Kundeling Rinpoche speaks about Dorje Shugden and the Dalai Lama

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His Eminence Kundeling Rinpoche speaks openly, from the heart and logically about the Dorje Shugden ban. How this ban has affected himself, his students, his life, the lives of Tibetans and practitioners around the world. Kundeling is one of the few lamas who contribute to the lifting of the Shugden ban risking his life as he has received numerous death threats which has not deterred him. He continues to guide his students all over the world to continue to ‘fight’ peacefully to remove the illegal ban on Dorje Shugden by His Holiness the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama has never once told his followers not to perform violence on Tibetans who speak against his policy. In fact on the official CTA website, they make known to the Tibetan world who dare protest against the Dalai Lama. You can see for yourselves here: http://tibet.net/dolgyal-shugden/ Which democratic government in the world will post pictures of peaceful demonstrators? Included are their backgrounds and also addresses in some cases. It is clearly to incite the Tibetans to take action against these fellow Tibetans while the Tibetan leadership sit back and say “We didn’t tell them to do it”. But CTA posted their pictures which is worse. Tibetan leadership (CTA) dare not post the pictures of non-Tibetan Protestors, which you should take note. If these Tibetan protestors were a ‘danger’ to the Dalai Lama’s life, surely the other foreign protestors would be the same threat by logical deduction? Why are they not posted? Because CTA dare not castigate the financial help they are receiving from foreign governments by inciting hatred towards their respective citizens.

Kundeling Rinpoche has done much work to remove the ban against Dorje Shugden and we can only say he continues to do so by various means which would not be spoken about here as it would further endanger his life. The Tibetan leadership in their history has been known for violence, murder, arrests, torture and basically defamation. Kundeling will continue his works solely due to his devotion towards his lineage, teachers and practice.

Kundeling Rinpoche’s perfect command of English, indepth knowledge of the political/spiritual issues within the Tibetan communities makes him an authority on why the ban was put into place at all. His direct and clear cut explanation would help anyone trying to understand this ban, which has caused confusion for millions around the world.

This is a must watch interview in which the listener can learn so much about the inner workings of what was the formerly known Tibetan Government and now named the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA). Some of the information Kundeling Rinpoche reveals is heartbreaking as well as shocking, but necessary.

Kundeling Rinpoche’s intelligent talk shows exceptional courage in how he faced the bleakest moments of his life by simply following his heart in his spiritual convictions. He didn’t choose his spiritual path for political reasons whatsoever, but it has become political and threatening his life at times. But he remains stalwart and firm in his convictions handed to him by his erudite masters.

This must watch interview is moving, informative and at the same time highly necessary to understand why the ban was put into place. You can agree or not agree with Kundeling Rinpoche, but one thing is for sure, what he says is compelling and from the depths of his personal experience.

Please take note: When pro-Shugden people protest against Dalai Lama it hurts the Dalai Lama supporters. But how about when pro-Dalai Lama supporters and Tibetan leadership say negative things about Shugden lamas, practice and the Shugden protector? Also having printed and online material against Shugden?  It also hurts does it not? The Tibetan leadership and CTA started this.  Because prior to the ban, everyone was in harmony. The Tibetan leadership have hurt and damaged the sentiments of millions of Shugden pactitioners in Tibet and around the world. How come they must remain silent? When this is done, do they not have the right to protest, speak up and be heard?  Why not peacefully speak up and rectify the situation?  Now there is no harmony within Tibetan Buddhism. The disharmony will continue as the Shugden ban issue will not die down. The practice will not go away. Who knew about Shugden purported damaging effects prior to this. No one, as there was none. The Sakya and Gelugpa Traditions peacefully practiced  Shugden for 350 years while being in harmony with all other Buddhists.  People were practicing for hundreds of years and there was no damage to anyone by Shugden. Impossible.  It’s only when the Tibetan leadership instituted the illegal ban on Shugden all the disharmony arose. The disharmony continues and is growing.

Everyone deserves the right to practice or worship any deity they wish and no one should criticize. If they do criticize, be prepared for opposition.  Only the Dalai Lama can change this by removing the ban. Why hurt the sentiments of one group of Tibetans and millions around the world. We appeal to His Holiness the Dalai Lama to have an open and fair dialogue and find a solution to end this irrational ban. No one is enjoying this turmoil.

