Author Topic: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE  (Read 5290 times)

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Lobsang Sangay will not stop the Tibetans from self-immolation because he can gain so much of benefit from it. When a Tibetan kills himself, it raised a lot of awareness internationally and many westerners will donate to the Tibetan government hoping that the funds will be able to help with their situation but sadly it will not. The funds will be gone before it even reaches the hands of fellow Tibetans.

Do you know that Lobsang Sangay even published a guideline on how to self-immolate which directly promotes self-immolation and encouraging Tibetans to kill themselves that way? How evil this man can be? He does not know the preciousness of human life and all he thinks about is how much of donation he can get out of each self-immolation incident. What a pity for the Tibetans to have a president that actually wants them to be miserable.

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Forget about good leaders lead by example, this sentence never existed in Lobsang Sangay's life. If he really cares for his people, he will never own a US passport, he will never criticize China while at the same time telling the whole world the Dalai Lama wanting to go back Tibet, he will not trying to create problems between India and China...etc. It's good that the Tibetans started to see through his trick now.

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Forget about good leaders lead by example, this sentence never existed in Lobsang Sangay's life. If he really cares for his people, he will never own a US passport, he will never criticize China while at the same time telling the whole world the Dalai Lama wanting to go back Tibet, he will not trying to create problems between India and China...etc. It's good that the Tibetans started to see through his trick now.

Everything that Lobsang Sangay does is to delay the return of Tibetans and His Holiness the Dalai Lama to Tibet. Why they can't see it? It is so obvious that he does not want Tibetans to return to Tibet. Recently, China has opened its doors for Tibetans to return to Tibet and it is their initiative to invite Tibetans to return to their motherland.

If Lobsang Sangay is sincere in wishing to send Tibetans back to Tibet, he could have urged fellow Tibetans to go back to Tibet and he would have even asked CTA to support them. Tibet is in a very good condition now with almost no poverty. Tibetans can have a very good life back in Tibet with many support provided by the Chinese government.

There are many self-help workshops and social aids provided by the Chinese government to help fellow Tibetans to get back on their feet and to build a new life for themselves. All of these is for the benefit of Tibetans and CTA should seize the opportunity to give Tibetans back the life that they deserve instead of couped up in the poverty-stricken Tibetan settlements.

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Lobsang Sangay is none other than a big hypocrite! He said one thing and do another. A very good example is the Middle Way approach of the Dalai Lama in the Free Tibet issue. The Dalai Lama wants the autonomous status for Tibet and wishes to go back to Tibet but Losang Sangay is not doing anything to fulfill the Dalai Lama's wish.

Up until today, Lobsang Sangay is still going around the world to condemn China and endorse the Free Tibet movement. He clearly is not supporting the Dalai Lama. By him getting an American passport it also shows that he didn't think Free Tibet movement is going to be successful. But this is a very selfish act. He has got hismself an Amarican passport, how about the Tibetan community in India? They are still stateless and the CTA makes it very difficult for them to get the Indian citizenship.

Lobsang Sangay has no empathy for the Tibetans. It is not easy to live the life of a refugee. They cannot travel around the world freely. But Lobsang Sangay has everything, he does not have to worry. He has a future but the Tibetans in India has nothing.

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Lobsang Sangay is none other than a big hypocrite! He said one thing and do another. A very good example is the Middle Way approach of the Dalai Lama in the Free Tibet issue. The Dalai Lama wants the autonomous status for Tibet and wishes to go back to Tibet but Losang Sangay is not doing anything to fulfill the Dalai Lama's wish.

Up until today, Lobsang Sangay is still going around the world to condemn China and endorse the Free Tibet movement. He clearly is not supporting the Dalai Lama. By him getting an American passport it also shows that he didn't think Free Tibet movement is going to be successful. But this is a very selfish act. He has got hismself an Amarican passport, how about the Tibetan community in India? They are still stateless and the CTA makes it very difficult for them to get the Indian citizenship.

Lobsang Sangay has no empathy for the Tibetans. It is not easy to live the life of a refugee. They cannot travel around the world freely. But Lobsang Sangay has everything, he does not have to worry. He has a future but the Tibetans in India has nothing.

Lobsang Sangay is not the only hypocrite, his cronies in the CTA are all hypocrites too. They like to talk, argue and debate over petty things in their parliament meeting but very seldom they produce positive results. What they have is only negative news.

No one knows exactly what the CTA wants to do or achieve in the next 5 years especially about the Tibet Cause and what will happen to the Tibetans in India if there is still no success on the Free Tibet movement. There is no timeline given and the CTA just expects the Tibetans to keep waiting until a miracle happens.

The CTA should accept the fact that they are not capable, they have failed terribly in the Tibet Cause. It is time they give a clear direction to the Tibetans and not to make them wait forever. There is still a chance for the CTA to turn things around if they still want the support from the Tibetans.

