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I hope China will accept dialogue with Tibetans: Lobsang Sangay

February 28, 2018
Dharamsala, February 28 (IANS) His salary is “less than that of an Indian postman”, but it is his task to communicate his community’s desire for liberty across the globe. And Lobsang Sangay, the 49-year-old Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) President, has a packed agenda, including convincing Beijing to have dialogue with the Tibetans on their rights.
 
“The current year is a year to engage, educate and empower ourselves and the movement,” the political successor to the Dalai Lama, the Nobel laureate and global face of the Tibetan movement, told IANS in an interview here. It is also significant as March 31 will mark the beginning of the 60th year of the Dalai Lama stepping on Indian soil.

Though he has returned to his second home where he was born and brought up after spending 15 years at Harvard University, the financial constraints don’t really matter.

“I am getting a salary less than an Indian postman,” Sangay told IANS.

“I am here to lead a movement that campaigns globally for rights of my brothers and sisters, both in exile and Tibet,” said the democratically-elected CTA President — a position often referred to as Prime Minister of the Tibetan government-in-exile

Sixty years ago, some 80,000 Tibetans, along with their spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, left Lhasa after a failed uprising against Communist rule over Tibet and fled to India. The Tibetan exile administration, called the CTA, is based in this northern Indian hill town, where the spiritual leader also lives.

Sangay, who normally dons a achuba — a loose cloak worn by both Tibetan men and women — believes education is the most potent and realistic investment and a tool.

He took the oath of office for his second consecutive term in May 2016. China, however, doesn’t recognise his government-in-exile and hasn’t held any talks with the Dalai Lama’s envoys since January 2010 to resolve the Tibetan issue.

“In the past six-and-a-half years, I have been to almost all the Tibetan settlements across India, North America and Europe. Our basic purpose is to educate our younger generation — the more skilfully we educate them, the more successfully we will develop strong foundations for the future,” Sangay said.

With the Dalai Lama stepping down from diplomacy and active politics, the elected leader of Tibetan people, also known as Sikyong, has acquired added stature.

Sangay normally attends office daily from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. After finishing his work, he informally interacts with the local Tibetan communities from his two-bedroom apartment here. His cabinet meets twice a week — every Tuesday and Friday, even in his absence.

Born in 1968 in India, Sangay pursues the Dalai Lama’s advocacy of genuine autonomy for the people of Tibet.

“We do believe in the middle-way approach that international leaders and even many Chinese intellectuals support,” he said. “As long as human rights violations continue, there will be resistance from our people in Tibet.”

“I hope China will accept dialogue as the only way to resolve the issue peacefully”.

The Tibetan administration is launching a round-the-year campaign in India on March 17 from Arunachal Pradesh to reach out to the Indian community through “Thank You India” events.

The spiritual leader entered India on March 31, 1959, through Arunachal Pradesh, along with his followers.

“It also marks 60 years of Tibet under China which is a sad and tragic chapter of Tibet’s history. However, the last 60 years of the Tibetan community in exile has also been a story of success,” Sangay said.

He jokingly referred the Tibetan movement as “the first and original product of India’s ‘Make in India’ initiative”.

Expressing gratitude, he said: “His Holiness the Dalai Lama calls himself as a ‘son of India’ because he has survived on the nutritious Indian dal-roti and also because his mind is filled with the rich knowledge of ancient India.”

Around 140,000 Tibetans now live in exile, over 100,000 of them in different parts of India. Over six million Tibetans live in Tibet.



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Re: I hope China will accept dialogue with Tibetans: Lobsang Sangay
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2018, 12:23:50 PM »
Did we get it all wrong?!!

No word about half of the Tibetan population being refused medical healthcare, being refused to shops and restaurants by the CTA, the Central Tibetan Administration!

No word about how they treat Dorje Shugden practitioners!

So where are the requests for dialogue with China according to the Middle Way?

China does a lot for the 6 million Tibetans in China by improving the situation in Tibet and lowering the poverty. What does Lobsang Sangay do for them?

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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2018, 09:44:36 AM »
Seriously, how much more do Lobsang Sangay or CTA want to embarrass themselves with these misleading bordering fake statements when more and more people are clued on their disappointing and unscrupulous actions?

