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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: dsnowlion on July 12, 2018, 07:19:58 PM
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This is so disgusting! I knew it, this so-called Professor Robert Thurman is nothing but a fake Buddhist expert. Why didn't he consider fishes to be his mothers too in a previous life? What kind of Buddhist promotes fishing and what more he has his boy Justin actually asking someone to actually go do some compassionate fishing? My gosh, wonder what kind of Buddhism they are teaching there!
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Robert Thurman Encourages Killing for Recreation
There is one prominent characteristic of genuine spirituality, which is ‘consistency’ and this is especially true in Tibetan Buddhism with its focus on lineage. All authentic masters of Tibetan Buddhism and indeed all religions and spiritual paths will tell you that at the very minimum, a person must be kind, compassionate, honest and practice right livelihood which is not to make a living based on deception and dishonesty. And it is precisely this that makes Professor Robert (Bob) Thurman and his Menla Dewa Spa business very disturbing.
Bob Thurman is regarded as somewhat of an expert in the knowledge and practice of Tibetan Buddhism and regards the Dalai Lama as his teacher. The Dalai Lama on his part is supposed to be the embodiment and personification of compassion. Bob Thurman has written quite a few books on Buddhism, all of which ultimately advocate kindness and the generation of an inner wisdom that regards all phenomena and life in a fair and non-dualistic way.
Menla Dewa Spa is Bob Thurman’s business built on an image of wellness and healing based on Tibetan Buddhist principles. Menla itself refers to the Medicine Buddha and Bob Thurman presents Menla Dewa Spa as “Tibet in the Catskills” which is how Thurman takes advantage of the Hollywood image of Tibet as Shangrila, or heaven. According to Bob, at Menla you heal your mind and body, you become one with your environment, you sharpen your awareness and you study under ‘world class teachers’ (namely Thurman himself as his picture accompanies the caption on Menla’s promotional materials).
Great taglines and buzzwords, but are any of these real? The problem with fake spirituality is eventually you slip and expose yourself and this is precisely Bob Thurman’s problem – he cannot keep up with his own rhetoric.
While Bob Thurman preaches great kindness and tolerance in his classes, his Menla spa has been inviting Menla participants to extend their search for healing into activities such as killing other sentient beings for pleasure. Continue full article: [url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/robert-thurman-encourages-killing-for-recreation/[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/robert-thurman-encourages-killing-for-recreation/[/url])
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Can you imagine Thurman do this for the commission from Esopus Creel? He is so greedy that he didn't mind to promote killing on Menla Dewa Spa's official site. The more you expose him, the more you see how much he used dharma for money.
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It looks like he doesn't read his own books.
Does he really write these books?
I mean, he should now that Buddhists do not kill??
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You should know all his books manage to sell because he got the Dalai Lama to write the foreword for all of them. Since he is loaded (we will not discuss where he gets his money from now), he can easily hire ghostwriters for him, just like how Sogyal did it. When you have money, you can do anything.
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It looks like he doesn't read his own books.
Does he really write these books?
I mean, he should now that Buddhists do not kill??
Old Bob just writes the books for $$$. He doesn't practise what he writes or podcasts. He is taking photos with Dalai Lama to make himself look like a legit prof and Buddhist author. Pity the many people out there that he has scammed with his Buddhist alter ego.
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What do you expect from someone who disrobed and got married again?
In all honesty no one would say anything to this nasty old man if only he was actually kind and practice real Buddhism instead of judging others and condemning Dorje Shugden. It is very sad to see this being done by a so-called well-educated professor supposedly Buddhist scholar. I guess everything is just another marketing tool to look good and make money! Nevermind about how many fishes gets killed or how many people he helped give pain towards. Pain when he supports the division of students with their teachers, people with their family and friends. All this karma will surely come back to him making him a very bitter old man.
At his age, he should be gracious, honourable and have some real dignity and never talk negatively about other people's religion. He should be meditating, teaching or taking people on holy pilgrimages like Glenn Mulin and never take sides in such sensitive issues. Spirituality is something sacred and people's own personal choice. He also forgot America practices religious freedom, so why must he criticise Shugden, it was WRONG for him to do that?
He should realise he is NOT the Dalai Lama. Maybe the Dalai Lama is doing this for a higher motivation and is a Bodhisattva who can control his rebirth, as for Thurman... I fear at the time of his death, all the nasty things he did and say is gonna come get him. I guess he thought just cause he is close to the Dalai Lama he is exempted from karma 8)
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Justin Stone-Diaz is Robert Thurman's podcast manager on the surface but troll on social media. He would defend his 'guru' when he thought Thurman is being attacked. In one of the attachments below, you can see he uses Menla's internet to attack others on the day Robert Thurman selling dharma there. His reply to Indy Hack on Google was not surprising but it shows clearly that they are cyber bullies who attack others based on their religious choice.
Mr. Stone-Diaz represented Menla to regard others' religion as a cult and judge them based on that, indirectly saying Menla ban Shugden people to their center. Not like Shugden people would be so silly to pay Thurman with his anti-Shugden campaign but America is supposed to support religious freedom so others religion is none of their business. The very basis of wellness is equilibrium and connection with everyone and the environment and to look for what keeps people together and not what separates people.
