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Dalai Lama's chosen Karmapa has a girlfriend?!?!
« on: January 25, 2019, 08:03:57 AM »
HOT NEWS!

Guess what is buzzing all over the news... looks like the Dalai Lama's chosen Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje has a girlfriend and has many girlfriends according to what the news in Taiwan is reporting.

Translation of the Youtube title from a friend: Born amidst "auspicious cloud" descending into the world, showing miraculous signs! Karmapa with millions of devotees involved in a sexual scandal, voice recording exposed: "We experience joy and sorrow of life together" San Li News Station



How come Dharamsala's choice of Karmapa has so many scandals, from money scandals to now sexual/relationship scandals. What does this tell us about the Central Tibetan Administration's credibility?

Looks like everything the exile Tibetan Government does is just turning into a huge sham.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2019, 02:29:25 PM by Vajraprotector »

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Re: Dalai Lama's chosen Karmapa has a girlfriend?!?!
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2019, 06:01:46 PM »
This is very bad news. I hope it's not real. From an outsider point of view, there will be thinking why is it that both Karmapas are now 'disrobed'? Doesn't look good for the Kagyu school and Tibetan Buddhism in general. This is following the Sogyal and Sakyong Mipham Rinpoche's (Shambhala) scandals. What is wrong with the lamas nowadays :o ?

If this is not real, who is behind this news to defame the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley? It seems that controversy is his middle name now, after his Dominican passport issue.

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Re: Dalai Lama's chosen Karmapa has a girlfriend?!?!
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2019, 06:30:24 PM »
HOT NEWS!

Guess what is buzzing all over the news... looks like the Dalai Lama's chosen Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje has a girlfriend and has many girlfriends according to what the news in Taiwan is reporting.

Translation of the Youtube title from a friend: Born amidst "auspicious cloud" descending into the world, showing miraculous signs! Karmapa with millions of devotees involved in a sexual scandal, voice recording exposed: "We experience joy and sorrow of life together" San Li News Station



How come Dharamsala's choice of Karmapa has so many scandals, from money scandals to now sexual/relationship scandals. What does this tell us about the Central Tibetan Administration's credibility?

Looks like everything the exile Tibetan Government does is just turning into a huge sham.


Hmmm, now I know why the Tibetan Leaders had not announced which Karmapa is real and which is fake. Karmapa Ogyen Trinley had always been seen in the company of the Dalai Lama and I would think that he is the one endorsed to be the Karmapa. But it seems he ran away and got himself citizenship of the Dominican Republic. Now we learn that he has a girlfriend and slept with her 3 times in their 5 years relationship????? On top of that, he has numerous girlfriends..... are his teachings valid since he is in monk's robes?

Karmapa Thaye Dorje had been vilified for getting married and having a baby but it turned out that the baby is the reincarnation of Sharmapa. So does that mean he is the real Karmapa? It is all so confusing and the Tibetan Leaders should really come out to announce the real one to avoid people practicing under the wrong one. We don't want to go to hell for wrong practices. Tell us WHO IS THE REAL KARMAPA!!!!!

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Re: Dalai Lama's chosen Karmapa has a girlfriend?!?!
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2019, 03:24:01 AM »
Hello STUPID people.

High Lamas engage in the "Consort Practice" which is the highest level of "Tantric Practice".

All so could you all just grow up with your child like moronic question of "CTA tell us who is the real Karmapa".

The CTA and the Dalai Lama have publicly stated since 1992 that Ogyen Trinley Dorje is the 17th Karmapa.

What part of that answer don't you get. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

You all pretend your Buddhists seeking enlightenment but act more that gossipy old women.

Grow the "F" up.





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Re: Dalai Lama's chosen Karmapa has a girlfriend?!?!
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2019, 07:29:21 AM »
This is shocking! The Karmapa Ogyen Trinley has a girlfriend? Is it for real? He has already had a money scandal and now a relationship scandal? This is getting very complicated.

But why only at this time the girl decided to expose the Karmapa? Not long after the Karmapa ran away and met up with the other Karmapa? The girl claimed their relationship started a few years back why didn't she tell before?

