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Brief abstract concerning HH's the Dalai Lama's advice regarding the practice of Dolgyal (Shugden)
Issued by the Office of Tibet, Tibet House, 1 Culworth Street, London NW8 7AF, May 2008

[On this thread is given the Dalai Lama's second main reason given to the Western public recently outlining why "after careful investigation and due thought, he discourages the worship of Dolgyal (Shugden spirit)." This was handed out to those attending the Dalai Lama's events in London and Nottingham.
Please read this and the subsequent arguments against his view.]

2. HH's commitment to promoting religious harmony includes promoting non-sectarianism within Tibetan Buddhist traditions. His Holiness follows the 5th and the 13th Dalai Lama's principle of non-sectarianism and the example they set. Non-sectarianism is essential for the survival of the Tibetan nation. In the past, many tragedies took place because of sectarianism. The link between worship of Dolgyal and sectarianism is well known.

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Re: (2) Does the practice of Dorje Shugden promote sectarianism?
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2008, 08:51:48 PM »
In the past, many tragedies took place because of sectarianism. The link between worship of Dolgyal and sectarianism is well known.

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As praying to Shugden increases love, compassion, and wisdom there can be no link with Shugden and religious discrimination. Tolerance and respect for all other traditions is highly promoted by Je Tsongkhapa and his emanation Dharmapala Dorje Shugden.

Sectarianism can be seen, however, in the exclusive attitude of the 14th Dalai Lama who allows anyone in the world to attend his teachings EXCEPT those who pray to Gyalchen Dorje Shugden.  What could be more clearly sectarian than that? 

Regarding divisions in religious society the DL's ban has brought about the greatest schism within Tibetan Buddhism in its history - families are divided in a way that Mao's Red Guards could never achieve - only the one in the saffron robe can wreak such havoc.

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Re: (2) Does the practice of Dorje Shugden promote sectarianism?
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2008, 09:04:48 PM »
"When during an Anti-Dorje Shugden information meeting in Switzerland the Dalai Lama's Private Secretary sketched the picture of three hundred years of trouble with these Dorje Shugden people, someone asked him to mention some of the incidents that had occurred during that time. He was unable to come up with even one."

Helmut Gassner
Speech - Friedrich-Naumann-Foundation


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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2008, 11:39:00 AM »
Isn't Rime more of a cultural movement than a non-sectarian philosophical movement? I say this because they are non-sectarian only in regards to Tibetan Buddhist traditions/religions. They do not extend this inclusiveness to non-Tibetan Buddhist traditions such as Theravadin, Zen, Nichiren, etc.

On the other hand, practicing one's own tradition wholeheartedly, while recognizing the preciousness of other people's traditions, is indeed non-sectarian. In being eclectic, you're always leaving somebody out!

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Re: (2) Does the practice of Dorje Shugden promote sectarianism?
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2008, 03:30:01 PM »
The Dalai Lama has got the wrong end of the stick when it comes to sectarianism.  Being non-sectarian doesn't mean that you have to receive teachings from all lineages, it means you practise one lineage purely while having a respectful mind (dare I say a mind of rejoicing?) towards other traditions and not bad-mouthing them or discriminating against them in any way.

Why would Dorje Shugden harm you for having the text of another tradition in your room?  It's superstitious nonsense!

You don't have to receive teachings from all lineages to say that all lineages as good.  There are many paths up the mountain, but you only need to follow one trustworthy path that goes all the way to the top.  However, that's not to say that there aren't other paths that are equally valid that go to the top, but you only have to go up the mountain once, using one path; there's no point in trying each path individually to see if they all go to the top!  If you do that, you are liable to become totally confused, trying every available path just so that you can know that they go to the top, but totally failing to get there by following any one of them to completion!  You might find yourself wondering "which one is the best? which one should I follow?" and you don't end up going anywhere.

We need one path, one Guide (root Guru) and many spiritual friends who share the same view and lineage as our root Teacher.  This is not sectarian, it's common sense and the quickest way to achieve results.

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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2008, 05:03:48 PM »
Hi lineageholder

Very good point. Non-sectarian does not mean receiving teachings from other lineages but respecting all other lineages while being content with one's own.  Please repeat this often!

Being non-sectarian does not mean receiving teachings from other lineages but respecting all other lineages while being content with one's own.  This method (repetition) is what the DL uses to convince - as I read somewhere today - "if a lie is repeated often enough people believe it as the truth".  Antidote?  Repeat the truth MORE OFTEN than the lie!

