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For those of you who don't know the "Gaden Phodrang Trust" is the "Private" office of the 14th Dalai Lama.

https://savetibet.org/tibet-press-watch-winter-2012/
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His September 24, 2011 statement says, “If it is decided that the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama should continue and there is a need for the Fifteenth Dalai Lama to be recognized, responsibility for doing so will primarily rest on the concerned officers of the Dalai Lama’s Gaden Phodrang Trust.” The Gaden Phodrang Trust is a reference to the formalization of the office that is currently the “Office of H.H. the Dalai Lama.”

Given that the Chinese Government uses religious institutions to serve its political ends and given the central role of the Dalai Lamas in Tibetan spiritual life, the statement categorically says, “Bear in mind that, apart from the reincarnation recognized through such legitimate methods, no recognition or acceptance should be given to a candidate chosen for political ends by anyone, including those in the People’s Republic of China.”
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So the "Concerned Officers" of the Dalai Lama's "Gaden Phodrang Trust" are HIS handpicked members of his "PRIVATE" office.

Now via the 17th Karmapa the Dalai Lama is telling the Sakya, Nyingma, Kagyu and Bon sects they must be officially part of finding his reincarnation.

This way they are publicly forced to accept the Gaden Phodrang Trusts 15th Dalai Lama that they them selfs help to find and recognized.

They will be sending a message to the Chinese Government that they will not accept a Chinese recognized 15th Dalai Lama.

They will after this recognition all bow to the new anti Dorje Shugden 15th Dalai Lama.

The 14th Dalai Lama has now screwed the Sakya, Nyingma, Kagyu and Bon Sects via the 17th Karmapa's public letter.
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Is the Dalai Lama starting to force other Tibetan Buddhist sects to accept who will pick the next 15th Dalai Lama.

It may have already started with the 17th Karmapa Oygen Thinley Dorje.

On November 27, 2019 he publicly agree to accept the Dalai Lama's "Gaden Phodrang Trust" in particular the "Concerned Officers" giving them the primary responsibility for recognizing the next 15th Dalai Lama.

The tradition in the past was that the Panchen Lama was to find the next incarnation and not the "Gaden Phodrang Trust.

This would mean that the 11th Chinese Panchen Lama would have been task in locating and enthroning the 15th Dalai Lama.

But no more it seems.

In his letter the 17th Karmapa states on pages 4 and 5 the following.

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As this statement makes it clear, there is no need to mention the primary responsibility for recognizing the rebirth lies with the concerned officers of the Dalai Lama's "Gaden Phodrang Trust........Thus, the support and concensus of the high lamas who head the lineages of Tibetan Buddhism, including the Yungdrung Bon.....is essential".
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Now the 17th Karmapa is publicly stating that the other sects MUST officially get involved with recognizing the next 15th Dalai Lama.

This action would be a slap in the face of the Chinese Government who have declared that they will recognize the next 15th Dalai Lama.

It appears that the Dalai Lama has now declared WAR with the Chinese Government.

Is the 17th Karmapa saying all this freely or is he the puppet to the Dalai Lama and the CTA?

Why did he chose to make this public statement at this time?

It should be the Dalai Lama publicly stating the other sects MUST also publicly recognize the "Gaden Phodrang Trust's" 15th Dalai Lama and NOT the Chinese Governments pick.

It is not the Dalai Lama telling the other sects what they must do but the 17th Karmapa acting as the Dalai Lama's mouth piece.

The Dalai Lama is seeking to stop a Chinese 15th Dalai Lama who like the Chinese 11th Panchen Lama pro Dorje Shugden.

Here is a link to an article written by the 17th Ogyen Thinley Dorje Dalai Lama were he makes the public statement.

http://kunkyongtrust.org/2020/01/03/message-of-his-holiness-the-17th-gyalwang-karmapa-for-religious-heads-conference-2019/?fbclid=IwAR0dYHKNZOXqNcRgi0bwVyXIc9LlELFU4V9nqQ_ghU32ny7CrlkLAkxMmoQ
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General Discussion / Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
« Last post by dsnowlion on January 23, 2020, 10:20:46 AM »
Is this good news or is it GREAT NEWS for exile Tibetans hu?

Very interesting article here... according to this news, it is confirmed that the dear Sangay will definitely not be in the next election in 2021. Totally no chance to continue creating havoc!?!?! it is as if he is not allowed to run for President ever again. I wonder where this instructions came from... His Holiness the Dalai Lama? Most probably as we all know His Holiness still has the final say.

