Author Topic: Will women be ordained as Bhikshuni or Gelongma in Tibetan Buddhism?  (Read 7771 times)

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In Tibetan Buddhism, women only given a lower level of ordination as novice nuns i.e. as 'Getsulmas' or  'Shramanerikas' in Sanskrit. Till today, women are not given the opportunity to take the highest level of ordination of Bhikshuni or Gelongma ordination.

This is very uniquely Tibetan Buddhism issue because other Buddhist traditions of Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese, as well as the recently re-established Sri Lanka Theravada Buddhist tradition, are giving full ordination for women.

Why is Tibetan Buddhism still lag behind in this issue considering that the order of Buddhist nuns was created by Buddha Shakyamuni himself?

Will Tibetan Buddhist leaders the full ordination for women?

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Re: Will women be ordained as Bhikshuni or Gelongma in Tibetan Buddhism?
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2013, 06:39:04 PM »
Very interesting point. Actually I too have always wondered why WOMEN are not given full ordination as monks would.

I was infact totally confused about it... especially when there are tulkus that have been recognized to have reincarnated into a women's body and also take for example Kadro-la who is one of the oracles that HHDL consults.

Another thing that made me feel weird that women are not given equal treatment and opportunity for study is that I've read about great woman practitioners that give great signs of realizations and accomplishments from their practice.

In the light of that... I believe the fact that women are not given full ordination in Tibetan Buddhism, not because of the lack of capability. But I think there's a deeper meaning behind it, and I want to know why. Hope someone has an answer to this question.

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Re: Will women be ordained as Bhikshuni or Gelongma in Tibetan Buddhism?
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2013, 03:26:29 AM »
This is very interesting and I did a little google search and I found out that the lineage of female monastics was lost in Tibet. Due to the encouragement of the 14th Dalai Lama, they managed to reinstate nun ordination in the Tibetan tradition. However, because the tradition is lost and according to the Vinaya, a full nun ordination require the participation of 10 fully ordained nuns. Therefore, all fully ordained nuns have to be ordained via another living tradition like those from Vietnam. Great nuns like Thubten Chodron received her ordination from another tradition in order to become a fully ordained nun. Thank you for pointing that out or I wouldn't have known this and I am glad that there are initiatives to revive and proliferate full ordination of nuns 

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Re: Will women be ordained as Bhikshuni or Gelongma in Tibetan Buddhism?
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2013, 04:28:08 PM »
Very interesting and good question! And I didnt even know that there is a difference. I always thought that the monks and nuns have the same status. Come to think of it, I have not heard of any woman reincarnated as tulku, how silly of me. Wow big uncle! Thank you for googling. I'd also be interested to know why Tibetan Buddhism is slow in this.

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Re: Will women be ordained as Bhikshuni or Gelongma in Tibetan Buddhism?
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2013, 04:37:03 PM »
Thank you Big Uncle for sharing this very useful piece of information. I am glad to know that there are measures to be taken regarding this issue. As a Buddhist we should walk the talk and be an example for others, as we always claim to be more compassion, love, forgiving and tolerance. If we all claim to be that way why shouldn't we practice equality towards our counterpart which is a female. Everyone should have the equal chance to be with Dharma, more so if the order of nuns were created by the Buddha Himself. It is the same as we claim to be a Buddhist and chanting holy prayers daily but during dinner we encourage killing by ordering meat.

Should walk the talk.

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Re: Will women be ordained as Bhikshuni or Gelongma in Tibetan Buddhism?
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2013, 02:31:00 PM »

Press Release: Dalai Lama Announces “Full Support” for Introduction of Full Ordination for Women in Tibetan Buddhism
Indicates First Steps Towards That Goal During Groundbreaking Congress in Hamburg

(July 22, 2007, Hamburg) – His Holiness the Fourteenth Dalai Lama expressed “full support” for the establishment of full ordination for women in the Tibetan tradition during a history-making conference at the University of Hamburg in Germany last week. His Holiness further indicated concrete measures that can be taken towards accomplishing that aim.

The statement came at the conclusion of the International Congress on Buddhist Women, convened at his request to examine the possibility of instating full ordination for women in Tibetan Buddhism. The congress brought together specialists in monastic codes from Buddhist communities from over 19 countries, and marked the culmination of some 30 years of research into the possibility of establishing full female ordination in the Tibetan tradition. Along with the statement from the Dalai Lama, the congress resulted in the expression of overwhelming support from a large delegation of monastic specialists and senior members of the international Buddhist monastic community.

His Holiness the Dalai Lama was an active participant in a panel of experts in monastic code from all major Buddhist countries. The panel offered its resounding support for the Tibetan initiative, urged immediate action and suggested possible methods for granting Tibetan women the same opportunities as are available to Tibetan men.