In addition, Mr. Stone-Diaz also lied about the fly fishing tweet that Menla has posted to promote killing for recreation. He insisted it was a retweet and what we see is a tweet. He is so used to lying that he ignored the truth and evidence. This is a result of constant lying about the Shugden truth and Thurman's true nature - sell Dalai Lama for fame, money and power.
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And when you are stupid and angry, you become a dingbat, because he just Exposé and CONFIRMED that his boss Mr Thurman and him are fake Buddhist and they run a business not for healing but for monetary gains. Look at what he replied to Indy Hack by asking him to try "compassionate fishing". Like WHAT?! Is he stupid or is he stoned? I think both!
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So, you go to this Menla Dewa Spa trying to get healed and generate compassion. After the program, you can extend your stay to do fishing? So what do you get from going to Menla? Becoming someone more compassionate or someone more violent? This doesn't make any sense. I would think the extended program should be something like visiting an orphanage, old folks home or animal shelter, or even feeding the homeless! There are so many good deeds we can do, why kill the fishes?
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So distasteful that he is able to capitalise on Dharma and Dalai Lama so blatantly yet many are still "blind" to this. All because people irresponsibly do not seek out the truth but work with fixed conclusion as stated by others. To make things worse, they then perpetuate the wrong by blindly reacting and even coming up with questionable reasons to conveniently support such tainted conclusion.
Seriously, why give so much credibility to a self-proclaimed first Western Buddhist monk who actually disrobed to get married? And he abandoned his initial family to explore spirituality and then get the vows only to subsequently give them up and get married again. More so when his actions, from his personal inability to take vows and his Dharma practice seriously; to his not so covert hate campaigns against Dorje Shugden practitioners (even with illegal means of soliciting hackers) reflect how illogical to consider this as someone who is an expert in Tibetan Buddhism.
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I hope that the Dalai Lama disassociates with Robert Thurman who obviously is not a Buddhist that you would like to be connected with. I mean no disrespect but someone who has such a long career in Buddhism should know better and not killing animals and encourage his friends to do so.
Thurman has a really strange approach to Buddhism!
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I hope that the Dalai Lama disassociates with Robert Thurman who obviously is not a Buddhist that you would like to be connected with. I mean no disrespect but someone who has such a long career in Buddhism should know better and not killing animals and encourage his friends to do so.
Thurman has a really strange approach to Buddhism!
What do you expect from someone who grovels over Dorje Shugden because he was rejected? I guess Domo Geshe Rinpoche knew he was off from the beginning. That is why many are calling him a fake Buddhist scholar. Just compare him with his other peers, for example, someone like Glen Mulin, who although does not practice Dorje Shugden, but he has some Buddhist principles and is ethical enough not to speak negatively about Dorje Shugden. Instead, he remains neutral. This is how a true Buddhist scholar/teacher should behave.
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It is difficult for me to understand how a 'so-called' Buddhist professor can encourage the killing of fishes for recreation purposes. Actually, many of Robert Thurman's actions are not in accordance with Buddhism:
> He is known to call Shugden Buddhists as Taliban
> He solicited hacking from the anonymous group
> Now, he encouragesw the killing of fishes.
For him to be regarded as "The Dalai Lama's Man in America," is a disaster for the good name of His Holiness.
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Robert Thurman is one of the famous so-called Tibetan Buddhism experts in the west. He started his learning journey in the 60's and got to know the Dalai Lama. He was once an ordained monk but later disrobed and got married.
An expert like him should be very familiar with Buddhist philosophy. He should know a Buddhist have to refrain from killing. But yet, his retreat center is encouraging people to kill fishes. He should be promoting compassion for all sentient beings but why he is he doing the opposite?
I guess he does not have the compassion for all sentient beings because he discriminates Dorje Shugden followers too. He uses his twitter account to spread negative news about Dorje Shugden followers and criticises Dorje Shugden lamas. His compassion is not for all sentient beings, it is limited to people who can bring him money and fame. How sad...
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Such a fake Buddhist professor. He should stop being identified as being a Buddhist professor because it makes him look bad. Where on earth a Buddhist professor will encourage fishing? The action itself creates so much of suffering no matter you will release it back to the river or not. There is no such thing as compassionate fishing.
Fishing IS already creating more suffering.
What makes it worst is that he promotes fishing at his Buddhist spa in Catskills. Why is a Buddhist meditation centre that promotes love, peace and healing promoting a killing act? Isn't that against what they are doing? Where is their compassion for the fishes? So they will be learning about compassionate and meditate in kindness and end their sessions with torturing of fishes?
That does not make any sense. He is supposed to be Dalai Lama's man in America. He should know that that one of the refuge vows is do not kill. Why is he promoting such activity ? He must be doing it to promote his spa business. How bad is it that he had to resort to such activity to promote his spa? That is why he is the biggest hypocrite on the Buddhist scene now.