Well, I'll cheers to that, because honestly LS is such a huge disappointment! In the beginning we thought there is a real genuine thinker, someone who came from Harvard, surely he can be rational and not discriminate his own people and mix religion and politics, but he did you that all for the sake of probably some extra big pocket money. Sad to say, another corrupt snake that did nothing for the exile Tibetans nor the Tibetans in TAR oh except encourage their deaths! Disgusting, I hope he is proud of his legacy.


Former North America Representative and Former Speaker of TPiE Penpa Tsering and former Minister for Security of CTA, Dongchung Ngodup are also said to be in contention for the top office of the Tibetan polity although such claims could not be independently verified at the moment.

The incumbent President Dr. Lobsang Sangay who is serving his second term will not feature in the next elections meaning the top office of the Tibetan polity will have a new face come 2021.

Source: http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=42089&article=Former+Minister+Gyari+Dolma+announces+running+for+Sikyong+elections+in+2021[/size]


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What a huge slap on LS's face... no more chance to con poor Tibetans in exile. I guess His Holiness has had enough of him. However, we need to watch to see if Penpa will run, it would just a bad and LS if he is going to attack Dorje Shugden Lamas and people. He is another one to be careful. He spoke really badly about Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche our lineage father.
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Here is a link to a letter that the 17th Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje wrote on November 27, 2019.

The letter speaks about his official position about the process of finding the next 15th Dalai Lama.

What I find interesting is that he is publicly speaking out about the future death of the 14th Dalai Lama.

Why is the 17th Karmapa officially discussing this very serious matter at this time?

Could he be hinting that the present Dalai Lama he is very ill and could die soon?

Did the Dalai Lama ask the 17th Karmapa to support his position on the process of finding his next reincarnation and not the Chinese Governement's?

It appears that the 17th Dalai Lama is in full support of the Dalai Lama's position on how to find his next reincarnation.

http://kunkyongtrust.org/2020/01/03/message-of-his-holiness-the-17th-gyalwang-karmapa-for-religious-heads-conference-2019/?fbclid=IwAR0dYHKNZOXqNcRgi0bwVyXIc9LlELFU4V9nqQ_ghU32ny7CrlkLAkxMmoQ

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General Discussion / Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
« Last post by TashiJ on January 20, 2020, 02:00:50 AM »
Is this good news or is it GREAT NEWS for exile Tibetans hu?

Very interesting article here... according to this news, it is confirmed that the dear Sangay will definitely not be in the next election in 2021. Totally no chance to continue creating havoc!?!?! it is as if he is not allowed to run for President ever again. I wonder where this instructions came from... His Holiness the Dalai Lama? Most probably as we all know His Holiness still has the final say.

Well, I'll cheers to that, because honestly LS is such a huge disappointment! In the beginning we thought there is a real genuine thinker, someone who came from Harvard, surely he can be rational and not discriminate his own people and mix religion and politics, but he did you that all for the sake of probably some extra big pocket money. Sad to say, another corrupt snake that did nothing for the exile Tibetans nor the Tibetans in TAR oh except encourage their deaths! Disgusting, I hope he is proud of his legacy.


Former Minister Gyari Dolma announces running for Sikyong elections in 2021

DHARAMSHALA, Jan. 18: Former Home Minister of the exile Tibetan government known officially as the Central Tibetan Administration, Gyari Dolma said she is running for the office of Sikyong (President) in the 2021 elections, becoming the first aspirant to have announced so publicly.

Gyari Dolma was speaking at an event organized by the student body of Kirori Mal College in New Delhi where she was invited as the Chief Guest on Friday. “I can say that I am an aspirant for the elections in 2021. I am not a candidate but I am an aspirant and with everybody’s blessing, I hope I do get the chance to serve my people and especially His Holiness the Dalai Lama closely once again,” Dolma said yesterday.

The former Tibetan minister was also a noted legislator for over a decade during which she was elected the first female deputy speaker of the Tibetan parliament in exile, known then as the Assembly of Tibetan People’s Deputies. In 2010 she ran for the Kalon Tripa preliminary elections but later withdrew from the final elections.

Former North America Representative and Former Speaker of TPiE Penpa Tsering and former Minister for Security of CTA, Dongchung Ngodup are also said to be in contention for the top office of the Tibetan polity although such claims could not be independently verified at the moment.

The incumbent President Dr. Lobsang Sangay who is serving his second term will not feature in the next elections meaning the top office of the Tibetan polity will have a new face come 2021.

Source: http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=42089&article=Former+Minister+Gyari+Dolma+announces+running+for+Sikyong+elections+in+2021
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General Discussion / Re: The Dalai Lama has new female Oracles
« Last post by Harold Musetescu on January 19, 2020, 08:57:37 PM »
What was the Nechung's role in all of this?

What was he doing in those photos with the Mamaki Oracle?

