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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2018, 10:45:54 PM »
It just simply does not make sense that he as a self-proclaimed expert in Buddhism could even think of fly fishing. Is there a compassionate way to harm a fish? If there is none then what delusion does he operate out from. Just photo opportunity with the Dalali Lama and he represent the Dalai Lama. Then he trolls the internet looking for people to cyber-harrass cyber-abuse and threatens Dorje Shugden practitioners. He even endorsed sex predators like Sogyal Lakar. What kind of Buddhist is that?

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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2018, 03:12:41 PM »
It just simply does not make sense that he as a self-proclaimed expert in Buddhism could even think of fly fishing. Is there a compassionate way to harm a fish? If there is none then what delusion does he operate out from. Just photo opportunity with the Dalali Lama and he represent the Dalai Lama. Then he trolls the internet looking for people to cyber-harrass cyber-abuse and threatens Dorje Shugden practitioners. He even endorsed sex predators like Sogyal Lakar. What kind of Buddhist is that?

Robert Thurman is not qualified to be called an expert in Tibetan Buddhism. If he is, he will have compassion for all sentient beings. He will not discriminate Dorje Shugden followers and he will not encourage killing. He will try to bring harmony between people of different faiths.

Robert Thurman was ordained as a monk before and later he disrobed to get married. I am not saying he cannot disrobe, but that shows how stable his mind is. Making the choice to become a monk shouldn't be taken lightly, he should have thought about it before becoming ordained.

Look at his mind then and now, there is not much of difference. He did not become kinder or more compassionate. He spreads hatred, put down Dorje Shugden followers, he also tries to split the students from their guru. This is very bad, we cannot encourage people to leave their guru, he should know that since he is an expert. Many things he does do not match with the things he preaches. How can you expect him to bring you to enlightenment?

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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2018, 04:24:20 PM »
It just simply does not make sense that he as a self-proclaimed expert in Buddhism could even think of fly fishing. Is there a compassionate way to harm a fish? If there is none then what delusion does he operate out from. Just photo opportunity with the Dalai Lama and he represent the Dalai Lama. Then he trolls the internet looking for people to cyber-harass cyber-abuse and threatens Dorje Shugden practitioners. He even endorsed sex predators like Sogyal Lakar. What kind of Buddhist is that?

Robert Thurman is no Buddhist. His endorsement of Sogyal the sex abuser is just disgusting. Come to think of it, these sexual abuse rings usually share their victims among the ringleaders. I will not be surprised if Robert Thurman had benefitted from Sogyal's abuse of his students. No wonder the rumours of Sogyal's horrendous deeds had been around for 20 years but Robert Thurman still did not say anything.

Uma Thurman who is Robert Thurman's daughter had been sexually abused. How would she think if her father hangs out with a sexual abuse perpetrator instead of supporting her as the victim of sexual abuse? Clearly, Robert Thurman does not care about what his daughter thinks and only focuses on what he wants from Sogyal which is fame, money and maybe some special favours too.

Robert Thurman's involvement in the anti-Shugden activity shows that he is only doing the Dharma for his own gain. Those who do not benefit him will be cast aside or put down if they interfered with his benefits. There is no compassion or kindness coming from his side ever to those who he could not get benefit from, just like Dorje Shugden people.



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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2018, 05:46:22 PM »
And when you are stupid and angry, you become a dingbat, because he just Exposé and  CONFIRMED that his boss Mr Thurman and him are fake Buddhist and they run a business not for healing but for monetary gains. Look at what he replied to Indy Hack by asking him to try "compassionate fishing". Like WHAT?! Is he stupid or is he stoned? I think both!




At the first glance, I did think that it was a stupid response from the owner. Being in the service industry, you don't go round insulting others with allegations in public. Bad PR! This is on top of stupidity that Indy Hack have to stay there before he can point out the cruelty of fly fishing and for him to question about "compassionate fishing". Such arrogance!