Firstly, their statement riddled with half-truths and conveniently omitting CTA’s discrimination of Dorje Shugden practitioners. Then, despite such statements, not only do CTA fail to properly engage China for discussions but at every turn, CTA take very questionable actions to self-sabotage any chance of  good faith dialogues.

No wonder more and more Tibetans are speaking out against CTA and even threatening to self-emulate to protest against CTA.  http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/monk-threatens-tibetan-leadership-with-self-immolation/

With the dwindling support even from the host country India (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/indias-confidential-memo-on-the-tibetans-leaked/ ), time is really running out for CTA.

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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2018, 03:36:52 PM »
The Chinese Government will not accept any dialogue with the CTA until they and the Dalai Lama revoke the ban on Dorje Shugden.

China has a public policy that prohibits any form of discrimination against the followers of Dorje Shugden.

They will not accept dialogue until the ban is lifted.

This of course will totally embarrass the Dalai Lama and the CTA.

In reversing their ban they would have to admit they were wrong and treated the followers of Dorje Shugden in an illegal manner.

Don't hold you breath for any changes.

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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2019, 08:36:58 AM »
Did we get it all wrong?!!

No word about half of the Tibetan population being refused medical healthcare, being refused to shops and restaurants by the CTA, the Central Tibetan Administration!

No word about how they treat Dorje Shugden practitioners!

So where are the requests for dialogue with China according to the Middle Way?

China does a lot for the 6 million Tibetans in China by improving the situation in Tibet and lowering the poverty. What does Lobsang Sangay do for them?

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2019, 08:45:45 AM »
Did we get it all wrong?!!

No word about half of the Tibetan population being refused medical healthcare, being refused to shops and restaurants by the CTA, the Central Tibetan Administration!

No word about how they treat Dorje Shugden practitioners!

So where are the requests for dialogue with China according to the Middle Way?

China does a lot for the 6 million Tibetans in China by improving the situation in Tibet and lowering the poverty. What does Lobsang Sangay do for them?
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If Lobsang Sangay has been working hard to try to establish a dialogue with China but until today there is no results, it means Lobsang Sangay is not effective at all as a leader. He talks big with big words but the result is  so minimal. He makes himself looks busy but he is not doing any work.

He always creates conflicts between different group of people in the Tibetan community. He knows there are many problems but he refuses to solve them. For examples, the 2 Karmapas issue, the Dorje Shugden ban and his conflict with Penpa Tsering.

It is a shame that a Harvard graduate like Lobsang Sangay cannot inspire Tibetans or lead Tibetans to a better future. He is also involved in many scandals, the financial scandal and the sex scandals. He was accused of sexually assaulting an intern.

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Re: I hope China will accept dialogue with Tibetans: Lobsang Sangay
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2019, 02:55:18 PM »
Lobsang Sangay keeps irking China and at the same time expects China to give autonomy to Tibet? He sure is delusional, ignorant and arrogant. This is the kind of mindset that made Tibetan lose its country in the first place and the same kind of mindset that will not get them anywhere nearer to home. Sad case. It's like watching the dog chasing after its own tail. Poor doggy, when will he stop and snap out of it?

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Tibetans fume at Chinese move to interfere in Dalai Lama reincarnation process

As the fourteenth Dalai Lama, the spiritual leader of Tibet, turned 84 last month, China has started pushing its agenda by claiming rights in the selection process of the next Dalai Lama.

The recent controversy involving Tibet and China is related to the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama. According to the Buddhist tradition in Tibet, scholar-adepts are recognised, which are considered to be of immense help to both Dharma and sentient beings and in particular to the monastic community. Perhaps, the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama is being explored in light of the tradition.

The Central Tibet Administration, the Tibetan government-in-exile, expects India should follow the US and tell China not to interfere in the reincarnation process. “India should urge China not to interfere in this Tibetan religious and cultural matter. Like the US Congress, it should also make it clear that China-appointed Dalai Lama will not be accepted by the International Community,” Tsewang Gyalpo Arya, Secretary, Department of Information and International Relations of Central Tibet Administration, said.

In April 2019, US Senator Cory Gardner said at a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Asia Subcommittee that the Congress would not recognise a Dalai Lama chosen by the Chinese government.

In an email response to this correspondent, TG Arya, said, “It [Chinese attempt to reincarnate the 15th Dalai Lama] is a gross interference in Tibetan Buddhist spiritual affairs.”