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It just simply does not make sense that he as a self-proclaimed expert in Buddhism could even think of fly fishing. Is there a compassionate way to harm a fish? If there is none then what delusion does he operate out from. Just photo opportunity with the Dalali Lama and he represent the Dalai Lama. Then he trolls the internet looking for people to cyber-harrass cyber-abuse and threatens Dorje Shugden practitioners. He even endorsed sex predators like Sogyal Lakar. What kind of Buddhist is that?
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It just simply does not make sense that he as a self-proclaimed expert in Buddhism could even think of fly fishing. Is there a compassionate way to harm a fish? If there is none then what delusion does he operate out from. Just photo opportunity with the Dalali Lama and he represent the Dalai Lama. Then he trolls the internet looking for people to cyber-harrass cyber-abuse and threatens Dorje Shugden practitioners. He even endorsed sex predators like Sogyal Lakar. What kind of Buddhist is that?
Robert Thurman is not qualified to be called an expert in Tibetan Buddhism. If he is, he will have compassion for all sentient beings. He will not discriminate Dorje Shugden followers and he will not encourage killing. He will try to bring harmony between people of different faiths.
Robert Thurman was ordained as a monk before and later he disrobed to get married. I am not saying he cannot disrobe, but that shows how stable his mind is. Making the choice to become a monk shouldn't be taken lightly, he should have thought about it before becoming ordained.
Look at his mind then and now, there is not much of difference. He did not become kinder or more compassionate. He spreads hatred, put down Dorje Shugden followers, he also tries to split the students from their guru. This is very bad, we cannot encourage people to leave their guru, he should know that since he is an expert. Many things he does do not match with the things he preaches. How can you expect him to bring you to enlightenment?
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It just simply does not make sense that he as a self-proclaimed expert in Buddhism could even think of fly fishing. Is there a compassionate way to harm a fish? If there is none then what delusion does he operate out from. Just photo opportunity with the Dalai Lama and he represent the Dalai Lama. Then he trolls the internet looking for people to cyber-harass cyber-abuse and threatens Dorje Shugden practitioners. He even endorsed sex predators like Sogyal Lakar. What kind of Buddhist is that?
Robert Thurman is no Buddhist. His endorsement of Sogyal the sex abuser is just disgusting. Come to think of it, these sexual abuse rings usually share their victims among the ringleaders. I will not be surprised if Robert Thurman had benefitted from Sogyal's abuse of his students. No wonder the rumours of Sogyal's horrendous deeds had been around for 20 years but Robert Thurman still did not say anything.
Uma Thurman who is Robert Thurman's daughter had been sexually abused. How would she think if her father hangs out with a sexual abuse perpetrator instead of supporting her as the victim of sexual abuse? Clearly, Robert Thurman does not care about what his daughter thinks and only focuses on what he wants from Sogyal which is fame, money and maybe some special favours too.
Robert Thurman's involvement in the anti-Shugden activity shows that he is only doing the Dharma for his own gain. Those who do not benefit him will be cast aside or put down if they interfered with his benefits. There is no compassion or kindness coming from his side ever to those who he could not get benefit from, just like Dorje Shugden people.
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And when you are stupid and angry, you become a dingbat, because he just Exposé and CONFIRMED that his boss Mr Thurman and him are fake Buddhist and they run a business not for healing but for monetary gains. Look at what he replied to Indy Hack by asking him to try "compassionate fishing". Like WHAT?! Is he stupid or is he stoned? I think both!
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At the first glance, I did think that it was a stupid response from the owner. Being in the service industry, you don't go round insulting others with allegations in public. Bad PR! This is on top of stupidity that Indy Hack have to stay there before he can point out the cruelty of fly fishing and for him to question about "compassionate fishing". Such arrogance!
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Books by Thurman are barely selling. His 'lectures' are barely attended. His Medicine Buddha 'spa' is not doing well. Thurman does not get along with other Tibetan-English translators nor is he their caliber. Traditionally he is jealous of them. He is not doing well. On twitter he spews so much anger and hatred. He does not seem like a Buddhist 'scholar' but sounds more like a member of the KKK. He has had anger issues for most of his adult life.
Basically he is not popular and what tiny popularity he 'enjoyed' for a while was because of leeching off the Dalai Lama's fame which is fading fast. It's curtains for Bob Thurman the fisherman.
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For the little fame that Bob Thurman is dying for, he wouldn't mind supporting sexual abuser like Sogyal Lakar. His own daughter Uma Thurman was also a victim of sexual abuse but he couldn't care less. Throughout his career, his focus has been to leech off famous people to sustain his monthly income. Being the Dalai Lama's man in the US has brought him the Menla Dewa spa that promotes the killing of animals and a Tibet House, according to the Charity Navigator, has poor accountability and transparency for their finances. In order to distract others from his lousy scholarship and his leeching off strategy, he resorted into hiring Anon and trolls to attack innocent Shugden Buddhists. That's the summary of Thurman's life.
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For the little fame that Bob Thurman is dying for, he wouldn't mind supporting sexual abuser like Sogyal Lakar. His own daughter Uma Thurman was also a victim of sexual abuse but he couldn't care less. Throughout his career, his focus has been to leech off famous people to sustain his monthly income. Being the Dalai Lama's man in the US has brought him the Menla Dewa spa that promotes the killing of animals and a Tibet House, according to the Charity Navigator, has poor accountability and transparency for their finances. In order to distract others from his lousy scholarship and his leeching off strategy, he resorted into hiring Anon and trolls to attack innocent Shugden Buddhists. That's the summary of Thurman's life.
