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vajralight

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Shugden practitioners not welcome
« on: May 14, 2019, 09:44:59 AM »
Happy wesak.... :(

https://www.facebook.com/FPMTLDC/posts/2149365925355071

Shugden practitioners may not take part in any of Losang Dragpa Buddhist Societies activities.




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Re: Shugden practitioners not welcome
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2019, 08:42:27 PM »
This is how Tibetan leadership discriminate and create separation for their people which affect the Tibetan Buddhism around the world. I don't see any dharmic reasoning here but just creating suffering, wrong view and broken Samaya with their guru.

Look at this centre where they ban Shugden practitioners to join their event but invited a sex offender to do prayer and teaching on the event. Shugden practitioner has not created any harmful act to anyone but being ban, where else Dagri Rinpoche a sex offender which being custody by the police in India for sexual harassment and he has been doing so since 10 years ago. This is how polluted FPMT and LDC is.

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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2019, 12:32:46 AM »
Another evidence of how Dorje Shugden people are being targeted and discriminated. Checked out this funny VBCM place and guess what I found? A whole lot more of discrimination...

But look at what one funny fake account with the name Nicole Sia said to another and the debate here https://www.facebook.com/ONEvbcm/posts/10156597455989335?comment_id=10156600645849335&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D

A fake face with a fake strawberry trying to deflect from the real issue really needs to wake up. She is 100% a fake but she is pointing at Alison Ong but what she is trying to do is distract people from the main issue and cover up. Can't believe these people are siding with sexual abuser lamas. They really sound so stupid especially when you read the reply back to her, the girl gave it back to Nicole real good.

Tenzin K

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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2019, 11:04:17 AM »
Not that Shugden people need to go to LDC but why should LDC discriminate people different belief? If Buddhism is about compassion where is compassion in this context?

If Shugden people who have not create any trouble to anyone are not allowed to any of LDC spiritual event then why Dagri Rinpoche who is a sex offender invited to give a blessing? He has a record for the past 10 years and why he's still allowed to look for his victim in Malaysia? LDC is like feeding the predator. Scary!

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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2019, 06:49:52 AM »
Tibetan community is a very weird community. They cover up criminals and let those who have committed crimes to get away with it. People like Dagri Rinpoche has harmed so many women but he was allowed to continue to harm more women.

But on the other hand, Dorje Shugden followers have not committed any crimes, high DS lamas have contributed so much to the preservation and spreading of Tibetan Buddhism but no one seems to appreciate that. The Tibetan leadership segregate Dorje Shugden followers and encourage the Tibetans to outcast them.

Tibetans have the reputation of following blindly, only going after their own interest at the expense of others. They don't feel there is a need to work hard because they always get free money from the west. Losing their country didn't make Tibetans more resilience but it made them become lazier.

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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2019, 10:31:37 AM »
Tibetan community is a very weird community. They cover up criminals and let those who have committed crimes to get away with it. People like Dagri Rinpoche has harmed so many women but he was allowed to continue to harm more women.

But on the other hand, Dorje Shugden followers have not committed any crimes, high DS lamas have contributed so much to the preservation and spreading of Tibetan Buddhism but no one seems to appreciate that. The Tibetan leadership segregate Dorje Shugden followers and encourage the Tibetans to outcast them.

Tibetans have the reputation of following blindly, only going after their own interest at the expense of others. They don't feel there is a need to work hard because they always get free money from the west. Losing their country didn't make Tibetans more resilience but it made them become lazier.

It is strange, huh? Why are the cases of sexual molestations being covered up when they are so harmful to the victims? These are done on the basis of violation of the trusts given to the perpetrator and it destroys so much. So shameful how those in the know condone Dagri Rinpoche's actions with silence.

Yet, on the other hand, they are so vocal about a peaceful authentic lineage practice of Dorje Shugden and imposed so many negative conditions on his practitioners, such as physical threats, abuse, segregation, persecution, denial of basic amenities, discrimination, etc. They even break up families over their differences in religious beliefs. Everyone was peaceful until the Tibetan Leaders and extremists started the ban to divert public attention from their failure of promise for their people's return to Tibet.

