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  1. In the video Dalai Lama looks very angry when he says his gurus are wrong.
    It’s like his gurus knowledge and investigations cannot match his own. That is strange. All the hundreds and thousands of gurus and monks who practiced Shugden for 300 years are all wrong. Even the previous 10th Panchen Rinpoche is wrong who practices Ds strongly? Everyone is wrong and only the Dalai Lama is right? Does that make sense to anyone?

  2. The so called leadership or CTA or Exiled Tibetan Government in Dharamsala are so violent. They can attack an old monk like Chonze. What is his crime? So unjust. Amazing brutality. They ask everyone to attend Dalai Lama’s dharma talks for what? To listen to more propaganda against Dorje Shugden? We want dharma not reasons for religious suppression. Why does CTA continue this? Why do they keep repeating the Dorje Shugden issue at every opportunity? It must be to incite the Tibetan public to take action against Shugden people. The CTA wants to remain clean and act innocent, but they are inciting and provoking the Tibetan masses to take violent action against Shugden people. Why is this allowed. Why does the Dalai Lama allow this?

    This must be reported to human rights in the United Nations. I will pursue this and send letters out to the United Nations Human Rights and religious department. I will gather some friends and start within two weeks already.

    The CTA has no limits to the damage they do to their own people. No wonder they lost their country and will never get it back. The CTA will get their karma back. All the damage they have done will return upon them full force shortly.

  3. Same old ,same old ……….everybody else wrong,Dalai Lama right.Slandering all Dorje Shudgen practitioners as ‘rough’,I see.How sad and pathetic to all be blamed for an unsolved heinous murder.It is the Dalai Lama himself who is causing so much suffering on this issue.

  4. In Tibetan Buddhism, Guru Devotion and Clean Guru Samaya is the most important part of the practices. As a High Lama HHDL mention clearly His Guru is wrong but there is some Tears at His eyes, we really need to Contemplate Deeply. Hence all the lineage High Lama that practice Dorje Shugden all wrong?? How can it be??

    CTA please stop all the violence against innocents Shugden practitioners, all proofs are listed above in DorjeShugden.com . Please use ur time wisely to find the proofs to support ur comments or study back the proofs in DorjeShugden.com but Not Create Violence again!!!

  5. The stakes have never been higher. The Dalai Lama sees exiled Tibetans becoming increasingly vocal with regards his stance on Shugden with new pro-Shugden websites and Youtube channels over the past year; the exiled Tibetan youth have become more nationalistic, and while in the past “big bad Dorje Shugden” may have taking their minds off the “Free Tibet” debate one would hope they won’t be fooled so easily again; and there are some excellent books around that expose various chinks in the Dalai Lama armour including the most recent: The False Dalai Lama.
    At the end of the day, the CTA will only do what the Dalai Lama and his family tell them to. To suggest that the Dalai Lama has given up politics would be very naive.
    Keep promoting Dorje Shugden, keep exposing the lies behind the ban, karma will change and Dorje Shugden will gain greater power, for all our sakes.

  6. @Shugden Library

    Totally agree I have noticed also and noticed the increased qty of vocal questioning online…which is great compared to where things were many years ago?

    Awareness IMHO can only bring an Awakening of many minds on all Issues…whether they are freedom of religion, human rights, rights of democracy, rights to access of health, education, freedom of movement for all citizens…All those things swept under the carpet in this debate.

    I wonder if the Question? How did we get here? becomes so big and loud from all quarters of Tibetan Society and also the World Community to make transparency and accountability part of the equation.

    If it is good for China and Russia big players on the world stage and also countries like Iran and Syria surely it is culpable that CTA/ Free Tibet should also be made to account also…for the many years of financial support and protection / safety of citizens in countries around the world?

    How many other people are refugees from War without a safe haven to call home even in the refugee camps they live in? Millions…more than Tibetan In Exiles…Food for Thought.

    Create the causes to Free Tibet not more Negative Karma to marginalise / oppress your own Citizens.

    Thank you again Admin


  7. Oh what a charade and its so clear that the Dalai Lama’s hand is behind this sham. As the article highlighted, it has been so many years since the ban began. So why is there still a need for the Dalai Lama to justify it still unless there are serious rumblings at ground level that signals to the Dalai Lama that all is not well with his rule. So much untruth in the Dalai Lama’s speech but the bit towards the end where the Dalai Lama quite openly tried to set the Tibetan people against Shugden worshippers by insinuating that they are Chinese friends, is dimly unforgivable.

    If there is one act that should be seen as treason, then it must surely be the Dalai Lama’s selection of a Chinese trained and sponsored Karmapa over the Shamarpa’s candidate. Amazing how the Dalai Lama got away with that one while accusing innocent people to be Chinese spies and sympathisers.

    For the Dalai Lama and those involved in this ruse, they must really think that all Tibetans are stupid. Clearly not by the looking of things, especially the way the new anti-DS books found their way to be amongst the rubbish pile.

    I used to think that the Dalai Lama had a good and noble reason for ordering the ban. I am not so sure now.

  8. Most of the newbie like to follow whatever Dalai Lama said. This is just ensure never goes wrong. After reading the above article, I have different point of view. Sometimes the genius can be wrong also. We should not follow blindly and simply abandon our practice taught by our guru. We should not waste our precious human life, the more we should be prudent in our choice. Whether the ban on Dorje Shudgen is enforced or not should not be an issue to us. You and me always can make our choice. Why must we bother what they said?

