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Title: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: christine V on December 25, 2017, 05:09:25 PM
My humble opinion on this news
1) Mr. Sikyong please do not use this tragedy to blind your own blood/ Tibetan to kill themselves
2) The Rangzen people should truly support H.H Dalai Lama and let H.H Dalai Lama go home, this incident will be less.

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Tibetan President-in-Exile Calls on China to Address Grievances
December 25, 2017 0:28 AM Tinley Nyandak

Tibet’s president-in-exile has called on the Chinese government to address the grievances of Tibetans in Tibet after a young man set himself on fire last week.

According to several sources, 30-year-old Konpe set himself ablaze in the infamous “Martyr’s Lane” in Ngaba town in Ngaba County, Sichuan Province, Dec. 23. Many Tibetans have self-immolated in Ngaba town, in eastern Tibet since 2009.

Expressing deep concern at the self-immolation, President Dr. Lobsang Sangay said: “Despite repeated appeals from the Central Tibetan Administration, at least 151 Tibetans have set themselves on fire inside Tibet since 2009. The Chinese government should realize that the cause as well as the solution to this wave of fiery protests lie with the Chinese government itself.”

“The Chinese government should address the legitimate grievances of the Tibetan people and review the failed policies that have engendered the grim situation and Tibetans resorting to self immolation to protest the Chinese rule in Tibet,” he added.

Sources say the self-immolator raised slogans for Tibet’s freedom before Chinese authorities arrived at the scene and took away his body. It was not clear whether he was dead or alive.

Last month an elderly monk named Tenga set himself on fire and died later in Kardze County in eastern Tibet’s Kham region.

Konpe’s self-immolation brings the total number of self-immolation protests in Tibet to 152 since 2009. The majority of those protesters have died. The protesters have called for freedom for Tibet and return of Tibet’s spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama.



Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: dsnowlion on December 31, 2017, 11:23:01 PM
It is disgusting that President of the Tibetan people in exile take someone's death and self-immolation to further his own cause to draw more sympathy from people to get more money. That is what it is for Sikyong Lobsang Sangay and his crooked cronies in the Central Tibetan Administration. They should really all be sacked and new leadership/fresh start for the New Year 2018 should happen.

Yes indeed they should support HH the Dalai Lama to return to Tibet, and why are they not and instead keep on pocking fire onto the already bad relationship? They say they support HH the Dalai Lama so why go against Dalai Lama's plans by taking every opportunity to keep condemning them Mr. Sangay? You are really a horrible, power hungry, self-centred, greedy, corrupt, fake leader. Please resign already, you are shaming Tibetans!
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Celia on January 02, 2018, 06:12:49 AM
Typical of Lobsang Sangay to capitalise on the situation to his advantage no matter how lame it would make him look. More and more people are wizening up to his shenanigans especially with the latest on-going public dirty laundry due to mud-slinging between him and Penpa Tsering in relation to Penpa’s termination. Also, not forgetting the recent monumental screw-up with Samdong Rinpoche on the conflicting/confusing confirmation on a matter so vitally significant to Tibetans.

Considering his precarious situation, if he has any conscience, instead of still reaping as much for his personal gains by stepping on and using the Tibetans, he should "atone" and at least attempt to act the part and do something constructive towards delivering what he promised to Tibetans during his election campaign instead of constantly blaming and antagonising China, effectively sabotaging any chances of good faith negotiation on the Tibetan cause.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: michaela on January 02, 2018, 01:41:42 PM
There are only two possibilities: Either Lobsang Sangay discreetly support and encourage self-immlation so they keep happening or the Tibetans do not respect him enough to listen to his advice to not self-immolate


Couple attempt self-immolation
A couple from TIRUNELVELI

Maranthai in the district – K. Ashok Kumar (35) and Divya Darshini (29) – attempted suicide by dousing themselves with kerosene outside the Collectorate here on Tuesday. Police personnel deployed in the area, however, thwarted their attempt and sent them to hospital.

Even as the officials tried to downplay the issue, inquiries suggested that Divya Darshini had come to the Collectorate in the forenoon and submitted a petition to the District Revenue Officer.

In her petition, she said her mother had deposited ?10 lakh in Divya Darshini’s name. As she was a minor then, her mother had made it a joint account, which could also be operated by Divya Darshini’s maternal uncle. Divya Darshini stated that her uncle had cheated her and siphoned off the money after her mother’s death.

As her repeated attempts to reach her uncle failed, she and her husband took the extreme step, Divya Darshini said.

Palayamkottai Inspector T. Periasami said the couple were admitted to Tirunelveli Government Medical College Hospital. A case would be registered in this regard, he said.

Following the suicide of Esakkimuthu, his wife and two children at the Collectorate in October, the police have sealed most of the entrances to the complex, but intensified checks. Frisking is done particularly on Mondays, when people turn up in large numbers to participate in the grievance redressal meeting.

People in need of counselling to overcome suicidal tendencies can contact the State Health Department’s helpline 104. Chennai-based suicide prevention centre Sneha can be contacted at 044-24640050.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/couple-attempt-self-immolation-tirunelveli/article22282112.ece (http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/couple-attempt-self-immolation-tirunelveli/article22282112.ece)
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Rowntree on January 06, 2018, 01:18:30 PM
The only reason self-immolation still takes place is because CTA encourages it by not doing anything to stop it. We all know how powerful the Dalai Lama's speech is and how much Tibetans will listen to it. One sentence from him can stop all this. It is very simple. How come CTA didn't ask the Dalai Lama to address this? How come they put the blame on China while they know the solution lies in their hands? Well, it is all about money, isn't it? If the Tibetans stopped self-immolation, there will be no more draw for the CTA to ask for money from westerners.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: angelica on January 06, 2018, 05:00:19 PM
With the rise of China in the world economy, the hope for Tibet to get independence is very slim. Therefore, the Tibetan should accept this and do not waste their precious human body. Their sacrifice by self-immolation is not worth it.

CTA please stop your Tibentan from self-immolation. Where is your compassion? How can you allow your Tibetan to sacrifice like this?
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Belinda Mae on January 07, 2018, 04:12:12 PM
WOW! I CAN'T IMAGINE PRESIDENT LOBSANG SANGAY CAN SAY SUCH THINGS. HE CAN BLAME CHINA FOR THE SELF-IMMOLATION AND NOT INTO THEMSELVES THEY ARE THE CULPRIT WHO IS CREATING THE SELF-IMMOLATION. YES, THE TIBETANS WANT FREEDOM, BUT CTA IS ALWAYS STOPPING THEM FROM DOING SO. SO, WHO IS AT THE WRONG NOW? CTA OR CHINA?  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Celia on January 08, 2018, 04:43:15 PM
With the rise of China in the world economy, the hope for Tibet to get independence is very slim. Therefore, the Tibetan should accept this and do not waste their precious human body. Their sacrifice by self-immolation is not worth it.

CTA please stop your Tibentan from self-immolation. Where is your compassion? How can you allow your Tibetan to sacrifice like this?

@Angelica  Unfortunately, it is obvious from their constant blame towards China and refusal to discourage the self-immolations that those helming CTA were never serving the interests of Tibetans. They are clearly only milking the situation for their own benefit. As such, it is just CTA’s typical irresponsible reaction to blame instead of taking accountability to do the proper thing. Sad but true.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Drolma on November 22, 2018, 05:47:25 PM
What the CTA really wants is to have the Tibetans remain as refugees for as long as they can. They are making easy money now by selling their poor me story to the west. They get millions and millions of dollars just by showing them some pictures or videos.

