Dorje Shugden Divinations


The great protectoress, Palden Lhamo’s dice divination is quite well-known. I heard that there are also divination methods by Dorje Shugden, but I could find any documents relating to this. Does anyone have any information on this? I seems good to be able to have the means to seek Dorje Shugden’s advice, especially on difficult issues.


Dorje Shugden Divinations:

  1. There are two current text on divination in use and circulation. His Eminence Kyabje Dagom Dorje Chang composed one text and Dorje Shugden Himself took trance and composed the original one. They are both highly accurate on the hundreds of occasions divination was consulted to Dagom Rinpoche by my associates/friends/dharma students.
  2. When Dorje Shugden took trance of the previous Choyang Dulzin Kuten, he was in trance for over two hours. Dorje Shugden gave the direct lineage, oral transmission, and explanation of this text. In other words, he composed on the spot this sacred text. Amazing as Shugden gave transmission on his own text he composed on the spot. Start of a lineage.

    It was compiled by the then secretary in audience with Dorje Shugden in his peaceful form as Dulzin. If I am not mistaken, the secretary is the current abbot of Shar Gaden, the Most Venerable Geshe Lobsang Pende-lak. I am referring to the Dorje Shugden composed text below.

  3. It’s broken down into 6 basic sections with subsections and Intro’s advice:
    1. Intro advice
    2. The six basic sections are for the 6 faces of the dice. Depending which side the dice falls, each side is broken down into approximately 10 subsections. Each Subsection gives details of results, to engage in a certain action being asked or to avoid or otherwise, pujas, remedial solutions, etc.10 subsections that the questions are divided into:
      • Dharma Activity
      • visitors/friends
      • House & Place
      • Success
      • Legal Actions
      • Sickness
      • Life Span
      • Spirits
      • Medical Treatments
      • Travelling Wealth & Resource
  4. In order to engage in this profound practice of Divination relying on the infallible Dorje Shugden, it is highly recommended:
    1. Recieve the empowerment of Tsongkapa (Je Tse Zin Ma), engage in formal retreat with minimum of 100,000 migtseymas. No fire puja.
    2. Recieve the initiation of Yamantaka, solitary or 13-Deity is fine, engage in the retreat. Minimum 400,000 main mantra, and 40,000 other three mantras each. Seal with a sacred Fire Puja.
    3. Recieve Sogtae (life entrustment) of Dorje Shugden, engage in a extended retreat at least 1,000,000 (one million minimum) main mantra and secondary mantry 100,000 is ok. Seal with a sacred Dorje Shugden Fire puja.
  5. Then upon finishing retreat, request one’s lama permission to start the divinations and can get one’s divination dice consecrated by one’s lama.Of course one’s does not engage in such sacred retreats with the motivation JUST TO DO DIVINATIONS. That would be a ‘waste’.

    One should do with the highest of motivations as in Lam Rim Prayers or King of Prayers. The side benefit would be the ability to divine the future for situations beyond logical thinking or a logical course of action.

  6. When one has finished the retreat, recieved the permission of one’s lama, then everyday prior to divination, one is to recite Hung Rang Nyi Yidam, etc. 3x, offer serkym and with a good motivation one may recieve questions and proceed to divine to help others.

This is a short run down of the details, requirements and procedures behind the highly accurate divination method of the Enlightened Dorje Shugden.

This practice is not for only high lamas. This is for anyone sincere and does the divinations free of the 8 worldly dharmas as best as you can. The accuracy will depend on your samaya, guru devotion, motivation and ‘upkeep’ of your Dorje Shugden commitments.

You can consult a qualified lama and recieve this practice if you wish to go all the way. You can recieve the lineage, do the retreats, and fire pujas in Shar Gaden. One retreat every six months?? The Abbot can confer on you the sacred initiations.

Let me please stress again, it is a side benefit of all the retreats. Tsongkapa, Yamantaka, Dorje Shugden retreats are to clear obstacles to realizing the real non-dualistic nature of the mind thereby propelling yourself to Liberation. Wisdom is so needed, what more better than Manjushri in Lama form-Tsongkapa, Manjushri in Yidam form-Yamantaka and Manjushri in Protector form-Dorje Shugden.

