Very Good Commentary by TK

Only Dorje Shugden CAN HANDLE SUCH A BURDEN! Why Shugden has to be the bad guy!

• May 14, 1995 – Tsangpa Oracle Prophesy I
Prophesy (kha.lung) through the Tsangpa Oracle requested by the Private Office of the Dalai Lama, Prophesies of the Tibetan Government Oracles, published by the Department of Religion and Culture of the Tibetan Administration of the Dalai Lama, Dharamsala, 1996, p. 13.

“It is important that Tibetans should observe their commitments (dam.tsig) which is their obligation. Particularly, the issue of Gyalchen [Dorje Shugden] is a bad omen. In this direction, we, the formless, are aware that it does not harbor good. This should definitely be stopped (mtshams.’jog) in the region of Tibet. With respect to the issue of the unity of religion and politics [of Tibet] and the Ganden Potang government in particular, Gyalchen [Dorje Shugden] cannot demonstrate even a grain of benefit. He can never bring happiness for Tibet [or Tibetan people?].

• June 14, 1995- Tsangpa Oracle Prophesy II
Prophesy (kha.lung) through the Tsangpa Oracle requested by the Cabinet of the exile government: Prophesies of the Tibetan Government Oracles, pp. 14-17.

“An important current issue is that if you continue to go through the motions of government service as if it were punishment instead of serving the Ganden Potang government with total loyalty it is possible that this may pose a serious threat to the well being of Gyalwa Tenzin Gyatso [the Dalai Lama]. A grave issue has arisen concerning the administration of the Ganden Potang. One thing that I, the Tsangpa Dhungthoed Chan, have to say about this explicitly is that [Tibetan] worship of deities has now reached a critical stage. It is extremely sad that Gyalchen [Dorje Shugden] the Chinese spirit is being worshiped.

Even though [Gyalchen] angers Gyalwa Tenzin Gyatso [the Dalai Lama], there are those who worship him [Dorje Shugden] and who revere him in secret. Not only are there such worshipers in Tibet, there is deep reverence for him even among government employees. This is very harmful. That he is of great harm has already been said by Dorje Dragden [Nechung].

In this regard there is a popular perception that there is acrimony between Dorje Dragden [Nechung] and Gyalchen [Dorje Shugden]. That can never be true. For the success of Buddhism and the Ganden Potang government, Dorje Dragden continues to extend to me complete support and since I too am to pursue this path completely, that if the Cabinet and the People’s Deputies [Assembly] do not strictly decide this issue and adhere to it, even though Buddhism may spread and even though the causes for the speedy freedom for Tibet may have begun [to grow], Gyalchen [Dorje Shugden] is sowing dissension [among Tibetans] by employing Chinese spirits and [furthermore] taking advantage of being a formless entity to vocalize and spread misinformation and thereby supporting China. This is a grave matter. Interesting to note here is that the Buddhists who rely on Dorje Shugden strongly favor Tibetan independence. Thus, it is difficult to reconcile that they would be working for the Chinese who are so adamantly against Tibetan independence. It is almost as if someone were trying on purpose to divide the Tibetan people along these lines, zeroing in on the deepest karmic weakness of the Ganden Potang government brought forward into the twentieth century. One has only to ask, in whose interest would such a division be?

We recommend rituals toward the well being of Gyalwa Rinpoche [the Dalai Lama]. Nevertheless, it is our serious concern that there needs to be strict adherence to the wishes of His Holiness and internal unity. Whether it be the People’s Deputies or an ordinary Tibetan, it is unacceptable for anyone to engage in partisan politics.