Jigme K
(Student and admirer of Kundeling Rinpoche)

 

Advice on Dharmapala Dorje Shugden By HE Kybje Kundeling Rinpoche (In English)

 

 

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  1. This makes perfect sense to me. How courageous this sincere Lama is – and how wonderful that the truth is coming out in to the open more and more. Thanks for posting this.

  2. All the information on this and all dhogyal websites are created by Kundeling lama. Kundeling speaks very good English and has many students in Europe who are fanatically against HH Dalai Lama. Kundeling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0WLTvDlGqE

    Kundeling does all the informational mailing to many organizations around the world in the futile attempt to destroy the reputation of the Dalai Lama. Kundeling was ‘recognized’ as a reincarnation by Lama Gangchen in Italy. They all join forces with NKT to defame Dalai Lama using dhogyal. This is all confirmed by monks of Sera Mey Monastery. Beware of these ‘lamas’.

  3. Kundeling may have attempted to take Dalai Lama to court, but it didn’t work out. Who will listen to Kundeling? Dalai Lama has truth on his side and Kundeling is just looking for attention. He is definitely connected to NKT and funded by NKT. Just like this website.

  4. I love Kundeling Rinpoche. He is so logical and compassionate. I wish the Dalai Lama’s followers would try to follow Buddhism and stop trying to kill all of our good lamas. Please Kundeling Rinpoche may you live for a very long time.

  5. I have had serious bi-polar issues for years and with medication combined with Shugden’s mantra help me to recover so much faster. This caused me to see schism and problems where there were none. I am much better now according to my doctor. I don’t know why people always criticize D. Shugden because we have the right to worship whatever we want. If you criticize any faith or forms of worship, then you are attempting to take away others’ rights.

  6. GLORY TO THE GREAT KUNDELING RINPOCHE.

  7. Carol, I am so happy to see you come to your senses. It’s human to err and be mislead by our afflictive emotions and that’s why it’s good to have a compassionate Protector like Gyalchen Shugden. May he continue to look after you.

  8. Carol, Maybe your worship of Dhogyal brought on the bi-polar problem?

  9. I am just a Buddhist. I don’t know anything about Dorji Shugden. I don’t know whether Dalai Lama banned it or not. There is no human court to give judgements and ban beliefs. We can have our own believes according to our understandings and our beliefs and understandings shall be guided by pure conscience within. Banning is ridiculous and dragging the matter to court is another ridiculous. I pray that by commenting this I don’t accumulate any bad merits. I am sharing my concerns and I don’t claim to be right.
    This issue has really disturbed me immensely. However, I will take a deep breath and let conscience within me lead me to Good Karma.

  10. And for the sake of well beings of sentient beings please do not let politics play role in religious matters. It is the belief of His Holiness the Dalai Lama that He speaks to his disciples. It is not necessary the disciples follow it. If you do not believe the belief of Dalai Lama speak to the followers with reasons.
    Let the wisdom of Buddhism flow in its own way. Great Lamas are there to guide and show the path and not to put you on the path forcefully. It is the ultimate spiritual right we all possess that which path we shall take.
    As a Buddhist I will listen and study what is taught. Not necessary for me to follow everything that has been taught but this doesn’t mean I dishonour my Teacher. If I try to follow what I understand it as not good means I dishonour my conscience and I know the Greatest of Greatest Teacher live within my conscience.
    So, No conspiracy, No protests, No court, No politics but There Can Be Debates from which We Should Learn. This is just my thought. I do not claim to be right.

  11. As a Buddhist since the time of Shakymuni Buddha, we have been told to always question the teachings as in all buddhist teachings there are logical answers that leads to the ultimate truth.

    It is gratifying to hear Kundeling Rinpoche’s clear and precise answers to questions whereby the BAN had created divisions in the Tibetan Buddhism doctrine and also hardship to Dorje Shugden worshippers. The facts presented by Kundeling Rinpoche to refute Dalai Lama’s reasons for the BAN are sound and logical.