He also blamed Chinese communist party leadership for dismantling Tibetan monasteries and repression of religion on behest of China continues in Tibet. “They [Chinese] don’t believe in religion and reincarnation, so their move to interfere in reincarnation matter is to destroy the foundation of Tibetan spiritualism to serve their political agenda. Tibetans and the International [community] will not tolerate this.”

When asked if it is an attempt by China to dismantle Tibet’s strive for autonomy, Arya responded, “Yes, it is. They want to dismantle every aspect of Tibetan political, religious and cultural identity and Sinicise the region.”

The Dalai Lama and CTA have also hinted at the possibility of the spiritual leader’s incarnation being found in India, the country where he has spent around 60 years in exile. In the meantime, both these Tibetan authorities have strictly warned that “any other successor named by China would not be respected.”

The 14th Dalai Lama clearly rejects the role of China in the reincarnation process. But the People’s Republic of China presses its claim over the issue. At a media briefing in March 2019, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang said the 14th Dalai Lama himself was chosen by ancient religious rituals, therefore, “..reincarnations including that of the Dalai Lama, should observe the country’s laws and regulations,” reported Hindu Business Line.

Tibet, an international issue

Tibet’s history and its relations with China have been variedly interpreted. While China claims Tibet to be a part of it since the Yuan Dynasty, pieces of evidence suggest that China’s propagation is a 20th-century construction. At times, Tibet has also become a bone of contention between India and China. China maintains that Tibet is an internal issue of China and not a bilateral one. Whereas, the fact of the matter is, Tibet is an issue which plays a crucial role in China’s relation with countries such as India, Bhutan, and Nepal.

Things turned ugly when Tibetans sensed a trap by the Chinese government to capture the 14th Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso. He was asked by a Chinese general to come to Chinese military headquarters without his security men if he wished to watch a performance by a Chinese dance troupe, wrote Dalai Lama in his official biography. Tibetans surrounded their spiritual leader to escape his speculated abduction and on March 17, 1959, Tibet’s spiritual leader, then 23, had to flee to India to save his life. Back home, thousands of protesters were brutally killed by Chinese forces. Since then the 14th Dalai Lama has been in exile.

Tradition of reincarnation

The 14th Dalai Lama in his biography mentions that “Reincarnation is a phenomenon which should take place either through the voluntary choice of the concerned person or at least on the strength of his or her karma, merit and prayers. Therefore, the person who reincarnates has sole legitimate authority over where and how he or she takes rebirth and how that reincarnation is to be recognised.” But, the 14th Dalai Lama throws the issue of reincarnation back to followers of Tibetan Buddhism, he writes, “When I am about ninety, I will consult the high Lamas of the Tibetan Buddhist traditions, the Tibetan public, and other concerned people who follow Tibetan Buddhism, and re-evaluate whether the institution of the Dalai Lama should continue or not. On that basis, we will take a decision. If it is decided that the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama should continue and there is a need for the Fifteenth Dalai Lama to be recognised, responsibility for doing so will primarily rest on the concerned officers of the Dalai Lama’s Gaden Phodrang Trust.”

On the procedures of who and how should the reincarnation process follow, the spiritual leader in his biography writes, “I shall leave clear written instructions about this [reincarnation]. Bear in mind that, apart from the reincarnation recognised through such legitimate methods, no recognition or acceptance should be given to a candidate chosen for political ends by anyone, including those in the People’s Republic of China.”

The spiritual leader, earlier this year, in an interview to Reuters, anticipated China’s interference in foisting his successor. “In future, in case you see two Dalai Lamas, one from here [India], a free country, [and] one chosen by Chinese, then nobody will trust, nobody will respect [the one chosen by China]. So that’s an additional problem for the Chinese! It’s possible, it can happen,” the 14th Dalai Lama was quoted as saying by Reuters.

Reiteration of claims

On August 7, President of the Tibetan government-in-exile Lobsang Sangay outrightly rejected the Chinese attempts to induct successor of the 14th Dalai Lama. Sangay took China head-on saying, “Look at the track record of the Chinese government, which has always vilified the present Dalai Lama.” He further asked, “Who will accept Chinese claims? How many Tibetans would follow a Chinese Dalai Lama?”