Is this another dirty tactic of the CTA trying to take revenge on the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley for running away from them? I am not surprised if it is something planned by the CTA, they are famous for taking revenge and making people's life miserable if their instructions are not followed.

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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2019, 07:39:37 AM »
There are so many negative news in Tibetan Buddhist community. There are the sex scandals of Sogyal Rinpoche and Rigdzin Namkha Rinpoche, there is the Dorje Shugden ban, the two Karmapas, and Panchen Lamas problems, money scandal and now the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley is involved in a sex scandal also! All these news are not doing anything good to the Tibetan Buddhism.

I have listened to the audio the girl provided, some part of the voice does not sound like the Karmapa's voice. Some people say the conversation is fake, they take the Karmapa's voice from his public talk and put them together to make it into a conversation. This sounds possible.

Why did the girl only expose the Karmapa now but not before? Maybe she has taken money from someone to accuse the Karmapa. It seems like someone is trying to destroy the reputation and credibility of Karmapa. I just hope this is a set-up. Karmapa Ogyen Trinley has many followers, if this is real, many people will lose faith in Dharma.

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Re: Dalai Lama's chosen Karmapa has a girlfriend?!?!
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2019, 11:22:46 AM »
This Karmapa scandal is a huge slap in the face for the Central Tibetan Administration especially since this is their choice of Karmapa. One after another, there is some kind of drama, sob story, some kind of scandal from this Karmapa. And now this sexual scandal and the media in Taiwan is making it bigger and bigger. They are not letting it go so easily and hyping it up big time.

They are not taking it lightly for sure, tantric or not, sorry, not many people are not going to buy that especially if they do not know dharma or does not follow Tibetan Buddhism. This will drag the credibility of the Dalai Lama and CTA down further.

They should not have butt in and mess up the age-old tradition of recognising the Karmapas by the Karma Kagyu's Sharmapa. They had no history nor authority to do so. Now their karma comes back and their grave hole is being dug deeper and bigger.

Not only is their chosen Karmapa not only performing well as the head, complaining he is depressed and does not like politics and doesn't even want to be associated with the CTA, citing abuse from them...
The ramifications of Karmapa’s shocking special message
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-ramifications-of-karmapas-shocking-special-message/comment-page-1/
and now this sexual scandal which is really really bad news for them. Bad for Buddhism as a whole too because many will now have doubts in the dharma, especially the Vajrayana tradition.
 
Wonder what the pro-Dalai Lama people are going to shout about now? I would like to see if they will start blaming Taiwan as being paid by China and that the whole country are paid Chinese spies! Lol
That would be hilarious especially when get desperate and run out of ideas to lay the blame and cover their backs.

For those who do not realise how big this news is becoming in Taiwan check out the reports below and this is not even the latest to date and all the medias...

News
1. https://www.mirrormedia.mg/story/20190122soc007/

2. https://www.mirrormedia.mg/story/20190122soc011/

3. https://www.upmedia.mg/news_info.php?SerialNo=56471

4. https://www.upmedia.mg/news_info.php?SerialNo=56464

5. https://tw.news.yahoo.com/ ??-? ?-?  ?yes-001120432.html

6. https://tw.news.yahoo.com/ ??-?  ?-??99-9-???-001134752.html

7. https://www.ettoday.net/news/20190123/1363340.htm

8. https://www.mirrormedia.mg/story/20190122soc005/?utm_source=feed_related&utm_medium=yahoo

9. http://www.chinapress.com.my/20190123/ ??3???-?   ??/

10. http://www.kwongwah.com.my/?p=631846

11. http://www.enanyang.my/news/20190123/   ?-?  /

12. https://www.ettoday.net/news/20190123/1363293.htm

13. https://tw.appledaily.com/new/realtime/20190123/1505599/

14. http://news.ltn.com.tw/news/society/breakingnews/2682155

15. https://www.setn.com/News.aspx?NewsID=489466

16. http://news.dwnews.com/china/news/2019-01-23/60114192.html

17. https://news.ebc.net.tw/News/society/149565

18. http://news.seehua.com/?p=423214


YouTube
19. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=800v0ixdKZo

20. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jratcdnfZPE


Forum
21. https://www.mitbbs.com/mwap/forum/article.php?board=Military&groupid=52511975&content_type=all


