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USA doesn’t accept Tibetan refugees any more
« on: April 26, 2018, 06:21:50 AM »
Oh my goodness.... has anyone read this article??! What the Tibetan Exiled Govt does not want you to know http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/what-the-tibetan-exiled-govt-does-not-want-you-to-know/

This is really too too bad, even if they have the money Tibetans can no longer simply go to America anymore! The YELLOW BOOK is an invalid travel documents and CTA's is keep very quiet about all this! So all their big bullying tactics not to give you this Yellow Book if you are Shugden practitioner, is now really just BS because it is NOT even recognise by the US. I bet more countries will follow suit as they align themselves with China more and sees Tibet as part of China. So what the hack is CTA going to do about this? Why should Tibetan continue to pay their taxes to the CTA then? Might as well quickly become Indian citizen & pay India text. That makes a whole lot more sense and better for Tibetan's future, but they better hurry as India is also giving them the cold shoulder more and more lately.


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Good summary comment from a Tenzin Tsundue:

Since Trump took office, the Tibetan yellow book has not been accepted by the American embassy in Delhi. No matter how strong a Tibetan’s accompanying documents are, the second they present their yellow book to the visa officer, their application is rejected. A friend of mine went to the American embassy himself to confirm this.

He said it’s because the US government knows what the Tibetans have been doing i.e. go to the US and throw away their passports, and apply for asylum / young Tibetan girls overstay and get married to American men / young Tibetan guys overstay and work in restaurants, etc.

As a result, more Tibetans are aiming for Europe which is easier to get into compared to America, but it is not as easy as before. Nowadays, to get to Europe, it costs Rs24 lakh (approximately USD36,255.51). On top of that, they can’t fly directly into Europe anymore and have to go a long, roundabout way.

First, Tibetans get a fake Indian passport and travel to Bangkok. They remain there for 15 days, where they throw away their Indian passport and another agent gets them a Thai passport. They use this to travel to Turkey where they remain for another few days, before traveling to Greece. After spending a few days in Greece, they travel to Spain. Once they’re in Western Europe, it’s easy for them to go anywhere else. Many of them end up in France.

The entire journey takes about one month (whereas in the past they could have flown from India directly to France). Some Tibetans who don’t have enough money to complete the journey, find themselves stuck in Turkey or Greece until they can raise the funds.

Many Tibetans, especially the older ones, are selling their homes in the settlements to fund this journey. If they have enough money, the whole family goes. If they don’t have enough money, they send just their kids. Basically, they have lost hope and confidence in the CTA, and are worried about what will happen when His Holiness the Dalai Lama passes. They feel that Indian government might kick them out, force them to become Indian citizens, etc.

If they can’t get to Europe, then they try Canada, Australia, etc. They will keep trying anywhere until they find a place that will accept them. In the worst case scenario, they go to Nepal because Nepal has more freedom. This is not because the Nepali government gives them more freedom; the Tibetans feel that Nepal has more freedom because it is out of the control of the CTA. Worse comes to worst, if all else fails, then they will apply for Indian citizenship.

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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2018, 01:28:33 PM »
Imagine things coming to such a head for the Tibetan leadership! They had ostracised and discriminated against the Tibetan Dorje Shugden practitioners by not issuing the (then coveted )Yellow Book to them. Now the Yellow Book is worth nothing as the USA does not recognize it any more. Tibetan cannot enter the USA anymore. More and more countries are likely to reject them like the USA.

 They had refused to allow Dorje Shugden practitioners to gain employment in government departments and offices. Now less and less Tibetans want to work for the government and these departments are experiencing a grave shortage of staff. Schools that were barred to the children of Dorje Shugden practitioners are now experiencing more and more empty classrooms. Even the Tibetan population in the Tibetan Refugee Settlements is fast decreasing.

The reason is that more and more Tibetans are running away from the rule of the CTA. Many are heading for other countries including Nepal. Many are going back to Tibet and Tibetans in Tibet, China, are not making their way to India anymore.Some Tibetans have also started becoming Indian citizens, just to get out of the reach of the Tibetan Leadership, with whom they are greatly disillusioned for not having helped to alleviate their economic conditions,for their mass corruption, as well as for their not having lifted a finger to help realize their dream of a free Tibet.

