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Why are they not doing all this and still keeping images and teachings of Lama Yeshe? Anyone has an answer?

Logically speaking, according to anti-Shugden people's logic, both founders of FMPT are not qualified to pass down any lineage teachings as both are corrupted.

Lama Yeshe is a strong Dorje Shugden practitioner throughout his life. Whatever teachings that transmitted by him should be regarded as invalid. Hence, as a student of Lama Yeshe, Lama Zopa's teachings are also corrupted. All FPMT's teachings are corrupted.

Lama Zopa was recognized by Dorje Shugden. If Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit, then shouldn't we think that whoever being recognized by Him is also the wrong candidate? Then who is Lama Zopa? A reincarnated lama who was recognized by Dorje Shugden? A student of a Dorje Shugden practitioner?

Where do all FPMT teachings come from? Are they still valid if both of their founders are corrupted in the beginning?

So by keeping Lama Yeshe's statue on their shrine, it's either FMPT is trying to hide the truth, hoping that no one will figure out the logic, or they themselves are naive to the logic itself. Either by hiding the truth or being naive, they are not qualified to pass down any lineage teachings, as one is lying, and another one is incapable.

You got that right. FPMT's entire lineage comes from Lama Yeshe who practice Dorje Shugden practice strongly which FPMT now labeled it as demon practice. Any other practices from Lama Yeshe should be automatically categorized as a demon practice. It is impossible for true Buddhist to accept practices from a demon practitioner no matter how authentic they may sound because the lineage is not there and the blessings of the Buddha is absent due to the breach in the Refuge Vow.

It is not logical for FPMT to give up Dorje Shugden practice but still practice other practices from Lama Yeshe. They cannot be selective on the teachings that the Guru gives. On the other hand, when they condemn Dorje Shugden practice is a demonic practice, they are indirectly saying their Guru is a demon practitioner. How can they still practice any other practices that are given by a demon practitioner?

Even if they say Lama Yeshe is a true Buddhist and he made a mistake in praying to Dorje Shugden and hence they can just ignore the practice and continue with the other practices that they deem authentic. In Tibetan Buddhism, if we are to give up a practice that our Guru gave us, we have to seek permission from the Guru that gave the practice to us to stop the practice. Since Lama Yeshe had passed away when they gave up Dorje Shugden practice, they would have broken their samaya with Lama Yeshe. A broken samaya means whatever spiritual practices that they engage in the future, attainments will not arise. Hence, all FPMT activities will have no blessings from the Guru and no attainmetns will arise.


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It is not logical for FPMT to give up Dorje Shugden practice but still practice other practices from Lama Yeshe. They cannot be selective on the teachings that the Guru gives. On the other hand, when they condemn Dorje Shugden practice is a demonic practice, they are indirectly saying their Guru is a demon practitioner. How can they still practice any other practices that are given by a demon practitioner?

Agree with what you said Alex. How is it possible that the Lamas can make a mistake practising and spreading a demonic practice can also be spreading Buddha's teachings? Somehow FPMT does not get this part. That's because they are doing all this for political reasons.

No religion that is true and good would ever discriminate anyone. What FPMT does is not Buddhist and totally hypocritical. Their discrimination makes them undharmic and all this will eventually come back to them. I guess it has already begun when Lama Osel disrobed and now heading nowhere and is a nobody and Lama Zopa had a stroke. When will they wake up and mend their samaya? Is this the beginning of the end for FPMT? A slow death?

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It is not logical for FPMT to give up Dorje Shugden practice but still practice other practices from Lama Yeshe. They cannot be selective on the teachings that the Guru gives. On the other hand, when they condemn Dorje Shugden practice is a demonic practice, they are indirectly saying their Guru is a demon practitioner. How can they still practice any other practices that are given by a demon practitioner?

Agree with what you said Alex. How is it possible that the Lamas can make a mistake practising and spreading a demonic practice can also be spreading Buddha's teachings? Somehow FPMT does not get this part. That's because they are doing all this for political reasons.