Of the honest guidelines stipulated by [His Holiness] in this regard, the most important is that regarding the worship of deities. If the common Tibetans and the government employees in particular do not heed those guidelines, there will be great loss for all.” When in 1995 someone claims that the seeds of freedom for Tibet are flourishing when the Chinese have vowed to wipe out even the name of the Dalai Lama from history seems a blatant contradiction. In fact, this sounds so absurd that one must conclude something else entirely must be going on here. I think it is that the demonization of the Dalai Lama by the Chinese which started in 1995 is passed right on to Dorje Shugden. Perhaps he is strong enough to carry such a heavy burden. Who is to say which would be a greater loss to the tradition of Buddhism, a Dalai Lama shouldering the blame for the loss of Tibet, no doubt unjustly, or Dorje Shugden and the split banning him has caused within Buddhism? All we know for certain is that the demonization of Dorje Shugden split the Tibetan community. It drive underground many genuine Buddhist practitioners and their practices, leaving in the larger public view mostly those who know how to play their political card correctly.

Another interesting point about this “prophesy” is the claim that acrimony between Nechung and Dorje Shugden is impossible. This is a statement from an ultimate and exclusively religious point of view also held by Buddhists who rely on Dorje Shugden. Clearly there is a danger to the Ganden Potang government of the Dalai Lama. The Chinese have been working hard to destroy it for the last fifty years. Blaming Dorje Shugden for the actions of the Chinese makes the issue a political one. Dorje Shugden is — even for the government protector through this oracle — a matter of politics. The issue the oracle points out it is about the [deposed] Tibetan government, that is, the institution of the Dalai Lama. It is political, especially when it concerns the Chinese.

In one trance ceremony of Tsering Chenga, the female oracle tells that Dorje Shugden
prevented her from raising the Tibetan flag on the Potala in Lhasa Some of the prophesies of these oracles are published by the exile government’s Department of Religion and Culture, 1996: gzung.bsten bod.skyong lha.srung rdo.rje bka’.lung // implying that Dorje Shugden works for the Chinese.

• 1995- Exorcism Rituals Against Dorje Shugden
The Dharamsala government Most government rituals are performed by Namgyal Monastery, special to the Dalai Lama and Tibetan government. In the course of the ban, other monasteries were also asked by the government to perform anti-Dorje Shugden rituals, often without the participating monks knowing specifically who had ordered them. performs massive exorcism rituals against Dorje Shugden. For some the Dalai Lama is present. See above reference, the Dalai Lama’s statement of March 21, 1996 It is said that for thirteen days after the Tibetan new year celebrated in spring 1996, the government did rituals against Dorje Shugden.

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Dear everyone,

This article above is very powerful. I will share my thoughts and comments on the article. It is what I have believed also for the last decade and a half, and it concurs with the prophesy from Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche in the late 70′s. Which is in the future, it may look like Dalai lama is at odds with Dorje Shugden, but in actuality they are helping eachother to make Buddha Dharma grow in the world.