Robert Thurman has spent almost his whole life studying Buddhism (or maybe he didn't) but his result shows that he has studied but he has not practiced. If he has put the Dharma in practice, why is he encouraging killing? This is against the basic Buddhist vows of not killing. He even wanted to hire people to attack Dorje Shugden followers, how Buddhist is that?
He was ordained before and then disrobed but somehow with his connection, he got himself a professor title in the university. I have no issue with him disrobing, but it was his action that makes people doubt his practice. Everything he does lead people to think he is driven by the money. Has anyone seen him going out to help the needy or organising some kind of activity to promote Buddha's teachings? He is busy entertaining his rich and famous friends.
The limelight he has is from the Dalai Lama. Many people like the Dalai Lama and they are able to get connected to him if they have a good relationship with Robert Thurman. Robert Thurman knows this as well, so he is leveraging his good relationship with the Dalai Lama to get some benefits for himself. Once the Dalai Lama is not here anymore, I think no one will bother to maintain a relationship with him.
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For the little fame that Bob Thurman is dying for, he wouldn't mind supporting sexual abuser like Sogyal Lakar. His own daughter Uma Thurman was also a victim of sexual abuse but he couldn't care less. Throughout his career, his focus has been to leech off famous people to sustain his monthly income. Being the Dalai Lama's man in the US has brought him the Menla Dewa spa that promotes the killing of animals and a Tibet House, according to the Charity Navigator, has poor accountability and transparency for their finances. In order to distract others from his lousy scholarship and his leeching off strategy, he resorted into hiring Anon and trolls to attack innocent Shugden Buddhists. That's the summary of Thurman's life.
Robert Thurman has spent almost his whole life studying Buddhism (or maybe he didn't) but his result shows that he has studied but he has not practiced. If he has put the Dharma in practice, why is he encouraging killing? This is against the basic Buddhist vows of not killing. He even wanted to hire people to attack Dorje Shugden followers, how Buddhist is that?
He was ordained before and then disrobed but somehow with his connection, he got himself a professor title in the university. I have no issue with him disrobing, but it was his action that makes people doubt his practice. Everything he does lead people to think he is driven by the money. Has anyone seen him going out to help the needy or organising some kind of activity to promote Buddha's teachings? He is busy entertaining his rich and famous friends.
The limelight he has is from the Dalai Lama. Many people like the Dalai Lama and they are able to get connected to him if they have a good relationship with Robert Thurman. Robert Thurman knows this as well, so he is leveraging his good relationship with the Dalai Lama to get some benefits for himself. Once the Dalai Lama is not here anymore, I think no one will bother to maintain a relationship with him.
I dont think he really put his heart into studying Buddhism. He is just studying it for the benefits that come with it. He was the first western monk that was ordained by His Holiness the Dalai Lama and I think he is doing it to get famous. Just after 2 years of being a monk, he disrobed and went on to live a secular life and got married. If he had really treasured the Dharma, he would be still a monk and holding monk vows.
Another proof that he is not really practising Dharma is to see his way of handling the Dorje Shugden issue. He was criticising Dorje Shugden practitioners online publicly using hate speech and openly stated that he would like to hack Dorje Shugden people's account. By the way, that is illegal. How can a Buddhist professor acted so negatively towards another Buddhist even if he does not agree with their choice of deity?
He even went to the extent of hiring a 2 person to create multiple anonymous accounts to attack these Dorje Shugden practitioners online with vulgarities, and racist names. This is not an act of a Buddhist professor or an ex-monk should have. They should have known better than creating all these negative karma.
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Come on! Bobbie is not difficult to figure out at all! He is just using Buddhism to get what he wants! He is a failure and a loser so he had to be in the Dalai Lama's shadow to get his book to sell. Unlike other great Tibetan Buddhism scholars like Glenn Mullin, Donald Lopez, Jeffrey Hopkins and etc., Bobbie's books are not popular. To sell them, he constantly gives favours to the stupid CTA so they give him favours by getting the Dalai Lama to write the Foreword for his books. Buddhism is just a business for him. In the name of Buddhism, he got the flyfishing promoter Menla Dewa Spa to do dirty business and Tibet House to laundry money. There is nothing Buddhist about him. He is just a loser leeching off the Dalai Lama because that's all he knows how to do.
It is difficult for me to understand how a 'so-called' Buddhist professor can encourage the killing of fishes for recreation purposes. Actually, many of Robert Thurman's actions are not in accordance with Buddhism:
> He is known to call Shugden Buddhists as Taliban
> He solicited hacking from the anonymous group
> Now, he encouragesw the killing of fishes.
For him to be regarded as "The Dalai Lama's Man in America," is a disaster for the good name of His Holiness.
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Go back to your murderous campaign Thurman.
Thurman's an embarrassment for Tibetans and Tibetan Buddhists. I can tell you for a fact, he does not speak for me.
