The real reason the Tibetan leadership does not condemn self-immolations

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By: Steve Lee

A comment from an ex-CTA (Central Tibetan Administration) insider on a TibetSun.com article reveals a rather insidious agenda brewing right in the heart of the Tibetan leadership. To date, the CTA has failed to make statements that discourage or denounce the growing trend of self-immolations occurring in India and Tibet, within the Tibetan community. Since the Tibetan leadership has failed to denounce the self-immolations, it is clear through their silence that they condone this practice. Hence they are allowing and encouraging Tibetans to kill themselves in the name of the Tibetan cause. They even glorify Tibetans who self-immolate by holding memorial services, lighting candles, calling them martyrs of the Tibetan cause and erecting statues to commemorate past self-immolations. And beyond this, the Tibetan leaders have even used self-immolation stories and statistics as garnishing for their fundraising campaigns in the West. There is blood smeared all over the donations that they have received into their fat pockets.

Comment left on the ‘Is Indian citizenship for Tibetans a threat to the Tibetan cause?’ article on Tibetsun.com. Click on image to read the comment.

How can the Tibetan leaders allow their own people to kill themselves for the Tibetan cause when the leaders are not doing nearly enough to make a breakthrough for the Tibetan cause? All negotiations with the Chinese have reached a stalemate and there are no fresh attempts or even a change of strategy in dealing with the Chinese. In other words, the Tibetan leadership have been ineffective with their policies and dealings with the Chinese leaders and the self-immolations, a manifestation of the people’s frustrations, are actually proof of this.

Tibetan activist Jamphel Yeshi, 27, runs through the Delhi streets on fire in protest of Chinese policies in Tibet.

At the end of the day, the Tibetan leaders could do much more to engage with the Chinese leaders. What government or leadership in the world celebrates the self-immolation of its own citizens instead of taking steps to prevent it? It is not as though the Tibetan leadership lacks the mechanisms to discourage people from self-immolations. For example, the Tibetan leaders have proven themselves to be extremely adept at browbeating and segregating Dorje Shugden practitioners into giving up the practice. The same methods could be applied in a positive manner towards families and friends of those who self-immolate because that would help to prevent other cases of self-immolation from occurring in the future.

In the case of Dorje Shugden practitioners, they are denied basic services such as medical care in Tibetan hospitals, access to shops and facilities, and they are ostracized by the general Tibetan populace. These behaviors by ordinary Tibetans are instigated and perpetrated by the CTA who repeatedly talk about the so-called harmful nature of Shugden practitioners. But while these actions obviously have a negative impact on the lives of Shugden practitioners, the CTA could also use the very same methods for more positive impact on their community.

By warning Tibetans that these restrictions will be imposed on the families of those who self-immolate, the CTA could potentially end self-immolations in their community altogether. Families and friends of those considering taking their own life would have a greater impetus to pressure them out of this deadly act, thereby saving everyone from the pain, suffering, and death caused by such an action. And the self-immolators might think twice about engaging in an act that brings difficulties and limitations on their loved ones. After all, since the CTA are already known for imposing such restrictions on their people, why not use the methods for something positive and worthwhile instead of negative? This way they would be protecting their people for once, instead of harming them.

A memorial for Thupten Ngodrup was erected by the Tibetan Youth Congress (TYC) on the circumambulation path around the residence of the Dalai Lama in Dharamsala. He was the first man in modern times who self-immolated for the Tibetan cause in 1998.

Furthermore, self-immolations in Buddhism is considered an act of killing. The act of killing is widely considered to be grave negative karma for the individual committing the act. Unless the individual has a bodhisattva motivation like that of the Buddha in a previous life who offered himself up to a hungry tigress, the act of killing has the very serious repercussion of taking rebirth in the hell realms. Now, since the Tibetan leadership consider themselves to be Buddhist (or at least led by Buddhist principles), should they not abide by this very fundamental aspect of the teachings? Why would they condone and encourage others to take their own lives? Therefore, even though they call themselves Buddhist, ultimately this is merely an attractive label used to encourage foreigners to donate to the cause. In fact, after every case of self-immolation, the CTA are said to benefit financially through donations given by foreign countries and organizations who take pity on them, as expressed in Chokyi’s comment. This is not something to be taken lightly since Chokyi claims to have worked for the CTA for over 15 years, experiencing the blatant greed of the leadership as a firsthand witness.

A list of those who have self-immolated for the Tibetan cause since 1998. The CTA could have stopped this loss of life, but instead use their deaths to line their own pockets. Click to enlarge.

At the end of the day, the Tibetan leadership should apply the necessary means to end all self-immolations and that is to make headway with their negotiations with China. So far, the Tibetan leaders have only issued statements to put down China’s actions and this has got to stop. Just like a salesperson trying to sell its products to a potential customer, a sensible salesperson would not say things to criticize or insult the customer. They would instead praise or say things to make the customer feel happy in order to make a sale. Likewise, the Tibetan leadership should stop highlighting self-immolations and instead find common ground to talk about and encourage China to reopen negotiations. After all, China’s powerful influence is growing day by day, while the effectiveness and appeal of the CTA and the Tibetan leadership is waning fast.

And so the Tibetan leadership really have to do much more and quickly before it becomes too late. When His Holiness the Dalai Lama is no longer around, the Chinese leadership at that time will no longer need or want to negotiate because they will no longer find the Tibetan leadership to be a threat. As it is, the Chinese leadership already refuse dialogue with the Tibetans despite the Dalai Lama’s international standing, so what chance will the Tibetan leadership have to reopen dialogue once they no longer have the Dalai Lama’s reputation to rely on? So rather than using self-immolation as fodder against China, if the CTA had the real motive of benefiting their people, they would actually take measures to curb self-immolations within their own community rather than using them to line their own pockets with blood-stained money. But until that day comes, on the topic of self-immolations, sadly it is not a question of if the next one will happen but when, and this constant loss of life is certainly a most tragic situation for the already-dwindling community.

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  1. It is immoral to commit suicide especially so in Buddhism, as it is a form of killing. Yet the Tibetan authorities condone it and even praise such activities.

    Therefore is CTA really representing a Buddhist group in exile or is it just a vile group of people with the power to become rich from immoral and wrongful livelihood?