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Re: (2) Does the practice of Dorje Shugden promote sectarianism?
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2008, 10:55:00 AM »
"When during an Anti-Dorje Shugden information meeting in Switzerland the Dalai Lama's Private Secretary sketched the picture of three hundred years of trouble with these Dorje Shugden people, someone asked him to mention some of the incidents that had occurred during that time. He was unable to come up with even one."

Helmut Gassner
Speech - Friedrich-Naumann-Foundation





Leave aside 300 hundred years or so. Ashamed of being a follower of worldy spirit, whose true intention is to harm and destroy others. You may banned me from here. If you do then it's bad for your own sullied image.

Violent Events with images
An extract from the ?Sternstunde? transcript (Swiss television) of an interview conducted with Mr. Prithvi Raj, SP Kangra on the triple murder at Dharamsala:
 
Prithvi Raj (PR), Chief Police of Kangra District:
We have identified two of the murderers, and we have clear indications that the murderers are directly linked to the Shugden association and directly connecting these murderers with the case. But so far we have not been able to arrest them. One is called Tenzin Chozin, the other is called Lobsang Chodrak. Before the murder, the principal received threatening letters from the Shugden association.

PR: First of all, on the location where the murders took place, we found a letter, written by the Shugden association and signed by Chime Tsering, who is the president (secretary) of Dorje Shugden Charitable Trust. This letter is the threatening letter to the monk Lobsang Gyatso, and it proofs the direct connection of murderers with Shugden. This is one of the links. Then these murderers were living in Majnu-ka-tilla in Delhi, another evidence that they maintained contact with the Shugden Centre.


This made our label on the case file: linking these two murderers with Chime Tsering. Because on the day on which Lobsang Gyatso returned from Singapore, he spent the night in Delhi. On the next day, when he was coming to Dharamsala, he was followed by these murderers. At Ambala they somehow had a car breakdown. They then called to Delhi. They dialed the number of the president (secretary) of the Shugden association, at the number of Mr. Chime Tsering. They talked to him, and we have word traced that call.


PR: On the basis of some evidence we have found in Kalsura, in the district of Mandi, some pictures, which show the president (secretary) of the Shugden association along with the murderers. This is another evidence that links the murderers with the Dorje Shugden association. We from the police are convinced that these murderers were engaged to assassinate the principal of the Dialectic School, Lobsang Gyatso. The principal was always opposing the Shugden worship and he was propagating the ideas and ideologies of His Holiness the Dalai Lama.
 
   
   
 
The Station House Officer (SHO), Bylakuppe, Mr. M.M. Mahadevaya?s statement regarding the assault on Mr. Phurbu Sithar; when he was the representative of the Tibetan government in exile at the Deckyi Larso settlement, Bylakuppe, Karnataka, India.
 
According to our investigation, the assault which has taken place on Dekyi Larso representative Mr. Phurbu Sither and his wife reveals that these accused persons belong to (monks of) Pomra Khangtsen group. I know there are a lot of differences about worshipping of god Shugden Dorjee amongst Tibetans as well as lamas of this area, particularly this Shugden group, Pomra Khangtsen.  I can say they are responsible for attacking the Representative and his wife.






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Re: (2) Does the practice of Dorje Shugden promote sectarianism?
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2008, 11:35:54 AM »
Quoted from the home page of this site, from a text called SUPPRESSION STORIES, which systematically takes apart all the leaky arguments, conclusions, 'proofs' and falsifications of history presented by Dharamsala and repeated over and over and parroted by the likes of you, who in a civilized or less forgiving context could be sued  the shirt off your back for repeating defamations which in TEN YEARS have still not proven true!


 STORY 1:
Violent Events with images

An extract from the ‘Sternstunde’ transcript (Swiss television) of an interview conducted with Mr. Prithvi Raj, SP Kangra on the triple murder at Dharamsala:

Prithvi Raj (PR), Chief Police of Kangra District:

We have identified two of the murderers, and we have clear indications that the murderers are directly linked to the Shugden association and directly connecting these murderers with the case. But so far we have not been able to arrest them. One is called Tenzin Chozin, the other is called Lobsang Chodrak. Before the murder, the principal received threatening letters from the Shugden association.

PR: First of all, on the location where the murders took place, we found a letter, written by the Shugden association and signed by Chime Tsering, who is the president (secretary) of Dorje Shugden Charitable Trust. This letter is the threatening letter to the monk Lobsang Gyatso, and it proofs the direct connection of murderers with Shugden. This is one of the links. Then these murderers were living in Majnu-ka-tilla in Delhi , another evidence that they maintained contact with the Shugden Centre.