He's dreaming if he thinks he is important to us. Once the eulogies are done and dusted, he will be forgotten just like how Elliot Sperling's name (Om mani peme hum) is no longer on anyone's lips. You can speak Tibetan, dress Tibetan, pray Tibetan and all of this may delude you into thinking you're one of us but the truth is once you're dead, amala and pala are going to forget all about you and have absolutely no idea what you did with us. Because for us, it's the Dalai Lama and no one else (certainly not the rotating cast of injis around him).
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Thurman co-founded the Tibet House supposedly to fight for the Tibetans rights and the Tibet cause. However, it has been proven that the Tibet House is just another revenue for him. He promotes and encourages self-immolation to garner donations for Tibet House and there are no financial statements for the donors or members to refer to yearly on how the funds are being used. Take a wild guess how Menla Dewa Spa sustain without business for promoting killing and animals cruelty?
Go back to your murderous campaign Thurman.
Thurman's an embarrassment for Tibetans and Tibetan Buddhists. I can tell you for a fact, he does not speak for me.
He's dreaming if he thinks he is important to us. Once the eulogies are done and dusted, he will be forgotten just like how Elliot Sperling's name (Om mani peme hum) is no longer on anyone's lips. You can speak Tibetan, dress Tibetan, pray Tibetan and all of this may delude you into thinking you're one of us but the truth is once you're dead, amala and pala are going to forget all about you and have absolutely no idea what you did with us. Because for us, it's the Dalai Lama and no one else (certainly not the rotating cast of injis around him).
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Poor Chap! Must be that one eye which made him see only one side of things and can't handle the two sides of the balance. Well, whatever it may be, it is still his choice of which side he chose. Till now, he still chooses his ego and greed over what should be real practices that his Gurus must have given him in the past. Writing books does not constitute intelligence or wisdom. If it is not selling well then it must have been "bull---t" without the true realization to hold people's attention. Definitely no care for others including his own daughter who suffered the #MeToo syndrome. What a sad life he leads.
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Robert Thurman is a big hypocrite. He has a big title but he doesn't practice what he is preaching. He started to learn Buddhism when it was still quite new to the Westerners, this was how he could claim he is an expert in this field.
If he really practises Buddhism, he would not try to hire hackers online to attack Dorje Shugden followers. He would not show anger and hostility towards the Dorje Shugden followers. A Buddhist is supposed to be compassionate and tolerating but he is not.
What worse is that his retreat center encourages people to participate in fly fishing activity. This is considered killing, a Buddhist has taken the vow of not to kill, how can he forget about it? The only reason he conveniently forgets about the no killing vow is that money is more important than anything else for him.
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Poor Chap! Must be that one eye which made him see only one side of things and can't handle the two sides of the balance. Well, whatever it may be, it is still his choice of which side he chose. Till now, he still chooses his ego and greed over what should be real practices that his Gurus must have given him in the past. Writing books does not constitute intelligence or wisdom. If it is not selling well then it must have been "bull---t" without the true realization to hold people's attention. Definitely no care for others including his own daughter who suffered the #MeToo syndrome. What a sad life he leads.
Robert Thurman might have the Professor title in the field of Buddhism study but it does not mean he is a real Buddhist practitioner. I have read some research paper written by other scholars, they don't like to make references to Robert Thurman's writing because he appears to be quite biased. Because he needs favours from the CTA to endorse him, therefore, he is very pro-CTA.
If Robert Thurman is a real Buddhist practitioner, he will not spread hate speech and try to hire hackers to create troubles to Dorje Shugden people. Besides that, he also encourages people who join the meditation program in his center to participate in fly fishing. What kind of Buddhist does that? Doesn't he hold the vow of not killing which is the basic refuge vow?
Not only that, but he is also very close to some lamas who are involved in sex scandals. Many victims have reported the abuse to the authority, why is Robert Thurman still so close to these lamas? His own daughter is also a victim to sexual abuse, what message is he trying to send to his daughter? Obviously, he only wants fame and money, other things are not important to him.
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Robert Thurman is not a real Buddhist professor. He is not practicing any of the Buddhist teachings that he gives. He is just using Buddhism as a tool to get him fame and also money. It is very obvious that from the start when he got ordained it is for fame because he will be the first person in the west to be ordained by His Holiness the Dalai Lama.
However, he quickly disrobed after that and got married. This shows that he is not determined to be a monk in the first place and whatever he did is just for self-benefit. It is just a quick way to get fame for him. Since he is close to His Holiness the Dalai Lama, he is able to get His Holiness to promote his book and he often gets His Holiness to endorse his books.
Although he is a Buddhist "scholar", he is quite ignorant about Buddhism and he is definitely not practicing Buddhism himself. He promotes fishing as a sport at his spa and also he discriminates people who are worshipping their own religion on Twitter. He even went to the extend to solicit hacker to attack his enemies. This is not the conduct of a true Buddhist.
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It is a fact that Robert Thurman is an opportunist and is hungry for money and power. It is very clear he is paid by the CTA, he always follows the footstep of the CTA. When the CTA makes a certain statement, he will always follow. For example, the CTA recognised the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley as the legitimate Karmapa, he then issued a statement to support that.