They were both wearing oracular robes at some sort of ceremony at the Nechung Monastery.

Her story is that the Nechung Oracle went to Mongolian to be the Mamaki crown head piece.

That after 25 years absence the Nechung Oracle went to Nepal to get a Mamaki Oracle mirror (melong).

Did the Dalai Lama know what the Nechung Oracle was doing?

Why are there no other articles referencing this recognition of the Mamaki Oracle on the web?

Had this all been legitimate the Dalai Lama would have publicly declared it to be legitimate.

Not a single word about this Mamaki Oracle's recognition from the Dalai Lama, the CTA or any Tibetan newspaper.

Today I sent emails to the Office of the Dalai Lama and CTA's Department of Religion about this Mamaki Oracle's claims.

There is no email address that I could find for the Nechung Oracle.

It is the Nechung Oracle that has a LOT of explaining to do about all of this.

Has he gone ROGUE and thinks he can self declare a person to be an Oracle or a Tulku and that self declaration is valid without the Dalai Lama's concurrence?

It appears that the Nechung Oracle masterminded this entire affair and needs to explain himself to the public, the Dalai Lama and the CTA.

If he doesn't they may all very well stop trusting him as a State Oracle.

I stopped trusting the Nechung Oracle a very long time ago.
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What was the Nechung's role in all of this?

What was he doing in those photos with the Mamaki Oracle?

They were both wearing oracular robes at some sort of ceremony at the Nechung Monastery.

Her story is that the Nechung Oracle went to Mongolian to be the Mamaki crown head piece.

That after 25 years absence the Nechung Oracle went to Nepal to get a Mamaki Oracle mirror (melong).

Did the Dalai Lama know what the Nechung Oracle was doing?

Why are there no other articles referencing this recognition of the Mamaki Oracle on the web?

Had this all been legitimate the Dalai Lama would have publicly declared it to be legitimate.

Not a single word about this Mamaki Oracle's recognition from the Dalai Lama, the CTA or any Tibetan newspaper.

Today I sent emails to the Office of the Dalai Lama and CTA's Department of Religion about this Mamaki Oracle's claims.

There is no email address that I could find for the Nechung Oracle.

It is the Nechung Oracle that has a LOT of explaining to do about all of this.

Has he gone ROGUE and thinks he can self declare a person to be an Oracle or a Tulku and that self declaration is valid without the Dalai Lama's concurrence?

It appears that the Nechung Oracle masterminded this entire affair and needs to explain himself to the public the Dalai Lama and the CTA.

If he doesn't they may all very well stop trusting him as a State Oracle.

I stopped trusting the Nechung Oracle a very long time ago.
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Here is a link to a photo of the Nechung Oracle recognizing the Mamaki Oracle.

You need to scroll down the page a little to find it.

https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=28332&hilit=mamaki&start=20

Here is a link to an MP3 audio tape that the Mamaki Oracle recorded on her website about her being recognized.

http://www.yeyeosun.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Conference-Call-on-Trip-to-India-Updates.edited.mp3

Here is a link to Mamaki Oracle's website that shows her in her full "Oracular" robes.

http://www.yeyeosun.com/photo-gallery/

I have sent emails to the Dalai Lama's office and the CTA asking them to validate the recognition by THEIR
STATE ORACLE.
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General Discussion / Re: The Dalai Lama has new female Oracles
« Last post by Harold Musetescu on January 18, 2020, 08:27:42 PM »
Here is a link to a photo of the Nechung Oracle recognizing the Mamaki Oracle.

You need to scroll down the page a little to find it.

https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=28332&hilit=mamaki&start=20

Here is a link to an MP3 audio tape that the Mamaki Oracle recorded on her website about her being recognized.

http://www.yeyeosun.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Conference-Call-on-Trip-to-India-Updates.edited.mp3

Here is a link to Mamaki Oracle's website that shows her in her full "Oracular" robes.

http://www.yeyeosun.com/photo-gallery/

I have sent emails to the Dalai Lama's office and the CTA asking them to validate the recognition by THEIR
STATE ORACLE.
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General Discussion / Re: The Dalai Lama has new female Oracles
« Last post by Harold Musetescu on January 16, 2020, 11:34:49 PM »
A question about Dorje Yamakyong, Nyenchen Thangla, and Kharak Khyung Tsün.

Do you not think that all three oracles were prescreened by the Dalai Lama's staff before they appeared in public before him.

They were all prescreened to ensure that none of them would say anything pro Dorje Shugden in public.

Just imagine one of them stating in front of the Dalai Lama and the public that Dorje Shugden was not an evil spirit.

That is why they are all fake oracles in the total service to the Dalai Lama who is their EMPLOYER. 
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