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Zemey Rinpoche's Incarnation Receives DS initiation
« on: July 29, 2012, 12:34:57 PM »
Kyabje Zemey Choktrul Rinpoche receives Dorje Shugden initiation (sogtae) with two other young Tulkus from Lama Jampa Ngodrup at Yangding (Shugden) Monastery in Daocheng County, Sichuan, China. Thousands that day received Dorje Shugden's sacred initiation also after four days of sacred Lam Rim teachings by Lama Jampa Ngodrup. Can see the large crowds that excitedly attended the Lam Rim teachings and Shugden initiation (photo below).

This young incarnation of Zemey Rinpoche is now officially reconnecting with his protector of many lifetimes through this initiation. Remember Zemey Rinpoche was the root guru of the current Dalai Lama's translator Geshe Thupten Jinpa. His Holiness Dalai Lama rejects Zemey Rinpoche, yet takes his student as his translator.

Kyabje Zemey Rinpoche is well sought after Tulku in Tibet and belongs to the same Monastery as His Holiness Gaden Trisur Rinpoche who resides in France.

We rejoice Zemey Rinpoche's incarnation re-connects with Dorje Shugden. It shows clearly if you practice Shugden you do not go to the Three Lower Realms as the CTA would like us to believe. The Tulku system is alive, well and very much sought after in Tibet. Many lamas, teachers and people place great hopes in these great Tulkus who have been incarnating with full control life after life to benefit the Buddha Dharma.

Of course there are many level of Tulkus and attainments. It is wonderful to see Kyabje Zemey Rinpoche returning to us and walking in the footsteps of his great predecessors.

Mana

See video of Zemey Rinpoche's much anticipated enthronement ceremony at Yangding Monastery: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=376


(INTERESTING NOTE-
Story told by Zemey Rinpoche's changtso himself:
The previous Zemey Rinpoche escaped to India together with the Dalai Lama, when in India, Zemey Rinpoche established the monastic education including arranging the syllabus. Trijang Rinpoche then was aging, so Trijang Rinpoche told the monks in Gaden openly that Zemey Rinpoche's knowledge and attainments are the same as his, so he said the monks should go and invite Zemey Rinpoche to teach in Gaden and be their guru. Trijang Rinpoche's students then went to invite Zemey Rinpoche with hand-written letter by Trijang Rinpoche, Zemey Rinpoche sent an application letter to Dalai Lama and then went straight to Gaden to assume his position without waiting for Dalai Lama's approval. Later Dalai Lama went to Gaden, and Zemey Rinpoche had written a book about DS and monks were distributing it, every monk had it, but it was not given to the Dalai Lama because Dalai Lama had started to speak against DS. So the Dalai Lama was upset about this and started to suppress and ostracize Zemey Rinpoche. Then after Trijang Rinpoche passed away, Dalai Lama completely ousted Zemey Rinpoche and openly spoke against a great teacher like Zemey Rinpoche. Zemey Rinpoche was recommended by Dalai Lama's own guru Trijang Rinpoche himself. )

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Lama Jampa Ngodrup confers initiation of Shugden onto Zemey Rinpoche
Lama Jampa Ngodrup confers initiation/teachings at Yangding Monastery
Crowds at Yangding Monastery receiving Shugden initiation from Lama Jampa Ngodrup
Lama Jampa Ngodrup with His Holiness Gaden Trisur Rinpoche Lungrik Namgyal
Lama Jampa Ngodrup with His Eminence Yongyal Ripoche (Abbot of Serpom Monastery)
His Holiness Gaden Trisur Rinpoche, Zemey Rinpoche and Geshe Tendar
Zemey Rinpoche (red robes) on the entourage to visit Beijing with HH Dalai Lama & Tutors
Young Zemey Rinpoche incarnation with Yongyal Rinpoche and Lama Jampa Ngodrup
Lama Jampa Ngodrup at Yangding Monastery


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Re: Zemey Rinpoche's Incarnation Receives DS initiation
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2012, 01:53:29 PM »
This is incredible news and I find that Zemey Rinpoche's previous incarnation was one of the most famous DS Lamas in the world. It was just incredibly amazing that after the propagation of Dorje Shugden and practice, he didn't take rebirth in the 3 lower realms because he broke his refuge.