Not only the Tibetans in India are being used by the CTA, but the Tibetans in China are also used by them for their own interest. The CTA encourages the Tibetans in China to burn themselves as a protest to Chinese ruling. Some Tibetans are very gullible to think that it would work so they took their own lives. Up until today, there are more than 150 cases of self-immolation.

Knowing that the self-immolation will not work, the CTA is still not making an effort to stop the Tibetans from taking their own lives. Instead, they glorify their action by erecting a monument for these people. What the CTA is doing is really disgusting, they are using precious lives to get the money.  They give no value to other's lives except theirs. 
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Alex on November 23, 2018, 03:43:50 AM
What kind of government encourages their people to kill themselves? Only a government that has no care for their people do that. The CTA has been glorifying self-immolators as heroes of the Tibetans but actually, their motive is not really to appreciate what they did but to encourage more Tibetans do to it. Why? Because CTA gets more donations and attention internationally after that.

Tibetans have been staying in India for 60 years now and they really need some new tricks to get donations from the western country. Despite receiving donations for over 60 years and produce no result, they have to think of something else to generate more sympathy so that the western countries will keep on donating to their lost cause.

If there is nothing new, the western countries might start to doubt the usage of those funds and start to question them about why there is no progress on Tibet cause after so many years of support. With more Tibetan immolate themselves. With more Tibetans killing themselves, it will make China look even worst and also the attention it will bring to them. More attention will bring in more donations.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Rowntree on November 23, 2018, 03:54:56 AM
Perhaps the Indian Supreme Court's decision on this case be used to petition a similar "unbanning" of Dorje Shugden practice in monasteries and all harmful actions against the Chinese ruling of Tibet. Once that is done, no more self-immolation will take place anymore?


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India Supreme Court overturns ban on women at Sabarimala temple

India's Supreme Court says barring women aged 10 to 50 from entering Sabarimala Ayyappa temple was unconstitutional.


by Zeenat Saberin
28 Sept 2018

An estimated one million Hindu pilgrims travel to the Sabarimala temple every year to pray to the deity Lord Ayyappa [File: Hareesh Kumar AS/The Associated Press]

New Delhi - India's Supreme Court has overturned a decades-old ban by religious authorities that forbid women from entering one of the holiest Hindu temples in the country.

The Sabarimala Ayyappa temple was one of the few temples in India that barred women aged between 10 and 50 from entering.

"Religion cannot be a cover to deny women the right to worship ... to treat women as children of lesser God is to blink at constitutional morality," Justice DY Chandrachud said on Friday while reading the judgment.

An estimated one million Hindu pilgrims travel to the Sabarimala temple in the southern state of Kerala annually.

The ban on female devotees was being upheld by the Travancore Devaswom Board, which manages the famous Sabarimala Ayyappa temple.

The ban, defended by the government and conservative Hindu bodies, came under legal scrutiny in 2016 after the Young Lawyers' Association filed a petition seeking entry for all women.

Congratulations to all of us Indians .. we have all walked away from darkness of shame into light of equality!! Bow to judges who made us aware of rights of half of India!!

Women's rights lawyer Flavia Agnes said "spaces have to be created for judicial intervention", but warned that determining what is the core or essential practices of religions was riddled with complexities.

"Today's ruling can affect other similar strictures like 'Christian women cannot become priests'. All these things can now be challenged," Agnes told Al Jazeera.

"It will be interesting to watch how the courts proceed from here for those practices - whether they hold this as 'discrimination' or freedom to practise your religion."

Sabarimala Ayyappa temple's website explains that since Lord Ayyappa was "Nithya Brahmachari" - or celibate - women in the 10-50 age group are not allowed to enter.

"Such women who try to enter Sabarimala will be prevented by authorities," the website reads.

The head of the temple had said earlier he would consider allowing women to enter if there was a machine to check if they were menstruating.

In the ruling, Justice Chandrachud criticised this diktat, saying: "The ban says presence of women deviates from celibacy. This is placing the burden of men's celibacy on women. It stigmatises them, stereotypes them."

Menstruation is rarely discussed openly in India and menstrual blood is considered impure by many communities. Across cities and towns, menstruating girls and women are not allowed to prepare food, enter a temple or touch an idol.

Reaction to the decision
Justice Indu Malhotra, the lone dissenting judge on the 5-judges bench at the top court, said she did not agree with the majority ruling on the ban.

"What constitutes essential religious practice is for the religious community to decide, not for the court ... notions of rationality cannot be brought into religion," said Malhotra.

"A balance needs to be struck between religious beliefs and the cherished principles of non-discrimination and equality laid down by constitution."

Conservative Hindu groups have reacted, saying they will challenge the decision of the top court. 

"We are going for a review petition by the first week of October. The Deity's concept was not taken into consideration," said Rahul Easwar, president of the Ayyappa Dharma Sena (Ayyappa Religious Army), that claims to protect the interests of the Lord Ayyappa.

"The Deity has rights which were not mentioned here. So a conglomerate of Hindu groups will appeal against this decision."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/09/india-supreme-court-overturns-ban-women-sabarimala-temple-180928074701697.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/09/india-supreme-court-overturns-ban-women-sabarimala-temple-180928074701697.html)
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Tracy on November 25, 2018, 02:08:35 AM
In China, many Tibetans burnt themselves to death thinking they will be able to free Tibet. So far, there were more than 150 cases of self-immolation in Tibet. Lives were sacrificed but there was no result or even progress in the Free Tibet movement.

The CTA knows very well self-immolation will not help in their cause. If it worked, it would have worked when the first person self-immolated. However, the CTA still encourages the Tibetans to self-immolate by glorifying it.

The CTA needs to have more poor-me stories to earn sympathy from the sponsors so that they can get financial support from them. Therefore they did not want to stop the Tibetans from burning themselves but they encourage more people to do that. The CTA is the only government in the world who use their own people's lives for their personal interest.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Alex on November 26, 2018, 01:05:31 AM
In China, many Tibetans burnt themselves to death thinking they will be able to free Tibet. So far, there were more than 150 cases of self-immolation in Tibet. Lives were sacrificed but there was no result or even progress in the Free Tibet movement.

The CTA knows very well self-immolation will not help in their cause. If it worked, it would have worked when the first person self-immolated. However, the CTA still encourages the Tibetans to self-immolate by glorifying it.

The CTA needs to have more poor-me stories to earn sympathy from the sponsors so that they can get financial support from them. Therefore they did not want to stop the Tibetans from burning themselves but they encourage more people to do that. The CTA is the only government in the world who use their own people's lives for their personal interest.

Self-immolation will not help Tibetans to get back Tibet. China's grip on Tibet is firm and strong. There is no way they will back up and give back Tibet to Tibetans on a silver platter. It will not happen and Tibetans can stop dreaming about Rangzen. There is a reason why His Holiness the Dalai Lama who is Buddha of Compassion that attained perfect wisdom to propose Umaylam, autonomy within China.

His Holiness knows independence of Tibet is unachievable. All Tibetans should unite and support His Holiness's decision and work towards it. It will only be beneficial for them if they are able to return to Tibet sooner. If His Holiness passes away before they can return to Tibet, it will be even more difficult for them to return.

