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pemachen

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Another 20 Years?
« on: April 05, 2018, 08:29:04 PM »
In March 1996, the Tibetan leadership forcefully implemented the ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden.
 
Since then the leadership has re-affirmed this again and again, leading to severe discrimination within the Tibetan community. One of these discriminatory messages is shown in this video. In February 2008, the Dalai Lama gave a harshly worded speech to expel Dorje Shugden practising monks from their monasteries. He obviously knew this was going to be difficult, so he even told the crowd to hold him personally responsible for the action. The Dalai Lama has been revered as the god-king of Tibet for hundreds of years, and the Tibetans dare not countermand his direct instruction. 

As a result, thousands of Dorje Shugden practitioners around the world, whether Tibetan or not, have suffered from discrimination and have been ostracised. Those who consider the Dalai Lama as the spiritual head of the faith have systematically carried out his instructions and adopted the belief that Shugden practitioners are their enemies.

This unjust ban has to stop. 20 years of discrimination, living in fear, being coerced to give up the practice, and betraying their kind teachers who bestowed them the practice is enough.

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Re: Another 20 Years?
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2018, 11:17:04 PM »
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As a result, thousands of Dorje Shugden practitioners around the world, whether Tibetan or not, have suffered from discrimination and have been ostracised. Those who consider the Dalai Lama as the spiritual head of the faith have systematically carried out his instructions and adopted the belief that Shugden practitioners are their enemies.

This is the saddest thing that has happened because in Buddhist teachings we are not supposed to have any enemies as that would prevent one from going to nirvana or achieving enlightenment. SO this type of action will certainly accumulate a lot of negative karma for those executing it. 

Besides negative karma, in a worldly sense, no good spiritual leader would ever say something like this to cause disunity and for people to split from their Gurus, family and friends due to a practice that is obviously NOT harmful because if it is, then why is Dalai Lama still alive because obviously there are still so many Dorje Shugden practitioners' out there still practising! So I do hope that this year, the Dalai Lama may please revert his instruction and find a way to unite all Tibetan again as many things are changing in regards to Tibetans. This is especially with regards to the recent turn around of events on where they stand at the moment as many countries are starting to disassociate with them, including their beloved host country India, which they have been expecting/demanding to support to back them up on their cause. A cause that is rather confusing, vague and at a lost due to the bad or wrong strategies employed by the Tibetan exile government, if you ask me.     

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Re: Another 20 Years?
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2018, 12:10:40 AM »
20 years is a very long time and the amount of sufferings is unimaginable. Tibetans or non-Tibetans alike, as long as they practise Dorje Shugden, they are deeply affected regardless where they are. There is a group of so-called Tibetan activists on social media that target on Dorje Shugden practitioners. They falsely claim the Shugden-pa CCP's trolls, paid by Chinese government etc. Thanks to Lama Tseta's lies and the CTA's false allegations, Dorje Shugden practitioners are being called Chinese dogs, rats, pigs, terrorists, Nazi etc. All these affect others reputations and their livelihood. The ban is ridiculously affecting people who are only interested in practising their religion peacefully. It must end and 20 years of ridiculous harm must stop!

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Re: Another 20 Years?
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2018, 05:40:34 PM »
Well looks like Dalai Lama is absolutely FINE and Dorje Shugden is obviously not affecting the Dalai Lama's life at all! Another eveidence of the BS given for the injustice ban on Dorje Shugden!

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Dalai Lama Returns Absolutely Fine From Medical Checkup

The Tibetan spiritual leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama has returned to his temporal abode in Dharamsala after a visit to New Delhi for a medical checkup. His Holiness had caught a common cold and had left for a medical checkup on Monday, returning back on Thursday absolutely fine according to his personal physician.

According to the report by Voice of Tibet where the personal physician to His Holiness the Dalai Lama, Dr Tsetan Dorji informed that post His Holiness catching a common cold recently, the visit to New Delhi was to have checkup by consulting a specialist doctor. After the treatment and prescription, His Holiness has recovered completely and returned to Dharamsala.

The personal physician also added that despite the increased exhaustion with advanced age, His Holiness is not facing any issue over his health.

Due to this increased exhaustion, most of foreign travels for His Holiness the Dalai Lama has been cut short recently. While the Tibetan spiritual leader remains actively engaged in programs and events scheduled within India, there is only a visit to Switzerland in September as of now for this year.

