Shartse’s Abbot sees Trijang Rinpoche: The Conclusion

By: Kay Beswick

Background: H.H. the Dalai Lama instructed the Abbot of Gaden Shartse Monastery (Shartse Khenpo) to make a trip to the USA to seek audience with Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche’s current incarnation (Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche). The aim of the visit was to request Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche to return to Gaden for a visit and to attend the December 2013 teachings by the Dalai Lama in Sera Monastery. Initially Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche declined to meet with the abbot but in his compassion, he eventually allowed the audience. The Shartse Khenpo thus met with Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche in Trijang Rinpoche’s centre in Vermont, USA.

DorjeShugden.com reported the visit recently, but Shartse’s Abbot wrote on his Facebook on Nov 5th, 2013, claiming a different story.

 


Ganden Shartse Khenpo (Abbot) Jangchup Choden’s Statement:

Dear Melisa Sands and Kay Beswick,

I hope you are in great health. I send you wishes for prosperity and happiness.

Please note I am sending this clarification reply to you on your baseless reports published on September 26, 2013 Abbots Urgently Sent to the USA and November 2, 2013 UPDATE: Abbots Urgently Sent to the USA.

I think this is right time to clear the misleading information to enlighten public. Please don’t mislead public by writing baseless reports. At least try to spend little more time to find authentic information before reporting it to public.

Thanks for adding up final paragraph on November 23 report. I am happy to read that paragraph of your report on me as great blessings from you.

    1. I and my colleagues at Gaden were concerned about the gap between His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche. That motivated us to take this initiative to bridge the gap but alas.
    2. I was never ordered or appointed by Kuger Yigtsang or anyone to request Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche to return to participate any program, anywhere. I personally and as an abbot of Gaden Monastery took initiatives to meet Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche to talk to him. In great kindness Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche gave me plenty of time to talk and be with him. Please note, Kuger Yigtsang never delegated or appointed me to reach Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche.
    3. On meeting Trijang Rinpoche I requested him to re-consider his stand on Shugden issue for various important reasons. Though he didn’t say yes or no to my request, but he didn’t told me “Gaden monastery has ‘forgotten’ about him”.
    4. How and why some people left Gaden Monastery and Gaden Shartse in 2008 is well-known fact. No one can change the truth by twisting the story after five years. It is very simple. Some people chose to abandon the monastery for personal interest and benefit and the monastery failed to stop them from doing that.
    5. Since, I travelled to meet Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche to Vermont, USA on personal initiative and as abbot of Gaden with messages from Gaden Shartse Monastery and Gaden Lachi, why should I relay any reply to those messages to Kuger Yigtsang. This is just an insane comment from the reporter. I have no knowledge about what email Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche want to send to His Holiness the Dalai Lama and CTA in Dharamsala.
    6. What is curious about letter being written on the letterhead of Gaden Lachi and Gaden Shartse Monastery? As a senior abbot of Gaden, I represent Gaden Lachi and as abbot of Gaden Shartse Monastery I represent Gaden Shartse Monastery. Messages of these two organizations definitely comes on their letterhead. Why should it come on the stationary of the Kuger Yigtsang? His Holiness the Dalai Lama don’t need to request Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche to return to some where. His Holiness has achieved unimaginably great achievements through his own efforts. If some one returns or not, won’t make any difference to him. Please don’t try to mislead people by writing baseless comments.
    7. We felt it is really important to revive relationship between Kyabje Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche and His Holiness the Dalai Lama. The holy relationship between these two historic figures are buildup for many lifetimes and we believe it is not good to let it break now. Therefore, I and my colleagues felt it is good to try to have presence of Kyabje Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche in upcoming teachings of His Holiness the Dalai Lama in Sera Monastery. Thus we planned it solely in our own initiative. To His Holiness the Dalai Lama, if Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche attends these upcoming teachings in Sera or not won’t make any difference at all. Most important issue for me and my colleagues are to restore relationship between two holy man. But it is really a great disappointment to see some people doing everything possible to stop or topple our efforts.