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Lobsang Sangay is concentrating on the 5:50 plan that he came out and he said that he is not planning to stay in exile for 50 years but to plan for 50 years. It is just amazing on how he can try to fool Tibetans in exile into having hope for the Tibetan cause again. It has proven to the world that Lobsang Sangay cannot bring Tibetan cause into a reality.

Sixty years have passed, and the cause has no significant progress since then. Now Lobsang Sangay is proposing for the cause to be extended for another 50 years which is ridiculously long. After 50 years, most of the people who are alive now will be dead including him.

The 5:50 plan is Lobsang Sangay's grand plan to buy himself a few more years in the presidency and retire without doing anything. He can continue his fun going around the world talking bad about China without the pressure of Tibetan cause on his back since he has "postponed" it for another 50 years.

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Why the Tibetan leadership can keep allowing their fellow Tibetans to sacrifice themselves for nothing. After so many cases what is the end result? Does the situation change? .....obviously NO and why the Tibetan leadership didn't stop it?

Why the Tibetan leadership can go so hard to impose Shugden ban which does not bring any benefit at all but only suffering. Why the Tibetan leadership didn't use the same way how they band Shugden practice to stop self-immolation. Tibetan leadership should stop using self-immolation reasoning to get funding. This is really unethical and not necessary! Stop manipulating people's sentiment for money. Be a real leader to protect and fight for their people's welfare and their future!!!

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Why the Tibetan leadership can keep allowing their fellow Tibetans to sacrifice themselves for nothing. After so many cases what is the end result? Does the situation change? .....obviously NO and why the Tibetan leadership didn't stop it?

Why the Tibetan leadership can go so hard to impose Shugden ban which does not bring any benefit at all but only suffering. Why the Tibetan leadership didn't use the same way how they band Shugden practice to stop self-immolation. Tibetan leadership should stop using self-immolation reasoning to get funding. This is really unethical and not necessary! Stop manipulating people's sentiment for money. Be a real leader to protect and fight for their people's welfare and their future!!!

The Tibetan government are not real government in the first place. They do not even have a physical land. They exist due to the kindness of the Indian government for them to continue the pursuit of the independence of Tibet.

However, the leadership of the Tibetan government seems to forget what is their mission in India. Instead of focusing on how to get Tibet back, they focus on how to get more donation from the western countries and how to keep Tibetans locked up in the settlements. They create a lot of problems in the Tibetan community to keep them distracted from everyone's dream which is returning to a free Tibet.

Dorje Shugden ban is one of the problems that was created by the Tibetan government to justify their failure to lead Tibetans back to Tibet within the promised timeline. However, it is also the Tibetans' fault for not realising the agenda of their government and blindly followed them.

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The Mayor of Taipei SAID IT and is not going to apologise for recognising that self-immolation is not a good way to commit suicide. No one should actually commit suicide period. But what a slap in Tibetans' faces and of course Dharamshala and CTA people are jumping up and down against this because they encouraged their people to burn themselves and take their own lives, as if burning yourself alive is a far better humane act and supports human rights, calling the Mayor statements as "unfathomable and outrageous".

I guess to the CTA calling for Tibetans to burn themselves alive is not unfathomable and outrageous. Since when asking people to take their lives to make a statement is a good thing? Which Buddha ever mentioned that committing suicide is ok? 

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Taipei Mayor calls self immolation of Tibetans “not a good way of committing suicide”, sparks uproar

DHARAMSHALA, Oct. 24: The mayor of Taipei city, the capital of Taiwan known for his controversial statements have attracted fresh uproar with his comments on the self-immolation of Tibetans in occupied Tibet.

During a city government meeting on Wednesday where the increasing number of self immolation in Taipei city was being discussed, Mayor Ko Wen-je made references to the self immolation cases in Tibet and said that such a suicide method is “trending”. “Self-immolation has been trending among the lamas in Tibet for a while, which has bothered the Chinese Communist government a great deal. [It is] not a good way to commit suicide”, he was quoted saying by the Taiwan News.

The comments that many said were insensitive and purported support for China’s repression on Tibetans that gave rise to the unprecedented string of self immolations by Tibetans over the years. Ko who was questioned a day later on his statements, refused to apologize and asserted his distaste for the form of protest.

Tashi Tsering, the Tibetan chairperson of the Taipei-based Human Rights Network for Tibet and Taiwan, said Ko’s remarks are “unfathomable and outrageous.” He told TN that Ko is ignoring the suffering of the people in Tibet, Xinjiang, and even Hong Kong that are facing China’s authoritarian regime.