Source: http://www.tibetanjournal.com/dalai-lama-returns-absolutely-fine-medical-checkup/

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Re: Another 20 Years?
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2018, 11:46:29 PM »
Why is Shugden practitioners being dragged into the issue of causing issue to His Holiness' life? The truth of the matter is that even the Dalai Lama is unhappy with Lobsang Sangay, to the extent that it is even reported on the news. I think that would directly contribute to causing issue to His Holiness' life as compared to Shugden practice.

You can read all about it here:

‘Upset’ with Tibetan PM-in-exile, Dalai Lama cancels event commemorating 1959 escape
The Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) that had organised the event, commemorating the day when the Dalai Lama left home in Lhasa, however, claimed that the event had been ‘postponed’, not cancelled.

INDIA Updated: Mar 17, 2018 20:53 IST
Naresh K Thakur
Hindustan Times, Dharamshala

With the Dalai Lama leaving for Jammu on Saturday morning to attend the first convocation of the Central University of Jammu and Kashmir, a special event ‘Remembering March 17: From Home to Exile’, was cancelled at the 11th hour.

The Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) that had organised the event, commemorating the day when the Dalai Lama left home in Lhasa, however, claimed that the event had been ‘postponed’, not cancelled. “The event has been postponed till further notice,” said Sonam Norbu Dagpo, secretary, international relations, government-in-exile. Yet, neither he, nor other officials could explain, how an event linked to a date can be marked any other day.

Coming close on the heels of the CTA cancelling a ‘Thank You India’ event at Delhi and shifting it to Dharamshala, after a snub from the Centre, the development has sparked speculation that the Dalai Lama is unhappy with his political successor, Lobsang Sangay. Sangay was elected as the Dalai Lama’s political successor in 2011, when the spiritual leader devolved his political powers to the democratically-elected government.

Is the Dalai Lama angry?

“If you read between the lines, there is something to it,” said a Tibetan leader, on the condition of anonymity. He added that organisers had sent them at least four messages for the event. “First they said it is happening and then stated it is not happening,” he said, claiming that many of Sangay’s decisions are seen as attempts to get publicity in international media. An instance of this, he claimed, was the ‘Thank You India’ event.

“Thank You India had already been held in 2009 on the completion of His Holiness’s 50 years in exile. What was the need of the event in the 60th year,” this leader said, adding that Sangay had unnecessarily raked up the issue of Penpa Tsering’s removal as the Dalai Lama’s representative to North America during the Tibet Uprising Day on March 10.

Sangay-led Kasha (the cabinet of the CTA) has removed Tsering from the post in November 2017, months after his appointment, claiming lack of trust between him and the cabinet. However, the community perceives Tsering’s removal as being linked to him raising the issue of embezzlement of funds in the purchase of a new office of Tibet in US capital, Washington DC.

Sangay has had a controversial stint

Sangay has had a flair for controversy since the Tibetan general elections of 2016 that were marred by mudslinging between him and Tsering. The Dalai Lama had expressed his displeasure over the negative campaigning, saying proceedings had been ‘Grand on the outside, but shallow inside’. He had even barred both of them from receiving him, on his return from tours. In December 2017, Sangay sparked a row claiming that Dalai Lama’s close aide and former prime minister-in-exile had been visiting China privately; the latter had denied this.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/upset-with-tibetan-pm-in-exile-dalai-lama-cancels-event-commemorating-1959-escape/story-9vDbeWPqBt9MPkoIVtSxBK.html

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Re: Another 20 Years?
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2019, 08:16:16 AM »
The two Karmapas have already worked together to reunite the Kagyupas. They know that without unity and harmony, the lineage will not grow and it may even degenerate. Recently, the two Karmapas also jointly written a long life prayer for Sharmapa, this shows the two Karmapas have put down their differences and want to work together to resolve the conflict. Dorje Shugden ban only brings damages and creates suffering to the Tibetans, there is no benefits. When will the CTA lift the ban? When will they really do something beneficial to the Tibetans?

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Re: Another 20 Years?
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2019, 07:53:44 AM »
Why is Shugden practitioners being dragged into the issue of causing issue to His Holiness' life? The truth of the matter is that even the Dalai Lama is unhappy with Lobsang Sangay, to the extent that it is even reported on the news. I think that would directly contribute to causing issue to His Holiness' life as compared to Shugden practice.

This is perhaps why we see Sangay and the Dalai Lama agenda does not seem to tally or rather they are both doing their own thing.

The Dalai Lama is saying to make friends with China and try have dialogue but Sangay chooses to do the opposite which is going around the world, spending poor Tibetans in exiles money trying to garner support and funding for the CTA in the pretext of human rights issue etc. Whatever he is doing, he is just getting attention from the small flies and cannot do much for him.