In fact, Zemey Rinpoche was very respectful of the Dalai Lama and even when the Dalai Lama manifested anger towards him, he never lost faith. Zemey Rinpoche was not allowed into the Dalai Lama's teaching hall. So he prostrated outside of the teaching hall for the duration of the teaching. That was what I heard about this great Lama. If he can maintain such view of the Dalai Lama under such circumstances, why can't we?
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2012, 03:21:14 PM »
This is indeed fantastic news! How wonderful that Zemey Rinpoche is carrying on the propogation of Dorje Shugden life after life. And to even think that one can reincarnate back into the Dharma after supposedly propagating a demon... something as "simple" as this should quell the rumours but alas, some tend to only see what they want to see.

Evidence is clear as daylight in the examples of all these highly revered Dorje Shugden Lamas returning life after life!

Some nice pics: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=11785

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Re: Zemey Rinpoche's Incarnation Receives DS initiation
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2012, 03:59:29 PM »
PC, hit the nail on the head mate. Let me just pull this off the Facebook post from Eli:

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The hells can never accept high lamas like Trijang DorjeChang, Denma Gonsa, Zemey Rinpoche, Zong DorjeChang, Dagom Rinpoche because they have developed bodhicitta in their mindstreams and all of this lamas are high level bodhisattvas. Remember any bodhisattva above 3 rd level bhuni cannot regress anymore, how can they go down to hell? They might go down with control and start freeing the beings of hells from their ‘cages’ like how Ksitigarbha does. Also if one has reached 3rd level bhuni and above they do not need to rely on the dharma protectors anymore they are perfectly capable of taking care of the rest of their spiritual path.

So if they are high level bodhisattvas, then they would have the ability to discern as a fact whether Dorje Shugden is a spirit or not. Since we DO believe they are high level bodhisattvas, how come they continue to propitiate Dorje Shugden? If Dorje Shugden is a spirit, why do they continue to propitiate a spirit?

If thats the case (if Dorje Shugden were a spirit), then maybe they arent bodhisattvas because their aaaall making a big mistake...in which case, why do their reincarnations keep popping up time and time again, despite their practices?

Odder and odder.

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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2012, 04:06:12 PM »
May Kyabje Zemey Choktrul Rinpoche live long and lead us all to fields of bliss!

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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2012, 04:45:38 PM »
Thank you for this wonderful and faith affirmation news on young Kyabje Zemey Choktrul Rinpoche receiving initiation in Shugden Monastery, Sichuan.  Shugdenpa Tulkus are reincarnating again to continue their work to spread Dorje Shugden! This only confirms the genuine motivation of the Dalai Lama banning Dorje Shugden practice for the bigger goal. 

It is apparent that the Dalai Lama is using his status and fame to promote Dorje Shugden to the whole wide world to greatly benefit many when he effected the ban.  By shouting the ban on Dorje Shugden and creating upheavals, the Dalai Lama skillfully and swiftly draws attention to DS beyond the Buddhist community by large thus planting imprints in them to be fertilised in the near future.  If the Dalai Lama could have 10,000 people attending his teachings and initiations, he could have a figure far exceeding this 10,000 people practising Dorje Shugden eventually.  I cannot figure out at this point in time who else in this world as Buddhist monk who could command this popularity as the Dalai Lama.

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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2012, 04:50:10 PM »
Yes, may Kyabje Zemey Choktrul Rinpoche live long!!! 

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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2012, 05:04:11 PM »
PC, hit the nail on the head mate. Let me just pull this off the Facebook post from Eli:

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The hells can never accept high lamas like Trijang DorjeChang, Denma Gonsa, Zemey Rinpoche, Zong DorjeChang, Dagom Rinpoche because they have developed bodhicitta in their mindstreams and all of this lamas are high level bodhisattvas. Remember any bodhisattva above 3 rd level bhuni cannot regress anymore, how can they go down to hell? They might go down with control and start freeing the beings of hells from their ‘cages’ like how Ksitigarbha does. Also if one has reached 3rd level bhuni and above they do not need to rely on the dharma protectors anymore they are perfectly capable of taking care of the rest of their spiritual path.

In other words they are not making any mistakes and that in fact Dorje Shugden is not a demon spirit and well emmm if He is then why are so many of these High Lamas who yes we agree are Bodhisattvas be so blind and wrong. If they are wrong then all the lineage Lamas are wrong, their students are wrong too... hence His Holiness the Dalai Lama is wrong too... so why even bother taking initiations from His Holoness and even follow His advice on a Ban that could be wrong?