    The advice from Chokyi is so logical and sound and after 15 years working with the Kashag, he left and made something out of himself. In 15 years, Chokyi had seen enough evidence of corruption to leave his comfort of being employed by CTA and to venture out. I suppose his conscience called him to reality.

    Tibetans must no longer buy the lies from CTA and take over their own welfare and that of their future generations in their own hands.

    The opportunity is now to hold an Indian passport and escape the fate of forever dependant on CTA to take advantage of and be used without benefit to Tibetans in general.

  2. I wonder which government in the world that can think logically, with sit down and talk to a government in exile that encourage, promote and celebrate the self-immolations of her own people?

    First, encouraging and celebrating the self-immolations of your own people is falling into the same category of extremist groups which encouraging suicide bombing. You are more to be viewed or categorised as “extremist” or “fanaticist”. Which government would sit down and having dialogue with group of people like this?

    What Tibetan leaders are saying – to have dialogue with Beijing to solve the issue of Tibet, is totally contradicting to what they encourage their own people to resort to self-immolations to highlight the plight of Tibet and Tibetans.

    With that actions that contradicts each others, you are actually a party which any people or government will not have trust in.

  3. What boggles my mind is not what CTA did not do but why the Dalai Lama DID NOT ask, advise or plead Tibetans not to self immolate.

    It’s not about political sensitivity or China would twist the Dalai Lama’s words if the Dalai Lama spoke up on this issue but it’s about the Dalai Lama saying the right thing so no more lives will be lost fighting for the cause. And it’s a lost cause. Who cares what China would say? Whatever the Dalai Lama says, China would not agree – and vice versa.

    Let’s not talk about collective karma or individual karma of those who gave their lives because not all people believe and don’t subscribe to it. But people DO NOT hear the words of plea from the Dalai Lama to ask, advise or plead Tibetans to stop giving up their lives. And the Dalai Lama travels abroad and teaches love and compassion? I’m sorry, I don’t buy that anymore. China doesn’t care. Neither does any other country for no country’s government spoke out strongly or do anything about it.

  4. It’s really sad to see how a leader would allow their people to loose their life. Look at how tibetan leaders allow self-immolation and not even say a single word to stop but instead using it to get more sympathy money from the world is really sickening. This is one of the most cruel thing that happen in this modern day that everyone can witness.

    What I can’t understand is why HH the Dalai Lama also never say a single word to stop this. Why Dalai Lama can be so harsh on Dorje Shugden practitioner which never create any harm but why HH didn’t even try to say something to stop people to kill themselves?

    The world is watching the Tibetan leaders and more and more negative action revealed.

  5. The CTA is really pathetic! And to read the above makes it worse. To solicit donations in the name of those who self-immolated is really the worst I have heard of. Not to mention, erecting a monument for those who sacrificed. Perhaps they should look at the monument every day and remind themselves of the negative karma that they themselves collected from all the self-immolations. What kind of ‘government’ keeps quiet and take advantage of such things? I pity the family and friends of those who sacrificed themselves for nothing. What did they get? Nothing. Such precious human life wasted on a cause that will never happen because the CTA is not doing anything to improve their relationship with China.

    Tibetans, how would you feel if it was your family who took their life for nothing? There is no Tibetan cause. It’s just a lie from CTA to solicit more donations for themselves. Even if many of you don’t believe, observe now and demand explanations. How did they get to travel in luxury? How did they manage to be citizens of other countries while you are suffering in your refugee camp with nothing and also denied Indian citizenship application? Where did they get all those money for themselves and not for the Tibetans as a whole? You have the right to know what is going on for the sake of your own people. Now is the time to unite and stand for each other. Don’t let CTA bully you and make you think that you are not worth it. They are the ones that are not worth it.

  6. “The Tibetan leaders have even used self-immolation stories and statistics as garnishing for their fundraising campaigns in the West. There is blood smeared all over the donations that they have received into their fat pockets.”

    I am in tears, pain in my heart seeing 150 Tibetan Activists destroying their lives, scarifies for their country in the age of twenties, because they love their country so much, and someone told them, by immolation, you can free Tibet and everyone can go home. That’s how those young people being brain washed by their leaders in ISIS.

    HHDL can save these 150 people, but he didn’t. Instead of turning this immolation situation around, they encouraged them to do so because that’s CTA source of income from the world. every time when someone immolated himself, they went around the world with first class to collect millions of dollars back. Give the money to the victims? taking care of their families? Helping the poor? Naaaaa…. all kept into the leaders pockets so that they can enjoy a good life.

    Tibetan got to wake up already. After all these years, how come you do not see why your CTA always focus on doing things that harming? Since when did you see them do something that benefit the Tibetans? it’s time to get out.. stop being a fool.

  7. I do know that some of the Tibetan could have taken the so called ‘easy’ road by taking their own life, but it is action that does very little for the Tibetans. If the CTA does want to use such lives to bargain with the Chinese, at least the CTA should own up to it, that they are doing such a thing. I not saying am agreeing to the immolation, but if the CTA want to ‘profit’ from it at least have the courage to say they are supporting it.

    However the CTA just keep quiet on this matter, and try to earn more sympathy from the world community at large with every immolation. I agree with the article, the CTA could have sincerely approached the Chinese, and sincerely talk to the Chinese that there is something really wrong, thats why young tibetans are taking their own lives. yet the CTA remains unclear about the immolations, they choose to highlight what benefits them, and try to pressure the the Chinese.

  8. It is quite obvious the desperation of the people who immolated themselves. Worse is that they had placed their trust wrongly and believed in the lies of Sikyong Lobsang Sangay and his CTA cohorts. It is reminds me the era of WWII when the Japanese soldiers in loyalty would commit suicide in the name of their king. It is sad that coming from a country that held so sacred the teachings and practices of Buddha Shakyamuni to have its “Ministers” okay with suicide. Worse is the Nobel Peace Prize Holder and “Leader” of Tibetan Buddhism condones this travesty with his silence and inaction.

    As per the comment by Choyki, it does make a lot of sense that CTA “sells” suicide as their money generating programme and probably encouraged it with their “martyr” declaration of those who self-immolated. CTA sure received millions if not billions of sponsorship since their exile from sympathy but CTA should be warned that this solicitation will soon be ineffective as World Leaders turn their allegiance towards China.

