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DharmaDefender

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27 minutes of Dorje Shugden
« on: January 13, 2014, 01:45:34 AM »
You know how holy texts are supposed to be treated with respect, and kept in high places, wrapped up nicely, free from dust etc? Well what does this photo say about what the monks think of the CTAs latest literary offering?



You got that right...the book that our dear Shartse Abbot offered to the Dalai Lama during the Lamrim teachings at Sera were found discarded all over the monastery. Even in the rubbish bins at times ::) maybe the Shartse Khenpo and CTA may find their books are more popular when the text is actually a Dharma text of some sort, instead of criticisms of a religious practice...

Anyway DorjeShugden.com has just published a new article on the Dalai Lamas 27-minute speech on Shugden given during the teachings. I thought he werent going to talk about it anymore? :o :o :o :o :o guess keeping :-X isnt as easy as putting your mind to it and getting it done!

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/27-minute-speech/

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Re: 27 minutes of Dorje Shugden
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2014, 06:51:34 AM »
This is the best way to response to acts that is meant to cause schism among the Sangha. Throw it into the rubbish. Because that is what it is.
How dare the Abbot of the Holy Gaden Shartse that was founded by Lama Tsongkhapa presents a schismatic book to His Holiness?!! I wonder what karma was created? No wonder many of the book was thrown away as rubbish. I rejoice for that.

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Re: 27 minutes of Dorje Shugden
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2014, 12:32:58 PM »
The Dalai Lama's speech is unbelievable rubbish. It's Trijang Rinpoche who said that Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen was asked by Nechung to become a Dharma Protector, so again he's saying that his Guru is wrong!

His extensive investigation consisted of selectively reading the 5th Dalai Lama's biography, some dreams and throwing dough balls? The Gelugpa tradition is famed for its incisive use of logic - obviously not in this case! Why is the Dalai Lama telling these lies? There are also stories that he was the one who was wrongly selected to be the Fourteenth Dalai Lama so he should be careful whose reputation he tries to denigrate.

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Re: 27 minutes of Dorje Shugden
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2014, 05:13:16 PM »
Well the Gaden Shartse Abbott should be grateful that his text is not tied to the tail of the dog.  I suppose it is good they have spent their money on something so useless that the text is discarded just like that. It was bad in the beginning, bad in the middle and bad at the end this was the action of the Abbott who tried to defame Dorje Shugden once more.

I just feel there is such a huge difference in the way the Shartse Abott conducts his campaign against Dorje Shugden and how this website comes up with its content. One is so sloppy and just get the job done, and www.dorjeshugden.com is about coming with something beneficial for the people there is pride in what the website produces.

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Re: 27 minutes of Dorje Shugden
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2014, 09:35:17 AM »
Yes, many monks think such political rhetoric and that this anti-shugden book is just rubbish. The monks at large are really fed up and they have even lesser regard for the Shartse Abbot for producing such a book. He must be out of his scholarly mind. Perhaps, in favour of political favor, he would gladly renounce his beliefs and years of scholar learning. This is very sad for him and his teachers. So much has been invested in him and this is what he produced.

In the old tradition of Nalanda and the other great indian monastic universities, texts that were less than perfect in terms of content or grammar are tied to a dogs tail and allowed the text and the author to be disgraced in this manner. All texts must go through yogis and scholars to check through its content before it is hailed to be a worthy text to be relied on.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

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Re: 27 minutes of Dorje Shugden
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2014, 07:19:46 PM »
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His extensive investigation consisted of selectively reading the 5th Dalai Lama's biography, some dreams and throwing dough balls? The Gelugpa tradition is famed for its incisive use of logic - obviously not in this case!

Extremely pertinent point. Je Tsongkhapa is known for having dismissed even his repeated pure visions of Manjushri, until they were endorsed by his holy guru. Now comes this charlatan and dismisses the instructions of his holy guru just because of alleged ”dreams” and ”dough balls”!

Therefore, time is long overdue for Gelugpas to get rid of this corrupt and illegitimate leadership and reassert their faithfulness to the pure tradition of Je Tsongkhapa, based as it is in pure guru devotion.