Sangay invoked the case of 11th Panchen Lama Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, saying, “If China plans to have two Dalai Lamas then he will be treated by Tibetans in the same way they treated Panchen Lama.”
Panchen Lama is considered to be a second-highest spiritual authority in Tibetan Buddhism after the Dalai Lama. On April 25, 1995, Gedhun C Nyima turned six and he was allegedly abducted by the Chinese government. Six months later to Gedhun’s abduction, China announced that it had found the ‘real’ reincarnation of Panchen Lama. A Tibetan boy Gyaltsen Norbu was declared as the 11th Panchen Lama. Norbu is a member of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), a top advisory body to China’s government. However, most of the Tibetans do not consider him to be the Panchen Lama and refer to him as ‘Panchen Zuma’ or ‘fake Panchen’.

Source: https://tibet.net/2019/08/tibetans-fume-at-chinese-move-to-interfere-in-dalai-lama-reincarnation-process/

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Re: I hope China will accept dialogue with Tibetans: Lobsang Sangay
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2019, 05:38:48 AM »
Before Lobsang Sangay request for dialogue with China, has he done all the necessary?

Has he controlled the Tibetan not to irk the Chinese? If not, with what reason he asks China to have a dialogue? Who wants to talk to someone that keeps bad mouthing them? irk them, put them down, criticize them?

What strategy has Lobsang Sangay implemented to secure them in a good book of China to give better consideration for requesting the dialogue?

I hope Lobsang Sangay can really think ahead for what needed to be done to win the situation and not jeopardize the chance especially at this juncture where Tibetan is not in favor for any other countries and no one really would give a hand to help because they don't want to risk their relationship with the Chinese. Obviously they willing to drop Dalai Lama instead of China because China can help them in their economic growth.

There is no point for Lobsang Sangay to keep shouting for having dialogue if he still being arrogant and thinking Tibetan is not supposed to be under Tibet. Face the fact that Tibet is under China now and Dalai Lama and many Tibetans want to return and Lobsang Sangay needs to put the effort to get it done.

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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2019, 08:09:02 AM »
Before Lobsang Sangay request for dialogue with China, has he done all the necessary?

Has he controlled the Tibetan not to irk the Chinese? If not, with what reason he asks China to have a dialogue? Who wants to talk to someone that keeps bad mouthing them? irk them, put them down, criticize them?

What strategy has Lobsang Sangay implemented to secure them in a good book of China to give better consideration for requesting the dialogue?

I hope Lobsang Sangay can really think ahead for what needed to be done to win the situation and not jeopardize the chance especially at this juncture where Tibetan is not in favor for any other countries and no one really would give a hand to help because they don't want to risk their relationship with the Chinese. Obviously they willing to drop Dalai Lama instead of China because China can help them in their economic growth.

There is no point for Lobsang Sangay to keep shouting for having dialogue if he still being arrogant and thinking Tibetan is not supposed to be under Tibet. Face the fact that Tibet is under China now and Dalai Lama and many Tibetans want to return and Lobsang Sangay needs to put the effort to get it done.

Lobsang Sangay and CTA has not intention to have a peaceful dialogue with China. It has been 60 years, none of the strategy used by the CTA in order to free Tibet is working, don't the CTA think it is time to give in and have a discussion with China?

It is impossible for China to give independence to Tibet, this is for sure. Compared to when Tibet was ruled by the Tibetans, China provides better prospect to the Tibetans. Tibetans in Tibet live very comfortably and they are given many opportunities in life.

Unlike in India, Tibetans are stateless and they are not allowed to leave India whenever they like. They don't have the same opportunities as the Tibetans in Tibet. Even though they might be ambitious but they have no avenue to realise their dreams because CTA is not keen in grooming talents.

As long as the CTA is still leading the Tibetans in exile, nothing good will happen to the Tibetans.

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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2019, 08:51:19 AM »
Well, this news will surely push China to tighten its grip with Tibetans and further drive them away from speaking to CTA!

China has voiced out her unhappiness in the US interfering with their internal affairs as it undermines their claim in the future Dalai Lama.

China firmly opposed the move as it severely violates the basic norms governing international relations, grossly interferes in China's internal affairs and sends a seriously wrong signal to the separatist forces of "Tibetan Independence".