    If CTA cared then they would have implement some laws against self-immolators and their families. After all, CTA had so much experiences with the illegal Ban against Lord Dorje Shugden where those who practices Dorje Shugden suffered so much until some had to give up the authentic practice just to live. And these practitioners ARE NOT doing anything wrong in peaceful practice. Whereas suicide is illegal in most civilised countries. The families of the self-immolators should also speak up against the karmically wrong death, unless they also wish for sympathy and monetary gains or they fear the consequences of speaking up. Something is terribly wrong when the value of life is not worth protecting given that CTA and their people are Buddhists. Why would CTA expect care when they are indifferent to their people? Now we see Karma arising with USA stopping their sponsorship and many countries turning away from them, even to barring the Dalai Lama from entering. If CTA don’t change, then the Tibetans in Exile should effect the change rather than just wait and see. 60 years without result is too long a wait….

  9. The message by Chokyi should serve as a wake-up call to the people of Tibet and mainly the populations of Tibetans in exile to see the true color of their questionable leader, Mr. Lobsang Sangay. It is apparent that this leadership is very busy trying to instill hatred and disharmony using Dorje Shugden as an issue to impair the already helpless Tibetan people. At the same time, could not care less when Tibetans burnt themselves to death. And as painful as it presents, each time an immolation happened, Mr. Lobsang Sangay and his team of the elite will fly first class abroad to seek donations. Using the life of naive Tibetan as the chip to get money to fatten their coffer is despicable!

    What does this say? Tibetan in exile is led by a cold, heartless and corrupted leader. How will this help the Tibetan people? It will not because nothing substantial or remotely positive had happened to Tibetans in exile under the leadership Mr. Lobsang Sangay. Instead, Tibetans in exile are slowly not being recognized by many nations. The significance of this population who rely solely on donations and hands out will sink into oblivion as soon as His Holiness is no longer around.

    Let’s have a look at the “Tibet” under the leadership Beijing, which is progressing economically as well as enjoying a greater degree of religious freedom. So, why would the world at large and people who live in Tibet want to continue fighting for a cause that brings no meaning since nothing was done about it for 60 years? Since the leaders themselves are not keen in fighting for the welfare of their people through real action, why would anyone else care?

  10. I think only CTA will ever dare to do such immoral and inhumane particularly to Tibetan people. Promoting self-immolation of their own people to get fund for the sick of surviving their organization, is pity in the sense of the organization BUT merciless to those who have risk their lives for the love of their country because of a lousy leadership. In this point, I definite think human right is the most important and prominent. We are talking about living being here. The work of CTA is really very, very, very ignorant and disappointing to Tibet. For sure they have to bare the caused they had done. Having such idiotic motives, won’t last in long run.

    On another hand, why does Dalai Lama never voice out on this tragedy? Why CTA could act violence on Dorje Shugden devotees and not taking action of self-immolation’s victim? CTA so cold hearted.

  11. All I can say that CTA is heartless. How can they see their own people self-immolate and not doing anything to stop them. What is CTA trying to proof to the world? This self-immolating action very disturbing to many people as they feel pity and pain for the person who self-immolate. Is CTA supporting this kind of act? The more self-immolation happens, CTA name is going to get from bad to worst. And worst still, they are going to stop getting funds from other countries. I wish them good luck in the decision making.

  12. I would say, there is no Tibetan cause! Come on…. everybody every country in the world know that it is impossible that China will let Tibet independent because of the ridiculous requirement that Dalai Lama asked from China decades ago. They (Tibetan) have been talking about China is inhuman, China chased Dalai Lama out of Tibet, why at first they didn’t ask, “what did Dalai Lama do that China chased him out?” So, to me, there is no Tibetan cause! It’s only a gimmick that CTA used to get money from the west! Shame at CTA, so called the “government” of Tibetan in exile, “Tibetan leadership” don’t even take care of their own people, but use them to get money, to fulfill their greed??
    And yes! The Dalai Lama, so called “King” of the Tibetan. Why don’t you stand up and say “hey, stop self immolation!” just like u shouted in your talk when u said those monk who practice Shugden should be chased out from Monastery? Why you could talk so loud about banning Dorje Shugden but you keep quiet on this??? Dalai Lama… Oh…. Dalai Lama…. you are known as the emanation of Chenrezig….. which make me wonder now, are u really??? The great compassion Chenrezig, keeping quiet seeing his own people kill them self just for the empty, forever unreachable Tibetan cause? Are u really Dalai Lama??? Sorry, I have to say this. But what the Dalai Lama did, his action, his reaction, doesn’t reflect that he’s an emanation of Chenrezig.
    Good luck? No more good luck to CTA. I would say good bye CTA!

  13. Couldn’t agree more with the writer. I am wondering why CTA and Dalai Lama hadn’t come out with a stronger statement (or did they really did any) to prevent more and more of their people self immolating. It will be just very easy for the Dalai Lama saying something like this to prevent more people getting harmed for a lost cause (sorry) instead of saying so much about Dorje Shugden. So is it fair for me to say Dalai Lama and CTA are now encouraging their people to kill.

  14. With no offend, I disagree about “self-immolation”. It is just a waste of life. This doesn’t mean I am not care about Tibetan Peoples. The sad reality is self immolations have no effect on either the Chinese Government or Western world who do not see self-immolation as a way to Free Tibet . My view is those who sacrificing themselves are not linked well enough to think and perceptions outside. If they are provided sufficient information, I think they will use their opportunity as a human to take challenge and to find a better ways for Free Tibet and help their own peoples to have less suffering.

    So , to me it is very bad that Tibetan leadership does not condemn self-immolations, A leader suppose to protect their peoples and how are you going to rely on governments who used self immolation as a political tools.
    anymore when self-immolation has been used as a politic tool,

  15. I never heard about other government at the world encourage their people self immolation except CTA. How could CTA and H.Holiness Dalai Lama keep silent watching their own people kill themselve and not do anything to fight for free tibet freedom cause and not make effect and find way to talk to China for independence. It make me more sad to know how CTA using self immolations as the campaingn in the west to received donation. All the donation has received by CTA obviously misusing by corruption

  16. It’s clear.. CTA do not care about Tibetans and taking advantages while they are sel-immolating.

    If they really care about Tibetan, they will stop them from hurting themselves and request them to participate in Tibetan cause in a better way. Let’s imagine if one of the self- immolator is Lobsang Sangay’s family member, will he keep quiet, just wait and see, and build a memorial in conjunction to show that he/she is a Tibet #hero.