Really skewered views and such hypocrites!

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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2019, 03:47:04 AM »
What do Malaysians have to do with Tibetan politics? And what rights do this so-called council have to police the Vajrayana Buddhist centres and practitioners in Malaysia? None of them is qualified to teach and have the necessary knowledge about General Buddhism, let alone to be a council to decide and guide the different lineages of Tibetan Buddhists in Malaysia. This group of people are very arrogant and they set up this council to get more resources for their own centres. They are obnoxious in covering up the truth, including sexual misconduct of Buddhist monks such as Shi Zhao Liang and now they openly support the LDC FPMT for insisting on inviting a proven sex abuser Dagri "Rinpoche". See these memes floating on the internet. The VBCM is nothing but a group of greedy and power-hungry individuals who are interested only in protecting their own centres for their personal use. The committee members also do closed-door elections to make sure the same people are on the committee and rotate their roles to ensure all benefits such as monetary gained can be secured for their own use. They should be closed.

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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2019, 12:46:04 AM »
Look at how LDC which affiliate with FPMT discriminate and segregate Buddhist practitioners just because of different preferences of protector practice. Dorje Shugden practitioners didn't harm anyone but being ostracised. But Dagri Rinpoche a sex offender since 10 years ago which has harmed many people are allow to travel and visit all their centers and ordained hundreds of monks and nuns over the last decade. How valid are their vows now, and are they really monks and nuns given that they received their ordination from someone who has been breaking his monk vows all this while?

Which is more crucial here? Think!

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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2019, 05:38:06 PM »
Again it seems that crimes - harassment, molestation and so on is less important than a religious choice!

What are Dorje Shugden practitioners doing wrong?
What is the crime we are punished for?

We practice the religion of our choice!

Please stop harming religious freedom and human rights and use your common sense!

There is nothing wrong with the Dorje Shugden practice and Dorje Shugden is a Buddha!


Tenzin K

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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2019, 10:46:24 AM »
When a spiritual center doesn't even know how to respect religious freedom and human rights, it indicates to us how narrow their mind is. What's wrong with personal preference of protector practice and why need t be discriminate. I don't think Buddha Shakyamuni teaches that. the Buddha emphasizes on compassion. If Shugden is really a wrong practice isn't that they should be more compassionate to help them. Now LDC is following the Buddha teaching or FPMT teaching?

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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2019, 07:47:54 PM »
When a spiritual center doesn't even know how to respect religious freedom and human rights, it indicates to us how narrow their mind is. What's wrong with personal preference of protector practice and why need t be discriminate. I don't think Buddha Shakyamuni teaches that. the Buddha emphasizes on compassion. If Shugden is really a wrong practice isn't that they should be more compassionate to help them. Now LDC is following the Buddha teaching or FPMT teaching?

We will be able to see the training of the people in the centre when we see their actions. No genuine Dharma practitioners will persecute another group of people if they are truly practising. The Dorje Shugden ban separates those who are truly practising the real Dharma and those who are not.

Those who practice the real Dharma will treat Dorje Shugden practitioner differently. Dorje Shugden practitioner is being discriminated and segregated severely in their own community. Buddha's teaching promotes harmony, kindness, tolerance and compassion. How is it possible that the disciples of Buddha will be treating a particular group of people harshly and without tolerance?

Furthermore, those who have knowledge about Dharma will be able to know that the ban is illogical and the Dorje Shugden people are innocent. They will also know that His Holiness the Dalai Lama is performing a divine play to further spread the Buddha's teachings into the world. They will not act so recklessly and mindlessly without examining what kind of instructions that they are following.

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Re: Shugden practitioners not welcome
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2019, 03:37:07 AM »
Happy wesak.... :(

https://www.facebook.com/FPMTLDC/posts/2149365925355071

Shugden practitioners may not take part in any of Losang Dragpa Buddhist Societies activities.