CTA, on the other hand, should stop painting China a bad name because it won't help to get Tibetans back to Tibet. It will only make China confuse on the stance of Tibetans whether they want to get on China's good books or keep irritating China. They need to at least act like they don't oppose China anymore so that China will at least give them a chance to talk.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: SabS on November 26, 2018, 02:15:53 AM
In China, many Tibetans burnt themselves to death thinking they will be able to free Tibet. So far, there were more than 150 cases of self-immolation in Tibet. Lives were sacrificed but there was no result or even progress in the Free Tibet movement.

The CTA knows very well self-immolation will not help in their cause. If it worked, it would have worked when the first person self-immolated. However, the CTA still encourages the Tibetans to self-immolate by glorifying it.

The CTA needs to have more poor-me stories to earn sympathy from the sponsors so that they can get financial support from them. Therefore they did not want to stop the Tibetans from burning themselves but they encourage more people to do that. The CTA is the only government in the world who use their own people's lives for their personal interest.

Self-immolation will not help Tibetans to get back Tibet. China's grip on Tibet is firm and strong. There is no way they will back up and give back Tibet to Tibetans on a silver platter. It will not happen and Tibetans can stop dreaming about Rangzen. There is a reason why His Holiness the Dalai Lama who is Buddha of Compassion that attained perfect wisdom to propose Umaylam, autonomy within China.

His Holiness knows independence of Tibet is unachievable. All Tibetans should unite and support His Holiness's decision and work towards it. It will only be beneficial for them if they are able to return to Tibet sooner. If His Holiness passes away before they can return to Tibet, it will be even more difficult for them to return.

CTA, on the other hand, should stop painting China a bad name because it won't help to get Tibetans back to Tibet. It will only make China confuse on the stance of Tibetans whether they want to get on China's good books or keep irritating China. They need to at least act like they don't oppose China anymore so that China will at least give them a chance to talk.

I agree with you. China had never in history ever given in to threats, be it during group or lone demonstrations. On the contrary, the officials will quickly step in to remove this threat regardless. I can actually understand China's stance as they do have a very large country to take care of and look to harmony for everyone, not just the interest of a small group. As such, self-immolation is a waste of precious life that could have done much more alive. Now, it only raises the ire of China and increases the level of distrust towards the Tibetan Leaders. How is CTA going to fulfill the Dalai Lama's wishes to return home??

CTA is, in fact, the traitor to the Dalai Lama and their people who placed their hopes and lives in CTA's hands. It is CTA who can either help them using the ludicrous sponsorship money received or keep them hopeless so as to have reasons to continue receiving donations. CTA has been so professional in their begging mode that they now abide in it with ease and dare not step out of this comfort zone for even their people nor the Dalai Lama. The fear is too great that they rather continue begging (Lobsang Sangay is not travelling the world in luxury to beg) than to be cooperating with the Chinese for easy money. Warped sense of logic! What more, the Dalai Lama, an enlightened being already saw what should be done many years ago. Clearly, CTA just do not have the merits to support the Dalai Lama.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Tracy on January 27, 2019, 08:11:45 AM

Self-immolation will not help Tibetans to get back Tibet. China's grip on Tibet is firm and strong. There is no way they will back up and give back Tibet to Tibetans on a silver platter. It will not happen and Tibetans can stop dreaming about Rangzen. There is a reason why His Holiness the Dalai Lama who is Buddha of Compassion that attained perfect wisdom to propose Umaylam, autonomy within China.

His Holiness knows independence of Tibet is unachievable. All Tibetans should unite and support His Holiness's decision and work towards it. It will only be beneficial for them if they are able to return to Tibet sooner. If His Holiness passes away before they can return to Tibet, it will be even more difficult for them to return.

CTA, on the other hand, should stop painting China a bad name because it won't help to get Tibetans back to Tibet. It will only make China confuse on the stance of Tibetans whether they want to get on China's good books or keep irritating China. They need to at least act like they don't oppose China anymore so that China will at least give them a chance to talk.

The CTA does not want to get Tibet back, this is for sure. If they want to, they would have changed their strategy many years ago. They are still using the same method they used 60 years ago to try to free Tibet, how is that possible?

The CTA will not discourage self-immolation either, in fact, they will encourage more. They want more free money from the west and self-immolation is a great tool to earn sympathy from the west. The more self-immolation cases they can present, the more money they are able to get. Sad to say that, the welfare of the Tibetans is never their main interest.

If the CTA really frees Tibet, they bring stress to themselves. They don't know how to rule or manage a country. As it is, they can't even provide a good future for the 80,000 Tibetans in exile, how are they going to be responsible for the millions of Tibetans in Tibet? More Tibetans have realised that the CTA is incapable and free Tibet is just wishful thinking, so more and more Tibetans are leaving India now.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Alex on February 06, 2019, 05:50:22 AM
There is a book that is being published by the Tibetan leadership glorifies self-immolation. They are actually telling their Tibetans to go light themselves on fire and die for their country. What kind of government do that? A government is supposed to protect their own people and not exploit them for personal gain.

The self-immolation cases have brought a tremendous amount of international attention to the Tibet-China situation and they put China in a very bad position. This is exactly what the Tibetan leadership wants. When the world see how desperate the Tibetans are to use such an extreme method to raise awareness of China’s occupation of Tibet.

Sympathy funds will start pouring in and this is exactly what the Tibetan leadership wants. All they care for is the donation that they will get. They are shameless to exploit their own citizen’s life to get donations. It is amazing that the Tibetans are still loyal and blind to all the exploitation that they are suffering from the Tibetan government.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Alex on February 07, 2019, 06:36:13 PM
Why is the Tibetan leadership does not stop their own people from killing themselves? In fact, they are enjoying the fact that their own people are burning themselves to death and getting international attention which comes with a lot of sympathy money. The Tibetan leadership is a sick group of people that only care for themselves.

There are over 160 Tibetans that killed themselves to fight for the freedom of their country. Until now, the Tibetan leadership has not released any statement or public announcement to advise or stop their own people from doing the act. It does not help with the situation at all because China will certainly not return Tibet back to them just because some Tibetans killed themselves and protested against their rule in Tibet.

Then, the Tibetan leadership go a step ahead and glorifies the act of self-immolation and labeled the self-immolators as the national hero. They are directly encouraging Tibetans to die for their country in such a horrible way which is totally ineffective and pointless. Tibetan leadership knows it very well but yet they allowed it because it generates more donation and put China in a bad light.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Tracy on February 07, 2019, 10:05:44 PM
Why is the Tibetan leadership does not stop their own people from killing themselves? In fact, they are enjoying the fact that their own people are burning themselves to death and getting international attention which comes with a lot of sympathy money. The Tibetan leadership is a sick group of people that only care for themselves.

There are over 160 Tibetans that killed themselves to fight for the freedom of their country. Until now, the Tibetan leadership has not released any statement or public announcement to advise or stop their own people from doing the act. It does not help with the situation at all because China will certainly not return Tibet back to them just because some Tibetans killed themselves and protested against their rule in Tibet.

Then, the Tibetan leadership go a step ahead and glorifies the act of self-immolation and labeled the self-immolators as the national hero. They are directly encouraging Tibetans to die for their country in such a horrible way which is totally ineffective and pointless. Tibetan leadership knows it very well but yet they allowed it because it generates more donation and put China in a bad light.