  17. I ready can’t stand watching more self immolations by tibetan fight for free tibet cause yet the CTA and H.Holiness keep silent not stopping tibetan kill theselve. No other leader in the world allowing this silly action keep going on except CTA. If the truth what Chokyi has said. This is another evidence curruption by CTA using self immolations as campaingn in the west to received donation and not helping tibetan refugee in exile neither for tibet freedom cause. Tibetan in exile must woke up and see more clearly what they believe and not using by CTA as tool to solicit money. Human life is move precious

  18. It is a crime to not stop the self immolations as the government and everyone else should protect the Tibetan people. Yet they instead the CA does nothing but even let everyone know. And as it seems for the sake of money.

    According to Buddhas teachings, suicide is killing and there is nothing that justifies it. May the self immolations stop and the Tibetans find a home even if it is not what they wish for. But an independent Tibet after 60 years under China is not possible as I believe. What has not been done in 60 years will no be achieved anymore.

  19. It has been very clear on what is CTA motive all these while, they have no concern at all about their people, they have no intention at all to go back Tibet, they only use their people and their situation to play the victim card, to get more benefit and money from other countries, CTA has been corrupted since long long time ago.

    But I was surprised that why Dalai Lama did not say anything to stop self immolation, Dalai Lama is such a great person, he has promoted peace and compassion throughout his whole life, and now, it is their people going thru all sorts of suffering and in fact, killing themselves, this is very heavy karma, Dalai Lama has been discouraging killing, but he never stop his people from killing themselves. This has been my question marks for a long time.

  20. I sincerely hope that more ordinary Tibetans-in-exile will read Chokyi’s message and get into the act right now of safeguarding their own future, before it’s too late ;either get an Indian citizenship or citizenship of a foreign country immediately. It is sad to see innocent helpless Tibetans buying into the illusion of a free Tibet for them to go back to. It is an illusion because the Tibetan leadership is not taking any step to negotiate with the Chinese government.

    It is an illusion because the Tibetan leadership is allowing and condoning self-immolations as a way of deluding the Tibetans into thinking that the free Tibet cause is still much alive. In reality, these immolations are just serving to anger the Chinese Leadership even more against the Tibetans and their vain fight for freedom.

    Indeed the Tibetans currently living in Tibet appear generally to be much better off than the Tibetans in exile. What an irony.

    Self immolations must be stopped. Buddhists do not take their own lives as the karma for this is very heavy. Responsible measures must be taken to discourage and prevent more self-immolations, which are needless -just a sheer waste of lives which should have been invested in more constructive pursuits for their benefit and the benefit of others.

    It is time sponsors and donors to the Free Tibet cause see self-immolations in their true light and stop sponsoring or donating. When the Dalai Lama is advocating a Middle Way approach, why are there Tibetans self-immolating for the cause of Tibet’s Independence?

  21. See here a clear video of His Holiness the Dalai Lama asking the monasteries to expel monks that practice Dorje Shugden. Click here to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTgYWidYw3U

  22. Shame on you CTA! You glorified self-immolations for your own pocket. These immolators died in vain and suffer heavy retribution. 😠

  23. Hello everyone, specially to our CTA Taxi union president Lobsang Sangay and his beneficiary Kashag members and followers,
    I am Chokyi I worked in Exile government 15 years.

    When Lobsang Sangay fcame to Dharamsala leadership, I researched 2 years through what I have seen and what I listened from him personally. Lobsang Sangay have no personal skill and capability to solve the issues of Tibetans in India. He have only a paper degree from Harvard that’s called R….R….R, which means big talk in Tibetan. I feel so much pity on those uneducated Tibetans who set themselves on fire and burned their bodies. Each self-immolation brought a huge benefit to CTA financially. After every self-immolation Lobsang Sangay and his Kashag members have tour programs under the name of Tibetan political issues to introduce to western countries. Mostly, they travel first/business class. But, once they reached destination Lobsang Sangay asked donations to CTA. This is Sangay’s no 1 capability to ask donors in the name of self- immolation. So, I have known much better what Sangay real doing. That’s why I resigned from my post and living independently in US now. Here I humbly request to all ordinary Tibetan people in exile. Plz go to apply for western or Indian citizenship as soon as possible. This is only way how you and your children survive a better life. Don’t listen CTA leaders big talks. Becoz, when you don’t have money to pay your children’s school fees. CTA can’t help you. When your father got serious sickness CTA can’t help you. When your mother died CTA can’t help you. But, CTA will use you for donations in name of seeking help for Tibetans. That donations they will corrupt at the end. Therefore, do something for yourself. Don’t let others use you. This is real experience that I got from CTA in 15 years working from down to earth. Don’t waste your life in CTA’s misuses.

  24. If the Tibetan Leadership cares at all about the future of fellow Tibetans in exile, but most of all, if it cares to preserve the precious Tibetan culture,language and religion, then it would stop all this condoning and supporting of self-immolations(which is a waste of precious lives of Buddhists, for whom suicide or taking of one’s life – unless with Bodhicitta motivation – is a heavy negative action carrying very heavy negative karma ) . Instead of advancing the cause of Tibetan independence , self immolations serve only to aggravate the situation for Tibet and provoke China ‘s ire against Tibet and the cause of freedom of the Tibetans. HH the Dalai Lama has officially announced his endorsement of the Middle Way or Autonomy, so why is the Tibetan leadership encouraging self-immolations for Tibetan Independence?

    What is necessary NOW is for the Leadership in Exile to reopen negotiations with China without delay, for autonomy for Tibet. The Prime MInister Lobsang Sangay must show his true mettle and seek effective ways and means to resolve the future of Tibet for the sake of its culture, language and religion through negotiations with China. China is calling the shots.There is no doubt about it. It will be a great pity, if they – the Tibetan leadership – continue to support and condone the self-immolations, despite the immediate gains of donations from sponsors, to line their own pockets, in the wake of each immolation.Time is running out on the CTA. Once HH Dalai Lama is no more, and once, India decides not to extend its over 60 years of hospitality, there will b no leeway left.

  25. Very sad the only REAL leader the Tibetans produced in the last 60 years is Dalai Lama. Dalai Lama is 82 and how many more years can he ‘lead’ his people in exile and never getting his country back?

    Dalai Lama’s policy for Tibet in making friends with western powers and criticizing China is not working out. How do we know? It has been 60 years since Tibetans have been refugees and they still remain ‘refugees’ depending on handouts and free aid and free money. Pathetic.