This made our label on the case file: linking these two murderers with Chime Tsering. Because on the day on which Lobsang Gyatso returned from Singapore , he spent the night in Delhi . On the next day, when he was coming to Dharamsala, he was followed by these murderers. At Ambala they somehow had a car breakdown. They then called to Delhi . They dialed the number of the president (secretary) of the Shugden association, at the number of Mr. Chime Tsering. They talked to him, and we have word traced that call.

PR: On the basis of some evidence we have found in Kalsura, in the district of Mandi, some pictures, which show the president (secretary) of the Shugden association along with the murderers. This is another evidence that links the murderers with the Dorje Shugden association. We from the police are convinced that these murderers were engaged to assassinate the principal of the Dialectic School , Lobsang Gyatso. The principal was always opposing the Shugden worship and he was propagating the ideas and ideologies of His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

   (here follow the same pictures you have just posted as if they were some new revelation)

then follows our commentary:


NONE OF THESE ACCUSATIONS AND DECLARATIONS HAVE PROVED CONCLUSIVE, AND ALL THE ‘HOT LEADS’ ARE GONE WITH THE WIND; “THE SIX MURDRERS HAVE FLED TO TIBET WHERE THEY LIVE UNDER PROTECTION FROM CHINA .” THE INVESTIGATIONS SEEM TO HAVE SIMPLY ENDED THERE, WHILE MORE LIKELY THREADS HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWED. THIS DOESN’T KEEP VARIOUS ‘EXPERTS’ FROM REPEATING IT OVER AND OVER AS IF IT WERE PROVEN FACT AND, OF COURSE, PROOF OF THE WICKED NATURE OF THE ‘SHUGDEN CULT.’

EXERPT FROM HELMUT GASSNER’S SPEECH:

"About a year after the conflict broke out the newly constituted opposition had organized and began consolidating itself. This was contrary to everything the government-in-exile had expected. Then, in the spring of 1997 a horrifying triple murder in Dharamsala put a different spin on the controversy. The Director of the Dialectics School in Dharamsala and his two young translators were gruesomely murdered just a few days before the Tibetan new year. Apparently the three of them had been alone in their room only about 15 minutes and they were found stabbed without anyone hearing screams or seeing killers. The Director of the Dialectics School was well known for his slanderous writings in which he would drag through the mud anything that veered even slightly from the course established by the government-in-exile: famous masters, the big monastic universities and even the Tibetan guerilla were his targets. In one of his last articles he wrote, " …these people will not cease to criticize the Dalai Lama until blood flows from their bodies…"

 Given the character of the assassination and the humiliations the Tibetan guerilla movement had been subjected to in earlier years, one could have assumed that the search for the murderer would eventually also lead to them. But that obviously did not occur; already the next day, Dharamsala's local newspaper claimed that the murderer would certainly be found among the Dorje Shugden Society in Delhi . Aside from who committed the murders, this gruesome act was exploited to the hilt by the government-in-exile with only one aim in mind: Resorting to all possible means they tried to incriminate the Dorje Shugden Society in Delhi in order to put its leading monks behind Indian bars. For the benefit of the press, the image of a Dorje Shugden sect with bloodthirsty, cultish, terrorist and fundamentalist attributes was successfully established linking it effectively with the traditionally depicted wrathful appearance of the deity while cleverly neglecting to mention that many wrathful Buddhist deities are represented in considerably more terrifying ways.

For his part, Robert Thurman thought it appropriate to portray for Newsweek magazine a murderous Dorje Shugden cult describing it as " the Taliban of Buddhism."

On a Swiss TV program discussing the subject of the murders I then had the opportunity to admire my old friend, the government-in-exile minister Tashi Wangdu, exhibiting evidence in front of the camera. According to the commentator it was a death threat sent by Dorje Shugden followers to the murder victim. I could not resist stopping the video to copy the Tibetan text and translate it. It contained no death threat at all, simply an impertinent letter containing a challenge to debate the issue so as to settle the difference."

plus this interesting bit (has ANYBODY followed up on it, or are you all just so happy to have 'alocated' your favorite candidate that you have completely forgotten about His Holiness' ACTUAL safety???