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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2018, 10:00:50 PM »
Books by Thurman are barely selling. His 'lectures' are barely attended. His Medicine Buddha 'spa' is not doing well. Thurman does not get along with other Tibetan-English translators nor is he their caliber. Traditionally he is jealous of them. He is not doing well. On twitter he spews so much anger and hatred. He does not seem like a Buddhist 'scholar' but sounds more like a member of the KKK. He has had anger issues for most of his adult life.


Basically he is not popular and what tiny popularity he 'enjoyed' for a while was because of leeching off the Dalai Lama's fame which is fading fast. It's curtains for Bob Thurman the fisherman.

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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2018, 11:13:07 PM »
For the little fame that Bob Thurman is dying for, he wouldn't mind supporting sexual abuser like Sogyal Lakar. His own daughter Uma Thurman was also a victim of sexual abuse but he couldn't care less. Throughout his career, his focus has been to leech off famous people to sustain his monthly income. Being the Dalai Lama's man in the US has brought him the Menla Dewa spa that promotes the killing of animals and a Tibet House, according to the Charity Navigator, has poor accountability and transparency for their finances. In order to distract others from his lousy scholarship and his leeching off strategy, he resorted into hiring Anon and trolls to attack innocent Shugden Buddhists. That's the summary of Thurman's life.

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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2018, 07:05:41 PM »
For the little fame that Bob Thurman is dying for, he wouldn't mind supporting sexual abuser like Sogyal Lakar. His own daughter Uma Thurman was also a victim of sexual abuse but he couldn't care less. Throughout his career, his focus has been to leech off famous people to sustain his monthly income. Being the Dalai Lama's man in the US has brought him the Menla Dewa spa that promotes the killing of animals and a Tibet House, according to the Charity Navigator, has poor accountability and transparency for their finances. In order to distract others from his lousy scholarship and his leeching off strategy, he resorted into hiring Anon and trolls to attack innocent Shugden Buddhists. That's the summary of Thurman's life.

Robert Thurman has spent almost his whole life studying Buddhism (or maybe he didn't) but his result shows that he has studied but he has not practiced. If he has put the Dharma in practice, why is he encouraging killing? This is against the basic Buddhist vows of not killing. He even wanted to hire people to attack Dorje Shugden followers, how Buddhist is that?

He was ordained before and then disrobed but somehow with his connection, he got himself a professor title in the university. I have no issue with him disrobing, but it was his action that makes people doubt his practice. Everything he does lead people to think he is driven by the money. Has anyone seen him going out to help the needy or organising some kind of activity to promote Buddha's teachings? He is busy entertaining his rich and famous friends.

The limelight he has is from the Dalai Lama. Many people like the Dalai Lama and they are able to get connected to him if they have a good relationship with Robert Thurman. Robert Thurman knows this as well, so he is leveraging his good relationship with the Dalai Lama to get some benefits for himself. Once the Dalai Lama is not here anymore,  I think no one will bother to maintain a relationship with him.

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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2018, 01:37:28 AM »
For the little fame that Bob Thurman is dying for, he wouldn't mind supporting sexual abuser like Sogyal Lakar. His own daughter Uma Thurman was also a victim of sexual abuse but he couldn't care less. Throughout his career, his focus has been to leech off famous people to sustain his monthly income. Being the Dalai Lama's man in the US has brought him the Menla Dewa spa that promotes the killing of animals and a Tibet House, according to the Charity Navigator, has poor accountability and transparency for their finances. In order to distract others from his lousy scholarship and his leeching off strategy, he resorted into hiring Anon and trolls to attack innocent Shugden Buddhists. That's the summary of Thurman's life.

Robert Thurman has spent almost his whole life studying Buddhism (or maybe he didn't) but his result shows that he has studied but he has not practiced. If he has put the Dharma in practice, why is he encouraging killing? This is against the basic Buddhist vows of not killing. He even wanted to hire people to attack Dorje Shugden followers, how Buddhist is that?