Lobsang Sangay and the CTA don't care about the lives of the Tibetans, their own lives are more precious than the normal Tibetans. They make self-immolator a hero when they sacrifice their lives. The CTA then use this to condemn China for not respecting human rights to create troubles for China.

You are right, the main reason the CTA is encouraging the Tibetans to self-immolate because they want free money from the west. The free money comes very easy, the CTA does not have to work hard for it. This is the culture of the Tibetan leadership, they are selfish, they don't work hard for the people, they only think of how to take advantage of people to make themselves rich.

The CTA is the lousiest leadership in the world. After 60 years of struggle, the Tibetans are still struggling. Even though the Tibetan community is not big, but they are always fighting with each other, there are conflicts and people are not in unity. The CTA created the conflicts on purpose so that the people's power will not be strong enough to get rid of them.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Alex on February 18, 2019, 10:08:49 AM
Why is the Tibetan leadership does not stop their own people from killing themselves? In fact, they are enjoying the fact that their own people are burning themselves to death and getting international attention which comes with a lot of sympathy money. The Tibetan leadership is a sick group of people that only care for themselves.

There are over 160 Tibetans that killed themselves to fight for the freedom of their country. Until now, the Tibetan leadership has not released any statement or public announcement to advise or stop their own people from doing the act. It does not help with the situation at all because China will certainly not return Tibet back to them just because some Tibetans killed themselves and protested against their rule in Tibet.

Then, the Tibetan leadership go a step ahead and glorifies the act of self-immolation and labeled the self-immolators as the national hero. They are directly encouraging Tibetans to die for their country in such a horrible way which is totally ineffective and pointless. Tibetan leadership knows it very well but yet they allowed it because it generates more donation and put China in a bad light.

Lobsang Sangay and the CTA don't care about the lives of the Tibetans, their own lives are more precious than the normal Tibetans. They make self-immolator a hero when they sacrifice their lives. The CTA then use this to condemn China for not respecting human rights to create troubles for China.

You are right, the main reason the CTA is encouraging the Tibetans to self-immolate because they want free money from the west. The free money comes very easy, the CTA does not have to work hard for it. This is the culture of the Tibetan leadership, they are selfish, they don't work hard for the people, they only think of how to take advantage of people to make themselves rich.

The CTA is the lousiest leadership in the world. After 60 years of struggle, the Tibetans are still struggling. Even though the Tibetan community is not big, but they are always fighting with each other, there are conflicts and people are not in unity. The CTA created the conflicts on purpose so that the people's power will not be strong enough to get rid of them.

I really do pity the Tibetans so have such government leading them. They most probably will not be able to get back independence for their homeland anymore. The time has changed and the karma for Rangzen has passed. That is why even His Holiness the Dalai Lama started fighting for Umaylam instead of Rangzen. His Holiness knows exactly that independence for Tibet is not achievable anymore.

If the CTA has not dragged so long so make effort to pursue Rangzen, there might be a chance that they actually can achieve it. But since CTA like to drag and focus on getting benefits for themselves only, they had missed the chance to fight for it.

Now that China had invested so much into Tibet, they will not let go of Tibet easily. They had also grown to be one of the most powerful countries in the world and it is much more difficult to convince them to return Tibet to the Tibetans. Now it is the Tibetans who will suffer because, after 60 years, they will remain a refugee.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Drolma on February 19, 2019, 06:02:45 PM
It is really shocking to know a government will encourage their own people to self-immolate in order to create awareness. This is what the CTA is doing, they published a book to glorify self-immolation and inside the book, there is also instruction to guide people how to self-immolate.

What I find disturbing is the human rights activists are very upset of the self-immolation act and they blame it on China. But no one condemns the CTA for glorifying and encouraging self-immolation. If the CTA does not glorify self-immolation, there will be zero case. The human rights activists are also hypocrites.

At the end of the day, no one is really righteous to fight for the Tibet cause. Everyone actually wants to sabotage China and weaken China's power especially the west. If China takes control of the world's economy, the west can no longer exploit Asia where most of the resources are now. But China is just too strong to fight with. Instead of fighting, the western countries should work with China, this will be a win-win situation for both.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Tracy on February 20, 2019, 05:03:40 PM
Actually, no one really wants to free Tibet. The western countries want Tibet to remain as it is so they can use this to continue to condemn China. They are not stupid, they will not continue to support a cause that does not bring them benefit for 60 years. Without an issue in China, how are they going to sabotage China?

The western countries are very worried about the rising power of China. For the past 2,3 centuries, they have been the stronger one who conquered and exploited the weaker for their benefits. They don't want to be the weaker one or to be under controlled. China is a big threat to them. If China becomes the most powerful economy, they have to kowtow to China and they won't be able to continue to exploit Asian countries.

The western countries are not righteous, they are only using the Tibet issue to try to jeopardise China. The CTA also knows that but their greed for money is strong that they betray their own people. They sold the Tibet cause to the west for their own interest. If you wonder why the Tibetans lost their country, this is the reason.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: SabS on February 26, 2019, 10:02:50 PM
It is really shocking to know a government will encourage their own people to self-immolate in order to create awareness. This is what the CTA is doing, they published a book to glorify self-immolation and inside the book, there is also instruction to guide people how to self-immolate.

What I find disturbing is the human rights activists are very upset of the self-immolation act and they blame it on China. But no one condemns the CTA for glorifying and encouraging self-immolation. If the CTA does not glorify self-immolation, there will be zero case. The human rights activists are also hypocrites.

At the end of the day, no one is really righteous to fight for the Tibet cause. Everyone actually wants to sabotage China and weaken China's power especially the west. If China takes control of the world's economy, the west can no longer exploit Asia where most of the resources are now. But China is just too strong to fight with. Instead of fighting, the western countries should work with China, this will be a win-win situation for both.

You are so right! Especially when Tibet has been a part of China for 60 years and recognised as such by the World Leaders. So it is illogical or extremely misleading to even think that the exiled Tibetan Leaders are able to regain Tibet as a country again. Therefore Lobsang Sangay and CTA are misleading these Tibetans into self-immolation or suicide with no basis or reason at all. It is just a dastardly act of encouraging suicide to gain more sympathy which leads to more sponsorships. It is really sad that those who died are actually dying for CTA's greed and selfishness, nothing more. China had been investing in Tibet to raise the living standards of its citizens, the Chinese Tibetans. Many are encouraged to take up the skill training available and for the chance to own properties and businesses. It is only CTA is making China out to be the tyrant and themselves as victims. I think CTA should be answerable to causing these suicides and be persecuted.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Tracy on March 01, 2019, 02:24:39 PM
You are so right! Especially when Tibet has been a part of China for 60 years and recognised as such by the World Leaders. So it is illogical or extremely misleading to even think that the exiled Tibetan Leaders are able to regain Tibet as a country again. Therefore Lobsang Sangay and CTA are misleading these Tibetans into self-immolation or suicide with no basis or reason at all. It is just a dastardly act of encouraging suicide to gain more sympathy which leads to more sponsorships. It is really sad that those who died are actually dying for CTA's greed and selfishness, nothing more. China had been investing in Tibet to raise the living standards of its citizens, the Chinese Tibetans. Many are encouraged to take up the skill training available and for the chance to own properties and businesses. It is only CTA is making China out to be the tyrant and themselves as victims. I think CTA should be answerable to causing these suicides and be persecuted.