The CTA is against Dorje Shugden practitioners, we also see that Robert Thurman uses his social media accounts to condemn Dorje Shugden practitioners. Even though he claimed he is a Buddhist, but what kind of benefits has he given to people? He did not set up Dharma centers, the activities he is involved in are always commercial activities.
Robert Thurman sells Dharma for profit. He may be learned but he does not practice. The way he puts down Dorje Shugden followers shows who he is, he just doesn't have compassion and he is not tolerant. Do I want to learn Buddhism from him? Maybe, I can learn from him how not to conduct as a real Buddhist.
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Robert Thurman is very close to the Dalai Lama, there is no doubt. Because of his relationship with the Dalai Lama, people think he is an expert in Tibetan Buddhism and he gets respect. He didn't earn it, he gets it because of the Dalai Lama.
People who are real Buddhists and have studied under great lamas, most of them will do Dharma work to benefit people. Commercial activity is not their priority. Even if they are involved in commercial activity, the money generated is used to spread Dharma, it does not go into their own pocket.
But look at Robert Thurman, did he do anything to benefit people? All the "Dharma" works he does, somehow are related to money. He has been a Buddhist for the past 50 years but he has not established one Dharma centre or a charitable organisation to help the needy. How Buddhist can he be?
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Robert Thurman is very close to the Dalai Lama, there is no doubt. Because of his relationship with the Dalai Lama, people think he is an expert in Tibetan Buddhism and he gets respect. He didn't earn it, he gets it because of the Dalai Lama.
People who are real Buddhists and have studied under great lamas, most of them will do Dharma work to benefit people. Commercial activity is not their priority. Even if they are involved in commercial activity, the money generated is used to spread Dharma, it does not go into their own pocket.
But look at Robert Thurman, did he do anything to benefit people? All the "Dharma" works he does, somehow are related to money. He has been a Buddhist for the past 50 years but he has not established one Dharma centre or a charitable organisation to help the needy. How Buddhist can he be?
Robert Thurman was the first American to be ordained as a Tibetan Buddhist monk, I think he was also the first one to disrobe after just a couple of years. He said in an interview that he thought to fully understand Buddhism, he had to become a monk. Well, if someone wants to be a good cancer doctor, does it mean he or she has to be a cancer patient? After many years of studying Buddhism, he still does not have any realisation.
If he has realisation of what compassion is, he would not have been so harsh towards Dorje Shugden followers. He did not show any compassion or tolerance, but he shows anger. He even encourages the students to leave their Dorje Shugden lamas. He is creating schisms in the Buddhist community, trying to separate the students from their teachers. He even openly hiring hackers to attack Dorje Shugden followers online.
Not only that, but he also encourages killings. His commercialised retreat centre, Menla Dewa Spa offers fly-fishing activity after a meditation program. How Buddhist is that? After the participants meditate on love, peace and compassion then they proceed to kill fish? So does Robert Thurman has any realisation? I really don't think so. What are the good things he has done ever since he started his spiritual journey 50 or 60 years ago?
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I am quite surprised to read this post. The so-called famous Tibetan scholar, Robert Thurman, who acts as a moral compass when condemning Shugden practitioners, is actually encouraging an action that is contrary to the Buddhist teachings - fishing and killing. He is a true hypocrite!
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Robert Thurman is no Buddhist scholar. He does not even know the karma for lying about Dorje Shugden and discriminating against Dorje Shugden people. He even hired trolls to attack Dorje Shugden people online with harsh words and vulgarity to stop them from spreading the Dharma. If he knows the karma of stopping the propagation of Dharma, he would not have done what he had done. Clearly, Robert Thurman knows nothing about karma and even if he does, he chose to ignore it.
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Robert Thurman is an opportunist and he has gotten his fame, power and wealth all because he tapped onto the Dalai Lama's fame when it was so easily accessible. It is true that timing is very important and our success or failure truly depending on that. Thurman was in the right and met the right time to leech off the Dalai Lama. This is how he got where he is today.
And solely because of that, Thurman is voted one of the 100 most influential spiritual persons in the world by Watkin’s spring issue of Mind Body Spirit. The world is really going crazy for giving recognition to people who leech on others fame, instead of those who really contributed tirelessly to humanity.
Note: The Dalai Lama was number 2 in the list last year as well as the year before (2018 and 2017) and number 1 from 2016 to 2012.
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His Holiness Dalai Lama is Third Most Influential Living Person
February 24, 2019 TJ editor
The Tibetan spiritual leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama is listed as one of the most spiritually influential living people in the year 2019. The Watkins’ 2019 list of the 100 Most Spiritually Influential Living People as published by the London based bookshop, His Holiness the Dalai Lama is the top third in the list.
Watkin’s spring issue of Mind Body Spirit published the list of the 100 Most Spiritually Influential Living People. According to the official report of the magazine, the Watkin’s list considered those Living People who are spiritual teachers, activists, authors and thinkers that change the world.
While the number 1 spot of the list is Pope Francis, the second most influential person according to the list is Oprah Winfrey and the third most influential person in the world of 2019 is His Holiness the Dalai Lama, followed by Eckhart Tolle and then Desmond Tutu.