He was ordained before and then disrobed but somehow with his connection, he got himself a professor title in the university. I have no issue with him disrobing, but it was his action that makes people doubt his practice. Everything he does lead people to think he is driven by the money. Has anyone seen him going out to help the needy or organising some kind of activity to promote Buddha's teachings? He is busy entertaining his rich and famous friends.

The limelight he has is from the Dalai Lama. Many people like the Dalai Lama and they are able to get connected to him if they have a good relationship with Robert Thurman. Robert Thurman knows this as well, so he is leveraging his good relationship with the Dalai Lama to get some benefits for himself. Once the Dalai Lama is not here anymore,  I think no one will bother to maintain a relationship with him.

I dont think he really put his heart into studying Buddhism. He is just studying it for the benefits that come with it. He was the first western monk that was ordained by His Holiness the Dalai Lama and I think he is doing it to get famous. Just after 2 years of being a monk, he disrobed and went on to live a secular life and got married. If he had really treasured the Dharma, he would be still a monk and holding monk vows.

Another proof that he is not really practising Dharma is to see his way of handling the Dorje Shugden issue. He was criticising Dorje Shugden practitioners online publicly using hate speech and openly stated that he would like to hack Dorje Shugden people's account. By the way, that is illegal. How can a Buddhist professor acted so negatively towards another Buddhist even if he does not agree with their choice of deity?

He even went to the extent of hiring a 2 person to create multiple anonymous accounts to attack these Dorje Shugden practitioners online with vulgarities, and racist names. This is not an act of a Buddhist professor or an ex-monk should have. They should have known better than creating all these negative karma.

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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2018, 08:14:24 PM »
Come on! Bobbie is not difficult to figure out at all! He is just using Buddhism to get what he wants! He is a failure and a loser so he had to be in the Dalai Lama's shadow to get his book to sell. Unlike other great Tibetan Buddhism scholars like Glenn Mullin, Donald Lopez, Jeffrey Hopkins and etc., Bobbie's books are not popular. To sell them, he constantly gives favours to the stupid CTA so they give him favours by getting the Dalai Lama to write the Foreword for his books. Buddhism is just a business for him. In the name of Buddhism, he got the flyfishing promoter Menla Dewa Spa to do dirty business and Tibet House to laundry money. There is nothing Buddhist about him. He is just a loser leeching off the Dalai Lama because that's all he knows how to do.

It is difficult for me to understand how a 'so-called' Buddhist professor can encourage the killing of fishes for recreation purposes. Actually, many of Robert Thurman's actions are not in accordance with Buddhism:

> He is known to call Shugden Buddhists as Taliban
> He solicited hacking from the anonymous group
> Now, he encouragesw the killing of fishes.

For him to be regarded as "The Dalai Lama's Man in America," is a disaster for the good name of His Holiness.

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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2018, 09:30:03 PM »
Go back to your murderous campaign Thurman.

Thurman's an embarrassment for Tibetans and Tibetan Buddhists. I can tell you for a fact, he does not speak for me.

He's dreaming if he thinks he is important to us. Once the eulogies are done and dusted, he will be forgotten just like how Elliot Sperling's name (Om mani peme hum) is no longer on anyone's lips. You can speak Tibetan, dress Tibetan, pray Tibetan and all of this may delude you into thinking you're one of us but the truth is once you're dead, amala and pala are going to forget all about you and have absolutely no idea what you did with us. Because for us, it's the Dalai Lama and no one else (certainly not the rotating cast of injis around him).

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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2018, 05:24:23 PM »
Thurman co-founded the Tibet House supposedly to fight for the Tibetans rights and the Tibet cause. However, it has been proven that the Tibet House is just another revenue for him. He promotes and encourages self-immolation to garner donations for Tibet House and there are no financial statements for the donors or members to refer to yearly on how the funds are being used. Take a wild guess how Menla Dewa Spa sustain without business for promoting killing and animals cruelty?

Go back to your murderous campaign Thurman.

Thurman's an embarrassment for Tibetans and Tibetan Buddhists. I can tell you for a fact, he does not speak for me.