    Losang Sangye is a big degree holder and his degree is not worth the paper it’s printed on. He can do nothing and has done nothing except become ‘close’ friend with Sharling Dhardon. Their ‘closeness’ is the talk of all Dharamsala. Everybody is talking about their ‘friendship’.

    Losang Sangye and any ‘leader’ will not have real power but simply the puppets of the all powerful god king Dalai Lama who is the real power behind the throne.

    Darling

  26. If it was not for Buddhism, no one would listen to the Dalai Lama!! The Dalai Lama gives the Kalacakra, gives self help speeches, sermons, prayers, rituals and wears the maroon dress to vast crowds. The maroon dress he wears is really a good marketing method although it is not meant to be. All these Buddhist events is what gathers the crowd to Dalai Lama. If you look at the Dalai Lama himself, besides being a smiley, shrewd and intelligent person, what does he have to attract people? Removing all from him that is Buddhist, what does the Dalai Lama have that is different than any other groups or deposed leaders that the world does not listen to. Dalai Lama owes all this to Buddhism. Therefore he should make harmony within the Buddhist community. How he is segregating certain sects with his rhetoric is dangerous. He is expelling people here clearly due to only a difference in religion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTgYWidYw3U&t=6s I was personally shocked to see this. I have met some Tibetan government leaders in Tokyo and privately they told me, they were also shocked that the Dalai Lama would say this and none of them dare advise him otherwise. They felt after Dalai Lama’s expulsion of people and in such a angry manner, it will not bode well in the future within Tibetan Buddhism which is the basis of his power. You can see in the video how angry the Dalai Lama seems to be. The Tibetan government persons in Japan also mentioned that the Dalai Lama listened to his oracle Nechung’s advice to ban this sect within Buddhism. Dalai Lama relies heavily on this Nechung god taking trance (oracle) for all his moves. Nechung is even summoned in the Dalai Lama’s private quarters to give prophecies:- http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x62ocw1

    It bewilders his followers why Dalai Lama relies so heavily on Nechung when he is suppose to be an avatar of a god Avalokita himself. Nechung is invited to most of his public events to do his dance and prophecies. Many Tibetans such as MP Tenpa Yarphel are not happy and speaking up finally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIP-vLuTnpw and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB_ISn6eY0Y&t=1688s . The over-reliance on Nechung demeans the Dalai Lama they feel and makes their government backwards. No modern governments consult gods and oracles for every move and if they do, they should not show this publicly. This is not a case of transparency but the Dalai Lama has not trained good advisers skilled in world politics by his side obviously to advise him and uses a god instead. Till now Nechung after 60 years has not proven correct. Nechung has not secured Tibet back. It was in fact in 2012 that Nechung told his monk Dorje Dalai Lama will go back to Tibet very soon, but it has not happened. Dorje is so ecstatic of this Nechung prophecy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIDZLzXIgW8 . The prophecy proved to be wrong again by Nechung unfortunately for Dorje and the rest of the hopefuls.

    Losang Sangay is too busy with Sharling Dhardon and this is well known among the Tibetans. Without the Dalai Lama backing him up or promoting him, he is nothing and no one will listen to him. That is why everyone in the ‘Tibetan government’ are careful not to offend or displease the Dalai Lama who is the real power behind the throne. If you displease the king, you will be removed from the limelight and that means no more access to money, perks and foreigners who will give you money. Losang Sangay has made zero progress with talks with China since he ‘took office’. Whatever office that is. This shows his priority is not the Tibetans inside and outside of Tibet but to fill his own pockets before the King passes. Basically milk the cow while he can. Sad but that is the situation.

    I posted this ‘pictograph’ here of Sharling and Lobsang floating on the internet when you google. Interesting. I guess the Tibetans are not happy with Lobsang Sangay and Sharling who is really outspoken to her own detriment!

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  27. Member of Parliament Tenpa Yarphel is a hero. He is speaking up for free speech and freedom of expression. He is exercising his rights, he is standing up for logical democracy which is the only way forward and not having to contact spirits like Nechung via oracles to make decisions that impact people’s lives. But look how people speak about him in the comments, so rude and nasty. It really represents the Dalai Lama badly as they are supporting Dalai Lama beings so rude: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if2dFMKIr_8

    They say we need to believe in Nechung and follow what he says. But in 2009 Nechung said the Dalai Lama would go back to Tibet and that everyone would be happy. A monk from Nechung Monastery is the one that told everyone about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIDZLzXIgW8. But Nechung was wrong. It has been eight years and this has not happened. The Dalai Lama did not return to Tibet. Nechung being consulted by Tibetan government in exile is backwards. No governments do this in the civilized world.

    When people like Tenpa Yarphel speak up and are real patriots of the Tibetan people, they are attacked by other people. In fact people even protest like this man who shaves his hair: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M30NL4hG8oA. People like these are actually protesting against Tenpa Yarphel’s democratic rights and freedom of speech. Tibetans by criticizing Tenpa Yarphel shows they are far from democracy. Besides many of the other Kagyu leaders such as Drigung Chetsang Rinpoche, Drukchen Rinpoche, Karmapa Thaye Dorje all did not say anything against Tenpa Yarphel that represents the Kagyus.

    Dalai Lama had said that is his minister of cabinet in the government. Even though it is clear that Nechung is unreliable and a spirit, the Dalai Lama continues to rely heavily on Nechung and other oracles who take trance of spirits. He invites Nechung to all his events and allow him to take trance in centre stage always. In fact the Dalai Lama even calls the oracles to his own private bedroom: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x62ocw1.

    These practices show how Tibetan government is run.

  28. The Dalai Lama is so old and he can pass anytime. Beijing is waiting for that. Beijing has full control of Tibet and nothing to fear. Dalai Lama and his government negotiates with Beijing or not does not matter. It’s a small matter in fact. Tibet will never have another King so powerful like Dalai Lama and so influential.

    Actually if Lobsang Sangye was smart, he would do his best to negotiate with China for a better deal for autonomy for Tibet while Dalai Lama is alive. With Dalai Lama alive, he will have more weight and backing. So why doesn’t Lobsang Sangye do so? The reason why Lobsang Sangye does not work hard to negotiate with China is because he does not care about the people. If the Dalai Lama dies, he is rich with big houses and he just moves on. He is in his position for the perks and wealth and US Passport which he has now. So why should he worry?