No religion that is true and good would ever discriminate anyone. What FPMT does is not Buddhist and totally hypocritical. Their discrimination makes them undharmic and all this will eventually come back to them. I guess it has already begun when Lama Osel disrobed and now heading nowhere and is a nobody and Lama Zopa had a stroke. When will they wake up and mend their samaya? Is this the beginning of the end for FPMT? A slow death?

FPMT is definitely playing the politic game here. There are no other reasons for FPMT to give up Dorje Shugden practice in the first place unless it is to look politically correct to get on CTA's and Dalai Lama's good side. Being on their side can get more supporters, sponsors and also members by using Dalai Lama's fame.

It is undeniable that outwardly being against the Dalai Lama can bring some severe consequences to the center but when it compared to breaking their samaya with Lama Yeshe, it is nothing. When they break their samaya with Lama Yeshe by invalidating part of his teaching, the blessing of the lama and lineage masters will stop.

Whatever spiritual activity that they plan to carry out in their center will have no blessing and no lineage. It is much worst to break your samaya with your guru than to have fewer members and fewer sponsorships. Now that the karma of their broken samaya with Lama Yeshe has manifested when Lama Osel decided to lead a secular life and Lama Zopa suffered from a stroke which hinders the spreading of dharma

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It is not logical for FPMT to give up Dorje Shugden practice but still practice other practices from Lama Yeshe. They cannot be selective on the teachings that the Guru gives. On the other hand, when they condemn Dorje Shugden practice is a demonic practice, they are indirectly saying their Guru is a demon practitioner. How can they still practice any other practices that are given by a demon practitioner?

Agree with what you said Alex. How is it possible that the Lamas can make a mistake practising and spreading a demonic practice can also be spreading Buddha's teachings? Somehow FPMT does not get this part. That's because they are doing all this for political reasons.

No religion that is true and good would ever discriminate anyone. What FPMT does is not Buddhist and totally hypocritical. Their discrimination makes them undharmic and all this will eventually come back to them. I guess it has already begun when Lama Osel disrobed and now heading nowhere and is a nobody and Lama Zopa had a stroke. When will they wake up and mend their samaya? Is this the beginning of the end for FPMT? A slow death?

FPMT is definitely playing the politic game here. There are no other reasons for FPMT to give up Dorje Shugden practice in the first place unless it is to look politically correct to get on CTA's and Dalai Lama's good side. Being on their side can get more supporters, sponsors and also members by using Dalai Lama's fame.

It is undeniable that outwardly being against the Dalai Lama can bring some severe consequences to the center but when it compared to breaking their samaya with Lama Yeshe, it is nothing. When they break their samaya with Lama Yeshe by invalidating part of his teaching, the blessing of the lama and lineage masters will stop.

Whatever spiritual activity that they plan to carry out in their center will have no blessing and no lineage. It is much worst to break your samaya with your guru than to have fewer members and fewer sponsorships. Now that the karma of their broken samaya with Lama Yeshe has manifested when Lama Osel decided to lead a secular life and Lama Zopa suffered from a stroke which hinders the spreading of dharma

FPMT giving up Dorje Shugden practice must have been motivated by money. They want to be political right and they don't want to lose their sponsors. Many lamas who didn't give up Dorje Shugden practice have lost many sponsors.

Perhaps it is out of fear that they might not survive without the big sponsors so FPMT decided to give up the practice their lama has given them. But what they didn't realise is that they have broken their Samaya with their lama and nothing they do will have any blessing at all. I think Lama Zopa didn't make this decision himself, he left it to his students to decide. But he is still practicing Dorje Shugden secretly.

The manifestation of the stroke suffered by Lama Zopa is a clear indication something is not right with the students. Lama Zopa might be taking on some heavy negative karma of the students by manifesting the stroke. As for Lama Osel, he must be quite disappointed with how FPMT is run, he has not parted fully from the center but he is not doing much for FPMT either. It is a pity that Lama Osel in this life is not able to do as much Dharma work as Lama Yeshe.