    As there are no real valid reasons for the BAN, it is the wish of all DS worshippers to be given this right to continue the practice without further damage and fear.

  12. What ever may be, The ultimate Truth is the Path to Enlightenment. This shall be the base line.

  13. Very interesting from Kundeling Rinpoche, he point it out very clearly that, if the Dalai Lama is a monk and holds his refuge he cannot be harmed. Before the Tibetan invasion 95% of the Tibetans followed the doctrine of Lama Tsongkhapa so most people from Tibet were doing Dorje Shugden practice. So to say Dorje Shugden practice harms the Dalai Lama is utter nonsense.

    By banning Dorje Shugden there is no HARMONY, hence the ban is actually making it more difficult for Tibetan Unity. Without Tibetan unity there is no Tibetan freedom.

  14. Any faiths wether gost,spirit,gods,tree,stone,mountain,lake,etc are free to be worshipped. Any leaders of nation or priest can not suppress these by saying it is bad for this and that. In modern democratic system this kind of statement goes against the Law of Human Right Freedom.

  15. I am having bi-polar issues as I can see penguins and polar bears at the same time.

  16. The Tibetan CTA (leaders) targeted Kundeling to be beaten up many times. They even pay people to have this done. They are well known for underhanded tactics in treachery. Luckily Kundeling survived and is doing well.

  17. I have begun to wake up to the reality.. The penny has dropped! Some of you may remember a teaching I gave when I said that when we become enlightened we can manifest anything that sentient beings need. To manifest/emanate have the same meaning. A Buddha can emanate a car if we need transport, a house if we need shelter, food if we are starving. But we would not think for a moment that the car, the house or the food are to be an object of refuge, a Buddha. Likewise, we cannot consider an emanation that appears in the aspect of a worldly spirit, as Dorje Shugden does, to BE a Buddha, nor an object of refuge. That much is now clear to me.

    His Holiness is right and the truth cannot be hidden from you any longer. We have committed grave and terrible mistakes. We have been wickedly manipulated and deceived. I beg all Geshe-la’s disciples to stop this evil course of action that we have mistakenly followed – it is the fast lane to the hell realms. All further demonstrations against His Holiness the Dalai Lama are cancelled. We are preparing a full apology to His Holiness for our grossly inappropriate and harmful actions and urge you all to do the same.

  18. Whoa – Gen-la Kyenrabh! Is this really true or are you pulling our leg? I can see many commenters on here such as Carol McQuuire and Michael Brown are posted under false pretences, so am wondering if this is really you posting Gen-la? Is this from Geshe-la?

    I really hope it is because I am tired of all this and it is quite clear to anyone following this issue that we are totally in the wrong and being played like fiddles by the pro-China faction of Tibetan lamas. I, for one, would like to see a stop right now to all this embarrassing and shameful activity we are doing. I fear the reputation of the NKT is suffering irreparable damage. I recently watched again a video of some of our protests where one of our nuns is dancing and flirting showing clear sexual attraction between her and the handsome man drumming. She is wearing a very tight top over her robes showing off her fine figure and pert breasts, as she gets into her sexy groove. So shaming for us to see one of our nuns behave in such a disgracefully inappropriate sexual fashion. This must stop. All of it. Now.

  19. Jigme it is indeed me. Geshe-la speaks through me. You should know better than to question that! I agree with you about that nun particularly. I cringe to watch it the video. Do you know her name? She needs to go “on retreat”. Please begin to spread the word that all our involvement in this issue should cease forthwith. It is Geshe-la’s will. He has been deeply mortified by what we are doing and all the slander and lies we have spread in his name. Please take action immediately to notify the members of Tara Centre. Any members who disagree with our new position should be evicted from the centre forthwith.

  20. I can’t believe I am reading this! So are you telling me I stood up and made such a dick of myself by grossly insulting not the “False” Dalai Lama but now you say it’s “His Holiness” the Dalai Lama? OMG! What have I done?! I feel like such a fool!