  1. Dorje Shugden acts in the Bodhisattva manner accepting criticisms, hate campaigns and the ‘destruction’ of his practice. Why? Because it serves a bigger purpose for the overall survival of Buddhism in the world for the future. Why? It is easier to resurrect or do a Lazarus on Dorje Shugden in the future when the smoke clears, than it would be for the Dalai lama. The Dalai lama is a man and controlled by media, opinions, ppl, circumstances. But Dorje Shugden is a formless entity that can ‘rise’ above all of that very quickly when the time is right.
  2. Whenever Dorje Shugden takes trance in any of the oracles, he never criticizes the Dalai Lama and in fact tells the audience to always withhold criticism towards Dalai Lama. He can say nothing about the Dalai Lama and just keep quiet. Dorje Shugden is well known to not answer questions that has little meaning, insignificant, or unacceptable to the listener. When questions are presented to him through the oracle, he often skips through questions that should not be answered at this time or has no meaning.
  3. All the the destruction happening against him, he never makes comments, speaks against nor advices undharmic actions. Because it can all be fully reversed in a short time when the time is right.
  4. Temporarily Dorje Shugden will accept the name AS THE CAUSE FOR THE LOSS OF TIBET, OR THE CAUSE WHY TIBET CANNOT BE REGAINED BACK, but in the end truth will arise. Dorje Shugden will reveal the true plot which Trijang Rinpoche already hinted at in the late 70′s. ( I fold my hands to Trijang Rinpoche and prostrate my full body to Him. I offer my head as a stepping block for his feet. I truly have confidence in this great being.)
  5. Dorje Shugden is strong enough to carry such a burden. Dorje Shugden practitioners are resilient enough to not abandon his practice during this crisis. Both Dorje Shugden and his true followers will not abandon eachother no matter what is said and done temporarily at this time. Both can carry the burden. I personally do not dislike, hate the Dalai Lama but have confidence in him and my own sacred protector Dorje Shugden. I choose to believe and take refuge in Trijang Rinpoche’s prophecy. The other two options of hating Dalai lama and abandoning Dorje Shugden are not open to me nor would I choose any of the two options.
  6. Why would Dalai Lama act, talk and promote so many contradictory actions that makes himself look unstable. Unless it was on purpose. I believe that truly. He is not stupid.
  7. If Kache Marpo has ‘destroyed’ lamas/ppl/practitioners in the past for breaking the samaya or polluting the yellow hat teachings, then why is Samdhong Rinpoche, Kashag, Kalons, Ministers, Kunga Tara, and even the Dalai Lama himself are spared? Unless there is a much bigger soup brewing.
  8. Nechung is the one who requested Dulzin Drakpa Gyeltsen to arise as a uncommon Protector to protect Nagarjuna’s view as embodied within Lama Tsongkapa’s lineage only 350 years ago. Why would the same Nechung be talking the opposite. Unless there was a larger plan between Dorje Shugden, Dalai lama and Nechung. Seems like a hopeful fantasy? Well to many more, the idea of a dharma protector or Dorje Shugden themselves are fantasies made up by the Tibetan Lamas.
  9. If Dorje Shugden is so powerful (which he is), why doesn’t he do something to stop all this. Perhaps it is not time to ‘stop’ all this yet. In fact, Dorje Shugden is putting his followers through ‘hell and back’ (excuse me) and we have to just take it. Yes we will ‘take’ it. There has to be a much bigger game plan. Dorje Shugden takes the blame, Dalai lama works hard to make the Buddha Dharma grow while all the elite lamas and teachers are young.Those who take refuge in Dalai lama and Dorje Shugden will not give up on both. Strongholds for the growth of Buddhadharma and the ‘re-arisal’ of Dorje Shugden in the near future. If Dalai lama is so powerful (which he is), why doesn’t he just do a binding ritual or fire puja himself and rid the planet/samsara of this horrible demented being called Jamgon Gyelway Tensung Gyelpo Dorje Shugden. And then stop spending so much time, money, heartaches, energy, resources to keep going against Dorje Shugden???!!! Just get rid of him ONCE AND FOR ALL. THE END. Because the Dalai Lama cannot destroy a being who has actualized the complete path of Guhyasamaja in both completion/generation stages or in other words a Buddha. Dalai lama cannot destroy Buddha Dorje Shugden who is one with Guhyasamaja and the 32 deities of his mandala are the same 32 deities as in Guhyasamaja’s entourage.So for the bigger purpose, the Dalai Lama has TO PUT THE BLAME OF ALL THE ILLS OF TIBET’S MISFORTUNE ONTO DORJE SHUGDEN WHO IS STRONG ENOUGH TO SHOULDER THIS. Dorje Shugden plays the bad guy for now. If it is blamed onto the Dalai Lama, it would spoil his reputation to spread dharma on the global scale which is what he is doing now. Planting seeds of dharma on the global scale, ripe for the young lamas to take over later as well as Dorje Shugden. The ills of Tibet are not Dalai lama or Dorje Shugden’s fault, but the Tibetan ppls’ own fault. But for most of the world , karma is not accepted, so the blame would go to the leader which is the Dalai lama. We couldn’t afford that at this time when no one else can spread Buddhism like the Dalai lama. Think through this carefully to come to terms with the pain in your heart.I do not blame you for the pain. You are not at fault. You are part of a bigger plan. I’ve had many pains in my heart that I have come to terms with and some still working on because of this issue. We are all part of a bigger plan. Sounds cliche, but it is true and easier to get through the storm with this way of thinking.
  10. If Dalai lama loses his reputation because he is the ’cause’ for the loss of Tibet, then it would stain his reputation greatly and that would hinder to say the least, his promotion of the BuddhaDharma around the world. No lama of any tradition can match the skills, the persona, the knowledge, the title, and the charisma of Dalai lama to spread Buddhism so far and wide around the world.
  11. Why can’t the Tibetan Govt and various Monasteries destroy Dorje Shugden through binding rituals? Because they have tried and it shows the power of Dorje Shugden purposely. Hence to keep this power in mind, when later ppl will remember this power when they re-adopt Dorje Shugden’s practice later. To leave a mark in ppl’s minds that DORJE SHUGDEN CANNOT BE DEFEATED OR DESTROYED.
  12. Why is Trijang Rinpoche allowed to practice Dorje Shugden if it harms the cause of Tibet and brings danger to the Dalai lama’s life? Because it leaves a mark for the future, to bring up the point that Dorje Shugden does not hinder Tibet or Dalai Lama. These are small traces of hints left by the Dalai Lama for the SURVIVAL OF DORJE SHUGDEN. Someone has to take the blame. That is samsara.
  13. Why does Dorje Shugden himself ‘SIT ON THE FENCE?’ Meaning, he says on one hand to respect and follow what the Dalai Lama says, but on the other hand, he told the Shar Gaden Monks that if their motivation for opening Shar Gaden was for the growth and preservation of the lineage, then it will be auspicious in the future. Doesn’t that look contradictory. C’mon, which one is it Dorje Shugden? Clear it for us. So if we were to follow what the Dalai Lama says, why open Shar Gaden and Serpom Monastery? If we were to follow what Dorje Shugden says, then why be on this forum as he says to respect the Dalai lama always.