Gaden Shartse Khenpo (Topanga, California, USA)


 

The statement is a clear indication that the Abbot failed to follow Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche’s instruction to him; that is, for the Abbot to accurately relay Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche’s response to the Dalai Lama and the CTA. Focusing instead on refuting DorjeShugden.com’s reports, the Abbot neglected to mention that Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche had strongly requested for the Dalai Lama and CTA to focus on uniting the Tibetan people inside and outside Tibet. That the Dorje Shugden ban is creating factions amongst the Tibetans, and that such schism should be stopped immediately. The Abbot did not mention at all that Trijang Rinpoche was very direct and strong on this point about uniting the Tibetan people.

Shartse’s Abbot stated that he visited Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche on his own accord, to mend the gap between H.H. the Dalai Lama and Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche. However, the Abbot himself stated (in his sixth point) that it makes no difference to the Dalai Lama whether or not Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche returns to India. Why then did the Shartse Abbot feel it was his responsibility to “bridge the gap” between the two beings, when the Dalai Lama himself is not concerned by it? It is remarkable that the Abbot perceives there is a rift between the two lamas, considering the Dalai Lama is believed by Tibetans to be Chenrezig and Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche is believed to be Heruka. Both being Buddhas, it would indeed be an extraordinary (and in fact, impossible) situation for two enlightened beings, having realized equanimity and attained bodhicitta, to be engaged in a rift.

Shortly after DorjeShugden.com exposed the agenda of his visit to Trijang Buddhist Institute, Ganden Shartse Abbot Jangchup Choeden issued a statement inconsistent with the multiple reports we have received from our sources

Perhaps the Shartse Abbot felt some need to conceal the true nature of his visit, thus concocting this story. After all, his assertion regarding the purpose of his visit fully contradicts our sources who report that he actually visited Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche to relay messages from the Dalai Lama, Samdhong Rinpoche, the Prime Minister Lobsang Sangye, and the monks of Ganden Shartse, Ganden Jangtse, and Ganden Lachi. All of them requested for Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche to visit Sera Monastery, where the Dalai Lama would be giving teachings so that His Holiness can pass to Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche all of the teachings he received from the previous incarnation of Trijang Rinpoche. What is ironic is that if the Dalai Lama were really to pass back all of the teachings he had received from the previous Trijang Rinpoche, it should also include Dorje Shugden’s practice which the Dalai Lama had received from his guru.

Ganden Shartse Abbot Jangchup Choeden

Though young, Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche has remained steadfast in his commitment to his lineage, holding strong to the practices of his teachers and predecessors

During the audience in Vermont, Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche told the Shartse Abbot directly that he is very disappointed with Samdhong Rinpoche, who was one of the previous Trijang Rinpoche’s students, because he now suppresses Dorje Shugden practitioners. Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche did not want to hear any messages from Samdhong Rinpoche or Prime Minister Lobsang Sangye. Instead, Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche asked the Shartse Abbot to start with the Dalai Lama’s message. Rinpoche manifested obvious displeasure with the CTA whose previous and current heads are Samdhong Rinpoche and Lobsang Sangye respectively. He was clearly upset with the CTA’s policy of suppressing and marginalization of Shugden practitioners for many years.

The Dalai Lama’s message to Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche is that the Dalai Lama is going to give an exception to Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche (as a Dorje Shugden practitioner) and wants Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche to go back to India to receive the teachings. The Dalai Lama also said he wishes to hand to Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche the responsibility of providing spiritual guidance to the Tibetan people in India.

It is interesting that the Dalai Lama would consider such a move, when Trijang Rinpoche practises Dorje Shugden and has never shown signs of giving it up. Since Trijang Rinpoche is engaging in so-called demon worship, it would seem illogical that the Dalai Lama would want to pass spiritual guidance of the Tibetan people over to Trijang Rinpoche.

In response to this, Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche asked Shartse’s Abbot to please tell the Dalai Lama that when Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche was a monk 15 years ago, he had requested for an exception as he wanted to stay in Ganden Monastery and continue Dorje Shugden practice, but the Dalai Lama said NO. Now that he is no longer a monk, he does not need any exceptions; that is, he is free to practice and live wherever he wants. Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche also requested Shartse’s Abbot to tell the Dalai Lama not to think about exceptions for him, but to think about the Tibetan people in India, and do what is best for the Tibetan people and to make them united.