  21. Just shut it Jangdumb! Nobody made you pull that embarrassing stupid stunt during the Dalai Lama’s Hamburg teaching did they? You have a very impure view and your own delusions and self-cherishing mind have led you astray. You need to go “on retreat”. Your actions have been extremely damaging to the reputation of the NKT. I’ve just been told Geshe-la has lined up a replacement for you in Oslo already. You’re out mate, sorry. p.s You are not eligible for financial assistance in returning home or getting alternative accommodation in Oslo because you broke NKT Internal Rules – so don’t waste any time begging Geshe-la for help. He won’t reply.

  22. A number of posters on this thread are pretending to be me and I am requesting the moderators to please remove them. Thank you If you want me to prove who I am please send email to me. Thank you.

    The offending poster is using the name Gen Keslang Kyenrabh

  23. I see someone is posting on here pretending to be me. First Carol McQuire was impersonated, then Michael Brown and now me also. These people should be ashamed of themselves. I am requesting the moderator to please remove the offending posts ie from kelsang khyenrab, Carol McQuuire and Michael Brown. Thank you.

  24. Let me ask you a question Gen-la: do you think it’s correct to restrict our religious freedom to worship Dodgy Shugden by threatening to evict us from our centres if we do not go along with your ban on more protests against the False Dalai Lama? For goodness sake – this is the only time we get to sing, dance and shout – the rest of the time life as an NKTer is sooo dull! We want to have some fun and you have no right to restrict our religious freedom to have a party ie “protest”. So don’t you dare bring your threats over here to the USA – I will have no hesitation to call in the FBI if you try it!

  25. There’s someone here impersonating me – going by the name of Diane Cackman. That’s it – I am calling the FBI now. This harrassment is completely unacceptable.

  26. Kudos Kundeling Rinpoche sharing in video that how this ban has affected himself, his students, his life, the lives of Tibetans and practitioners around the world. Many of truths may be covered by CTA but more and more peoples around the world had started watching this in details. Kundeling Rinpoche not just speak from His heart but telling the world the truth. Salute to Kundeling Rinpoche hard works that try to make the ridiculous Ban lifted as soon possible.

  27. First, thank you Rinpoche for standing up and speaking up for the millions of Dorje Shugden practitioners, and secondly, thank you admin for sharing this video. It is indeed a MUST WATCH video.

    I agree with Rinpoche that many times, the pro-Dalai Lama monks exhibit violence and hatred towards Dorje Shugden practitioners, and many of the Dorje Shugden practitioners are learned and taught many students before the ban is in place. And now that the ban is in place, and suddenly these learned teachers are “evils”?

    And these teachers have taught so many students, but where is the gratitude? These teachers have done so much for the younger students, but what has HH Dalai Lama done for them? How can they just turn against their teacher by listening to someone who has not done much for them?

    And this is definitely not just a “handful” of “fanatics” people. There are million of Dorje Shugden practitioners and this is something we need to resolve.

    HH Dalai Lama, please have a dialogue on this matter!

  28. Unfortunately Kris we have rather scuppered any chance for a sensible dialogue on this matter by being so grossly insulting and abusive towards the Dalai Lama. To illustrate the point: say the US government ask for a dialogue with Putin and at the same time were to send fanatics to stand outside the Russian embassy and yell liar! at him, plus produce literature and placards describing him as the “worst dictator in modern times” – do you think that would be a sensible way forward to achieve the “dialogue” they say they want. I think most people would understand that such a course of action would be entirely counter-productive to the said desire for “dialogue” – don’t you?

    Also, our requests for “dialogue” in the past just amounted to demands with threats so that can hardly be deemed request for dialogue can it? Then there was the petition we fabricated too – it is clear to anyone who looks into the signatures on it that vast numbers of the names were just fake. Also , the claim that there are “millions” of Shugden practitioners affected by this ban is clearly ludicrous and in fact is an outright lie. You only have to look at the figures for the Tibetan diaspora – there are only about 150,000 Tibetans in exile at most. So how on earth someone has come up with the notion of “millions” of Shugdenpas is baffling. We really should not keep repeating this idea as it makes us look like really stupid liars!

    http://buddhism-controversy-blog.com/2014/08/23/kelsang-rabten-calls-for-dialogue-at-the-soas-conference-is-dialogue-possible/

  29. The explanation of Kundeling Rinpoche is very logic and Dharmic. The only problem for us is due to our karma or our collective karma. It is definitely not logical at all that a spirit will harm us especially a high lama such as His Holiness Dalai Lama if we have been good and pure Buddhists, we will be protected by our refuge vows. In addition, HH Dalai Lama is a Buddha, if he could be harmed by a spirit, then how could we have faith that Buddhism or Dharma would bring us to find our ultimate happiness and is our ultimate refuge?