Certainly food for thought!...and the fact they keep popping up lol x

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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2012, 10:04:45 PM »
HH Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang has mentioned in his life that He has two spiritual sons who are close to him at heart, one is HH Zemey Rinpoche and the other is HH Zong Rinpoche. It is indeed Zemey Rinpoche is  a highly evolved being and if there was ever a reason for them to go to hell, the only reason would be to turn hell into a Pure Land!!!

It is exhilliarating news to hear that the current incarnation of this High and elite Tulku has once again showed signs of reestablishing his spiritual journey by reconnecting with his Dharma Protector of many life times. It would be a huge confirmation that this Lama will bring the blessings of Dorje Shugden to many in the future when the time is ripe.

May Kyabje Zemey Choktrul Rinpoche live a long, healthy and strong life to bring happiness to sentient beings!
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2012, 11:35:48 AM »
Most Excellent I look forward to seeing many great things from Zemey Tulku in the future :)

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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2012, 04:43:55 PM »
Kyabje Zemey Choktrul Rinpoche receives Dorje Shugden initiation (sogtae) with two other young Tulkus from Lama Jampa Ngodrup at Yangding (Shugden) Monastery in Daocheng County, Sichuan, China. Thousands that day received Dorje Shugden's sacred initiation also after four days of sacred Lam Rim teachings by Lama Jampa Ngodrup. Can see the large crowds that excitedly attended the Lam Rim teachings and Shugden initiation (photo below).

This young incarnation of Zemey Rinpoche is now officially reconnecting with his protector of many lifetimes through this initiation. Remember Zemey Rinpoche was the root guru of the current Dalai Lama's translator Geshe Thupten Jinpa. His Holiness Dalai Lama rejects Zemey Rinpoche, yet takes his student as his translator.

Kyabje Zemey Rinpoche is well sought after Tulku in Tibet and belongs to the same Monastery as His Holiness Gaden Trisur Rinpoche who resides in France.

We rejoice Zemey Rinpoche's incarnation re-connects with Dorje Shugden. It shows clearly if you practice Shugden you do not go to the Three Lower Realms as the CTA would like us to believe. The Tulku system is alive, well and very much sought after in Tibet. Many lamas, teachers and people place great hopes in these great Tulkus who have been incarnating with full control life after life to benefit the Buddha Dharma.
This is really a very touching moment. Why? because it shows us for sure that Dorje Shugden will not abandon us and will follow us from life after life and that is really a protector that will protect us until we achieve irreversible Bodhicitta. And Dorje Shugden delivers what he promised as we can see here with Zemey Rinpoche.

Of course there are many level of Tulkus and attainments. It is wonderful to see Kyabje Zemey Rinpoche returning to us and walking in the footsteps of his great predecessors.

Mana

See video of Zemey Rinpoche's much anticipated enthronement ceremony at Yangding Monastery: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=376


(INTERESTING NOTE-
Story told by Zemey Rinpoche's changtso himself:
The previous Zemey Rinpoche escaped to India together with the Dalai Lama, when in India, Zemey Rinpoche established the monastic education including arranging the syllabus. Trijang Rinpoche then was aging, so Trijang Rinpoche told the monks in Gaden openly that Zemey Rinpoche's knowledge and attainments are the same as his, so he said the monks should go and invite Zemey Rinpoche to teach in Gaden and be their guru. Trijang Rinpoche's students then went to invite Zemey Rinpoche with hand-written letter by Trijang Rinpoche, Zemey Rinpoche sent an application letter to Dalai Lama and then went straight to Gaden to assume his position without waiting for Dalai Lama's approval. Later Dalai Lama went to Gaden, and Zemey Rinpoche had written a book about DS and monks were distributing it, every monk had it, but it was not given to the Dalai Lama because Dalai Lama had started to speak against DS. So the Dalai Lama was upset about this and started to suppress and ostracize Zemey Rinpoche. Then after Trijang Rinpoche passed away, Dalai Lama completely ousted Zemey Rinpoche and openly spoke against a great teacher like Zemey Rinpoche. Zemey Rinpoche was recommended by Dalai Lama's own guru Trijang Rinpoche himself. )
I have heard of a conflicting version of this story, where Zemey Rinpoche narrated the contents of the yellow book to Thutben Jinpa, but never meant for it to be published, It was meant as an oral narration and not as a publication, but Thutben Jinpa published it anyway against the wishes of Zemey Rinpoche and he stopped teaching immediately after that. The way the Yellow book was phrased/translated does not appear to be what a learned scholar would write at all which is what made this version plausible. (And by the miraculous power of Dorje Shugden...what miraculous power?) At the same time, the Dalai Lama was extremely unhappy with the yellow book and started the based on the yellow book. So, which is the real story behind the yellow book?