He's dreaming if he thinks he is important to us. Once the eulogies are done and dusted, he will be forgotten just like how Elliot Sperling's name (Om mani peme hum) is no longer on anyone's lips. You can speak Tibetan, dress Tibetan, pray Tibetan and all of this may delude you into thinking you're one of us but the truth is once you're dead, amala and pala are going to forget all about you and have absolutely no idea what you did with us. Because for us, it's the Dalai Lama and no one else (certainly not the rotating cast of injis around him).

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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2018, 11:15:00 PM »
Poor Chap! Must be that one eye which made him see only one side of things and can't handle the two sides of the balance. Well, whatever it may be, it is still his choice of which side he chose. Till now, he still chooses his ego and greed over what should be real practices that his Gurus must have given him in the past. Writing books does not constitute intelligence or wisdom. If it is not selling well then it must have been "bull---t" without the true realization to hold people's attention. Definitely no care for others including his own daughter who suffered the #MeToo syndrome. What a sad life he leads.

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« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2018, 01:17:56 PM »
Robert Thurman is a big hypocrite. He has a big title but he doesn't practice what he is preaching. He started to learn Buddhism when it was still quite new to the Westerners, this was how he could claim he is an expert in this field.

If he really practises Buddhism, he would not try to hire hackers online to attack Dorje Shugden followers. He would not show anger and hostility towards the Dorje Shugden followers. A Buddhist is supposed to be compassionate and tolerating but he is not.

What worse is that his retreat center encourages people to participate in fly fishing activity. This is considered killing, a Buddhist has taken the vow of not to kill, how can he forget about it? The only reason he conveniently forgets about the no killing vow is that money is more important than anything else for him.

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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2019, 03:34:28 AM »
Poor Chap! Must be that one eye which made him see only one side of things and can't handle the two sides of the balance. Well, whatever it may be, it is still his choice of which side he chose. Till now, he still chooses his ego and greed over what should be real practices that his Gurus must have given him in the past. Writing books does not constitute intelligence or wisdom. If it is not selling well then it must have been "bull---t" without the true realization to hold people's attention. Definitely no care for others including his own daughter who suffered the #MeToo syndrome. What a sad life he leads.

Robert Thurman might have the Professor title in the field of Buddhism study but it does not mean he is a real Buddhist practitioner.  I have read some research paper written by other scholars, they don't like to make references to Robert Thurman's writing because he appears to be quite biased. Because he needs favours from the CTA to endorse him, therefore, he is very pro-CTA.

If Robert Thurman is a real Buddhist practitioner, he will not spread hate speech and try to hire hackers to create troubles to Dorje Shugden people. Besides that, he also encourages people who join the meditation program in his center to participate in fly fishing. What kind of Buddhist does that? Doesn't he hold the vow of not killing which is the basic refuge vow?

Not only that, but he is also very close to some lamas who are involved in sex scandals. Many victims have reported the abuse to the authority, why is Robert Thurman still so close to these lamas? His own daughter is also a victim to sexual abuse, what message is he trying to send to his daughter? Obviously, he only wants fame and money, other things are not important to him.

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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2019, 01:55:53 PM »
Robert Thurman is not a real Buddhist professor. He is not practicing any of the Buddhist teachings that he gives. He is just using Buddhism as a tool to get him fame and also money. It is very obvious that from the start when he got ordained it is for fame because he will be the first person in the west to be ordained by His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

However, he quickly disrobed after that and got married. This shows that he is not determined to be a monk in the first place and whatever he did is just for self-benefit. It is just a quick way to get fame for him. Since he is close to His Holiness the Dalai Lama, he is able to get His Holiness to promote his book and he often gets His Holiness to endorse his books.

Although he is a Buddhist "scholar", he is quite ignorant about Buddhism and he is definitely not practicing Buddhism himself. He promotes fishing as a sport at his spa and also he discriminates people who are worshipping their own religion on Twitter. He even went to the extend to solicit hacker to attack his enemies. This is not the conduct of a true Buddhist.