  30. I think Kunduling Lama-saheb should not worry about this unwanted Big Ban on shugden worshipping. Soon Dlama will accompany Xi Jinping back to China when the latter visits India this month.
    Dlama wants to go back to Tibet soon and Xi Jingpin needs him for Chinese national stability before whole China becomes land of no moral integrity. DLama is a saviour for China and this new young modern Chinse big boss knows this too well. Now all his hardliners have already under check and he can easily do whatever ever is good for China and its future.
    Dalai Lama is the solution for China`s for further stable economical and social development in the next decade.
    Now the question is if India would allow Dlama to leave from India as their contra-action to Chinese economical sovereignty and supremacy in the World.
    Shugden issue automatically becomes less important when political pressure once becomes stronger by China. CTA has then no other better card to play than give in.

  31. Tshering Wangma: The Dalai Lama isn’t going to accompany Xi Jingpin back to Tibet. What are you talking about?

  32. Kundeling Rinpoche speaks from his heart and sincere. He is illustrating the situation that is actually happening to him and his community. It also reflects what is happening in the Tibetan community. Like he said, many lives are affected from this ban. Fathers are suspecting the sons, mothers are doubting the daughters and friends have become enemies.

    All of this is happening is because the Dalai Lama wanted power and to go back to Tibet with control. Since the fight for Tibetan independence is no longer valid, he is now fighting for autonomy and using Dorje Shugden as a scape goat. How could the Dalai Lama’s life be shortened or affected if he is an emanation of Chenrezig? Did he not take refuge in the three jewels? If he has done so, then his life would not be in danger!

    Thank you Kundeling Rinpoche for continuing the fight for Dorje Shugden practitioners. Your explanation are very logical and easy to understand. Let’s hope that more and more people will come to realisation that the practice of Dorje Shugden does not affect any of the Tibetan fight and the Dalai Lama’s life.

  33. Many high lamas who are practicing DS are facing many obstacles and even death thread and Kundeling Rinpoche happens to be one of these great masters. As it’s said “He didn’t choose his spiritual path for political reasons whatsoever, but it has become political and threatening his life at times.” However, Kundeling Rinpoche still remains determine in his practice as he knows it brings much benefits and DS is an enlightened being, although his life is being threatened every single day, Kundeling Rinpoche chooses to have faith in DS and working towards lifting this ban imposed. In the video, Kundeling Rinpoche speaks sincerely from His heart on his view towards the Dalai Lama and DS.

  34. It is very encouraging to listen to Kundeling Rinpoche airing his views and logic, and his loyalty, love and guru devotion for Dorje Shugden practice.

    When more people like Kundeling Rinpoche spoke up, their combined voices would attract more people worldwide to listen and understand the plight of pro Shugden practitioners. We are already seeing some countries’ government getting uncomfortable with the Tibetan leadership and some are not welcoming their visit to their country, whilst some allow them to visit but did not meet the Tibetan leadership. This would hasten the lifting of the ban.

    May Kundeling Rinpoche live very long. May more people speak up for the injustice done to the practitioners with the ban and may the ban be abolished soon.

  35. I don’t agree with Kundeling as he is a Tulku and in our organization we don’t believe in the Tulku system nor recognize them.

  36. For Kelsang Jigme

    Then you don’t recognize nor agree with the new Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche teaching and initiating hundreds into the practice because he is a Tulku. He is teaching and respected on the very basis he is the reincarnation of Trijang Rinpoche the predecessor? You don’t believe highly realized beings can purposely reincarnate back and continue their works?