China is obviously not going to go along with any of it. And even if the bill passes, it is most likely not going to be heeded by China. This only make matters worst in gaining real autonomy for Tibetans. USA has to stop thinking they are in charge.

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China urges US to stop pushing bill on Tibet that "undermines" China’s Dalai Lama claim

DHARAMSHALA, Sept. 20: Days after the revised version of the Tibet Policy Act 2002 was introduced in the US House of Representatives, China on Thursday urged the United States to stop pushing the legislation on Tibet that rejects Beijing’s claim of authority over the reincarnation of the Tibetan leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

Chinese spokesperson Geng Shuang yesterday remarked that China firmly opposed the move as it severely violates the basic norms governing international relations, grossly interferes in China's internal affairs and sends a seriously wrong signal to the separatist forces of "Tibetan Independence".

Geng added that the Tibetan affairs are purely China's internal affairs and urged the United States to fully recognize the sensitivity of Tibet-related issues and to stop using Tibet-related issues to interfere in China's internal affairs.

The move, however, is welcomed by Tibetans who see the amendments of the 2002 legislation as timely and counter to China’s claim over the Dalai Lama’s reincarnation, aimed to secure legitimacy over Tibet and Tibetans in the years to come.

The aggressive lobbying by the exile Tibetan government to push the bill at Capitol hill last week has been received with positive response from politicians in Washington such as Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Lindsey Graham, among others.

Exactly a week ago, the bill was sponsored by Representative Jim McGovern (D-MA) who chairs the Congressional-Executive Commission on China (CECC), an independent agency of the U.S. government which monitors human rights and rule of law developments in China. The bill has been referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs, and to the Committee on the Judiciary for revision and debate on a later date.

The Senate will also see the introduction of the same amendments of the Tibet Policy Act soon by Senator Marco Rubio, according to sources. To add momentum on the matter, David Stilwell, the assistant secretary of the Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs, testified at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Tibet earlier this week.

Stilwell said, “Disturbingly – and ironically – the party continues to assert its role in the Dalai Lama’s reincarnation process, even as President Xi has urged party members to remain ‘unyielding Marxist atheists.’ We believe that Tibetans, like all faith communities, must be able to practice their faith freely and select their leaders without interference. We will continue to assert this belief, and we remain committed to supporting meaningful autonomy for Tibetans.”

Source: http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=41782&article=China+urges+US+to+stop+pushing+bill+on+Tibet+that+%22undermines%22+China%e2%80%99s+Dalai+Lama+claim

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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2019, 05:27:11 AM »
Frankly speaking, China doesn't need to entertain Lobsang Sangay for the dialogue. China has done what it needs for Tibetans in Tibet and continues to improve its situation. Why don't Sangay do something for the Tibetan in India? Sangay is asking for a middle way but he didn't give it to Shugden practitioners. Why so? Why so hypocrite? Karma coming back now.

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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2019, 08:02:30 AM »
Frankly speaking, China doesn't need to entertain Lobsang Sangay for the dialogue. China has done what it needs for Tibetans in Tibet and continues to improve its situation. Why don't Sangay do something for the Tibetan in India? Sangay is asking for a middle way but he didn't give it to Shugden practitioners. Why so? Why so hypocrite? Karma coming back now.

I agree with you. China does not need the CTA or the Dalai Lama, just like how they don't need CTA's Panchen Lama. I am sure China will recognise their own Dalai Lama with the endorsement from the 11th Panchen Lama. The Dalai Lama recognised by the Chinese will be legitimate because it will be selected and recognised using the rules laid out by the Qing court.

The fact is the CTA does not have anything to give to China. If China agrees to talk to them and give them the possibility to go back to Tibet, it will be a jackpot for the CTA. Tibetans in exile have not progressed much in the past 60 years, even if they are given another 60 years, there will not be much changes.

As people around the world have move on and have a better prospect, Tibetans in exile will continue to stay behind as CTA does not care about progress. CTA is more interested in getting short term monetary benefit for themselves than to make their people stronger and more powerful. Until today, they still have to rely on India and their sponsors. 60 years have passed, something different must be done if the Tibetans in exile don't want to be left behind by the world.