A democratic government is elected by the people to work for the people. The boss is the people, not the government. However, the CTA does not run its so-called democratic government this way. They run their government like it is their family business, they disregard the welfare and the voice of the Tibetans. They only want to benefit themselves.

Not only they disregard the welfare of the Tibetans, they further exploit the Tibetans by encouraging them to self-immolate. They told the Tibetans it is a great honour to sacrifice their lives for free Tibet movement and they will be remembered. Many Tibetans in Tibet believe what the CTA says and they sacrifice their own lives.

These self-immolation cases are then used by the CTA to ask for donations from the west. This is so evil, the CTA manipulate the Tibetans to sacrifice their lives so their wallets continue to grow fatter! No government will want unnecessary sacrifice of lives, but the CTA seems to be quite happy to see more self-immolation cases.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Drolma on March 11, 2019, 10:46:16 AM
Lobsang Sangay and the CTA wants more self-immolation cases so they can earn sympathy from the west and continue to give them money. Unfortunately, I think the CTA and Lobsang Sangay cannot do this for long. This can be seen from the recent uprising anniversary event in India.

The people who participated in the uprising anniversary event were not a lot, the media only reported a huge crowd, not even reporting the estimated number. The countries that used to support the Tibet cause did not send any representative to attend the event. After giving money for the past 60 years with no result, anyone will cut their support.

The CTA is going to collapse very soon, they are losing support from their sponsors, they are going to lose the financial support. Who knows, India might also want them to stop pursuing the Tibet cause to choose to become a Indian citizen, to migrate or go back to Tibet. CTA will soon become a history, there will be no Free Tibet movement.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Tracy on March 19, 2019, 09:31:45 AM
Lobsang Sangay and the CTA wants more self-immolation cases so they can earn sympathy from the west and continue to give them money. Unfortunately, I think the CTA and Lobsang Sangay cannot do this for long. This can be seen from the recent uprising anniversary event in India.

The people who participated in the uprising anniversary event were not a lot, the media only reported a huge crowd, not even reporting the estimated number. The countries that used to support the Tibet cause did not send any representative to attend the event. After giving money for the past 60 years with no result, anyone will cut their support.

The CTA is going to collapse very soon, they are losing support from their sponsors, they are going to lose the financial support. Who knows, India might also want them to stop pursuing the Tibet cause to choose to become a Indian citizen, to migrate or go back to Tibet. CTA will soon become a history, there will be no Free Tibet movement.

The more self-immolation cases, the merrier Lobsang Sangay and the CTA are. They need more cases to make China looks bad and to ask for more money. They are murderers, they encourage Tibetans in Tibet to self-immolate by glorifying their action. They brainwash them into believing it is an honour to die for Tibet and the Dalai Lama.

However, with the decreasing number of Tibetans arriving in India, it might be a good indication that CTA is losing their influence in Tibet. Recently, China even brought a human right activist to visit Tibet, to show them how much progress China has brought to Tibetans. It is also to show that the Tibetans are not suppressed of their religion and culture.

With the decreasing number of Tibetans arriving in India from China and more Tibetans leaving the exile community, CTA will become redundant and eventually they will not be needed anymore. At the moment there are about 80,000 Tibetans in the exile community, it will definitely reduce even further as many have migrated overseas or become Indian citizens. Sooner or later, their sponsors will also stop giving them financial aids.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Alex on March 19, 2019, 12:03:10 PM
Soon the CTA will run out of Tibetans in exile to cheat, to brainwash and to control. It will just a matter of time until they will have to cease to exist because there will be no Tibetans to be governed in India. The Tibetans are the worst government that I have ever come across. Not only they had failed their people, they even dare to manipulate their own people into sacrificing their precious life for the government's benefit.

Now that China had opened their arms to welcome Tibetans to go back to Tibet, I sincerely hope that Tibetans will go back to Tibet which is much more advanced and developed now. They have a much brighter future there than being controlled by the Tibetan government in India. China is doing so much to help the Tibetans to get back on track via self-help courses and social aids.

Why would anyone want to stay in India and eventually forced to burn themselves to death just to raise awareness for a lost cause? Tibet is lost forever to China and the Tibetan government has totally no hope in getting it back since they wait for 60 years and still no real effort from them to get back Tibet. Tibetans should wake up and see the reality and leave CTA before they are being used and discarded by the government for their own benefit.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: dsnowlion on March 25, 2019, 03:02:00 AM
Soon the CTA will run out of Tibetans in exile to cheat, to brainwash and to control. It will just a matter of time until they will have to cease to exist because there will be no Tibetans to be governed in India. The Tibetans are the worst government that I have ever come across. Not only they had failed their people, they even dare to manipulate their own people into sacrificing their precious life for the government's benefit.

Now that China had opened their arms to welcome Tibetans to go back to Tibet, I sincerely hope that Tibetans will go back to Tibet which is much more advanced and developed now. They have a much brighter future there than being controlled by the Tibetan government in India. China is doing so much to help the Tibetans to get back on track via self-help courses and social aids.

Why would anyone want to stay in India and eventually forced to burn themselves to death just to raise awareness for a lost cause? Tibet is lost forever to China and the Tibetan government has totally no hope in getting it back since they wait for 60 years and still no real effort from them to get back Tibet. Tibetans should wake up and see the reality and leave CTA before they are being used and discarded by the government for their own benefit.


It has already started. Many Tibetans are now taking up citizenship with India... so that means they are no longer under CTA and CTA can no longer tell them what to do. They also do not need to pay CTA any taxes... yippie! Means CTA has not many people they can cheat, manipulate and step on for their own benefit! http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/the-dalai-lama-remains-a-refugee-but-his-people-will-not/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/the-dalai-lama-remains-a-refugee-but-his-people-will-not/)
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Rowntree on March 25, 2019, 03:44:22 AM
Instead of encouraging Tibetans to self-immolate, wouldn't it be smart for the CTA to encourage those 'heroes' to flee China and join the Tibetan schools in India? In that way, the CTA can continue to use that to show the patriotism of Tibetans and proof to the world that the Tibetan cause is still valid, and eventually get more donations for the schools? The CTA has somehow lost their bearings and wonder off their real intention which is to get as much money from the world as possible.

At the rate they are encouraging self-immolation, soon there will be more people attending meetings about students and eating momos than the students themselves. CTA is irrelevant.

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Himachal Tribune

Number of students declining in Tibetan schools

Reason: Low birth rate, emigration of Tibetan youths due to lack of opportunities & sharp decline in new arrivals from Tibet

Lalit Mohan

The number of students in Tibetan Children’s Village (TCV), an integrated charitable organisation run by the Tibetan government-in-exile, is decreasing. 

Tibetan Children’s Village, Central School for Tibetans (CST), Sambhota Tibetan Schools Society, Tibetan Homes Foundation and The Snow Lion Foundation are some schools run for the children of Tibetans-in-exile.

These schools focus on the preservation of Bhoti language and culture-in-exile. Earlier, children from Tibet and north-eastern states of India used to study at these schools.

