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Rinchen

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Re: The Dalai Lama expresses doubt over effectiveness of self-immolations
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2013, 02:21:06 PM »
Nah, I dont believe that the CTA has the courage to overthrow the Dalai Lama. they still very much believe in him, but in the wrong way. They believe that by associating with the Dalai Lama, they can easily hold sway over the Tibetans and their careers as ministers and members of the parliament will be secure. And that they will have a good rebirth if they listened to the Dalai Lama. But that is the only few things on why they listen to the Dalai Lama and not for spiritual reasons. It's all for personal gain and getting influence and power over the Tibetans. Sad isnt it?

Of course there will be instances where people believe or follow some people for an alter motive, isn't that what most people care about, ourselves? You can say that they are selfish, but everyone is like that in their own twisted way.

Just a very simple example, how many people would work for passion? Mostly we work for the money because we need it. We boot lick others because we would want to get into the good books of some people. I do not believe that you do not do the same thing.

Everyone does things with a motive, is just that if that motive is a positive or negative motive.

Many of the Tibetans are already losing faith in the Dalai Lama, what makes you so sure that they will not overthrow the Dalai Lama. Yes, they may not do so now, but you will never know in the future. The CTA might even fight for the power and authority after the Dalai Lama has passed on.

This is just basic human instincts of being territorial, everyone would want to be their own leaders. Is just like how an elder sibling commands the younger sibling around, or even the senior executives of a company commanding the junior executives/interns all around.

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Re: The Dalai Lama expresses doubt over effectiveness of self-immolations
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2013, 06:34:01 AM »
Of course there will be instances where people believe or follow some people for an alter motive, isn't that what most people care about, ourselves? You can say that they are selfish, but everyone is like that in their own twisted way.

Just a very simple example, how many people would work for passion? Mostly we work for the money because we need it. We boot lick others because we would want to get into the good books of some people. I do not believe that you do not do the same thing.

Everyone does things with a motive, is just that if that motive is a positive or negative motive.

Many of the Tibetans are already losing faith in the Dalai Lama, what makes you so sure that they will not overthrow the Dalai Lama. Yes, they may not do so now, but you will never know in the future. The CTA might even fight for the power and authority after the Dalai Lama has passed on.

This is just basic human instincts of being territorial, everyone would want to be their own leaders. Is just like how an elder sibling commands the younger sibling around, or even the senior executives of a company commanding the junior executives/interns all around.

But the Dalai Lama's influence is still pretty strong in Dharamsala and not only that, he now has international support. The Tibetans basically dont stand a chance to go against the Dalai Lama in any rate. Perhaps when the Dalai Lama has entered clear light, they will reject him, but until then, i doubt that they will reject or rebel against him. But here's the thing: when the Dalai Lama passes on, the CTA will also no longer be around as they will crumble without his direction and support as the ministers have not been doing their jobs all along.

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Re: The Dalai Lama expresses doubt over effectiveness of self-immolations
« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2013, 07:50:34 PM »
It is true that the CTA might crumble after the Dalai Lama has passed into clear light. But there is still a very small chance that they would not.

Although it is true that the Dalai Lama has influences around the world, but when it comes to political issues, how many countries would want to butt in to help out? They would all just ignore the issues that CTA and the Dalai Lama has because they do not want to be the ones to take in the Tibetans into their own lands in the end.

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Re: The Dalai Lama expresses doubt over effectiveness of self-immolations
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2013, 03:11:27 AM »
It is true that the CTA might crumble after the Dalai Lama has passed into clear light. But there is still a very small chance that they would not.

Although it is true that the Dalai Lama has influences around the world, but when it comes to political issues, how many countries would want to butt in to help out? They would all just ignore the issues that CTA and the Dalai Lama has because they do not want to be the ones to take in the Tibetans into their own lands in the end.

That chance and possibility is unfortunately nonexistent as people in the CTA as they lack people who are really dedicated to the cause of taking care of the Tibetans, like a real government should. How many people are really dedicated to the Tibetan cause in the CTA? even Lobsang Sanggay himself is not as evident by his actions and decisions. He wants to hold on to the olds ways that didint work before because he is too afraid of losing his position in the CTA, and that attitude is pervasive in the parliament. With this, where can there be progress?

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Re: The Dalai Lama expresses doubt over effectiveness of self-immolations
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2013, 04:10:42 PM »
Well, of course the Dalai lama expresses doubts over the effectiveness of self-immolation...

Because the cause that the self-immolation is trying to serve is a lost cause: independence of Tibet.
Tibet is a Chinese province, it is and has now been for more than 50 years an integral part of China, in fact it has ties with China that are much older than 1959, deep ties.

A desperate act like self-immolation demonstrate that nothing else can be done at this point than a desperate act.