After all, why should an exception be made just for him and not for the larger population who would have relied on Dorje Shugden, had it not been for the ban and the resulting discrimination against those who practice the Protector?

What interests us at DorjeShugden.com is the number of exceptions that have been made for Trijang Rinpoche. When the Dalai Lama made his first exception to Trijang Rinpoche, he allowed Trijang Rinpoche to continue to practise Dorje Shugden. Ironically, this exception gave the anti-Dorje Shugden crowd a reason to harass and threaten Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche until he felt he had no other option but to leave India for Switzerland (and later, the USA). Now, it would appear the Dalai Lama has had a change of heart, giving Trijang Rinpoche yet another exception. That is, it is okay for him to practice Dorje Shugden and it is also okay for him to receive teachings from the Dalai Lama. One cannot help but wonder at what point the Dalai Lama, as the former secular and spiritual leader of Tibet, will come to a conclusion about the ban and who it applies to.

Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche continues to rely on Dorje Shugden, giving teachings and promoting his practice from Trijang Buddhist Institute in Vermont, USA

During his meeting with the Shartse Abbot, Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche also added that if and when he visits India, he will ONLY visit Shar Ganden. When this happens, DorjeShugden.com has been made aware that many monks will leave Ganden Shartse and Jangtse to join Shar Ganden, because his visit will show that he officially supports the monastery along with the practice of Dorje Shugden. Many of the monks from Ganden Shartse, Jangtse, Drepung and Sera will be waiting to receive Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, confident in the knowledge that he has not left their lineage.

The Abbot requested Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche to give teachings at Ganden Shartse, Ganden Jangtse and Ganden Lachi. At the time this request was made to Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, he had not given up Dorje Shugden (and shows no signs at all of giving it up). That the Abbot would request for teachings from someone who is a so-called demon worshipper, and has supposedly broken their vows is an interesting prospect. If we follow the logic that the Dalai Lama’s supporters have been promoting (that practicing a demon means you are no longer a Buddhist), then Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche does not even have his refuge vows. Therefore is he really in the position to teach the path to enlightenment to thousands of Sangha members? On our part, we know that he is regardless of whatever he practices, but the Shartse Abbot’s request just serves to highlight the rampant hypocrisy that is practiced within the Tibetan administration when it comes to the application of this ban.

A Dorje Shugden stronghold: Trijang Buddhist Institute in Vermont, USA where the Shartse Abbot had an audience with Trijang Rinpoche

The Abbot’s visit to Vermont comes at an opportune time. Unannounced to the world, this hurried visit may reflect the Dalai Lama’s office (Kukey Yigtsang) feeling threatened that Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche can freely visit Shar Gaden, Tibet, India, Nepal, China and in fact anywhere in the world. Being a US citizen, the Tibetans cannot prevent Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche from entering India. In addition, Shar Gaden being ostracized from the Tibetan community means that it falls outside of the direct control of the Tibetan settlements. Hence, Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche would not need to rely on their approval, and apply for a permit to enter.

Other very high lamas have also visited Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche recently and the CTA definitely is aware of that. Cars suspected to belong to the CTA have been spotted driving around TBI. As a result, considering the death threats that led him to flee India, security has been tightened around Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche. Could it be that the Dalai Lama has heard about these meetings with the high lamas, and the CTA is preparing their defence? It is entirely possible that the Shartse’s Abbot visit was a reaction from the CTA who are trying to stem the growth of Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche’s work, before he becomes so popular that the Tibetans start listening to him, and not to the Dalai Lama. That the Kukey Yigtsang and CTA would feel threatened is a very plausible scenario, considering this is not the first time in history they have felt threatened by the popularity of another lama…need we remind the readers of an incident involving the 5th Dalai Lama’s attendants, and one Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen?

