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Out of curiosity I did a search on CTA’s website www.tibet.net for “shugden”, and a list came out, but when I tried to click on the links with Shugden as the main topic, for example “His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s Advice Concerning Dolgyal (Shugden)”, it only says “page not found”, same for a few other links with Shugden as the main topic (see pic attached).
Other articles which had been removed from CTA website include:
- “The Central Tibetan Administration’s position on the Shugden/Dholgyal followers from Tibet”
- “Statement by the CTA on Shugden/Dholgyal followers from Tibet”
- “Limitations on Shugden Should Sustain: His Holiness”
If the topic came out in search, but when you click on it it says “page not found”, it should mean that the article was originally there but was removed right?
Can someone else please verify this also? If this is true, good for you Kalon Tripa Dr. Lobsang Sangay! You have done the right thing for your government and people!
This means that CTA is now has been quietly separating state and church (religion). State is secular, government, people; church is religious issues, what you can and cannot practice…
There are still Shugden mentioned here and there in some articles, but those with Shugden as the main topic, had been removed. Those articles with Shugden mentioned are articles in which the majority of the content is not Shugden related, but Shugden is just being mentioned as a one-liner for example by Dalai Lama, Samdhong Rinpoche etc.
On those articles with Shugden as the main topic, it is also purely secular, like “Delhi High Court Dismisses Dorjee Shugden Devotees’ Charges”.
The trend is clear now, those news with Shugden QUOTED by other personnel like Dalai Lama is still there, those are QUOTED and it does not represent CTA’s stand on Shugden issue; those news which mentioned Shugden devotees pressing charges against Dalai Lama, those news about other people making allegations against Dalai Lama regarding Suhgden is still there; BUT, those articles that represent the STAND of CTA regarding Shugden, IS GONE.
Also, few years ago until sometime last year, there used to be an anti-shugden website with every materials against Shugden called www.antishugden.com, and the registrar record clearly showed that the website was made by Gangchen Kyishong (CTA) (see pic attached), the CTA blatantly didn’t bother to hide their identity in creating the anti-shugden website back then, but the website has since been shutdown and Gangchen Kyishong has abandoned the website altogether (see pic), this is another clear sign that the CTA has been changing their stand against Shugden!
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Also, the CTA some years ago had made an anti-shugden documentary video called “Dorjee Shugden, The Spirit and the Controversy” with clips accusing and embarrassing Shugden high lamas like Gangchen Rinpoche, and the latest check shows that it has also been removed from CTA’s official TV Station online (http://www.tibetonline.tv), it used to be there for the longest time. But now there are only three Shugden related videos on the TV station, two are Dalai Lama’s speech about Shugden, and another one made by Swiss TV. Again we can see that THE CTA HAS ABANDONED ALL MATERIALS ABOUT THEIR STAND AGAINST SHUGDEN. You still can see the original video “Dorjee Shugden, The Spirit and the Controversy” above.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE CTA HAS ABANDONED THEIR PREVIOUS STAND AGAINST SHUGDEN, WHICH IS TO PERSECUTE, TO BAN, TO OSTRACIZE, TO SIDELINE, TO OUTCAST SHUGDEN PRACTITIONERS!!!
Can we say that the ban against Shugden is half-lifted now?!?!
p/s “His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s Advice Concerning Dolgyal (Shugden)” still exists on Dalai Lama’s website (http://dalailama.com/messages/dolgyal-shugden/his-holiness-advice) but it means now it is only a spiritual issue, and a Dalai Lama’s “personal issue”, a good development for Shugden practitioners!
Comment by dsdisciple
The tibetan government in exile real motivation for toning down DS talk and overt things on their website?
My thinking is that their focus will be more and more towards actually secular affairs as already stated by HHDL.
Tibetans running their affairs on their own without HHDL in the equation and in the long run one would also assume without the substantial financial contributions from HHDL worldwide teaching tours and associated brand Dalai Lama.
Presently, funding is made up of worldwide relief organizations, western governments, private charitable trusts, private individuals, independence tax (green book) and recently (blue book) donations solicited by any pro HHDL individuals in the west.
A large proportion is contributed from HHDL teachings abroad (not sure of the exact percentage but think its around 30%). So what happens to CTA if they cannot count on HHDL funding when he is not around in the future?
Will large donors be as forthcoming with financial support and aide when no Dalai Lama?
How will the CTA handle PR situations when Dalai Lama not around? Presently no media or reporters do not report negatively about Dalai Lama because he is big News around the world, and the world cannot get enough of him (sells papers, tv ratings, national, international news) not hard to see why.
The real question is not what is the motivation behind the CTA/TGIE but is their actually a clear separation of Spiritual and Secular affairs.
Who is taking leadership of this from the CTA/TGIE side?
Newly Elected Prime Minister Dr Lobsang Sangye could issue a statement with these subtle changes on their website that the MAIN FOCUS OF THE CTA IS TO FOCUS ON SECULAR AFFAIRS TO BRING BENEFIT TO ALL TIBETANS IRREGARDLESS OF THE DS AFFAIR AND BRING PEACE OF MIND TO ALL TIBETANS.
If anyone can add to the trail of the Phantom Understated Finances within the CTA? (not very transparent in my humble oppinion).
Please excuse me a bit off topic but will post more on the 4question thread soon
I think we need to collectively keep up the pressure and focus the spotlight onto the CTA representatives and what they are doing in relation to what they stand for, which we all know they have not done in equal measure for DS practitioners worldwide and in India.
CTA your words of honour should match what you stand for! Actions and words should be one and the same. You want to be respected by the International Community (as a progressive Buddhist Country) FOCUS ONLY ON SECULAR MATTERS would be a good start.
When the Dalai Lama is not around I don’t think the world will be as forgiving for indiscretions against its own people examples of change around the world? examples Egypt / Middle East / Syria etc…I am not comparing CTA to these places? some might say Yes? But you can see how the media treats these issues because BAD NEWS also is BIG NEWS…just food for thought.
taken from the forum: /forum/index.php?topic=1739.60