Buddhism is teaching us to not be attached, it is time to demonstrate that to the world, it is time for the Tibetan people in and out of China to show the true practice of Buddhism by taking care of the ethnic Chinese that are in the Tibet province.
Be a Buddhist host: demonstrate to your new neighbors in all cities and villages of Tibet the true practice of Buddhism: intelligent care, compassionate care, wise care.

If any Tibetan believes in karma, then they will easily understand that the best way for them to get respect and recognition is by giving it to others.
This does not mean "stupid" submission, it means cooperation, understanding, care and positive construction of a future together for the sake of peace now, and for the sake of future generations.

The CTA is not giving a bright example in this as they ostracize even their own people for practicing Dorje Shugden. I mean, how could they talk about peace with China when they foment war within their own community... that does not look serious, nor considerate or even intelligent.

There is no point in continuing the self-immolation.
it is a sad loss of life in terrible suffering for no effect at all.

And if the motivation was not the independence of Tibet but the return of the Dalai Lama to Tibet, well... I doubt that the Chinese Government would allow a Tibetan lama back in China if it shows that people are ready to immolate themselves for him... They would rather let him stay up in the Indian mountains, far away...

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Re: The Dalai Lama expresses doubt over effectiveness of self-immolations
« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2013, 05:17:23 AM »
It is true that the CTA might crumble after the Dalai Lama has passed into clear light. But there is still a very small chance that they would not.

Although it is true that the Dalai Lama has influences around the world, but when it comes to political issues, how many countries would want to butt in to help out? They would all just ignore the issues that CTA and the Dalai Lama has because they do not want to be the ones to take in the Tibetans into their own lands in the end.

Many would still doubt the leadership of Lobsang Sangey, as he is relatively new into power unlike His Holiness The Dalai Lama who was in charge for decades before His Holiness finally made himself clear from political affairs. I feel that CTA will eventually become very stagnant and will not be effective to serve its people anymore after The Dalai Lama enters clear light and if the reincarnation does not come back (as previously mentioned by The Dalai Lama before). The spirit of patriotism among Tibetan exiles will also die down after that when they have stayed long enough and localized in India.

 

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Re: The Dalai Lama expresses doubt over effectiveness of self-immolations
« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2013, 04:17:13 PM »
I feel the spirit of having CTA back in power in Tibet is fading and slowly dying away. This has got to do with the development that Chinese government brought to Tibet. The dramatic upward change in the quality of lives among Tibetans still living in Tibet will make them not wanting CTA to be back in charge. Why will they want CTA back and make drastic changes into an already stable economic and politic situation in Tibet? Moreover, the ban on Dorje Shugden imposed by CTA will more or less make them not welcomed by most Tibetans...

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Re: The Dalai Lama expresses doubt over effectiveness of self-immolations
« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2013, 11:01:07 AM »
Many would still doubt the leadership of Lobsang Sangey, as he is relatively new into power unlike His Holiness The Dalai Lama who was in charge for decades before His Holiness finally made himself clear from political affairs. I feel that CTA will eventually become very stagnant and will not be effective to serve its people anymore after The Dalai Lama enters clear light and if the reincarnation does not come back (as previously mentioned by The Dalai Lama before). The spirit of patriotism among Tibetan exiles will also die down after that when they have stayed long enough and localized in India.

To be honest, I really doubt lobsang sanggay because it has been so long since he took office but so little improvements have been made, and nothing has been done to revamp the Tibetan Parliament and to make sure that everyone does their jobs so that nobody suffers. He himself has not taken any initiative to talk to China but instead choose to waste his efforts at attempts to undermine China...which is a huge country that is actually efficient, compared to CTA who is barely a government....try another approach before time is wasted..please...

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Re: The Dalai Lama expresses doubt over effectiveness of self-immolations
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2013, 07:22:59 PM »
True, I agree that the CTA has not done anything to improve the living standards for the Tibetans. And China has done much for Tibet.

But back to the topic, I agree with what bonfire has said. The continuous self-immolation activities are all a waste of time. It is like kids going to extremes (Like killing themselves, or attempt in suicide), it would not have any reaction ftom the Chinese are looking for you. Hence, with self-immolation is useless and a waste of time.

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Re: The Dalai Lama expresses doubt over effectiveness of self-immolations
« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2013, 06:53:21 AM »
True, I agree that the CTA has not done anything to improve the living standards for the Tibetans. And China has done much for Tibet.

But back to the topic, I agree with what bonfire has said. The continuous self-immolation activities are all a waste of time. It is like kids going to extremes (Like killing themselves, or attempt in suicide), it would not have any reaction ftom the Chinese are looking for you. Hence, with self-immolation is useless and a waste of time.

The self immolations do not serve a purpose other than to draw attention to China and to feed more poor me stories of the CTA. It dosent do anything else that is useful other than that. In fact, it causes more harm than good as people sacrifice themselves unnecessarily for a lost cause, a cause that will never really materialize for a very long time due to the negative karma of the CTA and also the fact that CTA is carelessly allowing innocent people who dont know any better to die just like that...sad.