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It is not logical for FPMT to give up Dorje Shugden practice but still practice other practices from Lama Yeshe. They cannot be selective on the teachings that the Guru gives. On the other hand, when they condemn Dorje Shugden practice is a demonic practice, they are indirectly saying their Guru is a demon practitioner. How can they still practice any other practices that are given by a demon practitioner?

Agree with what you said Alex. How is it possible that the Lamas can make a mistake practising and spreading a demonic practice can also be spreading Buddha's teachings? Somehow FPMT does not get this part. That's because they are doing all this for political reasons.

No religion that is true and good would ever discriminate anyone. What FPMT does is not Buddhist and totally hypocritical. Their discrimination makes them undharmic and all this will eventually come back to them. I guess it has already begun when Lama Osel disrobed and now heading nowhere and is a nobody and Lama Zopa had a stroke. When will they wake up and mend their samaya? Is this the beginning of the end for FPMT? A slow death?

FPMT is definitely playing the politic game here. There are no other reasons for FPMT to give up Dorje Shugden practice in the first place unless it is to look politically correct to get on CTA's and Dalai Lama's good side. Being on their side can get more supporters, sponsors and also members by using Dalai Lama's fame.

It is undeniable that outwardly being against the Dalai Lama can bring some severe consequences to the center but when it compared to breaking their samaya with Lama Yeshe, it is nothing. When they break their samaya with Lama Yeshe by invalidating part of his teaching, the blessing of the lama and lineage masters will stop.

Whatever spiritual activity that they plan to carry out in their center will have no blessing and no lineage. It is much worst to break your samaya with your guru than to have fewer members and fewer sponsorships. Now that the karma of their broken samaya with Lama Yeshe has manifested when Lama Osel decided to lead a secular life and Lama Zopa suffered from a stroke which hinders the spreading of dharma

FPMT giving up Dorje Shugden practice must have been motivated by money. They want to be political right and they don't want to lose their sponsors. Many lamas who didn't give up Dorje Shugden practice have lost many sponsors.

Perhaps it is out of fear that they might not survive without the big sponsors so FPMT decided to give up the practice their lama has given them. But what they didn't realise is that they have broken their Samaya with their lama and nothing they do will have any blessing at all. I think Lama Zopa didn't make this decision himself, he left it to his students to decide. But he is still practicing Dorje Shugden secretly.

The manifestation of the stroke suffered by Lama Zopa is a clear indication something is not right with the students. Lama Zopa might be taking on some heavy negative karma of the students by manifesting the stroke. As for Lama Osel, he must be quite disappointed with how FPMT is run, he has not parted fully from the center but he is not doing much for FPMT either. It is a pity that Lama Osel in this life is not able to do as much Dharma work as Lama Yeshe.

When the Dorje Shugden ban was imposed, alot of the Dharma centre that practice Dorje Shugden had to choose between their Guru and His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Alot of the centre chose to give up their Guru to remain politically correct because going against the Dalai Lama's decision is not something that can bring more sponsorship to the centre.

Due to His Holiness the Dalai Lama's fame, many of the sponsors might stop funding their monasteries and dharma centre if they are practising Dorje Shugden. For an outsider, Guru devotion means nothing and its not as difficult as it seems. That is why alot of the dharma centres chooses Dalai Lama over their Lama because of that. Due to their lack of understandings, they had broken their samaya with their Guru.

Lama Osel might even manifest illness or death if the situation continues. This is because the students in FPMT will run out of merit to support their Lama to be around and to receive Dharma from him. Lama Osel will have to cut short his time here because his time is wasted if he is not teaching any Dharma and benefiting any sentient beings. Hence, he will pass away and move on to his next life and he will be born in a place where he can benefit many sentient beings by teaching Dharma.


