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Reincarnation proven by science?
« on: October 10, 2012, 04:14:52 PM »
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This is a very interesting video, the 'proof' or cases of reincarnation as presented by Dr. Walter Semkiw. It is not from a Buddhist's point of view.

The video below also showing the 'proof' of reincarnation, in exeption of one case, the one that showed Michael Jackson as reincarnation of an Egyptian based on the 3,000 year-old bust. Why? Well as we know, that MJ 'face' showed in the photo is not the face that he was born with, it was a new face 'born' from his numerous plastic surgery operations...  ;)

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What do you think? Are these 'cases' convincing enough to prove the theory of incarnation?

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Re: Reincarnation proven by science?
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2012, 01:46:26 PM »
On the other hand, most of those who do believe in a just God base their faith on belief only and have no scientific proof to offer the unbelievers. They do not dare, for the most part, to scrutinize or deeply question their faith, for fear of losing it or of starting some social inharmony. They are not aware, in other words, of the existence of a scientific spiritual law which can prove their beliefs to be truth.

But why should not methods of experimentation used by the material scientist to discover physical truths be applied in investigating spiritual law? This question was asked centuries ago by the Hindu savants, and they set about the task of answering it. Their experiments resulted in scientific methods, which can be followed by anyone, to discover the reality of spiritual law, and hence of reincarnation and many of the other great cosmic truths.

Since this method does exist, no one has the right to say reincarnation and other spiritual laws do not operate until he has tried the method and seen the result for himself. A scientist is, of course, privileged to express his opinion, but it remains an opinion only and not a fact. In physical science, certain methods must be adopted and followed in order to prove the truth of any given theory. To the naked eye, certain germs are not visible. One must use a microscope to detect the presence of the germs. If a person refuses to look through the microscope, he cannot be said to have scientifically tested the theory that germs were present. His opinion is, therefore, valueless, since he had not followed the prescribed rules for arriving at the truth of the theory. So it is in spiritual things. The method has been discovered, the rules laid down, and the result is open to anyone who is interested enough to experiment. In the Western world, due to the lack of this scientific approach to spiritual law, the value of religion has been greatly diminished as a living factor in the life of man, and spiritual doctrines are believed in or rejected simply on the ground of personal bias rather than as a result of scientific investigation.

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Re: Reincarnation proven by science?
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2012, 04:22:39 PM »
"If German people, 70 years ago knew that you could be born Jewish in one lifetime and Christian in another, I'd like to make a point then... the Holocaust could never have happened. And in some way if now, Israelis knew that they could be born Palestinian and vice versa, Shiites knew that they could be reborn Sunni and vice versa then all these conflicts would stop. Basically, war is based on the premise that your enemy is somebody different, they are different than you."

I extracted the above from the video and I thought this was so pertinent. Whether or not you chose to accept a doctrine of reincarnation depends primarily on personal experience. But the impact of accepting such a doctrine has a profound impact on how you live your life. If only everybody truly believed in this phenomena of life, everybody would view life very differently and our actions because of it would be vastly different. Because in truly eliminating "difference" we eliminate the cause of segregation/separation and thus taking wrong views or negative views towards another person/being and throwing it to the wind.

Whether or not you have had a personal experience that makes it real, however, you could still choose to accept a belief in reincarnation. Most of the world's major religions hold just such a belief, in fact. This essay assesses the impact of that belief on individual behavior... or at least alludes to the impact that such a belief should have on anyone who considers the question carefully.

One possible impact is so totally personal (i.e. selfish) as to be worth mentioning, if only to rapidly discard it. That is the "I better act good so as not to become a snake/pig/cow/bug" motivation. That motivation is so fundamentally selfish as to be almost devoid of spiritual content. Of course, it is a good thing to be a good person. But would we have known or cared how good a man Jesus of Nazareth was, if he had not done good for others? No. It is the impact he had on humanity that raises him to such high esteem in our lives. Similarly, it is how a belief in reincarnation leads us to act towards others (for other than purely selfish reasons) that makes it such a beneficial doctrine.

The interesting thing about a belief in reincarnation is that you know you are coming back, but you don't know where you are coming back. You might come back in some other country. You might come back in the lower rungs of society. You might come back virtually anywhere. In fact you might even come back as the bug that you so want to squash!