Many foreign agencies used to sponsor the education of Tibetan children-in-exile. But now, the number of students in the Tibetan schools is decreasing. The reason cited for this decline is low birth rate, emigration of a large number of Tibetan youths and even the middle-aged due to severe lack of opportunities and sharp decline in new arrivals from Tibet. 

The Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) organised the seventh Tibetan General Conference on education to take up the challenges posed by the dwindling number of Tibetan students-in-exile.

The three-day conference was held from February 23 to February 25 at the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) Secretariat conference hall. 

An estimated 250 participants comprising principals, directors, teachers and counsellors from 76 Tibetan schools in Nepal and India reportedly attended the conference. Representatives from weekend schools from five countries in the west also participated.

The other agendas addressed were how to enhance the caliber of principals and headmasters, ways to improve the basic education policy for Tibetans-in-exile, while adding “secular ethics” to the policy and to change the existing outlook towards vocational education in schools.

CTA president Lobsang Sangay presided over at the inaugural ceremony of the conference as the chief guest, while the speaker of the Tibetan Parliament, the standing committee and other members of the exile administrations and heads of various autonomous bodies of the CTA were also present.

The general conference on education is the largest gathering of teachers and school administrators on the education policy of the Tibetans-in-exile community and is organised by the Department of Education, CTA, once in every five years.

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/himachal-tribune/number-of-students-declining-in-tibetan-schools/747230.html (https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/himachal-tribune/number-of-students-declining-in-tibetan-schools/747230.html)
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Tracy on March 25, 2019, 04:37:11 AM
Lobsang Sangay will continue to encourage the Tibetans to self-immolate so they can have a stronger case to complain about China and make China look bad. Lobsang Sangay needs to use the death cases to make his suffering stories look more real, self-immolation is perfect for that. Lobsang Sangay can use death cases to make money shows you how evil and greedy he is, life does not seem to be valuable to him. He cares about money more than anything else.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: dsnowlion on March 25, 2019, 04:42:23 AM
If Lobsang Sangay can produce books on self-immolation why don't he lead by example and go immolate himself?

Why doesn't he walk the talk if he really thinks it is patriotic to do so and endorses such books while he is in office?

He should do it too since good leaders lead by example! Then that would show his sincerity and perhaps even give him a 5-minute news headline. Sadly that is it!
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Alex on March 25, 2019, 04:43:55 AM
Lobsang Sangay will not stop the Tibetans from self-immolation because he can gain so much of benefit from it. When a Tibetan kills himself, it raised a lot of awareness internationally and many westerners will donate to the Tibetan government hoping that the funds will be able to help with their situation but sadly it will not. The funds will be gone before it even reaches the hands of fellow Tibetans.

Do you know that Lobsang Sangay even published a guideline on how to self-immolate which directly promotes self-immolation and encouraging Tibetans to kill themselves that way? How evil this man can be? He does not know the preciousness of human life and all he thinks about is how much of donation he can get out of each self-immolation incident. What a pity for the Tibetans to have a president that actually wants them to be miserable.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: daka on March 25, 2019, 05:02:41 AM
Forget about good leaders lead by example, this sentence never existed in Lobsang Sangay's life. If he really cares for his people, he will never own a US passport, he will never criticize China while at the same time telling the whole world the Dalai Lama wanting to go back Tibet, he will not trying to create problems between India and China...etc. It's good that the Tibetans started to see through his trick now.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Alex on March 28, 2019, 12:09:40 PM
Forget about good leaders lead by example, this sentence never existed in Lobsang Sangay's life. If he really cares for his people, he will never own a US passport, he will never criticize China while at the same time telling the whole world the Dalai Lama wanting to go back Tibet, he will not trying to create problems between India and China...etc. It's good that the Tibetans started to see through his trick now.

Everything that Lobsang Sangay does is to delay the return of Tibetans and His Holiness the Dalai Lama to Tibet. Why they can't see it? It is so obvious that he does not want Tibetans to return to Tibet. Recently, China has opened its doors for Tibetans to return to Tibet and it is their initiative to invite Tibetans to return to their motherland.

If Lobsang Sangay is sincere in wishing to send Tibetans back to Tibet, he could have urged fellow Tibetans to go back to Tibet and he would have even asked CTA to support them. Tibet is in a very good condition now with almost no poverty. Tibetans can have a very good life back in Tibet with many support provided by the Chinese government.

There are many self-help workshops and social aids provided by the Chinese government to help fellow Tibetans to get back on their feet and to build a new life for themselves. All of these is for the benefit of Tibetans and CTA should seize the opportunity to give Tibetans back the life that they deserve instead of couped up in the poverty-stricken Tibetan settlements.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Tracy on April 05, 2019, 07:40:25 PM
Lobsang Sangay is none other than a big hypocrite! He said one thing and do another. A very good example is the Middle Way approach of the Dalai Lama in the Free Tibet issue. The Dalai Lama wants the autonomous status for Tibet and wishes to go back to Tibet but Losang Sangay is not doing anything to fulfill the Dalai Lama's wish.

Up until today, Lobsang Sangay is still going around the world to condemn China and endorse the Free Tibet movement. He clearly is not supporting the Dalai Lama. By him getting an American passport it also shows that he didn't think Free Tibet movement is going to be successful. But this is a very selfish act. He has got hismself an Amarican passport, how about the Tibetan community in India? They are still stateless and the CTA makes it very difficult for them to get the Indian citizenship.

Lobsang Sangay has no empathy for the Tibetans. It is not easy to live the life of a refugee. They cannot travel around the world freely. But Lobsang Sangay has everything, he does not have to worry. He has a future but the Tibetans in India has nothing.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Drolma on April 11, 2019, 12:18:56 AM
Lobsang Sangay is none other than a big hypocrite! He said one thing and do another. A very good example is the Middle Way approach of the Dalai Lama in the Free Tibet issue. The Dalai Lama wants the autonomous status for Tibet and wishes to go back to Tibet but Losang Sangay is not doing anything to fulfill the Dalai Lama's wish.

Up until today, Lobsang Sangay is still going around the world to condemn China and endorse the Free Tibet movement. He clearly is not supporting the Dalai Lama. By him getting an American passport it also shows that he didn't think Free Tibet movement is going to be successful. But this is a very selfish act. He has got hismself an Amarican passport, how about the Tibetan community in India? They are still stateless and the CTA makes it very difficult for them to get the Indian citizenship.

Lobsang Sangay has no empathy for the Tibetans. It is not easy to live the life of a refugee. They cannot travel around the world freely. But Lobsang Sangay has everything, he does not have to worry. He has a future but the Tibetans in India has nothing.

Lobsang Sangay is not the only hypocrite, his cronies in the CTA are all hypocrites too. They like to talk, argue and debate over petty things in their parliament meeting but very seldom they produce positive results. What they have is only negative news.

No one knows exactly what the CTA wants to do or achieve in the next 5 years especially about the Tibet Cause and what will happen to the Tibetans in India if there is still no success on the Free Tibet movement. There is no timeline given and the CTA just expects the Tibetans to keep waiting until a miracle happens.

The CTA should accept the fact that they are not capable, they have failed terribly in the Tibet Cause. It is time they give a clear direction to the Tibetans and not to make them wait forever. There is still a chance for the CTA to turn things around if they still want the support from the Tibetans.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Alex on April 12, 2019, 10:11:04 PM
Lobsang Sangay is concentrating on the 5:50 plan that he came out and he said that he is not planning to stay in exile for 50 years but to plan for 50 years. It is just amazing on how he can try to fool Tibetans in exile into having hope for the Tibetan cause again. It has proven to the world that Lobsang Sangay cannot bring Tibetan cause into a reality.