The groundbreaking congress, held from July 18 through 20, elicited tremendous interest, with nearly 400 people participating on July 18 and 19, and a total of 1,200 people attending to hear the final outcome on July 20.

Venerable Bhikshuni Jampa Tsedroen (Carola Roloff), co-organizer of the congress, said, “We are deeply gratified by His Holiness’ unflinching commitment to equal spiritual opportunities for women in Tibetan Buddhism. For the first time ever, we have an indication where the road ahead lies for women in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition seeking full ordination.”

Formal Statement of Support Issued

In a formal statement issued at the close of the congress, His Holiness the Dalai Lama affirmed, “The four-fold Buddhist community (of [fully ordained monks], [fully ordained nuns], [male lay followers] and [female lay followers]) is incomplete in the Tibetan tradition. If we can introduce the [full ordination for women], that would be excellent in order to have the four-fold Buddhist community complete…”

“Given that women are fully capable of achieving the ultimate goal of the Buddha’s teachings, in harmony with the spirit of the modern age, the means and opportunity to achieve this goal should be completely accessible to them…”

“On the basis of the above considerations, and after extensive research and consultation with leading vinaya [monastic code] scholars and Sangha [monastic community] members of the Tibetan tradition and Buddhist traditions internationally, and with the backing of the Tibetan Buddhist community, since 1960s, I express my full support for the establishment of the Bhikshuni Sangha [or community of fully ordained women] in the Tibetan tradition.”

Practical Measures Outlined; Conference to Take Place in India This Winter

During a follow-up meeting held on the morning of July 21 with congress participants, His Holiness the Dalai Lama provided further details of the road ahead towards establishing full ordination for women. Among those was a conference to take place this winter in India where senior Tibetan monks can meet with senior members of the other Buddhist monastic orders worldwide.

This conference is crucial to allow the initiative to move forward in the direction proposed by His Holiness in Hamburg, since no single individual has the right to revamp ordination practices or to make changes to the monastic code in Tibetan Buddhism. Rather, decisions regarding community-wide matters should be reach through broad consensus within the monastic community. The conference this coming winter will provide a forum where community-wide discussions can be conducted, and such a consensus may be reached.

Full ordination for women is currently available in Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese Buddhism, through a monastic lineage called Dharmaguptaka. The Dharmaguptaka nuns’ lineage should now be “Tibetanized,” His Holiness said. To that end, he called for the translation of the main texts of the Dharmaguptaka lineage from Chinese into Tibetan language. He further asked nuns already fully ordained in that lineage who practice Tibetan Buddhism to gather in India to perform the monastic rituals of the Dharmaguptaka nuns’ lineage in the Tibetan language.

Additionally, His Holiness made an unequivocal statement that women who have already gone to that lineage for full ordination but who practice within Tibetan Buddhism are accepted as an integral part of Tibetan Buddhism.

Bhikshuni Jampa Tsedroen (Carola Roloff) said, “His Holiness’ unconditional acceptance of the Dharmaguptaka bhikshuni lineage as a valid ordination helps clear the way forward for Tibetan women who have considered receiving their full ordination from that lineage, and for that ordination to be introduced into Tibetan Buddhism.”

Full text of the statement by His Holiness the Dalai Lama can be found at www.congress-on-buddhist-women.org/index.php. Proceedings of the congress will be published as a book and made available from Wisdom Publications next year.

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Re: Will women be ordained as Bhikshuni or Gelongma in Tibetan Buddhism?
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2013, 02:40:46 PM »
A classic case is Ven. Ani Tenzin Palmo. At twenty-one, in 1964, she received her novice ordination. In 1973, she received full Bhikshuni ordination in Hong Kong, because in the Tibetan tradition, there is no Bhikshuni lineage. When she returned to India after some years in Italy, she was asked to start a nunnery. At that time, in Lahaul, when the monks were performing pujas, the nuns were usually in the kitchen doing the cooking etc.
There was no opportunity for them to receive education or practice the more profound teachings.

Ven. Tenzin Palmo raised funds to build a nunnery designed for girls from the Himalayan region such as Tibet, Ladakh, Nepal, Kinnaur, Spiti and so forth. Traditionally, nuns in these areas had little education, although in Tibet itself, nuns often became good practitioners. In the border regions, the nuns were little better than unpaid servants for their families or the monasteries.

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Re: Will women be ordained as Bhikshuni or Gelongma in Tibetan Buddhism?
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2015, 10:12:40 AM »
Informative read for women who aspire to be in the monastic order.  Historically women can become highly attained through practice, however for them to teach the Dharma is another thing. 

This sad news can be due to the lack of basic education, however the situation is changing due great nuns like Tenzin Palmo who is building nunneries and supported by the Dalai Lama.