Given that is the case, the question is: What kind of legacy do you want to leave yourself?

The fact is, given that belief, you need to make the best possible world you can, anywhere you find yourself!! You don't want any segment of society to be too disadvantaged... you may find yourself there next! You don't want people to be unhappy, or miserable, or beating up on their families, because you may become part of that family. You don't want social injustice anywhere in the world, because you may be part of the downtrodden minority the next time around. And you particularly don't want to screw up the environment, because you yourself may have to deal with the aftermath.

Basically, a belief in reincarnation makes you a "universal citizen". It's a lot like living prudently today, so you'll have a good retirement tomorrow. You make the best investments you can in hopes of reaping the rewards later on. And oh, by the way, you tend to make life better for a lot of people along the way... whether it is by making grand policy decisions that help to keep the wealth from concentrating in a few hands, or by making the world a little better here and there, by picking up a little litter now and again, or brightening someone's day whenever you can, so they go into the world a little less frustrated than they might have been.

Of course, this too is a "selfish" motivation, in a sense. But it is a more "enlightened" selfishness that seeks to give up some local, personal good for a larger benefit to humanity. That kind of action is what we all admire in a "spiritual" personage. It is the kind of action which, along with a little reflection, is motivated by a belief in reincarnation.

Here is another interesting video on reincarnation:

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Re: Reincarnation proven by science?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2012, 04:30:29 PM »
Thank you PC for this reply.
Reincarnation as a foundation for peace....
This may even eventually lead to a world without re-incarnation alltogether, and enlightened world...
I especially like your reference stating that reincarnation makes you a "universal citizen".

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Re: Reincarnation proven by science?
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2012, 07:01:25 PM »
If one believes in the existence of a just God, then a belief in reincarnation can follow very readily, as the two beliefs are really dependent, one on the other. But what about the skeptics and the atheists? Can the truth of reincarnation be scientifically proven to their satisfaction? Can the theory of reincarnation be in any way scientifically experimented upon so as to furnish not only hope but actual proof of its reality?

Material scientists claim that they have not found any actual proof of the existence of a God, and hence cannot offer any proof of the existence of His just law, giving equal opportunity to all life to improve through reincarnation. To such scientists, the sufferings of innocent babies, and other inequalities of life, seem inexplicable and point to the absence of any just God.

Scientific Law

On the other hand, most of those who do believe in a just God base their faith on belief only and have no scientific proof to offer the unbelievers. They do not dare, for the most part, to scrutinize or deeply question their faith, for fear of losing it or of starting some social inharmony. They are not aware, in other words, of the existence of a scientific spiritual law which can prove their beliefs to be truth.

But why should not methods of experimentation used by the material scientist to discover physical truths be applied in investigating spiritual law? This question was asked centuries ago by the Hindu savants, and they set about the task of answering it. Their experiments resulted in scientific methods, which can be followed by anyone, to discover the reality of spiritual law, and hence of reincarnation and many of the other great cosmic truths.

Since this method does exist, no one has the right to say reincarnation and other spiritual laws do not operate until he has tried the method and seen the result for himself. A scientist is, of course, privileged to express his opinion, but it remains an opinion only and not a fact. In physical science, certain methods must be adopted and followed in order to prove the truth of any given theory. To the naked eye, certain germs are not visible. One must use a microscope to detect the presence of the germs. If a person refuses to look through the microscope, he cannot be said to have scientifically tested the theory that germs were present. His opinion is, therefore, valueless, since he had not followed the prescribed rules for arriving at the truth of the theory. So it is in spiritual things. The method has been discovered, the rules laid down, and the result is open to anyone who is interested enough to experiment. In the Western world, due to the lack of this scientific approach to spiritual law, the value of religion has been greatly diminished as a living factor in the life of man, and spiritual doctrines are believed in or rejected simply on the ground of personal bias rather than as a result of scientific investigation.

How Discovered?