The information that DorjeShugden.com has received from our sources reliably state that the Shartse Abbot’s announcement on his Facebook account were untrue. The statement was later published on the CTA’s website, relaying multiple untruths about what actually transpired between himself and Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche. In his statement, the Abbot mentioned the reason behind his visit and who actually sent him to see Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche.

It is interesting that the Shartse’s Abbot would tell such blatant untruths so openly, and that his statement would appear on the CTA’s website meaning they endorse his message (and therefore also his deception). For him to make such a statement would suggest he received the approval of some higher authority (i.e. the Kukey Yigtsang) to speak on their behalf. This must mean the Kukey Yigtsang must have been notified of DorjeShugden.com’s report, in order to authorise the Abbot to make a statement that involves their names.

The credibility of the CTA needs to be called into question, given their track record of hypocrisy and inability to accept any form of feedback, even when it comes from a young student asking an innocent question about the state of Tibet’s freedom movement. Do the CTA really think so lowly of the Tibetan people to go along with the Abbot’s statement, simply because he said so? There are rumours that Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche will be issuing an official statement that will be sent to the Dalai Lama’s office and other organizations to refute the Shartse Abbot’s false assertions. For now, it’s a “he-said-they-said” situation. However, a closer examination of the credibility of the two parties issuing statements would lead to the logical conclusion that someone like the Kukey Yigtsang and the Abbot who have a history of dubious undertakings cannot be trusted. This is compared to the word of someone like Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche who has remained steadfast, despite all odds, in his commitment to the practices given to him by his teachers. In other words, when Trijang Rinpoche says he will do or practice something, he sticks by it. The same cannot be said of the Kukey Yigtsang and CTA who go where the wind blows.

It is a shame that the CTA thinks so little of such a great lama, to even consider that one meeting with the Shartse Abbot could sway this attained being’s mind against Dorje Shugden

In making his statement public, the Abbot has caused a great deal of upset amongst the Shar Ganden monks who are very unhappy with the falsities being spread. He is the abbot of the great Gaden Shartse Monastery of 900 monks. He was meeting the greatest lineage guru of the Gelugpa lineage Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche. However, out of his own agenda, and with the manipulation of the CTA behind him, he chose to twist the story of his audience with Trjiang Choktrul Rinpoche. This only further serves to erode the Abbot’s reputation amongst the monastic community, when he is already infamous for personal fundraising instead of raising funds for the monastery.

One cannot help but wonder what the CTA hope to achieve by spying on Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche. Being on US soil, they do not have any power over Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche; they have no legal basis to spy on him, or to object to his activities. Second, if their motivation is to intimidate Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche and his students, they have no right to – it is harassment, and Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche can practise anything he wants without being watched.

The timing of the Abbot’s visit, his subsequent rushed statement on Facebook and Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche’s response cannot be coincidence. It would suggest that somewhere in the CTA, someone has realised that the Abbot’s visit, and the exposure of the real agenda of the meeting have backfired on them, and now the CTA are scrambling to manage the problem. Otherwise, what else can the CTA have done for them to reach so far in order to hide the truth and spy on one of the greatest Gelugpa lamas of all time?

 

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  1. Quite apparently and certainly Shartse Abbot is in conspiracy with CTA and needs to cover up their failed attempt and their super-folly in inviting Trijang Rinpoche back to Gaden and the December teachings which caused him to fumble and fabricated lies in his response. His statement is completely mumbo jumbo and made him utterly silly, unrespectable and undignified of a Shartse Abbot.

    Shartse Abbot, you did better eat up your words about Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche before it is too late for you.

    It will certainly come a time not too distant when Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche will visit Shar Garden. This will become a powerful reunion for all the Shugdenpas and a super force to reckon with. Many will jump ship, sanghas and non-sanghas inclusive. During this time CTA will sweat in their pants for the fear factor. They eventually will become ‘marginalised’ as non-shugdenpas without power. How much longer can they depend on the Dalai Lama?