  37. @Atisha’s Cook

    I do believe in reincarnation but I don’t believe in the Tulku system. Many mistakes can be made and it can be a system that is abused. I don’t agree with Trijang Rinpoche teaching on the basis he is a Tulku.

  38. To Kelsang Jigme

    I don’t agree with your statement about tulkus in general. Trijang Rinpoche was recognized by the divination of a few high and esteemed lamas also formally recognized by the official Shugden oracle when he was alive in the monastery. If I am not mistaken Gandhen Monastery in South India. Everyone cannot be wrong. To say there is no such thing as tulkus is to say for hundreds of years all the saintly lamas who recognize tulkus of all four schools of Tibetan Buddhism are wrong. Dilgo Kyentse, Sakya Trizin, Gaden Tripa, Karmapa, Drigung Gyabgon, Penor Rinpoche, Ling Rinpoche all are wrong for finding, enthroning many Tulkus.

  39. Kundeling Rinpoche’s speech above has touched me deeply because I felt the deep sincerity and devotion from Him. Rinpoche speaks with confidence and fearlessly that arose from his firm conviction in his practice passed down from his guru.

    Please, all of us fool here, who are we to condemn, criticize, judge, disparage, chide and denounce all the High Lamas who practice Dorje Shugden? High Lamas HH Choktrul Trijang Rinpoche, Pabongka Rinpoche, Domo Geshe Rinpoche and even HHDL are reincarnated Buddhas, I believe you know the difference of a Buddha and human being, the fights and disagreement among us make us look stupid and it proves the existence of 3 poisons – greed, hatred and delusions. Since there are 3 poisons (the root of all problems) why not enlightened minds?

    People, surrender and trust the enlightened beings like Trijang Rinpoche and support them all the way. Yes you might say you’re highly educated and don’t abuse your human rights, but hey, we are no one compare to the High Lamas unless we’re attained. Watch our speech and actions, Karma is watching us. If you don’t like this particular protector, just do not visit this site and put ugly comments here to prove you’re right.

  40. Like what Kundeling Rinpoche has stated clearly:” why out of so many uncommon protectors, dorjeshugden has to be singled out?” Probably it’s because of its popularity that has caused jealousy and competition among us, the typical human problems??? Or the implication of this ban is to create a “havoc” that has opposite meaning – to make shugden more popular in a good way? If you’re smart enough, you might have already figured this. Being a Buddhist, we shall lessen our anger and hatred that lead to disharmony. Disharmony is destructive and criticism is ugly. If you have a family of your own, you wouldn’t want people to criticize how ugly your wife and husband look, how dumb your children are, because they are your choice. Likewise, please respect everyone here for their choice.

  41. I am both grateful & inspire by the works of Kundeling Rinpoche for his steadfastness & tireless efforts in working toward lifting the ban on Dorje Shugden, endangering himself, his students, wellfare of his monasteries with the hope restoring harmony among the Tibetan community & the practitioners of the Tibetan Buddhism in general.

    It was never the purpose of the great Proctector Dorje Shugden to cause schism, disharmony or physical harm to anyone and certainly not the Dalai Lama as he himself has bluntly put it. On the contrary, it was the ban on Dorje Shugden practice that has resulted all the above problems, especially among the Tibetan community in exile. Since Dorje Shugden is the uncommon protector of the Gelug tradition, by banning the practice of Dorje Shugden will greatly affect the spiritual progress of the Gelupas & hence hindered the spread of Lama Tsongkhapa teachings in the future. The only way is by lifting the ban, and the only person can do that is the Dalai Lama himself!

    I hope the Dalai Lama has not forgotten his lineage, all his gurus & those who had help him escape from Tibet, and quickly lift the ban for Lama Tsongkhapa’s teaching to continue flourishing swiftly. I wish Kundeling Rinpoche good health & long life, may he be always be protected by the great protector Dorje Shugden & continue his passion to teach & spread the pure lineage teaching of Lama Tsongkhapa wherever he goes.

  42. Hi Guys:

    Interesting discussion. I met many Tibetan lamas in China and some of them teach Shugden practices. Out of many rituals and practices, this deity had a lot of wrathful practices, some of these were composed by Trijang Rinpoche and Phabongka Rinpoche right. We were told that if we do anything against Lama Tsongkapa teaching this deity will get you. If this is the case.