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2018, 12:20:49 AM »
How can you claim to be a refugee when you are a Tibetan born in India and have a right to Indian Citizenship and an Indian Passport?

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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2018, 12:42:35 AM »
Thanks for sharing this article which point out the current dire state of affairs with CTA. Considering that CTA has done nothing to improve the welfare of Tibetans after all these years, can you really blame the Tibetans for losing faith in a government that only deliver empty promises? Especially when it is obvious that those not under the rule of CTA fare so much better.

Even those who remained in Tibet under the communist rule of China evidently have much more freedom to develop their abilities and opportunity to use them to their fullest. Examples include Jampa Rigzin (Justin Qiangbarenzeng) who was signed by the Boston Red Sox baseball team after graduating from China’s Major League Baseball development center; Dowa Tsekyi, a Tibetan singer and actress who has found success throughout China; Han Hong, also known as Yangchen Drolma, who is a hugely popular singer in China was born in Chamdo etc

Hence, Tibetans are no longer inclined to leave Tibet. In fact, those who are in India are clamouring to free themselves from CTA – paying a fortune to gamble for asylums at Western countries who hasn’t shut the door to Tibetans; opting for citizenship in India or Nepal and even returning to Tibet.

All because the self-serving CTA who have vested interest to keep the Tibetans downtrodden, calculatedly supress and sabotage any opportunities for Tibetan refugees in India and Nepal may have to be successful. The exiled Tibetans have to remain as ‘refugees’ for CTA to collect more aid money and refugee kickbacks in India itself. How else would you explain decades of lack of world-famous Tibetans in any secular field from out of so many (easily at least 150,000) refugees in India and Nepal, but hear quite a lot of success cases from their brothers and sisters in Tibet?

In addition, Tibetan refugees are aware of the shift in India's approach towards China and have generally wizen up to the fact that time is indeed running out for CTA. Sadly, CTA remain unrepentent and still not doing anything positive to salvage such precarious situation.

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2018, 05:50:01 PM »
Thanks for sharing this article which point out the current dire state of affairs with CTA. Considering that CTA has done nothing to improve the welfare of Tibetans after all these years, can you really blame the Tibetans for losing faith in a government that only deliver empty promises? Especially when it is obvious that those not under the rule of CTA fare so much better.

Even those who remained in Tibet under the communist rule of China evidently have much more freedom to develop their abilities and opportunity to use them to their fullest. Examples include Jampa Rigzin (Justin Qiangbarenzeng) who was signed by the Boston Red Sox baseball team after graduating from China’s Major League Baseball development center; Dowa Tsekyi, a Tibetan singer and actress who has found success throughout China; Han Hong, also known as Yangchen Drolma, who is a hugely popular singer in China was born in Chamdo etc

Hence, Tibetans are no longer inclined to leave Tibet. In fact, those who are in India are clamouring to free themselves from CTA – paying a fortune to gamble for asylums at Western countries who hasn’t shut the door to Tibetans; opting for citizenship in India or Nepal and even returning to Tibet.

All because the self-serving CTA who have vested interest to keep the Tibetans downtrodden, calculatedly supress and sabotage any opportunities for Tibetan refugees in India and Nepal may have to be successful. The exiled Tibetans have to remain as ‘refugees’ for CTA to collect more aid money and refugee kickbacks in India itself. How else would you explain decades of lack of world-famous Tibetans in any secular field from out of so many (easily at least 150,000) refugees in India and Nepal, but hear quite a lot of success cases from their brothers and sisters in Tibet?

In addition, Tibetan refugees are aware of the shift in India's approach towards China and have generally wizen up to the fact that time is indeed running out for CTA. Sadly, CTA remain unrepentent and still not doing anything positive to salvage such precarious situation.

You are most welcome. AND yes I've heard that Tibetans are really making it big over there in China's Tibet.  It is no wonder there's no more influx of Tibetans coming to India. In fact, Tibetans are dying to get out of India but unfortunately, they cannot go to their favourite land of the FREE no more.

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2018, 06:55:13 PM »
North, south, east west Home is best. This phrase best sums up what the Tibetans could be feeling. We all know that China poured in its millions to develop Tibet. So Tibet have modernized tremendously under China and will reach greater heights.