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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2019, 08:58:47 AM »
Lobsang Sangay is again adding more salt into the wounds as he brings up about the border tensions between India and China, indicating that India's money could be better spent on developing the country instead of border security. He fails to realise that Tibetans in exile do not need to worry about border disputes, but how come the can't develop their own people and keep on asking and expecting India to "help" them?

He said “It is reality now. India is facing the danger and threat of China due to occupation of Tibet. There are tensions on borders. Lots of money are spend for the border security. If  Tibet have been free, there was no need of such expenses. Instead all these money could be used for the development of the country.”

He further adds sentimental statements to manipulate India and their ego by claiming Tibet is and should be India's problem because they are supposedly the original 'Made In India'... VERY ARROGANT.
He said... “Nowadays India talks about Made in India. But I will tell you the original Made in India is the Tibetan movement. Buddhism came to Tibet from India. Tibetan democracy is adopted from Indian democracy. We have drank India’s water. We have been taught by Indian teachers. Infact, His Holiness the Dalai lama calls himself ‘a son of India’. So the original Made in India are we. If Made in India has to be success, Tibet has to success. I believe under the leadership of Shri Indresh Kumar, Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch and other Tibet Support Groups in India , Tibet will be free.”

CTA causing schism between Tibetans is not enough, now they are causing schism between nations. LS hopes to garner support from India to fight with China demanding autonomy. Seriously, what do they expect to achieve from this strategy of criticising and condemning your so-called enemy, China? After all this CTA expects China to be friendly and have dialogue? Dream on. Really CTA needs to wake up fast before they start a war and cause more suffering for others. I am sure they did not think about the cost of war and how they can help India if India goes to war with China? Typical of CTA, causing disharmony and igniting hatred everywhere they go. By doing this, they lose their chance for autonomy and for His Holiness to be able to return to Tibet in a friendly manner! Very sad  :(

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CTA President addresses National Convention on Tibet organized by Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch in Delhi

New Delhi: CTA president Dr. Lobsang Sangay addressed the National Convention on Tibet organized by Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch, a national Tibet Support Group at Indira Gandhi National Centre for the Arts in New Delhi on 22 September 2019.

The program was also presided by Shri Indresh Kumar, Senior RSS leader and founder of  Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch, Shri Manoj Tiwari, Member of Parliament Lok Sabha and Delhi BJP President, Shri Harijit Singh Grewal, Commissioner, Punjab Khadi Udyog and Working President of Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch, Shri R. K. Khrimey, National Convener of  Core Group for Tibetan Cause – India, Kasur Gyari Dolma and other dignitaries.
 At the outset, the program began with the lighting of lamps before the statue of Lord Buddha, portraits of Bharat Maata and His Holiness the Dalai Lama by  Dr. Lobsang Sangay accompanied by Shri Indresh Kumar and other guests.

Some classical dances depicting the culture of India were presented before the guests and the audience.

Dr. Lobsang Sangay in his address foremost paid his namaskar and greetings to the large crowd gathered and congratulated Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch on the  completion of 20 years. He gave his heartful thanks to all BTSM activists gathered from all over India for the service rendered to the Tibetan movement.

He mentioned that 60 years ago, Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel wrote a letter to Pandit Nehru telling about the danger of Chinese occupation of Tibet and its consequences.  He said “It is reality now. India is facing the danger and threat of China due to occupation of Tibet. There are tensions on borders. Lots of money are spend for the border security. If  Tibet have been free, there was no need of such expenses. Instead all these money could be used for the development of the country.”

President Sangay expressed, “Today, you all are here talking about freedom for Tibet because there is no freedom in Tibet. Millions of Tibetans had been killed, thousands of monasteries had been destroyed and these all still going on. Larung Gar and Yachen Gar, where thousands of monks and nuns studies is being demolished. According to Freedom House Report which says after Syria, the least free nation is Tibet. Therefore we need world support and your support that is India.”

He further said, “Nowadays India talks about Made in India. But I will tell you the original Made in India is the Tibetan movement. Buddhism came to Tibet from India. Tibetan democracy is adopted from Indian democracy. We have drank India’s water. We have been taught by Indian teachers. Infact, His Holiness the Dalai lama calls himself ‘a son of India’. So the original Made in India are we. If Made in India has to be success, Tibet has to success. I believe under the leadership of Shri Indresh Kumar, Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch and other Tibet Support Groups in India , Tibet will be free.”