The 100 most influential people’s list consists of the likes of Russel Brand, Thich Nhat Hanh and Paulo Coehlo in the top 20 list. The list further also included Sadhguru (Jaggi Vasudev), Alice Walker, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Robin Sharma, Robert Thurman, Pema Chödrön as well as Andrew Forrest and so on.
According to the official report, the Watkins bookshop in London has been encouraging spiritual discovery and providing seekers with esoteric knowledge for over 120 years. In 2011, it started publishing the 100 list with the goal of celebrating the world’s living spiritual teachers.
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I am quite surprised to read this post. The so-called famous Tibetan scholar, Robert Thurman, who acts as a moral compass when condemning Shugden practitioners, is actually encouraging an action that is contrary to the Buddhist teachings - fishing and killing. He is a true hypocrite!
Robert Thurman is a renown buddhist professor who is also:
1. a disrobed ex-monk
2. known to have “begged” very prominent high Lamas for Dorje Shugden initiation, but now criticising Dorje Shugden practice
3. encourages students to break samaya with their guru
4. promote killing
5. hires trolls to sabotage people
6. what else?
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Robert Thurman is selling Dharma for a living, he does not put Buddhist teachings into practice. If he does, he will not encourage people to kill for fun. How can a Buddhist encourage killing? I don't understand. Just because he is close to the Dalai Lama, it does not make him an expert or someone who deserves respect. His actions say he is an opportunist and he doesn't deserve the expert title.
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I just read this from Wikipedia: Time chose Robert Thurman as one of the 25 most influential Americans of 1997. The more influential he is, the more harm he is creating. I believe this is what it means by during the degenerative ages, dharma is destroyed in the hand of so-called dharma practitioners. He is such a dharma killer.
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I just read this from Wikipedia: Time chose Robert Thurman as one of the 25 most influential Americans of 1997. The more influential he is, the more harm he is creating. I believe this is what it means by during the degenerative ages, dharma is destroyed in the hand of so-called dharma practitioners. He is such a dharma killer.
He is the most influential American of 1997? There must not be much talent in America at that time. On what basis Robert Thurman was awarded the title? Well, he might be very influential in the past, but I think not anymore now.
He has ruined his own reputation with his dealing in the Dorje Shugden controversy. He was not neutral, he wanted to hire hackers to attack Dorje Shugden followers on social media platforms. In addition, he openly criticises Dorje Shugden practice just to be politically correct so he can be in the Dalai Lama's good book.
What makes him lose more credibility is the fish flying activity his retreat centre offers to the participants of his meditation programme. He claims he is a Buddhist, an expert in Tibetan Buddhism but yet he encourages killing. I don't know about other people but I really cannot accept that. He should promote peace and harmony not promoting hatred and killing.
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I just read this from Wikipedia: Time chose Robert Thurman as one of the 25 most influential Americans of 1997. The more influential he is, the more harm he is creating. I believe this is what it means by during the degenerative ages, dharma is destroyed in the hand of so-called dharma practitioners. He is such a dharma killer.
This is sad. Choosing Robert Thurman who knows nuts about Dharma nor is he a real practitioner, is really telling of the state the world is in. All he does is pretentious Dharma and some photo opportunities with the Dalai Lama. Running a wellness center based on Buddhist values and yet encourage killing painfully in fly fishing. Encouraging online abuse of Dorje Shugden practitioners which is totally against Religious Freedom and against Buddhist tenets. He even turned against his Guru for refusing him the initiation into Dorje Shugden practice. Now we know why his Guru did not give him the practice. Such is the wisdom of his Guru. So it is sad that Robert Thurman is an influential person given his easy betrayal and nastiness when he does not get his way.
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Professor Jeffrey Hopkins was one of the most respected Tibetan Buddhist scholars since the 70's. He has translated many oral teachings of the Dalai Lama but you see no news about him and he didn't make it to the influential American list. This is very simple logic because Professor Hopkins is only interested in preserving true dharma.
You don't see him going around condemning others' religious practice and you don't see him attending all the Dalai Lama's events to take pictures. He does not sell his book by leeching the Dalai Lama's fame. He presents his work. There is nothing more to it.
Thurman is everything opposite about it. This is why Thurman is on the list. People in the secular world do not know much. They just share what they think they saw. Often, what they see didn't reflect the truth.
He is the most influential American of 1997? There must not be much talent in America at that time. On what basis Robert Thurman was awarded the title? Well, he might be very influential in the past, but I think not anymore now.
He has ruined his own reputation with his dealing in the Dorje Shugden controversy. He was not neutral, he wanted to hire hackers to attack Dorje Shugden followers on social media platforms. In addition, he openly criticises Dorje Shugden practice just to be politically correct so he can be in the Dalai Lama's good book.
What makes him lose more credibility is the fish flying activity his retreat centre offers to the participants of his meditation programme. He claims he is a Buddhist, an expert in Tibetan Buddhism but yet he encourages killing. I don't know about other people but I really cannot accept that. He should promote peace and harmony not promoting hatred and killing.