Weibo
22. https://www.weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309404331613696726739

23. https://www.weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309404332346261272174

24. https://www.weibo.com/1214199295/HdyW3kMRQ?refer_flag=1001030103_&type=comment#_rnd1548401940766

25. https://www.weibo.com/1748699671/HdyLWxtlS?refer_flag=1001030103_&type=comment



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Re: Dalai Lama's chosen Karmapa has a girlfriend?!?!
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2019, 12:14:44 PM »
Hello STUPID people.

High Lamas engage in the "Consort Practice" which is the highest level of "Tantric Practice".

All so could you all just grow up with your child like moronic question of "CTA tell us who is the real Karmapa".

The CTA and the Dalai Lama have publicly stated since 1992 that Ogyen Trinley Dorje is the 17th Karmapa.

What part of that answer don't you get. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

You all pretend your Buddhists seeking enlightenment but act more that gossipy old women.

Grow the "F" up.

Bloody lame excuse.

1. Karmapas are supposed to be enlightened beings who reincarnate to benefit all sentient beings. WTF do they need to engage in HYT?

2. HYT practitioners, assuming they practice the father-mother practices, need both to be qualified practitioners. Nothing in the scandalous testimonial suggests that the girl or girls are even practitioners, not to mention HYT practitioners. They are just young girls.

Maybe you say all these things not that you're ignorant of it but you embrace all this F-ing around.

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Re: Dalai Lama's chosen Karmapa has a girlfriend?!?!
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2019, 06:33:00 PM »
Very disturbing news, for parents to have their teenage daughters learning Tibetan Buddhism especially from lamas supported by the CTA and Dalai Lama.

With all the sex scandals going around, what parent will feel safe leaving their daughters and sons in such organizations. It is apparent many of the lamas linked to the CTA, are perpetrators of sexual abuse all over the world. Very disturbing to read about this. If CTA wants to keep a shred of their credibility and hold over Tibetan Buddhists, they better act fast to clean up all these scandals. 


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Re: Dalai Lama's chosen Karmapa has a girlfriend?!?!
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2019, 02:50:59 AM »
Hello STUPID people.

High Lamas engage in the "Consort Practice" which is the highest level of "Tantric Practice".

All so could you all just grow up with your child like moronic question of "CTA tell us who is the real Karmapa".

The CTA and the Dalai Lama have publicly stated since 1992 that Ogyen Trinley Dorje is the 17th Karmapa.

What part of that answer don't you get. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

You all pretend your Buddhists seeking enlightenment but act more that gossipy old women.

Grow the "F" up.

Bloody lame excuse.


1. Karmapas are supposed to be enlightened beings who reincarnate to benefit all sentient beings. WTF do they need to engage in HYT?

2. HYT practitioners, assuming they practice the father-mother practices, need both to be qualified practitioners. Nothing in the scandalous testimonial suggests that the girl or girls are even practitioners, not to mention HYT practitioners. They are just young girls.

Maybe you say all these things not that you're ignorant of it but you embrace all this F-ing around.

Here is a link to the 17th Karmapa Thaye Dorje website.

It discusses how the 15th Karmapa had 3 children.

https://www.karmapa.org/karma-kagyu/lives/15th-karmapa-khakyab-dor

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He went on to teach and give empowerments throughout Tibet, and preserved many rare texts by having them reprinted. Unlike the previous Karmapas, Khakyab Dorje married, and fathered three sons, two of whom he recognised as the second Jamgon Kongtrul and the twelfth Shamarpa, Jamyang Rinpoche.
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Seem the 15th Karmapa had no problems with a consort practice but it appears you do "Ringo Starr"

Your name sake "Ringo Starr" had many and numerous consorts in his practice as a Beatle.
 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

So Mr Starr tell all of us your high tantric background so as to be able to judge the Karmapa.
 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

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Re: Dalai Lama's chosen Karmapa has a girlfriend?!?!
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2019, 05:25:15 AM »
Hello STUPID people.