How did the Master Minds of ancient India discover these unalterable cosmic laws? Through experiments on the life and thought of man, in the laboratories of their hermitages. To find the truth of physical things, we must experiment upon physical substances. So, to find the truth of reincarnation, or the passage of an identical soul through many bodies, it is necessary to experiment upon the consciousness of man. These scientists of old found that the human ego outlasts all the changes of experience and thought during the state of wakefulness, of dream, and of deep sleep during the lifetime. The experience changed, the environment, sensations, thoughts, and bodily states changed, but the sense of identity, of "I" did not change from birth to death. Hence, the Hindu experimenters argued that through concentration the ego, through a constant, conscious, aloof, unidentified introspection or watching of the various changing states of life–of wakefulness, dreaming, or deep sleep–that one could perceive the changeless and eternal nature of the ego. Ordinarily, one is conscious of his waking state and even sometimes of his dreaming state. Often people are aware that they are dreaming. Even in their dream, they know that they are dreaming. So, through certain methods and practices, one can come to be aware of every state: of sleep, dream, or dreamless "deep sleep."

Relaxation in Sleep

During sleep, there is involuntary relaxation of energy from the motor and sensory nerves. Through practice, one can produce this relaxation during the waking state also, at will. In the Big Sleep of Death, there is still further relaxation–the retirement of energy from the heart and cerebro-spinal axis. But by certain practices, this further relaxation may be produced consciously in the waking state. In other words, every involuntary function may be accomplished voluntarily and consciously by practice.

Ancient Hindus found that death was the withdrawal of the electricity of life from the bulb of human flesh containing the wires of sensory and motor nerves to the different channels of outward expression.. Just as electricity does not die when it is withdrawn from a broken bulb, so Life Energy is not annihilated when it retires from the involuntary nerves. Energy cannot die. It withdraws, upon the occasion of death, to the Cosmic Energy.

Current Withdrawn

In sleep, the conscious mind ceases to operate–the current is temporarily withdrawn from the nerves; and in death, the human consciousness ceases to express through the body permanently. It is as though one had a paralyzed arm–one is mentally conscious of that arm, but cannot function through it. Medical records tell of the case of a clergyman who once fell into a state of coma (suspended animation). He heard everyone around bewailing his apparent death, but he could not express his awareness through his physical organs. His body motor had "stalled" and refused to respond to his mental commands. At last, when his friends were about to take him to be embalmed, he made a supreme effort and was able to move, after 24 hours of complete apparent death. This instance illustrates the constancy of the awareness of "I-ness", or personal identity, even though the body is seemingly dead.

The Hindu teachers stated that one must learn to separate the energy and consciousness from the body, consciously. One must consciously watch the state of sleep and must practice the voluntary withdrawal of energy consciously from the heart and spinal regions. Thus he learns to do consciously what death will otherwise force upon him unconsciously and unwillingly.

An Amazing Case

There is a case on record in the files of French and other European doctors of a man named Sadhu Haridas, in the court of Emperor Ranjit Singh, of India, who was able to separate his energy and consciousness from his body and then connect the two together again after several months. His body was buried underground and watch was kept over the spot, day and night, for months. At the end of this time, his body was dug up and examined by the European doctors, who pronounce him dead; but after a few minutes he opened his eyes and regained control over all the functions of his body and lived for many years more. He had simply learned, by practice, how to control all the involuntary functions of his body and mind. He was a spiritual scientist who experimented with prescribed methods for learning the truth of cosmic law; and, as a result, he was in a position to demonstrate the truth of the theory of the changelessness of personal identity and the eternal nature of the life principle.

Those who would know the scientific truth of the doctrine of reincarnation must follow the rules laid down many centuries ago by Hindu savants and must learn to (1) be conscious during sleep; (2) be able to produce dreams at will; (3) disconnect themselves consciously, not passively as during sleep, from the five senses; and (4) control the action of the heart, that is, experience conscious death, or suspended animation. This is the art of separating the soul from the body.

Follow the Practices

By following the practices which lead to the above results, we can follow the ego in all states of existence–we can follow it consciously through death, through space, to other bodies or other worlds. Those who do not learn these things cannot retain their sense of personal identity, of awareness or consciousness, during the big sleep of death, and hence cannot remember any previous state, or even the "deep sleep" states during one life.

By adopting the methods of the ancient Hindu scientists who experimented with such laws and who thereby gave the world a knowledge that is priceless and demonstrable, one may come to know the scientific truth of reincarnation and all other eternal verities.