Should we open Shar Gaden which ‘opposes’ the Dalai Lama or should we listen to the Dalai lama and abandon Dorje Shugden’s practice? Even the great Dorje Shugden sounds contradictory.

Why does Dorje Shugden continuously take trance and give advice even to those who do not give their allegiance up to Dalai lama while practicing Dorje Shugden at the same time? Doesn’t that damage the samaya of the individual with Dorje Shugden or with the lama who initiated them into Dorje Shugden’s practice? Whichever way you look at it, you damage the samaya with your guru or protector.

Zong Rinpoche (previous), Dagom Rinpoche, Yongyal Rinpoche,Geshe Tendar, current Trijang Rinpoche, current Zong Rinpoche, Geshe Rabten, current Pabongka, Gonsar Rinpoche, the oracle monks, Gangchen Rinpoche, Lama Yeshe, Geshe Tsultrim Gyeltsen, etc etc all took teachings from the 14th Dalai Lama, let’s not forget, at once time or another. So if we have taken teachings from the above lamas, then 14th Dalai lama is also our lineage lama which we must respect. Logical?

Since we say the Dalai lama must respect our lineage lamas such as Pabongka, then we must also reverse the situation and respect the Dalai lama as our lineage lama. So either way, the system is set up for you to ‘lose’. If that is the case, there must be a MUCH BIGGER PICTURE that current infractions with our lineage lamas can be repaired later FOR THE BIGGER PICTURE.

After all with or without the Dalai Lama/Dorje Shugden current state affairs, we were doing a great job collecting negative karma, breaking commitments, and generally creating the causes for our personal samsaras to remain intact and strong on our own.

It is not the Dalai lama or Dorje Shugden to blame. Nor are they adding to it. We were in Samsara before the Dalai lama’s name and Shugden even ‘existed’ as we know them today.