Shri Indresh Kumar addressing the gathering said that India and Tibet are the strength of Himalayas. No one can break that bond. Speaking on His Holines the Dalai Lama’s reincarnation, he strongly condemn the Chinese interference on that. He said “China has no right to decide on His Holiness’s reincarnation. China’s immoral, illegal and unethical interference in religious matters is unacceptable.”

He mentioned that His Holiness the Dalai Lama himself has said that the decision about his reincarnation solely lies on him. His reincarnation will not be born in China. There is possible that the next Dalai Lama may be born in India or any Asian countries where there is no shades of China’s presence, he added.

The goondagardi and dictatorship of China will not last. Tibet will be free and His Holiness the Dalai Lama will return to Tibet at Potala Palace, he concluded.

The National Convention was attended by Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch activists from all over India in large numbers. India Tibet Coordination Office, Delhi Coordinator Mr. Jigmey Tsultrim with staff, Tibetan representatives from Samyelling Tibetan Settlement, Majnukatilla and large number of Tibetans from and around Delhi also attended the program.

Source: https://tibet.net/cta-president-addresses-national-convention-on-tibet-organized-by-bharat-tibbat-sahyog-manch-in-delhi/

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Re: I hope China will accept dialogue with Tibetans: Lobsang Sangay
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2019, 08:11:23 AM »
Lobsang Sangay is again adding more salt into the wounds as he brings up about the border tensions between India and China, indicating that India's money could be better spent on developing the country instead of border security. He fails to realise that Tibetans in exile do not need to worry about border disputes, but how come the can't develop their own people and keep on asking and expecting India to "help" them?

He said “It is reality now. India is facing the danger and threat of China due to occupation of Tibet. There are tensions on borders. Lots of money are spend for the border security. If  Tibet have been free, there was no need of such expenses. Instead all these money could be used for the development of the country.”

He further adds sentimental statements to manipulate India and their ego by claiming Tibet is and should be India's problem because they are supposedly the original 'Made In India'... VERY ARROGANT.
He said... “Nowadays India talks about Made in India. But I will tell you the original Made in India is the Tibetan movement. Buddhism came to Tibet from India. Tibetan democracy is adopted from Indian democracy. We have drank India’s water. We have been taught by Indian teachers. Infact, His Holiness the Dalai lama calls himself ‘a son of India’. So the original Made in India are we. If Made in India has to be success, Tibet has to success. I believe under the leadership of Shri Indresh Kumar, Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch and other Tibet Support Groups in India , Tibet will be free.”

CTA causing schism between Tibetans is not enough, now they are causing schism between nations. LS hopes to garner support from India to fight with China demanding autonomy. Seriously, what do they expect to achieve from this strategy of criticising and condemning your so-called enemy, China? After all this CTA expects China to be friendly and have dialogue? Dream on. Really CTA needs to wake up fast before they start a war and cause more suffering for others. I am sure they did not think about the cost of war and how they can help India if India goes to war with China? Typical of CTA, causing disharmony and igniting hatred everywhere they go. By doing this, they lose their chance for autonomy and for His Holiness to be able to return to Tibet in a friendly manner! Very sad  :(

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CTA President addresses National Convention on Tibet organized by Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch in Delhi

New Delhi: CTA president Dr. Lobsang Sangay addressed the National Convention on Tibet organized by Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch, a national Tibet Support Group at Indira Gandhi National Centre for the Arts in New Delhi on 22 September 2019.

The program was also presided by Shri Indresh Kumar, Senior RSS leader and founder of  Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch, Shri Manoj Tiwari, Member of Parliament Lok Sabha and Delhi BJP President, Shri Harijit Singh Grewal, Commissioner, Punjab Khadi Udyog and Working President of Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch, Shri R. K. Khrimey, National Convener of  Core Group for Tibetan Cause – India, Kasur Gyari Dolma and other dignitaries.
 At the outset, the program began with the lighting of lamps before the statue of Lord Buddha, portraits of Bharat Maata and His Holiness the Dalai Lama by  Dr. Lobsang Sangay accompanied by Shri Indresh Kumar and other guests.

Some classical dances depicting the culture of India were presented before the guests and the audience.