So why would any Tibetans want to stay in India.

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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2018, 04:48:34 PM »
After 60 years, how many Tibetans are real refugees? Many Tibetans are born and raised in India, they should not be considered refugees anymore. Why should the US or European countries give them asylum? 

If they want to be a citizen of a country, India should be their first choice since they have been in India for the past 60 years. India is ready to accept them as a part of India. However, most Tibetans still prefer to go to the US or Europe.

If the CTA has done a good job in providing what is needed by the Tibetans in exile and giving them support, the Tibetans do not need to spend so much money to migrate to other countries. The Tibetans are fed up with the CTA so they are finding their own ways to leave India, to find themselves an identity.

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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2018, 05:39:33 PM »
After 60 years in India, if CTA had managed well, they could have had made their home in India and eventually when the lease of 99 years is up, then India may allow them to stay on as contributors to Indian taxation system. 60 years is too long a time to justify them as refugees. They are no longer running away from anything or anyone and with 60 years of USD billions in donations, should be able to stand on their own as a functional society instead of dependent on others for survival. However, it is obvious that the now CTA wish to remain the same as 60 years ago, keeping their people in poverty to be dependent on the government for their living. Its a ploy by CTA that by keeping their people in poverty, they are able to beg for more donations. Easy living is what they had mastered in the 60 years as professional refugees. Shameful! The thing is, now that Trump is stopping the acceptance of yellow book, the next best place would be Tibet China as the Tibetan there are prospering from China's heavy investments and entrepreneurial training. Will the Tibetans be smart to return to work in tandem with the Chinese government for the betterment of their Tibet?

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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2018, 08:52:08 PM »

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Good summary comment from a Tenzin Tsundue:

Since Trump took office, the Tibetan yellow book has not been accepted by the American embassy in Delhi. No matter how strong a Tibetan’s accompanying documents are, the second they present their yellow book to the visa officer, their application is rejected. A friend of mine went to the American embassy himself to confirm this.

He said it’s because the US government knows what the Tibetans have been doing i.e. go to the US and throw away their passports, and apply for asylum / young Tibetan girls overstay and get married to American men / young Tibetan guys overstay and work in restaurants, etc.

As a result, more Tibetans are aiming for Europe which is easier to get into compared to America, but it is not as easy as before. Nowadays, to get to Europe, it costs Rs24 lakh (approximately USD36,255.51). On

Yes, nowadays very hard to get to USA anymore, even with money. Tibetans in India are considering to become Indian citizens while TIbetans in Exile, many are thinking to go back to Tibet, China, instead of staying at Dharamsala.

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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2018, 05:00:04 AM »

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Good summary comment from a Tenzin Tsundue:

Since Trump took office, the Tibetan yellow book has not been accepted by the American embassy in Delhi. No matter how strong a Tibetan’s accompanying documents are, the second they present their yellow book to the visa officer, their application is rejected. A friend of mine went to the American embassy himself to confirm this.

He said it’s because the US government knows what the Tibetans have been doing i.e. go to the US and throw away their passports, and apply for asylum / young Tibetan girls overstay and get married to American men / young Tibetan guys overstay and work in restaurants, etc.

As a result, more Tibetans are aiming for Europe which is easier to get into compared to America, but it is not as easy as before. Nowadays, to get to Europe, it costs Rs24 lakh (approximately USD36,255.51). On

Yes, nowadays very hard to get to USA anymore, even with money. Tibetans in India are considering to become Indian citizens while TIbetans in Exile, many are thinking to go back to Tibet, China, instead of staying at Dharamsala.

Tibetans have been staying in India for 60 years now. It is more than half of a century. I would say that they are almost part of the country already. Why they still refuse to assimilate into India and have a steady life and abandon the life of a refugee once and for all? Why did they want to continue on being a refugee for the rest of their life without knowing when they can return to their motherland?

India treated the Tibetans exceptionally well. They have many freedom that a normal refugee would not have. India also specially made the process for a Tibetan to become an Indian citizen easier. Why are they not taking this great opportunity? Instead of being grateful, they are arrogant and refused to be an Indian citizen. They rather go to western countries that rejected them to try their luck and get rejected.