A Taiwanese activist Penghsuan Lee said the Mayor owed an apology to the self immolators and the people whose sentiments were hurt by his statement. She wrote on her Facebook, “Mayor Ko, you ignore the unspeakable suffering behind the Taiwanese people who choose to kill themselves. The Tibetan people were oppressed for 60 years, and more than 150 people chose to show their death to China as a form of protest.

You're not telling the truth. You are not only lying by using a biased framework, and one-sided explanation of the incident of Tibetan Self-immolators. You are self-righteous and lack empathy. It's not a matter of context or one-sided interpretation, but the appearance of the hypocrisy and disrespect for human rights and justice.”

Mayor Ko has attracted further disdain from the public for further adding that those who wish to commit suicide can overdose on sleeping pills instead of self-immolating.

Tibetans inside occupied Tibet as well as in exile have committed self-immolation as a form of protest against China’s occupation, its repressive policies since 2008 (Thupten Ngodup) in India and 2009 (Tapey) in Tibet. The toll has crossed the unprecedented toll of 160.

Source: http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=41881&article=Taipei+Mayor+calls+self+immolation+of+Tibetans+%e2%80%9cnot+a+good+way+of+committing+suicide%e2%80%9d%2c+sparks+uproar

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The Mayor of Taipei SAID IT and is not going to apologise for recognising that self-immolation is not a good way to commit suicide. No one should actually commit suicide period. But what a slap in Tibetans' faces and of course Dharamshala and CTA people are jumping up and down against this because they encouraged their people to burn themselves and take their own lives, as if burning yourself alive is a far better humane act and supports human rights, calling the Mayor statements as "unfathomable and outrageous".

I guess to the CTA calling for Tibetans to burn themselves alive is not unfathomable and outrageous. Since when asking people to take their lives to make a statement is a good thing? Which Buddha ever mentioned that committing suicide is ok? 

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Taipei Mayor calls self immolation of Tibetans “not a good way of committing suicide”, sparks uproar

DHARAMSHALA, Oct. 24: The mayor of Taipei city, the capital of Taiwan known for his controversial statements have attracted fresh uproar with his comments on the self-immolation of Tibetans in occupied Tibet.

During a city government meeting on Wednesday where the increasing number of self immolation in Taipei city was being discussed, Mayor Ko Wen-je made references to the self immolation cases in Tibet and said that such a suicide method is “trending”. “Self-immolation has been trending among the lamas in Tibet for a while, which has bothered the Chinese Communist government a great deal. [It is] not a good way to commit suicide”, he was quoted saying by the Taiwan News.

The comments that many said were insensitive and purported support for China’s repression on Tibetans that gave rise to the unprecedented string of self immolations by Tibetans over the years. Ko who was questioned a day later on his statements, refused to apologize and asserted his distaste for the form of protest.

Tashi Tsering, the Tibetan chairperson of the Taipei-based Human Rights Network for Tibet and Taiwan, said Ko’s remarks are “unfathomable and outrageous.” He told TN that Ko is ignoring the suffering of the people in Tibet, Xinjiang, and even Hong Kong that are facing China’s authoritarian regime.

A Taiwanese activist Penghsuan Lee said the Mayor owed an apology to the self immolators and the people whose sentiments were hurt by his statement. She wrote on her Facebook, “Mayor Ko, you ignore the unspeakable suffering behind the Taiwanese people who choose to kill themselves. The Tibetan people were oppressed for 60 years, and more than 150 people chose to show their death to China as a form of protest.

You're not telling the truth. You are not only lying by using a biased framework, and one-sided explanation of the incident of Tibetan Self-immolators. You are self-righteous and lack empathy. It's not a matter of context or one-sided interpretation, but the appearance of the hypocrisy and disrespect for human rights and justice.”

Mayor Ko has attracted further disdain from the public for further adding that those who wish to commit suicide can overdose on sleeping pills instead of self-immolating.

Tibetans inside occupied Tibet as well as in exile have committed self-immolation as a form of protest against China’s occupation, its repressive policies since 2008 (Thupten Ngodup) in India and 2009 (Tapey) in Tibet. The toll has crossed the unprecedented toll of 160.

Source: http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=41881&article=Taipei+Mayor+calls+self+immolation+of+Tibetans+%e2%80%9cnot+a+good+way+of+committing+suicide%e2%80%9d%2c+sparks+uproar



This CTA are really leading their people to the three lower realms... UNBELIEVABE. Educated Tibetans better wake up, step up, speak up and make a change. If Tibetans keep taking their own lives then what's the point is fighting to preserve the Tibetan culture when all the Tibetans are dead? C'mon people THINK, don't just follow CTA's stupid advice BLINDLY. They are not Buddhas and humans who are tainted with greed, power and money - the 3 poisons. And I am sure NO GOOD LAMAS are encouraging this, or is there? Oh my Buddha, if there is, it would be a HUGE SHAME, what has Tibetan Buddhism degenerated to? This is so sad to hear...