Sixty years have passed, and the cause has no significant progress since then. Now Lobsang Sangay is proposing for the cause to be extended for another 50 years which is ridiculously long. After 50 years, most of the people who are alive now will be dead including him.

The 5:50 plan is Lobsang Sangay's grand plan to buy himself a few more years in the presidency and retire without doing anything. He can continue his fun going around the world talking bad about China without the pressure of Tibetan cause on his back since he has "postponed" it for another 50 years.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Tenzin K on April 20, 2019, 01:31:55 AM
Why the Tibetan leadership can keep allowing their fellow Tibetans to sacrifice themselves for nothing. After so many cases what is the end result? Does the situation change? .....obviously NO and why the Tibetan leadership didn't stop it?

Why the Tibetan leadership can go so hard to impose Shugden ban which does not bring any benefit at all but only suffering. Why the Tibetan leadership didn't use the same way how they band Shugden practice to stop self-immolation. Tibetan leadership should stop using self-immolation reasoning to get funding. This is really unethical and not necessary! Stop manipulating people's sentiment for money. Be a real leader to protect and fight for their people's welfare and their future!!!
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Alex on April 20, 2019, 04:49:51 PM
Why the Tibetan leadership can keep allowing their fellow Tibetans to sacrifice themselves for nothing. After so many cases what is the end result? Does the situation change? .....obviously NO and why the Tibetan leadership didn't stop it?

Why the Tibetan leadership can go so hard to impose Shugden ban which does not bring any benefit at all but only suffering. Why the Tibetan leadership didn't use the same way how they band Shugden practice to stop self-immolation. Tibetan leadership should stop using self-immolation reasoning to get funding. This is really unethical and not necessary! Stop manipulating people's sentiment for money. Be a real leader to protect and fight for their people's welfare and their future!!!

The Tibetan government are not real government in the first place. They do not even have a physical land. They exist due to the kindness of the Indian government for them to continue the pursuit of the independence of Tibet.

However, the leadership of the Tibetan government seems to forget what is their mission in India. Instead of focusing on how to get Tibet back, they focus on how to get more donation from the western countries and how to keep Tibetans locked up in the settlements. They create a lot of problems in the Tibetan community to keep them distracted from everyone's dream which is returning to a free Tibet.

Dorje Shugden ban is one of the problems that was created by the Tibetan government to justify their failure to lead Tibetans back to Tibet within the promised timeline. However, it is also the Tibetans' fault for not realising the agenda of their government and blindly followed them.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: dsnowlion on October 26, 2019, 08:56:34 AM
The Mayor of Taipei SAID IT and is not going to apologise for recognising that self-immolation is not a good way to commit suicide. No one should actually commit suicide period. But what a slap in Tibetans' faces and of course Dharamshala and CTA people are jumping up and down against this because they encouraged their people to burn themselves and take their own lives, as if burning yourself alive is a far better humane act and supports human rights, calling the Mayor statements as "unfathomable and outrageous".

I guess to the CTA calling for Tibetans to burn themselves alive is not unfathomable and outrageous. Since when asking people to take their lives to make a statement is a good thing? Which Buddha ever mentioned that committing suicide is ok? 

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Taipei Mayor calls self immolation of Tibetans “not a good way of committing suicide”, sparks uproar

DHARAMSHALA, Oct. 24: The mayor of Taipei city, the capital of Taiwan known for his controversial statements have attracted fresh uproar with his comments on the self-immolation of Tibetans in occupied Tibet.

During a city government meeting on Wednesday where the increasing number of self immolation in Taipei city was being discussed, Mayor Ko Wen-je made references to the self immolation cases in Tibet and said that such a suicide method is “trending”. “Self-immolation has been trending among the lamas in Tibet for a while, which has bothered the Chinese Communist government a great deal. [It is] not a good way to commit suicide”, he was quoted saying by the Taiwan News.

The comments that many said were insensitive and purported support for China’s repression on Tibetans that gave rise to the unprecedented string of self immolations by Tibetans over the years. Ko who was questioned a day later on his statements, refused to apologize and asserted his distaste for the form of protest.

Tashi Tsering, the Tibetan chairperson of the Taipei-based Human Rights Network for Tibet and Taiwan, said Ko’s remarks are “unfathomable and outrageous.” He told TN that Ko is ignoring the suffering of the people in Tibet, Xinjiang, and even Hong Kong that are facing China’s authoritarian regime.

A Taiwanese activist Penghsuan Lee said the Mayor owed an apology to the self immolators and the people whose sentiments were hurt by his statement. She wrote on her Facebook, “Mayor Ko, you ignore the unspeakable suffering behind the Taiwanese people who choose to kill themselves. The Tibetan people were oppressed for 60 years, and more than 150 people chose to show their death to China as a form of protest.

You're not telling the truth. You are not only lying by using a biased framework, and one-sided explanation of the incident of Tibetan Self-immolators. You are self-righteous and lack empathy. It's not a matter of context or one-sided interpretation, but the appearance of the hypocrisy and disrespect for human rights and justice.”

Mayor Ko has attracted further disdain from the public for further adding that those who wish to commit suicide can overdose on sleeping pills instead of self-immolating.

Tibetans inside occupied Tibet as well as in exile have committed self-immolation as a form of protest against China’s occupation, its repressive policies since 2008 (Thupten Ngodup) in India and 2009 (Tapey) in Tibet. The toll has crossed the unprecedented toll of 160.

Source: [url]http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=41881&article=Taipei+Mayor+calls+self+immolation+of+Tibetans+%e2%80%9cnot+a+good+way+of+committing+suicide%e2%80%9d%2c+sparks+uproar[/url] ([url]http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=41881&article=Taipei+Mayor+calls+self+immolation+of+Tibetans+%e2%80%9cnot+a+good+way+of+committing+suicide%e2%80%9d%2c+sparks+uproar[/url])
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: dsnowlion on October 26, 2019, 09:03:23 AM
The Mayor of Taipei SAID IT and is not going to apologise for recognising that self-immolation is not a good way to commit suicide. No one should actually commit suicide period. But what a slap in Tibetans' faces and of course Dharamshala and CTA people are jumping up and down against this because they encouraged their people to burn themselves and take their own lives, as if burning yourself alive is a far better humane act and supports human rights, calling the Mayor statements as "unfathomable and outrageous".

I guess to the CTA calling for Tibetans to burn themselves alive is not unfathomable and outrageous. Since when asking people to take their lives to make a statement is a good thing? Which Buddha ever mentioned that committing suicide is ok? 

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Taipei Mayor calls self immolation of Tibetans “not a good way of committing suicide”, sparks uproar

DHARAMSHALA, Oct. 24: The mayor of Taipei city, the capital of Taiwan known for his controversial statements have attracted fresh uproar with his comments on the self-immolation of Tibetans in occupied Tibet.

During a city government meeting on Wednesday where the increasing number of self immolation in Taipei city was being discussed, Mayor Ko Wen-je made references to the self immolation cases in Tibet and said that such a suicide method is “trending”. “Self-immolation has been trending among the lamas in Tibet for a while, which has bothered the Chinese Communist government a great deal. [It is] not a good way to commit suicide”, he was quoted saying by the Taiwan News.