  2. I do not think that this person is the actual reincarnation of Trijang Rinpoche. He will be used by the Dalai Lama as a tool to defenitly destroy Dorje Shugden practice. Do not you see the game played by the Dalai Lama? you should not be so naif. Why do you think the Dalai Lama allows only this person to do the Dorje Shugden practice? becouse he knows that it is not really the reincarnation of Trijang. He will use this person as a puppet to destroy the practice.

    DO NOT BE NAIF PLEASE, THINK DEEPLY ABOUT THIS CONTRADICTION DALAI LAMA BAN THE PRACTICE OF DORJE SHUGDEN-DALAI LAMA ALLOWS ONLY THIS PERSON TO DO THE PRACTICE OF DORJE SHUGDEN- THERE IS A DIRTY PURPOSE ON IT.

    DOES NOT MATTER IF NOW HE SEEMS A DORJE SHUGDEN PRACTITIONER HE WILL BETRAY DORJE SHUGDEN- THAT IS THE DALAI LAMA PURPOSE.

  3. Ok I will explain it tu you.

    At some point this false reincarnation of Trijang Rinpoche will arrive at the same conclusions that the Dalai Lama arrived concerning the practice of Dorje Shugden, that Dorje Shugden is a spirit…Then he will condemn the practice of Dorje Shugden has the Dalai Lama has done.

    This explains why the Dalai Lama allows only this person to practice Dorje Shugden.

    Once this happens those who consider this person a reincarnation of Trijang will doubt about their practice, so the Dalai Lama and his followers will have a strong reason to ban this practice.

    I say open you eyes wide and do not be naif in this matter. Can you give another explanation for this contradiction? There is a hidden purpose for it and i think must be this one knowing how the Dalai Lama uses dirty play to enforce this ban.

  4. It would be interesting to make this question open to the public

    Why do you think the Dalai Lama only allows the “reincarnation” of Trijang Rinpoche to practice Dorje Shugden?

    That is the million dollar question my friends, behind the question lyes Dalai Lama strategy to destroy the practice of Dorje Shugden.

  5. It does not take a clairvoyant to know that this cannot be what Je Tsongkhapa had intended for the institution he founded, which was in fact one of his 4 great deeds. What the Shartse Khenpo has done is tantamount to sullying Tsongkhapa’s legacy and this must not be taken lightly.

    Everyone who cares about the great lineage that Tsongkhapa founded in response to the chronic corruption of his time, every Gelugpa and indeed all Tibetans must take stock of the grievous harm than the Shugden ban has inflicted on the nation of Tibetan people and on the integrity of Tibetan Buddhism. This is no longer a question of whether one believes in Dorje Shugden being an enlightened or worldly deity, it is about the institution of the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan government, the CTA creating endless dire situations, the result of which, an Abbot of the great Ganden monastery has perhaps been forced to lie or lied willingly to please the Dalai Lama. Of course another person with integrity and the truth of the Dharma in his heart would not have acted the same way the Shartse Khenpo did but it has to be asked, how many monks and laypeople have lied and committed heinous acts just to remain on the good side of the Tibetan leadership? And why are the rest of the Tibetan people standing by as mere observers as this spectacle has been unfolding.

    If the Shartse Khenpo is genuine in his intention to bridge the gap between the Dalai Lama and Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, then his lies about this entire trip, has done the complete opposite. It shows to Trijang Rinpoche and the rest of the world, that the main reasons behind the Khenpo’s actions were not pure and it has brought into question whether those in Dharamsala had and have any good intentions towards Trijang Rinpoche anyway.

    More important than returning to their homeland the Tibetan people need to preserve and protect the treasures that their great sages of the past have left them. Tibetans have already lost the country. Will they also now lose the precious Dharma?

  6. As to the question why the Dalai Lama has allowed Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche to exclusively practice Dorje Shugden, it is due to one reason only, that is by allowing his own Guru’s reincarnation to practice Dorje Shugden, the Dalai Lama was guaranteeing the future of the practice. If there is one lama other than the Dalai Lama whom the Gelugpa monks would follow in total devotion, it is Trijang Rinpoche who is directly or indirectly the Guru to most of the Gelugpas today.

    Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche was confirmed by the Choyang Kuten, the Shugden oracle of Ganden Shartse who took trance of Duldzin and then recognised by the Dalai Lama. He did not just drop from a tree.

  7. Then, why the Dalai lama bans the practice if he wants to guarantee the continuity of the practice. No sense in it at all. Most of the recognised tulkus are false just chosen for political aims.
    On the other hand what would happen if this person at the end bans the practice. The Dalai lama would be very happy. If he was recognised by the Dalai lama then for sure he is not the reincarnation of trijang.

    So the reason that you give does not make any sense

  8. Also would it be possible that Kuten lama was forced to recognise this boy as the reincarnation of trijang? I would say yes

  9. Dear “dorjeShugden”,

    I agree that it does look odd. The Dalai Lama decided to impose the ban of Dorje Shugden as a skilful means to spread the practice.

    The Tibetan government were so embroiled in their own internal bickering and politicking and for decades Tibetan Buddhism remained stagnant. If left to the CTA’s complete incompetence, Tibetan Buddhism would have waned. the CTA has had ZERO success in anything they have done. They have not improved their standing with China nor have their improved the standard of living for the exiled Tibetans. Its as if they do not exist and if they did, then it is in a destructive way.

    In the meantime China was progressing in leaps and bounds and was the threshold of being the most powerful (economically) nation on earth, not to mention the most populous. China was going to be an extremely influential country and indeed has become so. It would be an extremely valuable ally to DS.

    By creating a controversy, the name Dorje Shugden became well known and spread around the world. As the result of the ban, DS lamas went all over the world and with that, Lama Tsongkhapa’s lineage spread – everywhere Dorje Shugden is, Je Tsongkhapa’s teachings proliferate. Today the largest Dharma centres in the world today such as FPMT and NKT were founded by Lama Yeshe and Geshe Kelsang Gyatso respectively, both ardent Dorje Shugden practitioners. The ban led to this.

    As the result of the ban, China encouraged the Protector practice and by that Dorje Shugden is being spread by an extremely powerful nation. The Dalai Lama foresaw all these as did Trijang Rinpoche. More people practice Dorje Shugden than ever before.

    It is ok to doubt but one must make the effort to investigate and learn. If one says the Dalai Lama is wrong and this present reincarnation of Trijang Rinpoche is fake, then how does it help anyone? It is counter productive.

    Regardless, we practice Dorje Shugden because it is a practice given by our lama and it is a personal relationship between us and Manjushri in worldly form. We should maintain our practice because it is a good practice and it is what we need during these times, regardless of the politics and skullduggery of those who oppose this Buddha.

  10. I agree with that suggested by Vajratruth. The ultimate importance is for the teachings and blessings of Dorje Shugden to spread and help many more sentient beings. His Holiness is Chenrenzig and with his compassion for ALL he will use all means possible to help others.

  11. By creating a controversy, the name Dorje Shugden became well known and spread around the world. As the result of the ban, DS lamas went all over the world and with that, Lama Tsongkhapa’s lineage spread – everywhere Dorje Shugden is, Je Tsongkhapa’s teachings proliferate. Today the largest Dharma centres in the world today such as FPMT and NKT were founded by Lama Yeshe and Geshe Kelsang Gyatso respectively, both ardent Dorje Shugden practitioners. The ban led to this.

    I do not agree with this becouse it contradicts my own experience. I have seen the efects of the ban in our own center and organisation. To say that our organisation has increased becouse of the ban contradicts the facts. The fact is that the ban is an obstacle for people to find pure Dharma. If our center has increased in numbers is becouse there is a incredible pure intention behind our organisation and becouse Dorje Shugden of course. So defenitly to say that the ban led to the increase of people attending our center and organisation it is not rigth when the opposite is the case. I say without the ban much more people would be involved in our organisation, center.

    Also if the ban is a help to spread the practice as you state why to work to lift it? You should work to enforce it, so here there is another contradiction. If you work to lift the ban is becouse you also recognise that it is an obstacle if not what is the purpose of your website.