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I just don't understand how people can glorify self-immolation and further encourage people to do it. There are many ways to create awareness of the sufferings people are going through, self-immolation definitely is not one of them.

Ghandi and Mandela did not free their countries by committing suicide, they use a very peaceful way to make their voices heard. Their ways are the real non-violent methods. The CTA only wants to create trouble for China, to disturb the stability of the society.

While people want to take pity on those who have sacrificed their lives, they should also discourage people from doing that. Self-immolation is not necessary, it brings no benefits to the cause.

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I just don't understand how people can glorify self-immolation and further encourage people to do it. There are many ways to create awareness of the sufferings people are going through, self-immolation definitely is not one of them.

Ghandi and Mandela did not free their countries by committing suicide, they use a very peaceful way to make their voices heard. Their ways are the real non-violent methods. The CTA only wants to create trouble for China, to disturb the stability of the society.

While people want to take pity on those who have sacrificed their lives, they should also discourage people from doing that. Self-immolation is not necessary, it brings no benefits to the cause.

There is a reason the CTA and Lobsang Sangay encourage Tibetans to self-immolate. The CTA and Lobsang Sangay just want to create troubles to China. Apart from that, they also need to create more tragedies to victimise themselves in order to get more sympathy and donation from people.

The CTA and Lobsang Sangay are only after money and power. For the past 60 years, they have been receiving free money from the sponsors. They don't have to work hard for anything, all they need to do is to make themselves pitiful.

Hence, self-immolation becomes a tool for the CTA and Lobsang Sangay to achieve their selfish agenda. The real victims are the Tibetans who are stateless.

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I just don't understand how people can glorify self-immolation and further encourage people to do it. There are many ways to create awareness of the sufferings people are going through, self-immolation definitely is not one of them.

Ghandi and Mandela did not free their countries by committing suicide, they use a very peaceful way to make their voices heard. Their ways are the real non-violent methods. The CTA only wants to create trouble for China, to disturb the stability of the society.

While people want to take pity on those who have sacrificed their lives, they should also discourage people from doing that. Self-immolation is not necessary, it brings no benefits to the cause.

There is a reason the CTA and Lobsang Sangay encourage Tibetans to self-immolate. The CTA and Lobsang Sangay just want to create troubles to China. Apart from that, they also need to create more tragedies to victimise themselves in order to get more sympathy and donation from people.

The CTA and Lobsang Sangay are only after money and power. For the past 60 years, they have been receiving free money from the sponsors. They don't have to work hard for anything, all they need to do is to make themselves pitiful.

Hence, self-immolation becomes a tool for the CTA and Lobsang Sangay to achieve their selfish agenda. The real victims are the Tibetans who are stateless.

It is unimaginable that CTA is willing to use their own people as a sacrifice to get more money for themselves. The government is supposed to protect their own people and not use them as pawns. No wonder all Tibetans are still suffering in Tibetans settlements in India. After 60 years of assistance from countries all over the world, they are still living in poverty selling sweaters.

CTA received so many donations but yet their people are still suffering. Where did all the funds go? Meanwhile, most of Tibetan leadership has two passports and properties in other countries. It is obvious that Tibetans are not going to go back to Tibet anytime soon under CTA.

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It is unimaginable that CTA is willing to use their own people as a sacrifice to get more money for themselves. The government is supposed to protect their own people and not use them as pawns. No wonder all Tibetans are still suffering in Tibetans settlements in India. After 60 years of assistance from countries all over the world, they are still living in poverty selling sweaters.

CTA received so many donations but yet their people are still suffering. Where did all the funds go? Meanwhile, most of Tibetan leadership has two passports and properties in other countries. It is obvious that Tibetans are not going to go back to Tibet anytime soon under CTA.
The CTA will not disclose to the public how they use the money sponsors have been giving to them. If they have used the money appropriately, there should be some progress in the Tibet cause, but there isn't. They use the money to do things that separate the Tibetan community, for examples, printing books and releasing videos that lie about Dorje Shugden. Apart from that, they also used the money to print guides on how to self-immolate! The things that they do with the money don't bring benefits to the Tibetans but further separate the Tibetans apart.

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How can the CTA encourage people to self-immolate? The CTA promotes self-immolation as an honourable action. A memorial will be built for self-immolator. Why sacrifice a life? There really is no need to do that. There are many ways to create awareness of Tibet issue in the world, but self-immolation is not one of them. After 151 self-immolation cases, what did the CTA achieve? More support from other countries? This is not the case, if it is, how come more and more countries announce that they are not supporting the CTA anymore? If they want to create awareness on the Tibet issue, perhaps learn it from PETA organisation. PETA is very success in creating animal cruelty worldwide. None of PETA's campaign involves sacrificing lives.