They think being Indian is not good enough for them. That is how ungrateful those Tibetans are. India should not treat those Tibetans well and maybe even ask them to leave. Being a freeloader that is exempted from tax for 60 years is just too much. Who in the world stays as a refugee for 60 years? Only Tibetans.

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2018, 04:07:32 PM »
Isn't the USA the best friend of the CTA? Now the USA has abandoned the Tibetans. This is the true colour of western power. They are not noble, their action is always motivated by money and power. When you have no value to them, they will just abandon you.

If the USA really wants to help the Tibetans, why won't they accept the Tibetans? Why did they think Tibetans are troublemakers and therefore deny their applications to travel to the USA? Instead of giving millions to the CTA every year, won't it be easier to give the citizenship to the Tibetans so they can eventually contribute to the tax system?

The USA does not want to take any Tibetan refugee because if there is no more refugee, the USA will lose one political propaganda to go against China. The current structure is perfect for the USA, they don't have to deal with more social issues because of the new immigrants but at the same time, they can still have the Tibet issue to condemn China. The CTA, on the other hand, is very happy being a paid puppet to the USA.

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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2018, 06:40:52 PM »
Another set back for the CTA as the Indian government is unlikely to appoint another person to the position of Advisor on Tibet Affairs which was held by Amitabh Mathur who retired in September 2018. Mathur is said to have played an important role in rallying Indian support for the Tibetan cause and also facilitated a number of matters between the CTA and the Indian government.

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=40935&article=Govt.+of+India%E2%80%99s+post+of+advisor+for+Tibet+likely+to+remain+vacant+until+Xi

It is also interesting to note that the US Special Coordinator For Tibetan Affairs post is still vacant. It has been vacant for over a year now. The fact that the post has been left unfilled is a clear indication of the US’s shift in Tibet.

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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2018, 01:02:01 AM »
Isn't the USA the best friend of the CTA? Now the USA has abandoned the Tibetans. This is the true colour of western power. They are not noble, their action is always motivated by money and power. When you have no value to them, they will just abandon you.

If the USA really wants to help the Tibetans, why won't they accept the Tibetans? Why did they think Tibetans are troublemakers and therefore deny their applications to travel to the USA? Instead of giving millions to the CTA every year, won't it be easier to give the citizenship to the Tibetans so they can eventually contribute to the tax system?

The USA does not want to take any Tibetan refugee because if there is no more refugee, the USA will lose one political propaganda to go against China. The current structure is perfect for the USA, they don't have to deal with more social issues because of the new immigrants but at the same time, they can still have the Tibet issue to condemn China. The CTA, on the other hand, is very happy being a paid puppet to the USA.

It is very obvious that the sole reason why the USA has been supporting Tibet for all these years is that Tibet is a threat to China's international image. The USA gives CTA millions of donation every year to support their campaigns and operations. When CTA campaigns against China, China will lose face because CTA has the moral weapon where no one can win which is the Dalai Lama.

The world is seeing His Holiness as the guidelines of ethics and morality and using His Holiness they can make China look very bad. That is why even after 60 years of taking donation without any progress on their independence, they are still willing to continue to support them. It is very clear that their intention is not just wanting to support them for their independence.

Now the US rejects Tibetan shows that they only want to use them and not really want to help them out of their difficult situation. Their intention is very clear now. They just want to use them to make China look bad and hinder China's growth to become the stronger and take over their place in the world. They are obviously jealous of China's growth rate.

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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2019, 08:25:23 AM »
North, south, east west Home is best. This phrase best sums up what the Tibetans could be feeling. We all know that China poured in its millions to develop Tibet. So Tibet have modernized tremendously under China and will reach greater heights.

So why would any Tibetans want to stay in India.

Over the past few decades, China has successfully reduced the level of poverty in Tibet. Many Tibetans have their own property, their own business and they are living comfortably. The Tibetans in India are still refugees after 60 years, they cannot own any property and they cannot travel overseas easily.

That is why there is no more Tibetan from China arriving in India, life in India is not any better than in China. In fact, many Tibetans in India want to return to Tibet because there are more possibilities in China. CTA is not reliable and they are not trustworthy.

China has also invested a lot of money in restoring Buddhist monasteries and holy sites in Tibet. Many precious items are preserved due to the effort from the Chinese government. What has CTA done for Tibetans so far? Nothing tangible.