  9. Even Avalokiteshvara is a fully enlightened being he has his Spiritual Guide (Amitabha) on his crown out of respect.

    How is possible that some people still consider the Dalai Lama and emanation of Avalokiteshvara?

    It contradicts logical reasoning

  10. The dirty deed in its illogic attempt of rewriting an authentic lineage absolutely did not garner much support from the monks and the assembly. Hence, the rewritten garbage ended up as rubbish littering the compound at the end of the talk. This strongly indicates the sentiments of the assembly of sanghas. They are unreluctantly dominated by a strong dictatorship to become anti-Shugden by no choice of their own. As it is apparent, most of the sanghas are undercover Shugden practitioners. Externally they have to put up with an appearance of supporting the ban but internally they are quietly practising Shugden. The Dalai Lama and the CTA are certainly fooled by external appearance! What a waste of money and time invested in this dirty deed.

  11. In the world today, who benefits more? HH Dalai Lama or Dorje Shugden? Who has more impact with the general population? Who has the greater ability to spread the Dharma?

    You can say Dorje Shugden benefits in mystical ways as a Dharma Protector, but who really has the power to plant the seed of Dharma in people?

    And what does Dorje Shugden protect? The Gelug lineage? More people have heard of Tibetan Buddhism, the Gelug lineage, Trijang Rinpoche, Pabongkha Rinpoche and even Dorje Shugden himself through the HH Dalai Lama.

    You all may be against HH Dalai Lama, but don’t forget he is the actual person that people can see and hear who helped establish Tibetan Buddhism in exile and throughout the world. It would be best if you all remembered his kindness.

  12. One of the part i find it very amazing is that if you notice the Nobel Prize winner said he only brief saw the Table of Contents of this book as a Nobel Prize winner or as a normal Nobel Prize winner would you simply launched or endorsed a book without even know the details of a book? I won’t do that…

  13. In answer to “two truths”. I would say, that in the long term, certainly Dorje Shugden is more beneficial. By the Dalai Lama’s actions he has done nothing to promote the pure teachings of Buddha, indeed he has publicly stated that Buddha was wrong, and now promotes science ahead of Dharma (Buddha’s teachings). By his actions the Gelug tradition is in disarray, the Kagyu are divided, and he promotes Bon, an ancient tradition of black magic and occult doctrine.
    Dorje Shugden is a Buddha, the wrathful aspect of Buddha Manjushri, the Dalai Lama is only a man deluded by a lust for power.

  14. I agree with library. Buddhas are very skilled in helping people. They would never cause the suffering that the Dalai lama has brought to spread Buddhism becouse the ban couse people to doubt about Buddhism it destroys Buddhist reputation. Buddhas would never act like this. They are far more skilled. They do not need to cause suffering to bring benefit. Even if the Dalai lama had this motivation for the ban I do not think so he would be showing that is just an ordinary being with no wisdom.

  15. This is interesting, HH the Dalai Lama will be giving the following public talk soon:

    Public Talk in Los Angeles, California, USA on February 25: His Holiness will give a public talk on Non-Violence and the Effects of Compassion in the 21st Century in the afternoon at Staples Center organized by The Lourdes Foundation.

  16. CTA made Gaden Shartse Abot and senior sanghas who conspired in the publishing of the anti-Shugden dharma text absolute fools. Gaden Shartse Abot prefers to remain politically correct and be CTA’s puppet by manipulating and twisting a true authentic history and lineage of Dorje Shugden. This is an acute attack on his scholarly logic which Gaden Monastery is world renown. What a shame Gaden Monastery is down-graded through his act and leadership. This is certainly the first ever happening in the history of Gaden.

  17. @two truths

    Yes, the Dalai Lama did spread Buddhism globally and benefitted many people but he could have done it without slandering his gurus. By doing so he slandered his own lineage, by doing so he started his own lineage, and by doing so he is telling everyone that it is okay to say your gurus are wrong and to do actions that may create harm to your gurus.

    I thought Buddhism is the Middle Way without extremism, without politics leading to fights and harm. I thought Buddhism teaches tolerance, compassion, giving, loving kindness, forgiving, patience, gratitude and so on. What the Dalai Lama is doing with the ban on Dorje Shugden is going against all these.

    Then, is the Dalai Lama wrong? Yes, the Dalai Lama is wrong.

  18. Yes, the Dalai Lama is wrong and the king is naked!

  19. I am watching this video with a mind of love & what I see is he is projecting his own insecurities about if HE is authentic onto a deity. His starting point was a divination. He talks about lineages of births of Tulkus being broken at the point where the incorrect child is identified. This was his starting point from which all the other reasonings developed it is at 17 min 44 seconds what the 5th dalai lama said about wrong recognition. I know if I was incorrectly recognised myself this text would become very important to me. I believe thats why he became fixated on this text by the 5th dalai lama

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Contemplate This

.…Instead of turning away people who practise Dorje Shugden, we should be kind to them. Give them logic and wisdom without fear, then in time they give up the ‘wrong’ practice. Actually Shugden practitioners are not doing anything wrong. But hypothetically, if they are, wouldn’t it be more Buddhistic to be accepting? So those who have views against Dorje Shugden should contemplate this. Those practicing Dorje Shugden should forbear with extreme patience, fortitude and keep your commitments. The time will come as predicted that Dorje Shugden’s practice and it’s terrific quick benefits will be embraced by the world and it will be a practice of many beings.

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