    😖

  29. Sharling Dhardon and Lobsang Sangay are always together. Very close. They launched the book against Dorje Shugden practice together. Together they can authorized the spending of thousands of US dollars for commissioning a book against Dorje Shugden to further isolate and segregate the Tibetans who continue with their faith in Dorje Shugden. They do this to please the Dalai Lama so their money-making posts will be secure. They only want money.

    After the launching of the book against Dorje Shugden practitioners, they went down to Delhi to be at an expensive hotel and delicious five star dinner to enjoy their victory together.😘

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  30. Sharling Dhardon is rich and carries expensive hand bags while her ‘refugee’ Tibetans sell sweaters on the hot Indian streets.

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  31. Tibetan parliament MP Ms Lhagyari Namgyal Drolkar attacks Chinese Dalai Lama student.

    Ms. Lhagyari Namgyal Dolkar who is an MP of the Tibetan ‘parliament’ in Dharamsala seems to like to make trouble. She was recently in Paris on an all-expense-paid luxury trip to have meetings against the Dalai Lama’s middle way. They stayed in nice hotels, enjoyed the cafes and went sight-seeing also. She and other independence (rangzen) activists gathered together to have a meeting on how to oppose the Dalai Lama’s middle way. If you are having a meeting on rangzen, then naturally you are opposing the Dalai Lama’s views. She is against the Dalai Lama as blatantly as it can get. She advocates full independence for Tibet which Professor Samdhong Rinpoche the former prime minister said is very dangerous. 🇨🇳Samdhong Rinpoche said clearly that Rangzen activists and supporters are the most dangerous people in Tibetan society. Because they go against what the Dalai Lama is asking the world to support which is autonomy of Tibet under China. Ms. Lhagyari Namgyal Dolkar is seen in these pictures in October 2017 in Dharamsala fighting violently with a female Chinese tourist from the USA. 😠This Chinese woman Ms. Wen Qi Zhu had just had audience with the Dalai Lama as you can see in the pictures. But when she left the audience after blessings she was affronted by a CTA member Ms. Lhagyari violently on the streets just below the Dalai Lama’s nose. A random video was taken of this event and in the video Ms. Wen Qi Zhu was saying she is also a student of the Dalai Lama. She has also contributed to the donations of the recent teachings by Dalai Lama to cover the expenditure.😡

    Ms. Lhagyari Namgyal Dolkar is an MP of the CTA and she should conduct herself with more decorum and good manners since she is representing the Dalai Lama’s government. Often they are violent. Of course Ms. Lhagyari Namgyal Dolkar has the democratic rights to post, protest and speak for Tibet in Dharamsala, but she should also be ready for opposition. Opposition even in Dharamsala must be tolerated as it is a democratic India. 👍Some may be shocked someone opposes Ms. Lhagyari’s views in Dharamsala the headquarters of the Dalai Lama, but that just shows you how arrogant some Tibetans may be thinking if you oppose their views, they can violently strike back. Democracy only works for Tibetans so they think and it should not work against them is their convoluted thinking. Many in the audience may not agree with Ms. Lhagyari Namygal Drolkar’s views on Tibet and as an elected official of the Tibetan government, she should be more courteous, polite and explain things well and not resort to a catfight with a paying tourist. After all she is the official and representative of the government. She should educate the masses and not violently fight with them. She should resign as obviously she is not fit for this job.👎 It is a disgrace and shame. After all the paying tourist Ms. Wen Qi Zhu has every right to protest back or speak against the view of Ms. Lhagyari Namgyal Drolkar, since India is democratic and allows freedom of speech which goes both ways.👍 Some Tibetans have to learn manners, being polite and accepting that the world is not going to agree with them on everything anymore. Tibetans have to accept their 60 years of playing up the refugee card while living well in India and immigrating all over the world will not gain sympathy anymore. The CTA or Tibetan government in exile have many policies that divide and segregate their own people on the basis of religion so now that they are getting some of their own karma back, why are they upset?🙏

    Here is an article on how Ms. Lhagyari Namgyal Dolkar went to Paris for a rangzen meeting against the Dalai Lama: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/tibetan-mp-juchen-konchok-and-friends-oppose-the-dalai-lamas-middle-way/

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  32. Ms. Lhagyari Namgyal Dolkar is an MP of the CTA and she should immediatly resign and give honor to the disonorable CTA or Central Tibetan Administration in Dharamsala. She is an elected official. She should not fight with the tourists and spectators. If she is going to post things about Tibet, she has accept there will be people who do not accept what she is posting and be ready for opposition but not using violence. If the spectator gets violent, then Ms. Lhagyari should immediately go to the police and run from the scene. The police station is very nearby. Do not stand around and have violent interaction with people walking by. It does not look good as an MP of the Tibetan government in exile under the Dalai Lama. MP Ms. Lhagyari Namgyal Dolkar is a disgrace and should resign.👎

    👎🙏☹️😣👎🙏

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  33. Dalai Lama does not want independence for Tibet and Rangzen-fighting Tibetans are going against the Dalai Lama. Rangzen-fighting Tibetans are hardcore separatists, most likely taking Chinese money to create schism.

    The attached Times of India article is very clear what the Dalai Lama wants. Rangzen Tibetans and activists are 100% against Dalai Lama and Tibetan nation.

    Times of India

  34. Dalai Lama does not want independence for Tibet but autonomy. All Rangzen-fighting Tibetans are going against the Dalai Lama. They are hardcore separatists and most likely taking Chinese money to create schism. See the attached Times of India article, it is very clear what the Dalai Lama wants. Rangzen Tibetans and activists are 100% against Dalai Lama and Tibetan nation.

    HHDLTimes

  35. You can see attached the comment on this Youtube video, Tibetans are really ungrateful, greedy and nasty. The Indians are angry and they have a right to be angry after hosting the Tibetans for 60 years. Yet instead of being grateful, the Tibetans lash back. Even calling the Indian students “COMMUNIST CHINA PAID DOGS” and other vulgarities. Very racist. Anything Tibetans don’t like, they call you a China spy or China money-eating agent. Even the Indian nationals now are berated as China dogs. No wonder Indians are protesting for Tibetans to go back! This is happening while the Dalai Lama is alive for after he passes, it will completely degenerate and the Indians will take action and expel the ungrateful refugees.