WE HAVE FOUND THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE TWO DAYS AGO, OCT 22, 2007 (!!!):

PLOT TO MURDER HH THE DALAI LAMA

His name is Zhang Qing Li, born 1951, ShandongProvince, and he is the insultingly acid-mouthed Communist Party Secretary of the Tibetan Autonomous Region. Credible news just now filtering out of China places him at the center of a bizarre Chinese government plot to assassinate the Dalai Lama, blame the Dorje Shugden Cult, and then declare the Dalai Lama’s successor. The plot is believed to include Chinese intelligence service personnel operating under diplomatic cover in all nations visited by His Holiness, including the United States, as well as “sleeper” type agents. It is said that details of the plot include provisions for a “discredit after death” type operation, i.e. the manner of death would serve to tarnish the victim’s memory. It is further suggested that the threat is imminent, and that this is why the Chinese government rushed its “reincarnation regulations” into effect last month.

COMPARE ‘DISCREDIT AFTER DEATH TYPE OPERATION’ WITH THE PICTURES ABOVE AND DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS… HOW ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE THAT WHILE OFFICIALS ARE CONTENT WITH CONVENIENT STORIES, THE DALAI LAMA’S HOLY LIFE MAY BE UNDER REAL THREAT!

Read this website, out-of-the-blue idolworshipper!

 

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Re: (2) Does the practice of Dorje Shugden promote sectarianism?
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2008, 11:43:50 AM »
Dear outofblue,

Welcome!  Firstly, there is no evidence that these murders were committed by Shugden practitioners because, without doubt, if there were the TGIE would have tried to have someone convicted and jailed for this now.

Lobsang Gyatso was very outspoken and had many targets, all of them those who disagreed with HHDL.  You should know that not only Shugden practitioners have a problem with the Dalai Lama's actions; for example, the Dalai Lama's own brother had a problem with his renouncing the cause of a Free Tibet.  Also, in 1962 the Dalai Lama tried to unite all schools of Tibetan Buddhism under his authority, but this autocratic move was opposed by the Thirteen Tibetan Settlements and the 16th Karmapa.  The Dalai Lama has many enemies, and Lobsang Gyatso goaded them all.  From a talk by the Dalai Lama's translator for seventeen years, Helmut Gassner:

The Director of the Dialectics School was well known for his slanderous writings in which he would drag through the mud anything that veered even slightly from the course established by the government-in-exile: famous masters, the big monastic universities and even the Tibetan guerilla were his targets. In one of his last articles he wrote, "...these people will not cease to criticize the Dalai Lama until blood flows from their bodies...."

Given the character of the assassination and the humiliations the Tibetan guerilla movement had been subjected to in earlier years, one could have assumed that the search for the murderer would eventually also lead to them. But that obviously did not occur; already the next day, Dharamsala's local newspaper claimed that the murderer would certainly be found among the Dorje Shugden Society in Delhi. Aside from who committed the murders, this gruesome act was exploited to the hilt by the government-in-exile with only one aim in mind: Resorting to all possible means they tried to incriminate the Dorje Shugden Society in Delhi in order to put its leading monks behind Indian bars. For the benefit of the press, the image of a Dorje Shugden sect with bloodthirsty, cultish, terrorist and fundamentalist attributes was successfully established linking it effectively with the traditionally depicted wrathful appearance of the deity while cleverly neglecting to mention that many wrathful Buddhist deities are represented in considerably more terrifying ways


There are therefore many people who wanted Lobsang Gyatso dead - all enemies of the Dalai Lama, in fact.  The TGIE exploited his death to cause problems for Shugden practitioners.  Whereas they accused the Shugden Society of the murder, there's no doubt that the Dalai Lama's particular brand of non-sectarianism (ie, divide and rule) did actually result in the deaths of many members of the Thirteen Settlements.  For example, it's well known that the TGIE had the leader of the Thirteen Settlements, Guntang Tsultrim murdered. 

For all these reasons You cannot hold up the death of Lobsang Gyatso as an example of how Shugden practice is sectarian.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2008, 11:48:34 AM by Lineageholder »

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Re: (2) Does the practice of Dorje Shugden promote sectarianism?
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2008, 06:14:03 PM »
I have summarized your information here and am thinking of putting it somewhere on the www.WisdomBuddhaDorjeShugden.org website or its blog. Let me know what you think (you can also write to me privately).

False accusations of murder

These horrible murders took place over ten years ago, and in all that time not a shred of evidence has ever been proven to link Dorje Shugden practitioners to them. Nonetheless, the Dalai Lama and Office of Tibet continue to repeat this calumny on their website and literature. Repeating a lie over and over again does not make it the truth. We will not repeat the defamations here: you can check the Dalai Lama’s literature out for the ghastly pictures of poor Lobsang Gyatso and the false accusations. We do however need to address the false accusations here, as they are parrotted over and over again by supporters of the ban against Dorje Shugden practice. This is even though they have already been proven unfounded by the Indian police years ago due to no evidence, and it is a lie to say that any “arrest warrants remain pending” as there are no suspects.