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I just read this from Wikipedia: Time chose Robert Thurman as one of the 25 most influential Americans of 1997. The more influential he is, the more harm he is creating. I believe this is what it means by during the degenerative ages, dharma is destroyed in the hand of so-called dharma practitioners. He is such a dharma killer.
This is sad. Choosing Robert Thurman who knows nuts about Dharma nor is he a real practitioner, is really telling of the state the world is in. All he does is pretentious Dharma and some photo opportunities with the Dalai Lama. Running a wellness center based on Buddhist values and yet encourage killing painfully in fly fishing. Encouraging online abuse of Dorje Shugden practitioners which is totally against Religious Freedom and against Buddhist tenets. He even turned against his Guru for refusing him the initiation into Dorje Shugden practice. Now we know why his Guru did not give him the practice. Such is the wisdom of his Guru. So it is sad that Robert Thurman is an influential person given his easy betrayal and nastiness when he does not get his way.
Robert Thurman is really good at branding and promoting himself. He is all about promoting his fame and how good he is. That is why he is the first person to get ordained by His Holiness the Dalai Lama. By doing so, he gains instant fame and then he quickly disrobed after that. He does not really want to be a monk and it is very clear that he did it for fame.
Being a disrobed monk is a shameful thing for a real Dharma practitioner. When we go to places like Nepal or India, being disrobed is shameful and it is not something that we always talked about. Robert Thurman used it as a plus point in promoting himself to convince ignorant people of how good he is that he got the training of a monk last time.
Everything he does is for money and fame. He uses Dharma to gain fame and when it does not serve his purpose, he will forget about it. An example, he promoted fly fishing at his dharma spa to get more customers. He is willing to break his vow of not killing just to get more business for his spa. That is very un-Buddhist like at all.
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No mater how many books your wrote, how many classes you attend, how many session of Dharma you shared, if. if you didn't put into practice it doesn't mean anything at all.
Robert Thurman is a classic example that able to tell the entire sutra but doesn't belief in it. If he walk the talk we will not see him promoting fly fishing. In fact we should see him voice up and protest such activities around his holy area and with his fame he can use it for a right cause. Unfortunately Robert is just interested in more fame and more money. Such celebrity will miss used Buddhism just for their interest and this is what we should highlight and discourage them.
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No mater how many books your wrote, how many classes you attend, how many session of Dharma you shared, if. if you didn't put into practice it doesn't mean anything at all.
Robert Thurman is a classic example that able to tell the entire sutra but doesn't belief in it. If he walk the talk we will not see him promoting fly fishing. In fact we should see him voice up and protest such activities around his holy area and with his fame he can use it for a right cause. Unfortunately Robert is just interested in more fame and more money. Such celebrity will miss used Buddhism just for their interest and this is what we should highlight and discourage them.
Robert Thurman is known to be the Dalai Lama's man in the west. He is very knowledgable, and he knows a lot about Buddhism. However, he did not put those teachings in to practice when he promoted fly fishing at his spa at Catskills, which is against the vow of not killing in Buddhism. He promoted animal cruelty to get more business, which shows that he is not a man with a kind heart.
All he sees is profits and money, and he is willing to kill to get to his goals. That is not the conduct of a Buddhist and let alone, His Holiness's man in America. This brings a bad name to His Holiness's name. He is not doing something that a Buddhist should do, especially someone influential like him.
His actions will affect the mind of others, and it may cause a detrimental effect on their minds. It is essential to protect the mind of others because the influence on the mind will have a long-lasting impact on the person's future and what they will do next.
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These days Robert Thurman is very quiet. I wonder what he has been up to. He hasn't commented on His Holiness' health issue or the Tibet cause for a long time. If he is so devoted to His Holiness, wouldn't he start to comment anything about his health and show concerns, at least? I guess his true colour is obvious, he just used His Holiness fame for his own benefit. Since His Holiness is no longer useful, he just ditches His Holiness and enjoys the benefits, wealth and fame from it.
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These days Robert Thurman is very quiet. I wonder what he has been up to. He hasn't commented on His Holiness' health issue or the Tibet cause for a long time. If he is so devoted to His Holiness, wouldn't he start to comment anything about his health and show concerns, at least? I guess his true colour is obvious, he just used His Holiness fame for his own benefit. Since His Holiness is no longer useful, he just ditches His Holiness and enjoys the benefits, wealth and fame from it.
Robert Thurman is using His Holiness the Dalai Lama to get fame and money all along. Ever since His Holiness is sick and reduced his travellings, Robert did not comment on the Dalai Lama's health or go and visit him. If His Holiness is someone he cared about, he would had paid more attention and more caring towards His Holiness.
I guess he is busying thinking how to boost his spa's business by exploiting anything or anyone that is around him. Since he is willing to promote the killing of fishes, I think he is obviously not listening to His Holiness's teachings which is to show compassion to animals.
For business, he is willing to create negative karma and show a bad example to everyone because he is supposed to be a Buddhist Professor. His lackey, Justin even posted a tweet to justify their actions of killing by saying the Buddha ate meat too. So the Buddha did kill someone in his previous life, does it mean we should kill too? What an irresponsible way to covering for their negative actions.