Plus more and more Tibetans are disliking him and CTA more especially after Penpa's case 20 verdict, which asked for the CTA to make a public apology to him which has failed. They keep failing the people and lost their country yet they keep doing the wrong things, why? Because their agenda is about themselves and not for the people, unfortunately. It is time for Tibetans to take over since the Dalai Lama has given them the democratic ruling to do so, so they should take advantage of this fact and law and choose the right leader for the people.


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Re: Another 20 Years?
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2019, 05:38:59 AM »
The unjust ban had created so much suffering to the Dorje Shugden practitioners around the world. We can see signage that doesn't allow the Shugden practitioners to enter school, buy groceries, dine in the restaurant, medical services and etc. All this kind of discrimination never taught by the Buddha and why is it implemented for spiritual practice. Not only it's not being taught but it's against the Buddha's teaching to create suffering to others.

The reason behind the ban is not logical at all and after 20 years of the ban, what is the result? If Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit why not subdue him just like any other spirit that subdued by so many great lamas to protect the dharma? Why imposed the ban to punish the practitioners? If Dorje Shugden is really bad then invite the great lama to subdue him and prove that Shugden evil. Why not resolve the issue from the core?

Why relate spiritual practice with politic? Whether Tibetan cause can materialize is from the hard work of CTA and their people. Why CTA didn't unite their people and work smart and hard towards it but put the blame on a protector practice? This sounds so not professional and how can the people rely on CTA who is not even acting like a leader?

What a shame to see how CTA works and this proven why after 60 years CTA still has no progress to bring Dalai Lama and Tibetans back to Tibet. Their dirty tactic to push their failure on Dorje Shugden practice is really too childish and no one can really accept this and it can only be a joke. If Tibetan continues to rely on CTA then their faith will just have to keep waiting forever.

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Re: Another 20 Years?
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2019, 07:25:13 AM »
The unjust ban had created so much suffering to the Dorje Shugden practitioners around the world. We can see signage that doesn't allow the Shugden practitioners to enter school, buy groceries, dine in the restaurant, medical services and etc. All this kind of discrimination never taught by the Buddha and why is it implemented for spiritual practice. Not only it's not being taught but it's against the Buddha's teaching to create suffering to others.

The reason behind the ban is not logical at all and after 20 years of the ban, what is the result? If Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit why not subdue him just like any other spirit that subdued by so many great lamas to protect the dharma? Why imposed the ban to punish the practitioners? If Dorje Shugden is really bad then invite the great lama to subdue him and prove that Shugden evil. Why not resolve the issue from the core?

Why relate spiritual practice with politic? Whether Tibetan cause can materialize is from the hard work of CTA and their people. Why CTA didn't unite their people and work smart and hard towards it but put the blame on a protector practice? This sounds so not professional and how can the people rely on CTA who is not even acting like a leader?

What a shame to see how CTA works and this proven why after 60 years CTA still has no progress to bring Dalai Lama and Tibetans back to Tibet. Their dirty tactic to push their failure on Dorje Shugden practice is really too childish and no one can really accept this and it can only be a joke. If Tibetan continues to rely on CTA then their faith will just have to keep waiting forever.
It is very clear that the CTA is lying. If Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit and if people continue to practise it, the Dalai Lama's life will be shortened. But the current Dalai Lama is one of the very few long-lived Dalai Lama. Until today, no monk can subdue Dorje Shugden. How is this possible? Are the CTA telling us spirit is more powerful than Buddhas? If Dorje Shugden cannot be subdued by anyone, it just means Dorje Shugden is a Buddha.

The CTA is using Dorje Shugden as a scapegoat to cover up their failure to bring Tibetans back to Tibet. The CTA is using the Tibetan plight to make money and to avoid responsibility, they cannot be trusted. If the CTA cares for the Tibetans, they would solve the conflicts in the Tibetan community, unite Tibetans in order to bring a better and brighter future for the Tibetans. 

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Re: Another 20 Years?
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2019, 09:17:09 AM »
There will be many more 20 years of suffering as long as CTA remained strong and with His Holiness, the Dalai Lama is aboard. There is nothing that they did that actually contributes to reduce the suffering of the Tibetans who are living in India as refugees.

Dorje Shugden ban is just another tactic for them to reinforce their power grip onto the Tibetans. Divide and conquer is how CTA make sure that they are in control for the past 400 years.