Yes the Dalai lama does look like he contradicts himelf always. But so does Dorje Shugden. This AGAIN LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THEY ARE COOKING UP SOMETHING MUCH BIGGER OR IT’S NEARLY COOKED.

Yes, it is nearly cooked.

It is best to have respect for the Dalai lama and keep our practices towards Dorje Shugden steady. Whatever the case, if we go to Dalai lama’s camp or we go to Dorje Shugden’s camp, we go against lineage lamas. So best is to keep an equilibrium by thinking things out logically, following the law of cause and effect, engage in our practices to develop attainments within our continuum. With the great attainment we win freedom totally and no disprespect intended, but we won’t need Dalai Lama, Buddha, Dorje Shugden or anyone. And that is their original intention.

I have stated my thoughts at this time and I SINCERLEY HOPE THIS WILL BRING PEACE/UNDERSTANDING TO THE MANY PRACTITONERS THAT VISIT THIS GREAT WEBSITE. With my thoughts, I wish to offend no one, or be right. It is just my attempt to think and reason things out at this time when no many other options are available. Again, I will NEVER GIVE UP MY DORJE SHUGDEN COMMITMENTS AND TO THE LAMAS WHO GAVE ME THE PRACTICES. Nor will I demean and hate His Holiness the Dalai Lama. I will not hate those against Dorje Shugden and forgive them.

Much success to all,


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  1. Could you please elaborate on the prophesy from Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche in the late 70’s, which you mentioned in this post, for the benefit of all readers?

  2. In this case we must each continue our roles, whatever they might be, our karma carries us forth as a leaf carried by the stream.

  3. I do not agree with any theory that justifies the Dalai Lama’s entirely wrong actions as being some kind of divine plot to bring Dharma to the world. There are variations on this theory, that I regret deeply because it goes directly against Lord Buddha and all Buddhas of the three times, whose main, first and foremost enlightened action is to teach beings what is to be done, what is to be abandoned.
    With this theory we are now saying to the world: do not follow the advice of Lord Buddha.
    With this theory the whole of the discipline, the root of the Buddha’s teachings, gets discarded, or worse, distorted. The world now can pick and choose and morality becomes a wreckage. What a sad result.

    I understand the need that Tibetans experience to cling to their Dalai Lama,the icon of their land, so even if I do not accept this theory, I understand the patriotic and psychological need for it. I am deeply sorry for everything that Tibetans had to go through. And I respect the hopes expressed by TK through this theory that was also expressed at the inception of this website.

    But I cannot go against Dharma.

    People seem to think that the big bad thing here is the ban against a Deity.
    But our Deity does not have to fear a ban, our beloved holy Protector Dorje Shugden is Lord Mañjushri himself in one of his wrathful forms, so what is it for him to fear? The practitioners have to endure persecution but in the secret of their minds or in the open they continue with the practice. The mother of all wrongs here is what the Dalai Lama did to his Lama. This is the tragedy. And of course, years later, that he forced a schism in the Sangha. This is also tragic. A Dharma tragedy. Now, to take these terrible actions and show them to the world as being excellent deeds done for a higher purpose … this brings a greater wreckage of Dharma than the ban itself in a way.

    I don’t have my holy Guru in this world right now, but he lived enough years for me to know and remember that he never once uttered the slightest justification for the Dalai Lama’s actions. He did remain silent, that, yes. Like the Protector. Like his own Guru the sacred Lama of us all, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche. Of course they remained silent … all of them were Kadampas, they were not going to defend themselves now, were they? But justification? He never justified in the slightest way. And he was so close to his own Guru that he would have informed us about any “higher purpose”. It is impossible for him not to have alerted us about that, he would have done it our of respect for his own Guru. But he didn’t. So I’m pretty confident that there was not any superior plot arranged by Kyabje Rinpoche and the DL to produce this catastrophe. My Lama would have known about it and he would have alerted us. And he didn’t.