Exactly as Kagyupas, Sakyapas and Nyingmapas choose their leadership without owing explanations to the evil dalai, so should do the Gelugpas, unless they want to put their precious tradition at the service of the dirtiest politics. In such case, Gelugpas themselves, not the evil dalai, will be responsible for the destruction of their own tradition.

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Re: 27 minutes of Dorje Shugden
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2014, 09:48:47 PM »
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How dare the Abbot of the Holy Gaden Shartse that was founded by Lama Tsongkhapa presents a schismatic book to His Holiness?!!

How could the ridiculous abbot ever ”present” the schismatic book, if the schismatic book had not been ordered by the evil dalai in the first place?

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Re: 27 minutes of Dorje Shugden
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2014, 10:23:18 PM »
The dirty deed in its illogic attempt of rewriting an authentic lineage absolutely did not garner much support from the monks and the assembly.  Hence, the rewritten garbage ended up as rubbish littering the compound at the end of the talk.  This strongly indicates the sentiments of the assembly of sanghas.  They are unreluctantly dominated by a strong dictatorship to become anti-Shugden by no choice of their own.  As it is apparent, most of the sanghas are undercover Shugden practitioners.  Externally they have to put up with an appearance of supporting the ban but internally they are quietly practising Shugden.  The Dalai Lama and the CTA are certainly fooled by external appearance!  What a waste of money and time invested in this dirty deed.

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Re: 27 minutes of Dorje Shugden
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2014, 05:14:04 AM »
The way the texts were thrown everywhere and was untidy reflects the true sentiments of the sangha who attended the particular teaching on that day. I agreed with Icy what many of the sangha are actually "undercover" Shugden practitioners all along never forsaking the preciousness of the teachings and practice of Lama Tsongkhapa, to preserve it especially during this degenerate age. We need this teaching the most for everyone who is lost in this world to save our being and not be suck under the wave of "superficial ism".

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Re: 27 minutes of Dorje Shugden
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2014, 07:16:04 AM »
Dear JSPITANGA,

You are free to speak as you will, and considering the circumstances I understand how the actions of others can bend us out of shape, but I would like to comment on your continual reference - here and elsewhere -  to the Dalai Lama with derogatory terms such as "evil dalai".

If we are genuinely interested in accomplishing realizations, we should know that the only appropriate minds to generate towards others are those contained in Sutra or Tantra. Seriously, this is no laughing matter to be brushed aside. If a supposed "practitioner" of the holy Dharma does not have respect for the Dalai Lama as a holy being, then what is the next option? He is our kind Mother unceasingly tormented by the three sufferings, and we should have love and compassion for him, especially for the heavy negative karma he is creating if he isn't in fact an emanation of Dorje Shugden himself. There are a vast number of realizations that the ban and the Dalai Lama and his supporters should be causing to arise within our minds. If it is not, if you do not feel fierce renunciation, love, patience, compassion, bodhichitta, strong effort to concentrate on emptiness and the two tantric stages, my gosh, we have certainly missed the point entirely!

Our speech is mind and inner wind. It has power. In fact, if you examine closely over time after reflecting on teachings about the two truths, you will understand how our speech is creating our reality.

Bottom line, if the Dalai Lama is not a holy being for you, then understand how living beings are not their delusions, but are being tormented by their inner enemies. Everyone has a heart of gold and is worthy of our respect, and that includes not speaking in a slanderous manner, name calling, or belittling the beautiful being that they are, our precious kind mother giving us fuel for realization. Such kindness is begging you to deepen your inner experience!

The meaning of life is realization. Please be careful about the reality you create for yourself.

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Re: 27 minutes of Dorje Shugden
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2014, 07:39:55 AM »
JSPITANGA,

Don't get me wrong, if people are lying or being hypocritical with the words and actions, sometimes we have to call them out on being a liar or hypocrite so they will see the error in their ways, but to call someone evil will become a huge obstacle in our ability to generate the realizations of the path.