    Also it is not true that becouse the ban Lamas went around the world to spread the doctrine of Lama Tsongkhapa. At least not the case of my teacher. He was invited to teach in western countries. Lamas spread the doctrine around the world becouse they lost they country I think that is more right.

    It is ok to doubt but one must make the effort to investigate and learn. If one says the Dalai Lama is wrong and this present reincarnation of Trijang Rinpoche is fake, then how does it help anyone? It is counter productive.

    I also do not agree with this it is obvius that the Dalai Lama is wrong. I feel that you are a bit like the public on the tale of the king that was going naked thinking that he was wearing the best dress, until the child said that the king was naked, stating the obviuos. Analogies work very well: the king is naked!!

    Also the truth always helps but takes a bit of courage to accep it. Time will tell who is rigth or wrong, To me this issue is like a theater I feel that everything is already arranged. The Dalai Lama needs this person not to spread the practice but to destroy it, for this this “Trijang” neds to appear as a pure Dorje Shugden practitioner, the Dalai Lama has said that he can practice Dorje Shugden to make him the leader of Shugden followers and then this person will abandoned the practice of Dorje Shugden stating the same reasons than the Dalai Lama “Game Over”. If you say how knowing this helps it is also obvius, we can be prepared for how things develops, the Dalai Lama is playing with your faith in him. I have no faith in him and also he is not my Root Guru so for me is easy to see the truth even if I have no clairvoyance yet (I am on the way) just by following logical reasoning (valid cognisers, inferential cognisers to see hidden objects they are very useful)

    Remember the king is naked, the king is naked, the king is naked.

    Your conclusion is too twisted and does not make any sense becouse it contradicts valid cognisers, it is just a believe not based on a valid reason.

  12. Dear “DorjeShugden”

    I fully understand your frustration and although I may not agree fully with your reasoning, I respect your rights to have them. It is totally possible to fight to bring down an unholy ban without disparaging Chenrezig.

    The Administrators of the site work very hard to propagate the Protector practice without insulting the Dalai Lama. And you’re right, it is very much like an illusory play in a theatre and each has a role to play. DS.Com’s role is to bring the ban down and fight the ban. Focus your energies on that. There is no benefit “hating” and it is also not Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang’s advice to hate and be angry.

    I will you well.

  13. Not hatred at all just trying To clarify some contradictions . I Love Your articles. As i said Time will tell

  14. @ the commenter named “dorje shugden”

    What would you say of the Gaden Trisur Lungrik Namgyal letter of official approval of Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche’s authority to represent the Gelugpa tradition? Would you say he is wrong? Are you going to say he isn’t a real Gaden Trisur Rinpoche because HHDL chose him to be the Gaden Tripa?

  15. Yes

  16. @ “dorje shugden”

    So I guess you would fall in the camp that this Dalai Lama is a fake Dalai Lama too then.

  17. @ “dorje shugden”

    I suppose from your conclusions we can also say that all of Shar Gaden are pretending to be on Shugden’s side because they consider Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche as their lineage holder. All of Dokhang Kangtsen/Shar Gaden must be in on the conspiracy too.

  18. Yes for the first
    No for the second

  19. I want to thank the writer and admin of this website for such informative and important article. There are many news which, we Dorje Shugden practitioners outside of Tibet don’ know about, and yet, such news need to be highlighted to all to read.

    To me, it is quite simple that, if the information written by dorjeshugden.com is not important and false, then why would the abbot be bothered to even reply and clarify?

    I always like articles posted on this website because it reasons with logic, and authors spend their time to investigate the incident with care and write with logic and substance.

    CTA, you should focus on uniting the Tibetans, not dividing them further!!

  20. We are all wasting precious time on this totally samsaric patriarchal squabble. “In times of strife, you [Je Tsongkhapa] strove to learn and practice . . . ”
    We are all gossiping when we need to be focusing singly on the essence of life.
    SHHHHHH!
    mickeypamo,
    http://WordsofaWanderingDakini.wordpress.com

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