Yes Dorje Shugden practitioners are not welcome to LDC but sexual molesters are welcome, promoted and protected... great Dharma, great Buddhist, great experience!

Now that Dagri is being charged... I wonder what will FPMT and LDC will say to all those who have been molested by Dagri because they thought they were following their Guru's instructions.

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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2019, 04:31:12 AM »
Happy wesak.... :(

https://www.facebook.com/FPMTLDC/posts/2149365925355071

Shugden practitioners may not take part in any of Losang Dragpa Buddhist Societies activities.


Yes Dorje Shugden practitioners are not welcome to LDC but sexual molesters are welcome, promoted and protected... great Dharma, great Buddhist, great experience!

Now that Dagri is being charged... I wonder what will FPMT and LDC will say to all those who have been molested by Dagri because they thought they were following their Guru's instructions.


Now I wonder what FPMT and LDC will say regarding Dagri Rinpoche court case? They are still going to pretend to say Dagri Rinpoche is a Bodhisattva and what he did is compassionate in nature disregarding that his actions actually are disgusting and hardly any traits of compassion in them.

Since the news came out, many people defended Dagri Rinpoche because he is a high monk who works closely with His Holiness the Dalai Lama. He is also trying to use His Holiness the Dalai Lama's name to clear his records and get away from the consequences from his actions. That is why he purposely gave Dalai Lama's Potala Palace's address to the police when they requested for his address.

Too bad that the public had learnt from Sogyal's case and it will not be easy for him to escape the consequences now. Mind you, the revival of Buddhism in that area is smooth because the 16th Karmapa did a good job in maintaining local's people deaf.

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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2019, 03:21:53 PM »
Compassion is for everyone. This is the Buddha's teaching. Why FPMT and LDC acting the opposite of Buddha's teaching and yet they are Buddhist center/organization? If Dorje Shugden is evil and is a spirit, why not the high caliber Lama from FPMT and LDC subdue  Dorje Shugden? By discriminating Dorje Shugden practitioners it doesn't help them but just separating them apart. This is not Buddhist act. Condemning and talk bad about Dorje Shugden practitioners will not help because there is no practical action to help but just negative speech. Where is the Buddhist value from FPMT/LDC?
 

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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2019, 02:53:16 PM »
Compassion is for everyone. This is the Buddha's teaching. Why FPMT and LDC acting the opposite of Buddha's teaching and yet they are Buddhist center/organization? If Dorje Shugden is evil and is a spirit, why not the high caliber Lama from FPMT and LDC subdue  Dorje Shugden? By discriminating Dorje Shugden practitioners it doesn't help them but just separating them apart. This is not Buddhist act. Condemning and talk bad about Dorje Shugden practitioners will not help because there is no practical action to help but just negative speech. Where is the Buddhist value from FPMT/LDC?

Don't you see it? They don't really care about compassion or anything like that. If they did, they would have stopped allowing Dagri to teach and would have investigated the moment Jacki complained. But no one did anything and they even try to make her sound like she was crazy and over-reacting. Terrible! And did you notice that their sudden change in their BODs where they have added women in? This probably the worst cover-up I've ever seen.

People join a spiritual group, centre, or place because they believe in it, the place and especially the people there are trustworthy and can that it is a place where they can find peace, when you have broken that trust, you have literally broken their spirit. And you will also be destroying Buddhism as a whole. This is the saddest part when you here a spiritual organisation have such scandals.

FPMT and its associations/branches should really now shut up about Dorje Shugden, look we may be praying to some spirit according to them, but hey at least we're not harbouring a sexual molester and promoting him! What is more worst?

FPMT should not have abandoned their lineage, teachings and Guru for the sake of looking good and being politically correct for the sake of what? To get more sponsors and money? When we get to the bottom of it, all this game they are playing is to get money to keep FPMT afloat. So then Buddhism for FPMT is another form of business.