High Lamas engage in the "Consort Practice" which is the highest level of "Tantric Practice".

All so could you all just grow up with your child like moronic question of "CTA tell us who is the real Karmapa".

The CTA and the Dalai Lama have publicly stated since 1992 that Ogyen Trinley Dorje is the 17th Karmapa.

What part of that answer don't you get. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

You all pretend your Buddhists seeking enlightenment but act more that gossipy old women.

Grow the "F" up.

Bloody lame excuse.

1. Karmapas are supposed to be enlightened beings who reincarnate to benefit all sentient beings. WTF do they need to engage in HYT?

2. HYT practitioners, assuming they practice the father-mother practices, need both to be qualified practitioners. Nothing in the scandalous testimonial suggests that the girl or girls are even practitioners, not to mention HYT practitioners. They are just young girls.

Maybe you say all these things not that you're ignorant of it but you embrace all this F-ing around.

What you said is true. Even if they did engage in HYT won't the Dakinis come??  8) Anyway, the actions always have positive results if they are good, right? Like the Karmapa Thaye Dorje, the baby resulted from his marriage is Sharmapa. As mentioned by Harold himself, the 15th Karmapa had sons who were reincarnations.

In the case of Karmapa Ogyen Trinley, it seemed different. The woman exposed the relationship and alleged he had many other girlfriends too. So what is the positive aspect of these relationships? This being the Karmapa chosen by the Dalai Lama and Tibetan Leaders, then we have a right to query if the choice was still correct or should another be the real one? After all, CTA says we will go to hell for wrong practices.

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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2019, 05:45:38 AM »


Bloody lame excuse.

1. Karmapas are supposed to be enlightened beings who reincarnate to benefit all sentient beings. WTF do they need to engage in HYT?

2. HYT practitioners, assuming they practice the father-mother practices, need both to be qualified practitioners. Nothing in the scandalous testimonial suggests that the girl or girls are even practitioners, not to mention HYT practitioners. They are just young girls.

Maybe you say all these things not that you're ignorant of it but you embrace all this F-ing around.

Agree with you Ringo. In the Taiwanese scene, it's common understanding, in fact, it is so ingrained that it's hard to get it out anymore, that many Tibetan lamas engage in sexual misconduct with the excuse of consort practice, that includes not-so-high lama like the Nechung Oracle.

Also, how many consorts do the Karmapa need for his consort practice? New way of converting disciples by taming them with sex for that many girls? I don't think so.  8) I'm definitely a skeptic for this case. I do hope it's not real.

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Re: Dalai Lama's chosen Karmapa has a girlfriend?!?!
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2019, 07:33:37 AM »
Hello STUPID people.

High Lamas engage in the "Consort Practice" which is the highest level of "Tantric Practice".

All so could you all just grow up with your child like moronic question of "CTA tell us who is the real Karmapa".

The CTA and the Dalai Lama have publicly stated since 1992 that Ogyen Trinley Dorje is the 17th Karmapa.

What part of that answer don't you get. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

You all pretend your Buddhists seeking enlightenment but act more that gossipy old women.

Grow the "F" up.

Bloody lame excuse.


1. Karmapas are supposed to be enlightened beings who reincarnate to benefit all sentient beings. WTF do they need to engage in HYT?

2. HYT practitioners, assuming they practice the father-mother practices, need both to be qualified practitioners. Nothing in the scandalous testimonial suggests that the girl or girls are even practitioners, not to mention HYT practitioners. They are just young girls.

Maybe you say all these things not that you're ignorant of it but you embrace all this F-ing around.

Here is a link to the 17th Karmapa Thaye Dorje website.

