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sonamdhargey

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I find the article below interesting as there are some truth to it as I've experience it myself. The study is based on religious generally and not emphasizing on a certain religion. What do you think?

According to a new University of California-Berkeley study, the highly religious are less motivated to show generosity than are non-believers. The findings are being published in the online issue of “Social Psychological and Personality Science.”
The results seem to conflict with a 2008 University of British Columbia study asserting that the faithful are “more helpful, honest and generous.”
The study conducted three experiments, with social scientists finding that compassion “consistently drove less religious people to be more generous. For highly religious people, however, compassion was largely unrelated to how generous they were.” Compassion, as defined in the study, is the emotion felt when people recognize another’s suffering and are thus motivated to help.
“Overall, we find that for less religious people, the strength of their emotional connection to another person is critical to whether they will help that person or not,” said UC Berkeley social psychologist Robb Willer, a co-author of the study. “The more religious, on the other hand, may ground their generosity less in emotion, and more in other factors such as doctrine, a communal identity, or reputational concerns.”
The study’s lead author, Laura Saslow, a post-doctoral student at UC-San Francisco, was inspired to conduct the study after an atheist friend noted that he only donated to Haiti’s earthquake recovery efforts because of a moving video, not out of some logical sense that help was needed.
“I was interested to find that this experience – an atheist being strongly influenced by his emotions to show generosity to strangers – was replicated in three large, systematic studies,” Saslow said.

The first experiment analyzed data from a 2004 national survey of more than 1,300 American adults. What the study’s authors found is that those who agreed with the statement, “When I see someone being taken advantage of, I feel kind of protective towards them,” were more inclined to random acts of kindness. In this experiment, non-believers were more motivated out of compassion to be charitable than believers.
In the second experiment, 101 American adults watched either a brief neutral video or a “heartrending one,” which showed children in poverty. The subjects were then given 10 “lab dollars” and instructed to donate the money to a stranger. What the study’s authors found is that the least religious participants appeared to be motivated by the emotional video.

“The compassion-inducing video had a big effect on their generosity,” Willer said. “But it did not significantly change the generosity of more religious participants.”

In the final experiment, over 200 college students were asked to report how compassionate they felt at that moment, and played “economic trust games.” They were given money and could either chose to share it or not. “In one round, they were told that another person playing the game had given a portion of their money to them, and that they were free to reward them by giving back some of the money, which had since doubled in amount.”

Again, non-believers or those of little faith, and given to momentary compassion, were more inclined to share winnings with strangers than fellow participants.

One can well imagine that when the faithful see the results of this study, they will call it the work of the devil.

Source:http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/182507/highly-religious-not-as-compassionate-as-non-believers-says-study/

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Re: Highly religious not as compassionate as non-believers, says study
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2013, 09:55:27 AM »
personally, I have known this for a fact for a very long time. laypeople who are 'highly religious', or rather, really good in the theological side of things but rarely put any of them on practice. Monks however, are a different story. There are rare cases of 'highly religious' people who are actually more faithful and generous compared to nonbelivers, but these are people who would not be able to describe much things from a theological level. Putting what we know into practice and learning what we know are two different things, and often, people confuse the two, and mistake those who learn a lot as being spiritual.

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Re: Highly religious not as compassionate as non-believers, says study
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2013, 04:40:06 PM »
The more religious, on the other hand, may ground their generosity less in emotion, and more in other factors such as doctrine, a communal identity, or reputational concerns.

It appears that the scientific research are more level headed than the definition of highly religious people. The highly religious has become associated with their own expectations that is their motivation of helping others people is out of worldly concern not for the sake of helping others. The so called non-believers acted out compassion because of the emotions they felt toward others, they empathize the suffering of others.

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Re: Highly religious not as compassionate as non-believers, says study
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2013, 09:37:09 AM »
The more religious, on the other hand, may ground their generosity less in emotion, and more in other factors such as doctrine, a communal identity, or reputational concerns.

It appears that the scientific research are more level headed than the definition of highly religious people. The highly religious has become associated with their own expectations that is their motivation of helping others people is out of worldly concern not for the sake of helping others. The so called non-believers acted out compassion because of the emotions they felt toward others, they empathize the suffering of others.