    My question is if Shugden is indeed that powerful as we believe, why nothing is changing or happening for those who are destroying the Dharma. Shouldn’t the deity protect Dharma and us, rather than we protect the deity, the latter is the situation at hand right now.

    Shouldn’t the Deity be doing all the protesting and fighting somewhere in the sky to bring justice rather than the crazy nerd looking redneck hooligans, wearing Buddhist robes and dancing and jumping crazy in the street and yelling at people. This brings bad image to all the Buddhists, you idiots, if you don’t mind.

    I am not a follower of Dalai Lama but I felt that your deity should be doing all these jobs rather than you guys going crazy in the street. No Chinese buddhist would do this kind of action.

    Can’t you guys come up with more appealing approach, like silent meditation protest or long march, silent walking protest rather than going crazy and violent in the street. I had to keep my children away from you guys because I don’t want my children to hang-around with you guys, not mentioning about receiving and sharing teaching.

    I respect your rights, rights to practice whatever you want to practice but the approach needs to be more appealing, peaceful and not crazy drunken idiot-like drama.

  43. Yes, me and Tenzin Zopa work together a lot on this website to spread our lies and propaganda. Not sure why he’s so coy about admitting it.

  44. Liu xian, personally I do agree with you whole-heartedly. I have already posted on here asking the NKT people to stop behaving in such a ridiculous manner and bringing such shame and disrepute to our organization. However, some still turned up to make fools of themselves in Vancouver. Seems they are totally out of control these days. They need to go “on retreat”. I will try to get some letters out banning them all from the NKT soon and have them evicted and ostracised by the rest of the NKT community. I believe this would be the most loving and compassionate course of action towards them. They have too much pride and we will teach them a lesson by making them all homeless and ensuring that they are shunned by the pure NKT members.

  45. Gen Khyenrob, ahem! Surely some of the credit is mine too. Everyone in the know understands that I am the real powerhouse behind the NKT and the anti-Dalai Lama campaign. Heaven knows, if it weren’t for me Geshe-la would have remained some obscure monk languishing in the attic in Manjushri! Tzem Tulku and I have a lot in common – both of us are terrific charismatic bullshitting fakes. (Only joking!)

  46. Btw, in for a penny in for a pound is to speak…Soooo, if there are any sexy female readers who would like some one-to-one coaching in Tantra (wink, wink, say no more…) please send me a private message at [email protected]. Looking forward to hearing from you girls ;-) xxx

    p.s. I am not a monk any more so this time it should be OK. Phwoooarr!!

  47. This is preposterous. I’ll be telling my glorious spiritual guide about this and he’ll beat you all up. Especially you, Elliot. Jeez, I thought we were bad. You’re even more of an old fraud than HE Tenzin Sopa.

  48. I am the great HH Kundeling Lama Tulku Rinpoche. Listen to my wise words with awe and adoration you lowly fools. I am the great lama, the highest lama. There is no liar higher than me. Oops. It just slipped out.
    Damn.

  49. I don’t run this website. My students run it for me. Sharon Saw, sorry I mean Kay Beswick, does an excellent job at spreading my lies. propaganda and vitriol against HH Dalai Lama. I’m not allowed to do it because I use His Holiness’s image in my advertising and to bring new gullible members into my personality cult.

  50. Oi, Elliot, leave some for me. I like to get my snout in the trough, too. oink oink.

    While I’m here, could anyone recommend any good websites. I’ve worn all the other ones out, if you know what I mean. oink oink.

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.…Instead of turning away people who practise Dorje Shugden, we should be kind to them. Give them logic and wisdom without fear, then in time they give up the ‘wrong’ practice. Actually Shugden practitioners are not doing anything wrong. But hypothetically, if they are, wouldn’t it be more Buddhistic to be accepting? So those who have views against Dorje Shugden should contemplate this. Those practicing Dorje Shugden should forbear with extreme patience, fortitude and keep your commitments. The time will come as predicted that Dorje Shugden’s practice and it’s terrific quick benefits will be embraced by the world and it will be a practice of many beings.

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