It discusses how the 15th Karmapa had 3 children.

https://www.karmapa.org/karma-kagyu/lives/15th-karmapa-khakyab-dor

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He went on to teach and give empowerments throughout Tibet, and preserved many rare texts by having them reprinted. Unlike the previous Karmapas, Khakyab Dorje married, and fathered three sons, two of whom he recognised as the second Jamgon Kongtrul and the twelfth Shamarpa, Jamyang Rinpoche.
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Seem the 15th Karmapa had no problems with a consort practice but it appears you do "Ringo Starr"

Your name sake "Ringo Starr" had many and numerous consorts in his practice as a Beatle.
 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

So Mr Starr tell all of us your high tantric background so as to be able to judge the Karmapa.
 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

You are right that the 15th Karmapa married and had kids, and two of whom were recognized as Tulkus. I think Karmapa Thaye Dorje has done the same and his son I could be the reincarnation of the Sharmapa. However, philanderers they were not as they got married to the partners.

You are also right that I am not able to judge the Karmapa but here are the facts from a respected authority, Dr Alex Berzin:

"In the final stages of the path of the highest class of tantra, the advanced yoga methods for drawing the energy-winds into the central channel do entail a man and woman sitting in a posture of union. Far from being exploitative, however, both partners are required to have reached the same advanced level of spiritual development. This includes both having reached the level of control of their subtle energies and their minds so that even though the bottom tips of their central channels touch, both avoid orgasmic release.

Sitting in such a yogic posture while engaging in complex visualizations and meditating on voidness is only done to enhance the practice on the most advanced levels. It is not done as the main practice or engaged in regularly, and is certainly not a practice for earlier stages of the path.

Moreover, to avoid any possibility of misogyny, machismo, or male chauvinism, one of the tantric vows is to refrain from ever speaking badly or mistreating women."

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Re: Dalai Lama's chosen Karmapa has a girlfriend?!?!
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2019, 06:38:49 PM »
This is certainly shocking news because, for a high lama like him, these kind of scandals are a big no-no. This girl from Taiwan told the media that she was a girlfriend of the Karmapa and they even had an intimate relationship for 3 times. It is a breach of monk vows from the Karmapa to engage in such activities.

However, the Tibetan leadership and the Karmapa has not released any official statement regarding this huge news that is very detrimental to their image. It is not normal for them to do nothing which made the whole issue even more suspicious.

The Tibetan leadership needs to let the public know what is going on and how they are going to solve this problem. The Karmapa has a lot of students and followers and this is not good for them if the news is being dragged. Tibetan leadership needs to let the public know if the Karma they have chosen is still a qualified lama to take teachings from.

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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2019, 09:30:45 PM »
This is certainly shocking news because, for a high lama like him, these kind of scandals are a big no-no. This girl from Taiwan told the media that she was a girlfriend of the Karmapa and they even had an intimate relationship for 3 times. It is a breach of monk vows from the Karmapa to engage in such activities.

However, the Tibetan leadership and the Karmapa has not released any official statement regarding this huge news that is very detrimental to their image. It is not normal for them to do nothing which made the whole issue even more suspicious.

The Tibetan leadership needs to let the public know what is going on and how they are going to solve this problem. The Karmapa has a lot of students and followers and this is not good for them if the news is being dragged. Tibetan leadership needs to let the public know if the Karma they have chosen is still a qualified lama to take teachings from.

After the sex scandal was reported by the Taiwanese media the first time, there is no more follow up news regarding the scandal. According to the media, there might be more victims but until now, no one steps forward to tell their story. This makes the news suspicious, did Ms. H girl accuse the Karmapa or this really happened?

If she really is sexually abused, why didn't she report to the police? If she is keeping the audio recording so that she can expose the Karmapa why didn't she keep the video recording? If they really had  5 years relationship, they must have communicated using the video before. Ms. H also mentioned that she was in contact with Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche, how true is that?

This Ms. H is very suspicious, what she has provided as the evidence is not strong enough. Their phone recording sounds fake. If they had been together for 5 years, there should be more audio recording and photos of them together. Did the CTA pay the girl to set the Karmapa up? The Tibetan Buddhist community is getting so complicated with all the scandals and negative news. The CTA should do something about it to protect Tibetan Buddhism.