    YoutubeUngrateful

  36. Tibetans are being rejected by Indians now. Tibetans use India. Everyone can see clearly the Tibetans don’t respect India and are very racist. Indians are tired of this and want them out. Now big protests in the hundreds are happening in Arunachal Pradesh state of India demanding Tibetans go back to Tibet. The people there are tired of the Tibetans and do not welcome them anymore. After 60 years, why are the Tibetans still refugees? If they can go western country, they will go because India is NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE USERS. They put India down. They only stay in India if they cannot go to another country. They never get Indian citizenship because they want foreign citizenship. Shame. In India, they never pay taxes. They never join army to defend India. They never build hospitals, half way houses, orphanages or get money from foreign aid to help India. They never build anything for Indians and we have so many poor Indians in India. Look at the foreigner Mother Teresa how much she did for India and she did so much for Indians in Calcutta but Tibetans do nothing. Not a charitable race. Their Dalai Lama never set up orphanages, schools, soup kitchens for the poor or set up scholarship for Indians. He lived in India for 60 years and give nothing back but take and use Indian land. The Tibetans lived in India for 60 years but they contribute nothing to India. Only complain and Indians are now going to speak up. The SUMAA students said the protests against Tibetans are only beginning and there will be more.

    After 60 years in India, the Tibetans still call themselves refugees. They are not genuine refugees. Why? They call themselves refugees and not get Indian passport so their Tibetan ‘government’ in Dharamsala can continue to market them to western countries and Japan to give them money. To get free money. Tibetan leaders love free money. Tibetans have big houses, nice cars and can travel to other countries. The Dalai Lama temples in Dharamsala have gold idols and gold paintings and live in very high luxury. Tibetan leaders already get money in the US billions in aid and yet they never improve. The Tibetans always say they have no opportunities in India. Why they say that? Because they are saying they are too good for India.

    They say they want autonomy with China but they fly the Tibetan flag on Indian soil. If they want autonomy, they should fly the Chinese flag and show China government they are serious to sit and talk. They are always lying. They protest against China on Indian soil making problems between India and China. India is not responsible for Tibetans. Tibetans should not make China India’s enemy. Don’t be selfish. China is not India’s problem. Tibetans should solve the problems themselves.

    Tibetan leaders only want money, money and more free things. They always make segregation among their people due to regional differences and religion. Look how they supress the Dorje Shugden religion and their own Dorje Shugden Tibetans cannot join in their schools or Dalai Lama’s talks and ceremonies. They treat the Dorje Shugden people like the low castes in India. Their Tibetan people cannot stand up on their own become something because their leaders want everything for free. When they go to western countries, they lose their culture, religion and language and pay a heavy price. Their children become more like the adopted country’s culture and people. Their ‘government’ in Dharamsala block them from getting Indian citizenship so they can continue using their fake refugee status to get money from the west. When India is so generous to give them citizenship, their own Tibetan minister in Dharamsala block this.

    Now Indians had enough and want Tibetans to get out and go home!

    SUMAA students heavily protest Part 1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTyAvVQpn7g

    SUMAA students heavily protest Part 2
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_RmtPpfvNA

    Indians and Indian tribal people want Tibetans to go back to Tibet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaCQ7qvjEYQ

    Hundreds of Indians want Tibetans out of India. Protests are vowed to continue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=0oUTdHWxpkg

    Indian SUMAA leaders demanding state government to revoke refugee privileges for Tibetans
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnJozme8PCw

    And alternative videos:

    SUMAA students heavily protest
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRqCkcc4hfg

    Indians and Indian tribal people want Tibetans to go back to Tibet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdjuR-Y10NM

    Hundreds want Tibetans out of India. Protests are vowed to continue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTRbetGn4To

    Heavy protest in the hundreds by Indians for Tibetans to get out of India
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdjuR-Y10NM&t=34s

  37. Within the Tibetan communities in India, there is no free speech and how Tibetans insult each other and would even insult foreigners by calling them Chinese agents just because you speak up and this is suppose to silence you. All of this began with the Tibetan CTA. Nonetheless, there are a handful of Tibetans who had enough and they dare to speak the truth and in this case, Tenpa Yarphel speaks against Nechung and veiled statements about the Shugden ban – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuKOjcpLH8A
    And then there are people who would oppose his view by shaving his head. Very silly.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M30NL4hG8oA

  38. Real refugees vs. Tibetan ‘refugees’. Should India and other countries continue to help Tibetans, the most prosperous ‘refugees’ on earth?

    Refugees

  39. Chokyong Nechung is wrong! Nechung in this video said that Dalai Lama is going back to China and that was five years ago? What happened? Why are we even listening to him ever again. He always make mistakes. 😱

    🌎 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIDZLzXIgW8

  40. Let’s face it… there is NO REAL FREEDOM of SPEECH for us Tibetans living under the ruling of the CTA and Dalai Lama. The Tibetan communities in India all sufer this fate and we live in lies and deception of a FAKE DEMOCRACY.

    Just watch how Tibetans insult and backstab each other and would even dare insult people they do not know, calling them Chinese dogs/Chinese spies is the only thing they can say and the label they give you the moment you dare to speak up. This is done to shut you up and to indicate to other Tibetans to attack you because they make you sound like you are a traitor and this is how they get all to turn against you. This is how the Tibetan CTA deals with people they feel threatened. All because of power and position.

    However, there are a few brave Tibetans who basically had enough of their deception and begin to speak up, to tell the truth. A good example is Tenpa Yarphel who bravely stood up and talked about Nechung and the inconsistency and FAILED prophesies… also the ridiculous heavy reliance on him for everything. Where on earth do you ever see any government relying on “mystical Gods” to help them make state decisions? Even if they did, they would not dare tell anyone because this is 2017 not the medieval times. Just watch – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuKOjcpLH8A

    Then you have the small-minded, sheep like followers, shaving their hair – like WOW big deal, to protest against Tenpa Yarphel. Lololol
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M30NL4hG8oA

  41. Question to Tibetan exile government, Central Tibetan Administration – CTA: Hey this Geshe Dorje interprets Nechung’s prophecy saying the Dalai Lama will go back to Tibet five years ago, but look, Dalai Lama still cannot go back. Watch… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIDZLzXIgW8

    Not only that, there is still NO sign of even creating a good relationship for a chance to go back! So we are all stuck and still nowhere near going back to Tibet. So why on earth are we still listening to this spirit Nechung who always makes mistakes and give wrong prophecies? Nechung even killed the 13th Dalai Lama by giving him the wrong medicine. So WHY are we still listening to him for? Why are we Buddhist following what a spirit says? If we can follow Nechung spirit so why condemn Dogyal? This is weird and wrong!