The Gelugs have a saying that we practice Lama Manjushri, Yidam Manjushri and Protector Manjushri. That is to all awaken the Manjushri within us lying dormant for aeons.

Good luck.


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  1. Dear, questioner
    I have reset and documented this mo text in English with some additional information as how to make the Mo dice. I am one of the fortunate ones to have recieved the transmission from Gyalchen himself through Choyang Dulzin Kuten. Send me a E-mail I will send you a copy. Please note that the devination is strictly for personal use only as was instructed during the trans mission, yours, Lama Thubten Wangmo

  2. Dear Lama Thubten Wangmo
    can you please send me a copy of the mo text of Great Gyalchen i am very interested in this practise.

  3. Dear T. Wangmo: I am interested in your divination through mo dice: also want to know who advised me to practice Dorje invoke Shudgen: only know their mantras, I want to know if there is a special mantra for material wealth: Thank you!

  4. Divinations through dice must be practised with altruistic intention and without the eight worldly concerns. Otherwise it will not be effective and might even backfire.

  5. Using the dice for Divinations is a practice of Dorje Shugden’s way of answering a question. As Dorje Shugden is an enlightened Being and also a Supramundane Dharma protector the Divinations will be accurate. There are also many requirements one has to qualify before you are trained into doing Divinations. In Tibetan it is called MO divinations with dice. For you to qualify to be able to do this you have to do a Retreat of 1 million Dorje Shugden mantras followed by Yamantaka mantras and a Fire puja has to be done. Another form of Dorje Shugden answering a question will be through an Oracle.

  6. Dear Lama Thubten Wangmo
    can you please send me a copy of the mo text of Great Gyalchen i am very interested in this practice.

  7. Dear Lama Thubten Wangmo
    can you please send me a copy of the mo text of Great Gyalchen i am very interested in this e-mail ID [email protected]

  8. Dear Lama Thubten Wangmo, can please send me a copy of the mo text of Great Gyalchen, I have practised Dorje Shugden for 5 years with minimum aachievement. I would like to achieve more, can you tell me where I can go for Dorje Shugden retreats? I cannot go to Tibet, too far and too expensive. Kathmandu might be OK.

    Nema Dongye, Thanks

  9. To everyone that have requested the short MO text,My excuses for nor replaying to your request concerning the MO text. Please go to and click on the button’contact opnemen’ in the button row at the right hand side, this allows me to send you the text requested straight away. Please the MO is to assist us in our Dharma practice and for private use. Follow the Above instructions if you want to deepen the use of the MO. With warm regards to all. Lama Thubten wangmo

  10. Dear Nema Dongye Great that you like to deepen your practice and want to do retreats, Lama Gangen Rinpoche has a centre near Katmandu and Boudhanath
    God Luck! LTW
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    Gangchen Labrang Medical & Retreat Center
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    L. G. Tashi Jong Himalayan Healing Center
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    tel: +977-1-477126

    Pende Jong Retreat Center
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  11. The accuracy of divinations is purely based on one’s faith and samaya. One has no right to ask for divinations if one has no open mindedness and belief to carry it through completely. Divinations are not to be taken lightly and personally not for selfish nor frivolous reasons. Once the results of divinations are given, one must take it seriously and fulfill. No short cuts and no compromise nor negotiations.

    I know of a friend who was subjective and only carried through what was “convenient”. The final result did not materialize. She told me she did not believe anymore and I told her that her “conclusion” was because of herself and her selectiveness.

    She has since seen that faith is not one to be selective and if one can ask one should take the results and practise all the way.

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.…Instead of turning away people who practise Dorje Shugden, we should be kind to them. Give them logic and wisdom without fear, then in time they give up the ‘wrong’ practice. Actually Shugden practitioners are not doing anything wrong. But hypothetically, if they are, wouldn’t it be more Buddhistic to be accepting? So those who have views against Dorje Shugden should contemplate this. Those practicing Dorje Shugden should forbear with extreme patience, fortitude and keep your commitments. The time will come as predicted that Dorje Shugden’s practice and it’s terrific quick benefits will be embraced by the world and it will be a practice of many beings.

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