In reality, there are any number of possible suspects for the murders but the true culprits have never been found as the Dalai Lama prefers conveniently for his political objectives to keep the blame on Dorje Shugden practitioners.


According to a disciple of Geshe Lobsang Gyatso, as reported in the Austrian Buddhist magazine "Ursache und Wirkung", July 2006, page 73, before he was killed, Lobsang Gyatso had to face many death threats, but refused any personal security.

Lobsang Gyatso was very outspoken and had many targets, all of them those who disagreed with the Dalai Lama.  For example, the Dalai Lama's own brother had a problem with his renouncing the cause of a Free Tibet.  Also, in 1962 the Dalai Lama tried to unite all schools of Tibetan Buddhism under his authority, but this autocratic move was opposed by the Thirteen Tibetan Settlements and the 16th Karmapa.  The Dalai Lama has many enemies, and Lobsang Gyatso goaded them all. 

Helmut Gassner, an Austrian Buddhist monk who was a translator for the Dalai Lama for seventeen years around this period, spoke about the murders in a talk he gave to the Friedrich-Naumann-Foundation Hamburg, on March 26th 1999:

“The Director of the Dialectics School was well known for his slanderous writings in which he would drag through the mud anything that veered even slightly from the course established by the government-in-exile: famous masters, the big monastic universities and even the Tibetan guerillas were his targets. In one of his last articles he wrote, "...these people will not cease to criticize the Dalai Lama until blood flows from their bodies...."

Given the character of the assassination and the humiliations the Tibetan guerilla movement had been subjected to in earlier years, one could have assumed that the search for the murderer would eventually also lead to them. But that obviously did not occur; already the next day, Dharamsala's local newspaper claimed that the murderer would certainly be found among the Dorje Shugden Society in Delhi. Aside from who committed the murders, this gruesome act was exploited to the hilt by the government-in-exile with only one aim in mind: Resorting to all possible means they tried to incriminate the Dorje Shugden Society in Delhi in order to put its leading monks behind Indian bars. For the benefit of the press, the image of a Dorje Shugden sect with bloodthirsty, cultish, terrorist and fundamentalist attributes was successfully established linking it effectively with the traditionally depicted wrathful appearance of the deity while cleverly neglecting to mention that many wrathful Buddhist deities are represented in considerably more terrifying ways.” http://schettini.com/PDFs/HelmutOnShugden.pdf

Geshe Kelsang Gyatso also made reference to other suspects for the murders in his reply to a 1997 article in Newsweek  where Robert Thurman offensively and ignorantly described Dorje Shugden practitioners as the “Taliban of Buddhism”:

Robert Thurman is quoted as saying: "I think there's no doubt that Shugden was behind the killings." Of course, killing people is very bad, and I utterly condemn these appalling murders, but by reading the letter addressed to HH the Dalai Lama known as the 'Mongoose Canine Letter', we can clearly understand that HH the Dalai Lama has many enemies, so why are only Shugden supporters suspected? It is a great pity that Lobsang Gyatso who was a 70-year old Geshe died in the most horrible of circumstances, seemingly because HH the Dalai Lama has many enemies. http://www.cesnur.org/testi/fr99/gkg.htm
The Shugden Society in New Delhi has always denied any involvement in the murders or threats and after an investigation by the Indian police were found to have no involvement in the murders. [Mike Wilson, 1999, Schisms, murder, and hungry ghosts in Shangra-La - internal conflicts in Tibetan Buddhist sect.] This fact has been ignored by the Tibetan government in Exile, which continues to make the false accusation on its website.

There are therefore many people who might have wanted Lobsang Gyatso dead -- all enemies of the Dalai Lama, in fact.  The Tibetan Government in Exile (TGIE) have exploited his death to cause problems for Shugden practitioners. 

There was only one possible shred of evidence, a supposed “threatening letter” found in Lobsang Gyatso’s office.

According to the Indian police in 1996, there was a “threatening letter to the monk Lobsang Gyatso, and it proves the direct connection of murderers with Shugden”. He also said: “The six murderers have fled to Tibet where they live under protection from China.” The investigation stopped there.

On a Swiss TV program discussing the subject, the TGIE minister Tashi Wangdu exhibited the “evidence” in front of the camera. According to the commentator, this was the death threat letter sent by Dorje Shugden followers to the murder victim as mentioned by the police.