You dont have to be religious to be kind to others. You just have to be kind to others and have empathy. Standing on the moral high ground while ignoring the needs of others will only bring the name of the religion down as people can see and feel easily what is going on. The main problem here is when 'religious' people fail to apply what they have learnt from their religion or have selective reading in their religios text and only read what they want, and twist it and take them out of context.

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Re: Highly religious not as compassionate as non-believers, says study
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2013, 10:32:11 PM »
Although it is true that we do not need to have a religion for us to be kind and compassionate, but people that are willing to go a step further for those who really need it is because they cannot bare to see others in that position.

Mostly, these people that are able to relate in that way is because they have been through that down time where those who are suffering may have felt, and it triggered that emotion of theirs thinking what happened to them previously. Hence, giving that person a hand, helping them to get out of that situation.

They are willing to help because they have felt that pain and hunger for help, and they are able to relate to. Hence, they help out of empathy, compassion, and a kind act.

It is the value from within that person that is being triggered to do so, instead of being cultivated because of a religion. Although it is possible for them to cultivate that attitude through a religion, but it is less likely as they would have to constantly remind themselves to do it. Hence, I would say that it is easier for those who have suffered to help more easily as compared, and this is not because if they are religious or not.

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Re: Highly religious not as compassionate as non-believers, says study
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2013, 02:40:45 AM »
Although it is true that we do not need to have a religion for us to be kind and compassionate, but people that are willing to go a step further for those who really need it is because they cannot bare to see others in that position.

Mostly, these people that are able to relate in that way is because they have been through that down time where those who are suffering may have felt, and it triggered that emotion of theirs thinking what happened to them previously. Hence, giving that person a hand, helping them to get out of that situation.

They are willing to help because they have felt that pain and hunger for help, and they are able to relate to. Hence, they help out of empathy, compassion, and a kind act.

It is the value from within that person that is being triggered to do so, instead of being cultivated because of a religion. Although it is possible for them to cultivate that attitude through a religion, but it is less likely as they would have to constantly remind themselves to do it. Hence, I would say that it is easier for those who have suffered to help more easily as compared, and this is not because if they are religious or not.

Religion is just a medium for people to systematically cultivate and develop their good qualities according to a preset formula, or for people who want to expand and extend their compassion and other good qualities. However, more often than not, there are people who would misuse religion  to further their own goals and to increase their own negative qualities instead and that is where sometimes religion gets a bad name. I do agree that most people do need to undergo suffering before compassion arises in them because that is how humans work...they learn from experience.

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Re: Highly religious not as compassionate as non-believers, says study
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2013, 11:23:53 PM »
Religion is just a medium for people to systematically cultivate and develop their good qualities according to a preset formula, or for people who want to expand and extend their compassion and other good qualities. However, more often than not, there are people who would misuse religion  to further their own goals and to increase their own negative qualities instead and that is where sometimes religion gets a bad name. I do agree that most people do need to undergo suffering before compassion arises in them because that is how humans work...they learn from experience.

Don't you think if we use religion as a medium just to "force" ourselves to be good is a little like making use of that religion and the practices? It is correct that there are people that are twisting the religions is ways that would make their negative thoughts and qualities sound as though they are acting based on the teachings of the religion. But that would be considered as a cult wouldn't it be?

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Re: Highly religious not as compassionate as non-believers, says study
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2013, 12:46:35 AM »
Don't you think if we use religion as a medium just to "force" ourselves to be good is a little like making use of that religion and the practices? It is correct that there are people that are twisting the religions is ways that would make their negative thoughts and qualities sound as though they are acting based on the teachings of the religion. But that would be considered as a cult wouldn't it be?

As much as it sounds ridiculous, that is what is happening in the real world. In the end, people use religion to put themselves on a moral pedestal and cause them to do inhumane things in the name of religion, like for example the crusades where they say that it is okay to kill others in the name of God and Jesus and Christianity. But on the other hand, it is also a restraint for people that stops them from doing something harmful to others for some people. So there are always many sides to a coin.

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Re: Highly religious not as compassionate as non-believers, says study
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2013, 09:31:33 PM »
Yes I agree with what you have said. I just find it really upsetting that we humans have degenerated so much to be acting in ways like this. Using such holy religions to commit sins that is fully against our religions. Instead we still think that it is correct because of the twisted mentality that we have.

But I still believe that if we meditate on Dorje Shugden and follow his practices, it would help us to be freed from situations like this. Freeing our mind, allowing us to understand and learn the correct views towards Buddhism.