To me, it is rather interesting for the Dalai Lama to go against a Lama that is of the same level of his own root guru, because would it not mean that he is going against his own Guru too? Why would he want to do that? But what I am glad is that he is back despite whatever political mess that Dharamsala has cooked up for him in his past life and definite proof that. You can never stop a real lama from reincarnating, ever.

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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2012, 09:37:27 AM »
It certainly is great news to know the reconnection of Zemey Rinpoche with Dorje Shugden.  This goes to show that Zemey Rinpoche must have practiced Dorje Shugden with great faith in his previous incarnation and is continuing the holy practice to benefit so many others in the future. Despite the ban by HHDL and being ousted for writing a book about Dorje Shugden and having it passed to monks in Gaden, Zemey Rinpoche continued the Dorje Shugden practice and even received Dorje Shugden’s initiation.

As mentioned by many above, this proves the theory that Shugden practitioners will take rebirth in the 3 lower realms WRONG. Zemey Rinpoche must have practiced Dorje Shugen very strongly in his previous incarnations to have such great faith and there must be a good reason why the current incarnation took rebirth in Tibet and not in India. May Zemey Rinpoche live long and continue to spread Dorje Shugden’s teachings far and wide. I am looking forward to the day for HHDL to lift the ban and by that time, millions would already be practicing. How wonderful is that? I can’t help but think that HHDL must have a bigger reason behind this ban. Or else, everyone is wrong, including HHDL himself. How can all the lineage masters be WRONG?     
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2012, 02:38:29 PM »
The young Kyabje Zemey Choktrul Rinpoche shows us here that compassionate Masters will return again and again to benefit all beings. Kyabje Zemey Choktrul Rinpoche is receiving Dorje Shugden initiation at his monastery in Kham, Yangding Monastery.So he is reconnecting with the protector of his previous incarnation, establishing the point that together with Dorje Shugden, he has been able to control his rebirth and return to his monastery.

We are told that Zemey Rinpoche and 1000s of others who were receiving the Dorje Shugden initiation had undergone "four days of sacred Lamrim teachings" before this. Both the initiation and the teachings were conducted by a great Master of the Gelug Lineage, Lama Jampa Ngodrup. So the study and practice of Lamrim goes hand-in-hand with the practice of Shugden. This reiterates the fact that Shugden practice enhances the Lamrim practice of a practitioner.Indeed the Lamrim Lineage is also the Shugden lineage, closer to our times. Gelug practitioners  have received the Lamrim teachings and the practice of Shugden through the same great lineage Masters - Pabongka Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche, Zong Rinpoche, Zemey Rinpoche, Lama Yeshe, Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, to name a few.So how can it be denied that Dorje Shugden is the Protector of Je Tsongkapa's teachings and the Gelug Lineage teachings?

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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2012, 10:41:08 AM »
This is such good news. Zemey Rinpoche might be still young but he is on the right path.

I remember when a friend of mine had an audience with the young Zemey Rinpoche, his room was filled with a lot of Trijang Rinpoche & Yongyal Rinpoche (his current teacher now). Every steps of this young Zemey Rinpoche does especially with the monastery education is with the guidance of great Gelugpa masters.

I have heard that when he reached a certain age soon, he will be transfered to another monastery for his further education in Sichuan province also.

I hope to read more good new about this and it does not matter what HH & CTA wants to do cause this young lama will have powerful backing from great Gelugpa masters and also indirectly, the Chinese government.

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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2012, 03:26:58 PM »
We know that CTA and those anti-Shugden people are reading this website.

How do you explain this and other facts that this site are compassionately providing?
Why deny facts?
Why keep singing the same old tune that Dorje Shugden is a demon that harms people and shortens their lives?

Is it fear of being branded traitors?

Why can't CTA work towards uniting Tibetans and Vajrayana practitioners by lifting the ban? Then CTA would have the respect and support of Tibetans and non-Tibetans who believe in human rights and religious freedom in CTA's quest to form a team of delegates to dialogue with China.

United CTA stand, divided CTA fall.