  42. Lobsang Sangay at the Golden Jubilee Celebration of the Tibetan Settlement Office in Dharamsala: https://youtu.be/eInTi-E9na8

    Losang Sangay said recently (October, 2017) in Dharamsala that Tibetans have two enemies: the outer and inner enemy. The outer enemies are the Chinese government and Dorje Shugden people. The inner enemies are the people who speak against about our Tibetan affairs like regional differences and religious differences. (He didn’t say this directly but he means people like Tenpa Yarphel who spoke up in the Parliament) He said out of the two enemies, the worse one is the inner enemy.

    Now the Tibetans have started a new Facebook page specifically against Tenpa Yarphel. Tibetans are protesting against him: http://bit.ly/2ysowTH

    And there is a video of Tibetans with Tenpa Yarphel’s name on the paper against him and asking him to resign: http://bit.ly/2zAH2af

  43. His Holiness the Dalai Lama is a a dedicated advocate for the principles of democracy. In September this year, Tibetans in India celebrates the 57th anniversary of the establishment of the democratic path in the running of the Tibetan people’s political system. Sadly, it’s all lip service.

    Look at the recent incident of MP Tenpa Yarphel speaking up. Tenpa Yarphel has the right to speak and express his opinion, especially because he is a representative of the people, a Member of Parliament. He was criticized for issuing irresponsible statements, watch this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuKOjcpLH8A

    What is absurd is that there are even people protesting against his opinion, and shaving their hair in protest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M30NL4hG8oA

    Tenpa Yarphel was accused of being sectarian, but the reality is that because of Nechung’s advice, Dorje Shugden practitioners were segregated, discriminated and ostracized from the Tibetan community in general all around the world. This MP is tired of seeing the separation and finally found the courage to speak up for the unity of the Tibetan people in exile.

  44. Nechung oracle is not reliable. Many times in the past his predictions wrong.

    He didn’t help when british invaded tibet in 1904. he gave wrong medicine to 13th dalai lama which caused His holiness’s death. he said in the past Tibetans going back to Tibet. In 2009, this Geshe Dorje read out what Nechung oracle said. How many years passed, negotiation talk never resume after Lobsang Sangay become Sikyong.

    Why we still believe Nechung? Watch this short clip, see how confident this Geshe was explaining, but it never came true:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIDZLzXIgW8

  45. What is the CTA for a club? Going around pretending to be a democracy and only because of HH Dalai Lama they can make some foreign people believe it but it seems that karma is coming back.

    The CTA is suppressing their own people and having a good life with the money originally meant for the Tibetan people. On top, their elections are a farce!

    Listen here to Tenpa Yarphel who questions about the reliance of the Tibetan Government to Nechung, an oracle, which is understandable already but on top Nechung’s predictions seem to create more problems than anything else. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuKOjcpLH8A

    What happens to Tenpa Yarphel now that he speaks up? Tibetans have started a Facebook page against Tenpa Yarphel and protest against him: http://bit.ly/2ysowTH. They even ask Tenpa Yarphel to resign: http://bit.ly/2zAH2af

    So much for the “Democracy” in the Tibetan Government!!

  46. Unfortunately, the dream of Tibetan democracy is nothing but that. Look at this brave Tenpa Yarphel speaking up against the spirit Nechung (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuKOjcpLH8A). He brings up a good point, the Tibetans rely more on a spirit than they do on democratic principles and their own intelligence and care for their own people.

    But these Tibetans themselves are so enamored with the spirit that they protest against Tenpa Yarphel, lame protests, but protests nonetheless, like this man who cut off his hair (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M30NL4hG8oA). I really don’t understand how this is a protest, but each to their own I guess.

    Personally, I don’t really think much of the Tibetans who follow their lame government. I’ve seen first-hand just how much the average Tibetan suffers under their current leadership and this just goes to show that their government is ineffective and schismatic. But one thing about this whole situation is somewhat promising, there is a silver lining, and that is the point was raised by a Tibetan MP within their parliament. He wouldn’t have done so if other people in the Tibetan community did not feel the same way. It is time for Tibetan to free themselves of a superstitious, money-grabbing, self-serving, and impotent government.

  47. Tibetan government are useless, they rely on Nechung https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuKOjcpLH8A

    Any you know what, their supporters even cut their hair off because they don’t agree with MP. This guy funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M30NL4hG8oA

    What this going to change?

  48. The Tibetan government keep relying on Nechung for everything, though all his predictions and advice cause more damage than harm. Is it even wise to follow his advice, I mean he was wrong about His Holiness the Dalai Lama returning to Tibet in five years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIDZLzXIgW8

    That was in 2009, we are now in 2017, which was 8 years ago. Is his advice really trust worthy? I wonder why the Tibetan government even continue to listen to him. Perhaps they get something out of it?

  49. This ashrao posted this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIDZLzXIgW8

    What he said is true. I couldn’t believe it at first, because I never heard my parents or relatives tell much such things before. But when I asked my uncle who is a monk, he told me it is true. He said that Nechung gave bad advice and has continued to give bad advice. My uncle said that even many of the monks and high lamas don’t even believe in anything Nechung says. Better to say no rather than listening to his advice from now on. My parents were shocked. They used to go and see Nechung oracle when they were in India, but luckily I was able to move them to the USA. Now we better off. I can’t believe that the government still listen to the Nechung.

  50. It’s quite refreshing to have someone from the parliament speaking up and raising questions about the unjustness that’s been happening within its own “government”. Tenpa Yarphel is extremely brave to speak up like that, Tibetans HAVE TO WATCH IT! 👍

    1. Tibetan shaves off his hair in protest against MP Tenpa Yarphel 2017 Sept
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M30NL4hG8oA

    2. Tibetan Parliament member representing Kagyu School Ven. Tenpa Yarphel speaks against Nechung
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if2dFMKIr_8

    Then of course, we have some intelligent individuals such as Geshe Dorje himself, who just wants attention, talks big but does nothing else 🙄 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIDZLzXIgW8

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