If we are contradicting the Dharma, we are encouraged to generate a sense of shame and change our actions through moral discipline. If we consider ourselves a "practitioner" or a "Buddhist", we should feel ashamed of ourselves if we are contributing in any way to the increase of suffering, the degeneration of BuddhaDharma, and littering our path to enlightenment with obstacles. These are two mental factors that everyone need: sense of shame & sense of consideration.

This is the Kali Yuga. Dorje Shugden is turning up the flames. Now is the time to burn up wrong inner paths, Now! Seriously, we're all almost dead!

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Re: 27 minutes of Dorje Shugden
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2014, 10:56:37 PM »
Dear psylotripitaka, thanks for having taken the time to read my posts.

In my dictionary, ”evil” means that which ”impairs the happiness of a being or deprives a being of any good; anything which causes suffering of any kind to sentient beings.”

I find it a suitable description for the evil dalai.

Otherwise, I agree with your point that the evil dalai deserves compassion, just like any evil person.

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Re: 27 minutes of Dorje Shugden
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2014, 11:23:12 PM »
The 27 minute speech of HH Dalai Lama seemed to be incendiary enough to have led to the violence inflicted on an elderly attendant of the previous incarnation of Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche at Trijang Ladrang in the dead of night.More such actions may follow.

The circumstances seem to come together in a conspiracy to support the continuation of the ban. Only a while ago, the Dalai Lama had publicly stated that he was going not say anything re Dorje Shugden in public.And now this...   

Why was a book against Dorje Shugden being launched by the Dalai Lama as well, during the same teachings at Sera Mey to which He had earlier sent the abbots to invite Trijang Rinpoche?On the surface it might seem like a retaliation. However, to me , this goes deeper.

Why this renewed vigor in the criticism and attack on Shugden supporters and practitioners? Again why this tirade against Shugden by Dalai Lama and the Chairman of the Geluk International Foundation?

Are we to just sit and watch things happen? No, it just must means that we have to do more , via, this website, to bring the ban down.

 

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Re: 27 minutes of Dorje Shugden
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2014, 07:00:54 PM »
I guess a lot of people saw it as RUBBISH!!!

This book is pure evidence for us to show the world that the Dorje Shugden ban is pure discrimination and is against religious freedom of all human! If a Tibetan Buddhist society can do, if their spiritual leader can do this, someone who is well known for peace speeches can do this, then who else can we really trust really? This book that the silly Gaden Shartse Abbot has published may just be our ticket to proving to the world the hypocrisy of it all.

No other religion or leaders of a country has ever created a book that talks openly why another faith or belief is deemed wrong? It is WRONG to begin with to do that... ethically, politically, spiritually on all grounds WRONG!



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Re: 27 minutes of Dorje Shugden
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2014, 08:22:36 AM »
This picture clearly tells us the reactions of the participants of the Lamrim teaching! The newly launched book is considered nothing sacred or valuable but a mere rubbish!

The anti-shugden camp had ended up with such a pathetic state.  It is beyond foolish to come up with another attempt to stop Shugdenpas from their practice.

Shugdenpas have been able to refute without any doubt point by point of what the anti-shugden camp had said wrongly about Dorje Shugden! What else do you need before you concede that you were completely wrong?

The anti-Shugden camp had made a huge mockery of the Tibetan Buddhism for many years already through this ban! What more damage or disrepute do you want to bring to Tibetan Buddhism in general and the incomparable teaching of Lama Tsongkhapa and Dorje Shugden?

The effort and kindness of so many buddhas, bodhisattvas, lineage lamas, Dharma protectors, practitioners and even HH Dalai Lama who had worked tirelessly to spread the Virtuous Tradition will be wasted if the hypocrisy and idiosyncrasy surrounding this ban continue.

If the anti-Shugden camp chose to continue with their ban on Dorje Shugden, go form your own lineage that has nothing to do with Dorje Shugden.

Let the Shugdenpas continue to preserve their pure Dorje Shugden lineage. Stop harassing the Shugdenpas! Stop creating disharmony! Stop confusing the public and damaging the Dharma!

Let the ban on Dorje Shugden end now.