    Apparently both Zong Rinpoche and Dagom Rinpoche, each with different words, gave –not a justification– an explanation of all the DL’s actions related to this issue. And their explanation was that the Dalai Lama is not in good health.

    I prefer to leave it at that. And I certainly don’t hate the Dalai Lama, on the contrary, I’ve always loved him very much.

    Now I would like very much that we stop talking about him and the ban, except to defend innocent people when they are attacked.

    But I fear that this wish of mine is not going to be fulfilled because Tibetans have an attachment to the Dalai Lama that has little to do with Dharma and a lot to do with the love of Tibet. I have read the sayings of a bold Tibetan: “We don’t care about Dharma, we care about the Dalai Lama”.

    In my unimportant opinion, this patriotic love is the origin of this theories about superior aims to justify the destruction of Dharma.

  4. shugden is a black magic evil spirit. I remember having an image of Tsangpa Karpo in my room and among the deities of that thangka, was shugden.
    When i was sitting in front of that thangkha, i felt like I wanted blood…i did not know why…i just wanted blood. i was laughing strangely and saying ”the doors of Hell will open”…very strange feelings i had back then. everytime i look at his images, a connection between my mind and his is established and i receive answers to my daily problems…very weird…One more thing, Kache Marpo, Namkar Barzin and the others I suppose they are only small masks for shugden; he is behind all of them. Very strange feelings i have when i look at his image. a very deep hatred i feel. just hatred. not oriented towards something as far as i remember…just hatred. fear dissappears in an instant. every time i say his name, something bad has to happen, allmost all the time…which is weird also because they say he is a Divine being. obviously he is not. he has practices and mantras…just like Pehar Gyalpo before Padmasambhava, in Tibet, Mongolia and Persia. Pehar Gyalpo was a black magic demon who had practices and mantras, black mantras, to harm. shugden is a demon king, a Gyalpo…a very dangerous being. just keep the distance. beware of what him and those like him do.

  5. if you cannot get read of him, then go to a Orthodox Church and talk to a bishop or someone there, i suggest a bishop or Archybishop and get prayers and especially an image with Lord Hrist and Mother Mary and the Book of Psalms. That will be great.
    The Akathist of the Holy Spirit will be great, the prayer of Saint Gherasimos of Kefalonia will be great, the prayer of Saint Cyprianos will be great, the Akathist of the Holy Trinity will also be wonderfull. Also, Heart Prayer of Hrist: Lord Jesus Hrist, Son and Word of God, have mercy on me. Wonderful.

  6. allmost everytime i talk about this being, or recite his name, an inhuman voice, thick, quite loud is speaking somewhere around, either outside or inside the building where i am living and terrifies with it’s energy…

  7. Yoshiaki is having high temperature…..

  8. The Tsangpa Oracle died in 2003 and none of his four sons have become the new Oracle. This is a family lineage and the Tsangpa Deity has not found any of the sons worthy enough to be the new Oracle. I wonder if King Dorje Shugden and the Tsangpa have stopped the possession of the new Oracle. It would appear to me that the previous Tsangpa Oracle had been corrupted by the Dalai Lama and faked going into trance. Did he provide false statements for some kind of gain from the CTA. It was not an uncommon practice for Oracles to go into a false trance and make false statements in return for favors. I believe that the Tsangpa Deity has turned his back on this family. I Dalai Lama needs this Oracle to continue his lies about King Dorje Shugden.

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.…Instead of turning away people who practise Dorje Shugden, we should be kind to them. Give them logic and wisdom without fear, then in time they give up the ‘wrong’ practice. Actually Shugden practitioners are not doing anything wrong. But hypothetically, if they are, wouldn’t it be more Buddhistic to be accepting? So those who have views against Dorje Shugden should contemplate this. Those practicing Dorje Shugden should forbear with extreme patience, fortitude and keep your commitments. The time will come as predicted that Dorje Shugden’s practice and it’s terrific quick benefits will be embraced by the world and it will be a practice of many beings.

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