Dr. Lobsang Sangay in his address foremost paid his namaskar and greetings to the large crowd gathered and congratulated Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch on the  completion of 20 years. He gave his heartful thanks to all BTSM activists gathered from all over India for the service rendered to the Tibetan movement.

He mentioned that 60 years ago, Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel wrote a letter to Pandit Nehru telling about the danger of Chinese occupation of Tibet and its consequences.  He said “It is reality now. India is facing the danger and threat of China due to occupation of Tibet. There are tensions on borders. Lots of money are spend for the border security. If  Tibet have been free, there was no need of such expenses. Instead all these money could be used for the development of the country.”

President Sangay expressed, “Today, you all are here talking about freedom for Tibet because there is no freedom in Tibet. Millions of Tibetans had been killed, thousands of monasteries had been destroyed and these all still going on. Larung Gar and Yachen Gar, where thousands of monks and nuns studies is being demolished. According to Freedom House Report which says after Syria, the least free nation is Tibet. Therefore we need world support and your support that is India.”

He further said, “Nowadays India talks about Made in India. But I will tell you the original Made in India is the Tibetan movement. Buddhism came to Tibet from India. Tibetan democracy is adopted from Indian democracy. We have drank India’s water. We have been taught by Indian teachers. Infact, His Holiness the Dalai lama calls himself ‘a son of India’. So the original Made in India are we. If Made in India has to be success, Tibet has to success. I believe under the leadership of Shri Indresh Kumar, Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch and other Tibet Support Groups in India , Tibet will be free.”

Shri Indresh Kumar addressing the gathering said that India and Tibet are the strength of Himalayas. No one can break that bond. Speaking on His Holines the Dalai Lama’s reincarnation, he strongly condemn the Chinese interference on that. He said “China has no right to decide on His Holiness’s reincarnation. China’s immoral, illegal and unethical interference in religious matters is unacceptable.”

He mentioned that His Holiness the Dalai Lama himself has said that the decision about his reincarnation solely lies on him. His reincarnation will not be born in China. There is possible that the next Dalai Lama may be born in India or any Asian countries where there is no shades of China’s presence, he added.

The goondagardi and dictatorship of China will not last. Tibet will be free and His Holiness the Dalai Lama will return to Tibet at Potala Palace, he concluded.

The National Convention was attended by Bharat Tibbat Sahyog Manch activists from all over India in large numbers. India Tibet Coordination Office, Delhi Coordinator Mr. Jigmey Tsultrim with staff, Tibetan representatives from Samyelling Tibetan Settlement, Majnukatilla and large number of Tibetans from and around Delhi also attended the program.

Source: https://tibet.net/cta-president-addresses-national-convention-on-tibet-organized-by-bharat-tibbat-sahyog-manch-in-delhi/

Can Lobsang Sangay just shut up if he cannot help to improve the relationship between India and China? Indian government has hinted many times and even said it openly that the Tibetans should not rely on India anymore, it is better if the Tibetans return to Tibet, choose to become an Indian citizen or just leave India. Just move on.

If Lobsang Sangay and the Tibetans are 'made-in-India', all of them should become an Indian citizen. Show their loyalty and appreciation to India. If they are made-in-India, there is no need to free Tibet. Tibetan Buddhism may come from India, but that's about it.

For centuries, Tiber has been under the protection of the Chinese since the Yuan Dynasty. The political power of the Dalai Lama was given to him by the Chinese emperor. If Tibet has always been an independent state, why did the Tibetans let the Chinese emperor dictate who should be the political head? Why did the Tibetans allow Chinese to send their representative to be based in Tibet to help them with their national affair? Since Tibet has never been an independent state, what is the point of having the free Tibet movement?

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Re: I hope China will accept dialogue with Tibetans: Lobsang Sangay
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2019, 09:06:16 AM »
Tracy... unfortunately he cannot seem to "shut up"... this is because his rice bowl depends on it.
If he shuts up then CTA will shut down then what are they and their corrupt families will eat?

Hence, he has to continue saying a lot of nonsensical things that actually creates more problems for himself and the CTA's future. Well, the Havard graduate seems to think he is smart... I think he bought the cert! LOL

Whatever it is, his strategy is not going to get him what he wants and definitely is not going to invite friendship with China. That's not going to happen by poking the dragon with a match stick... they will surely get burn.