Later, the Tibetan text on the letter was copied and translated by various Tibetan speakers. It contained absolutely no death threat at all. It was simply an impertinent letter containing a challenge to debate the issue so as to settle the differences.

As to where and how the Chinese are supposedly sheltering six murderers in Tibet, there has not been any evidence of this either in ten years. The Dorje Shugden Devotees Charitable and Religious Society, whom apparently supplied the murderers, continue their peaceful work in India to oppose the ban and none of their members have fled anywhere.

This repeated defamation is one of the many reasons Western Shugden Society members everywhere are following the Dalai Lama to ask him to “Stop Lying!”

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Re: (2) Does the practice of Dorje Shugden promote sectarianism?
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2008, 07:21:49 PM »
...and hello again, out-of-the-blue Original,

look what i've found a few posts below your 'original' (do you know how old this is and may i repeat i've already posted it on this here site months ago?) on phayul:

"Hi,

I am going to tell on this triple murder. This was the conflict happened between late precious Geshe la and his students, Geshe always trust on this two late student and other student they don't fell very well on this attitude of Geshe la and late two student, Once a while they had argument among themselves, mainly on Geshe La belongings, Then what happen is, Geshe took this two students with him in Tawain and they brought with them Three bag with full of money, they arrived in Dharamsala their resident and Geshe la showed the money to in front of all his students and he appointed this two late student was a treasurer and they start the quarrel and exactly happened what's in this picture."



... and also this:

"February 14th, 2006
Lhasa, Tibet: A statue of Dorje Shugden is forcefully removed and destroyed along
with a statue of Setrab by a few monks in the Nyakri department of Ganden Monastery.
Some pilgrims report this to people in Lhasa, and a few hundred Tibetans
from the Kham region, particularly from Dagyab, for whom both these deities
are very important, are shocked and alarmed and go to Ganden Monastery to
question those responsible for this outrage. However, one man from Dagyab, who
is working as a driver foreseeing dire consequences of a meeting between these
people and the monks, informs his boss. The Chinese police reach the monastery
before hundreds of people arrive from Lhasa, and thus prevent direct clashes.
Those responsible for this destruction are then interrogated. Dozens of monks
who had participated in the destruction were released, but the two main instigators
have to face legal consequences.
Unrest occurs inside Tibet due to strong denouncements by Dalai Lama at
Kalachakra initiations, and because of sending people to Tibet with the particular
mission to spread allegations such as ‘the deity Dorje Shugden is harming the
Tibetan freedom and is a danger for the life of His Holiness.’
The houses of practitioners of Dorje Shugden and their relatives have been
attacked with explosives. In some cases, when those responsible are caught by the
Chinese authorities and brought to justice, the exile administration publicizes
these people as ‘national heroes fighting for Tibetan freedom’.

July 19th, 2006
The house of a family in Lhasa, who are well-known as Dorje Shugden practitioners
is attacked by four Tibetans wearing masks and claiming to be the Dalai
Lama’s messengers. The only person in the house at that time is their 20 year old
son, who is tortured by having his fingers cut off. He is threatened that next time
they will cut his hands off and then they will cut his head off if his family doesn’t
listen to the Dalai Lama."


Which of the murder scenarios is true? I don't know because i wasn't there. What IS certain is which suits Dharamsala... has the above story been investigated? There would be much reason to because in real life such events driven by greed happen every day! Obviously not.
See what the problem is?

ps, the guy who's asked you to bravely post this here because he's been banned, knows very well why he's been banned (bravo! as the first one in the history of this forum...).
So here you are, had to look at the devil to do your deed and now find that it's all here already (again: see SUPPRESSION STORIES on our homepage) - sorry about that. Maybe next time you find something that's less than ten years old, hasn't been said a trillion times on e-sangha like all the NKT stories you're copy/pasting over to phayul now (please spare us here -we've read them, we've read them, we've read them) and has some facts or at least reason to support it. Cheers anyway.


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Re: (2) Does the practice of Dorje Shugden promote sectarianism?
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2015, 02:58:45 PM »
In my opinion, the practise of Buddhism itself isn't sectarian, so how is practising Dorje Shugden sectarian? Sectarian for what? Dorje Shugden gets nothing out of this alright. It's the people who are against this practise making it sectarian, His Holiness is a different kind of story. He has His reasons of doing what He is doing, we do not have the authority to question or doubt Him if you truly believe in Buddhism, reincarnation and the working of karma.