The comments that many said were insensitive and purported support for China’s repression on Tibetans that gave rise to the unprecedented string of self immolations by Tibetans over the years. Ko who was questioned a day later on his statements, refused to apologize and asserted his distaste for the form of protest.

Tashi Tsering, the Tibetan chairperson of the Taipei-based Human Rights Network for Tibet and Taiwan, said Ko’s remarks are “unfathomable and outrageous.” He told TN that Ko is ignoring the suffering of the people in Tibet, Xinjiang, and even Hong Kong that are facing China’s authoritarian regime.

A Taiwanese activist Penghsuan Lee said the Mayor owed an apology to the self immolators and the people whose sentiments were hurt by his statement. She wrote on her Facebook, “Mayor Ko, you ignore the unspeakable suffering behind the Taiwanese people who choose to kill themselves. The Tibetan people were oppressed for 60 years, and more than 150 people chose to show their death to China as a form of protest.

You're not telling the truth. You are not only lying by using a biased framework, and one-sided explanation of the incident of Tibetan Self-immolators. You are self-righteous and lack empathy. It's not a matter of context or one-sided interpretation, but the appearance of the hypocrisy and disrespect for human rights and justice.”

Mayor Ko has attracted further disdain from the public for further adding that those who wish to commit suicide can overdose on sleeping pills instead of self-immolating.

Tibetans inside occupied Tibet as well as in exile have committed self-immolation as a form of protest against China’s occupation, its repressive policies since 2008 (Thupten Ngodup) in India and 2009 (Tapey) in Tibet. The toll has crossed the unprecedented toll of 160.

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This CTA are really leading their people to the three lower realms... UNBELIEVABE. Educated Tibetans better wake up, step up, speak up and make a change. If Tibetans keep taking their own lives then what's the point is fighting to preserve the Tibetan culture when all the Tibetans are dead? C'mon people THINK, don't just follow CTA's stupid advice BLINDLY. They are not Buddhas and humans who are tainted with greed, power and money - the 3 poisons. And I am sure NO GOOD LAMAS are encouraging this, or is there? Oh my Buddha, if there is, it would be a HUGE SHAME, what has Tibetan Buddhism degenerated to? This is so sad to hear...
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Drolma on October 27, 2019, 06:36:41 AM
I just don't understand how people can glorify self-immolation and further encourage people to do it. There are many ways to create awareness of the sufferings people are going through, self-immolation definitely is not one of them.

Ghandi and Mandela did not free their countries by committing suicide, they use a very peaceful way to make their voices heard. Their ways are the real non-violent methods. The CTA only wants to create trouble for China, to disturb the stability of the society.

While people want to take pity on those who have sacrificed their lives, they should also discourage people from doing that. Self-immolation is not necessary, it brings no benefits to the cause.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Tracy on October 28, 2019, 06:08:27 AM
I just don't understand how people can glorify self-immolation and further encourage people to do it. There are many ways to create awareness of the sufferings people are going through, self-immolation definitely is not one of them.

Ghandi and Mandela did not free their countries by committing suicide, they use a very peaceful way to make their voices heard. Their ways are the real non-violent methods. The CTA only wants to create trouble for China, to disturb the stability of the society.

While people want to take pity on those who have sacrificed their lives, they should also discourage people from doing that. Self-immolation is not necessary, it brings no benefits to the cause.

There is a reason the CTA and Lobsang Sangay encourage Tibetans to self-immolate. The CTA and Lobsang Sangay just want to create troubles to China. Apart from that, they also need to create more tragedies to victimise themselves in order to get more sympathy and donation from people.

The CTA and Lobsang Sangay are only after money and power. For the past 60 years, they have been receiving free money from the sponsors. They don't have to work hard for anything, all they need to do is to make themselves pitiful.

Hence, self-immolation becomes a tool for the CTA and Lobsang Sangay to achieve their selfish agenda. The real victims are the Tibetans who are stateless.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Ngawang on October 28, 2019, 06:29:35 AM
I just don't understand how people can glorify self-immolation and further encourage people to do it. There are many ways to create awareness of the sufferings people are going through, self-immolation definitely is not one of them.

Ghandi and Mandela did not free their countries by committing suicide, they use a very peaceful way to make their voices heard. Their ways are the real non-violent methods. The CTA only wants to create trouble for China, to disturb the stability of the society.

While people want to take pity on those who have sacrificed their lives, they should also discourage people from doing that. Self-immolation is not necessary, it brings no benefits to the cause.

There is a reason the CTA and Lobsang Sangay encourage Tibetans to self-immolate. The CTA and Lobsang Sangay just want to create troubles to China. Apart from that, they also need to create more tragedies to victimise themselves in order to get more sympathy and donation from people.

The CTA and Lobsang Sangay are only after money and power. For the past 60 years, they have been receiving free money from the sponsors. They don't have to work hard for anything, all they need to do is to make themselves pitiful.

Hence, self-immolation becomes a tool for the CTA and Lobsang Sangay to achieve their selfish agenda. The real victims are the Tibetans who are stateless.

It is unimaginable that CTA is willing to use their own people as a sacrifice to get more money for themselves. The government is supposed to protect their own people and not use them as pawns. No wonder all Tibetans are still suffering in Tibetans settlements in India. After 60 years of assistance from countries all over the world, they are still living in poverty selling sweaters.

CTA received so many donations but yet their people are still suffering. Where did all the funds go? Meanwhile, most of Tibetan leadership has two passports and properties in other countries. It is obvious that Tibetans are not going to go back to Tibet anytime soon under CTA.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Drolma on November 08, 2019, 11:37:50 AM

It is unimaginable that CTA is willing to use their own people as a sacrifice to get more money for themselves. The government is supposed to protect their own people and not use them as pawns. No wonder all Tibetans are still suffering in Tibetans settlements in India. After 60 years of assistance from countries all over the world, they are still living in poverty selling sweaters.

CTA received so many donations but yet their people are still suffering. Where did all the funds go? Meanwhile, most of Tibetan leadership has two passports and properties in other countries. It is obvious that Tibetans are not going to go back to Tibet anytime soon under CTA.
The CTA will not disclose to the public how they use the money sponsors have been giving to them. If they have used the money appropriately, there should be some progress in the Tibet cause, but there isn't. They use the money to do things that separate the Tibetan community, for examples, printing books and releasing videos that lie about Dorje Shugden. Apart from that, they also used the money to print guides on how to self-immolate! The things that they do with the money don't bring benefits to the Tibetans but further separate the Tibetans apart.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- please stop your Tibetan from self-immolation & NOT ENCOURAGE
Post by: Tracy on November 10, 2019, 06:32:49 AM
How can the CTA encourage people to self-immolate? The CTA promotes self-immolation as an honourable action. A memorial will be built for self-immolator. Why sacrifice a life? There really is no need to do that. There are many ways to create awareness of Tibet issue in the world, but self-immolation is not one of them. After 151 self-immolation cases, what did the CTA achieve? More support from other countries? This is not the case, if it is, how come more and more countries announce that they are not supporting the CTA anymore? If they want to create awareness on the Tibet issue, perhaps learn it from PETA organisation. PETA is very success in creating animal cruelty worldwide. None of PETA's campaign involves sacrificing lives.