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Lama Osel disrobed, never finished his studies, achieved nothing much in his secular life, just running around with his girlfriend and clubbing in Ibizia, Spain. His previous life accomplished so much with the help of his determination, hard work and Dorje Shugden. Lama Yeshe credited much of his success to the help he was bestowed by Dorje Shugden. By FPMT abanding Dorje Shugden, they broke their samaya with their lineage gurus such as Trijang Rinpoche and Zong Rinpoche from whom they received the Dorje Shugden sogtae commitment practice. Also it was with Lama Yeshe's permission they received sogtae from these great masters. By abandoning the practice, they broke their spiritual bond (samaya) which is sacred in tantra with Lama Yeshe and lineage lamas. So it is no surprise Lama Yeshe came back in this incarnation unable to manifest being a great dharma teacher like his previous life. It is a shame and embarrassment to FPMT that Lama Osel ended up not doing much. It is a testimony to their failure in keeping their samaya to their guru and lineage lamas.

FPMT wanted fame and rub shoulders with the famous and in return, they lost Lama Yeshe. After Lama Zopa passes away, FPMT will just go down for sure. No one can take over.

Breaking their samaya was the wrong thing to do.
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Lama Osel disrobed, never finished his studies, achieved nothing much in his secular life, just running around with his girlfriend and clubbing in Ibizia, Spain. His previous life accomplished so much with the help of his determination, hard work and Dorje Shugden. Lama Yeshe credited much of his success to the help he was bestowed by Dorje Shugden. By FPMT abanding Dorje Shugden, they broke their samaya with their lineage gurus such as Trijang Rinpoche and Zong Rinpoche from whom they received the Dorje Shugden sogtae commitment practice. Also it was with Lama Yeshe's permission they received sogtae from these great masters. By abandoning the practice, they broke their spiritual bond (samaya) which is sacred in tantra with Lama Yeshe and lineage lamas. So it is no surprise Lama Yeshe came back in this incarnation unable to manifest being a great dharma teacher like his previous life. It is a shame and embarrassment to FPMT that Lama Osel ended up not doing much. It is a testimony to their failure in keeping their samaya to their guru and lineage lamas.

This is so disheartening to read. Lama Zopa and FPMT's actions is akin to flushing enlightenment down the toilet. Lama Yeshe with all his previous achievements and attainments could have benefited so many people more but alas, that doesn't look like it's going to happen in this life.

Lama Osel is the wheel of sharp weapons turning on Lama Zopa and FPMT.

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I do not understand how a Lama like Lama Rinpoche can write things like this, when it is well-known that he himself gave Dorje Shugden initiations and told the initiates that they were incurring a lifelong obligation to continue the practice, and that breaking such an obligation would incur grave negative karma. It is very confusing and frankly, depressing.

Lama Zopa has written some excellent books, such as his work on the Medicine Buddha. However, his logic in this foreword is gravely flawed and perhaps even essentially anti-Buddhist. For instance, he says, “If the Precious Victorious One, His Holiness the Dalai Lama, is not the actual Buddha and Arya Avalokiteshvara, then you can say that in this world there is no emanation of Buddha benefiting sentient beings. In this way bodhicitta and the entire teachings of the Buddha become false.”

Say what??? I do not know whether the Dalai Lama is or is not an emanation of Avalokiteshvara, though, based on his words and actions, I sincerely doubt it. (I mean, the man has repeatedly stated in countless interviews that he is not enlightened, and seems to relish scoffing at the notion that he might be). Regardless, the fact that the Dalai Lama is or is not such an emanation has nothing whatsoever to do with whether there are other emanations of Buddha currently on earth benefitting sentient beings.

Logically, one does not rule out the possibility that other living Buddhas exist today, or other emanations of Avalokiteshvara, simply by denying that the Dalai Lama is such a one. If I deny that my wife is a panda bear, I am not denying that pandas exist. Indeed, to make a claim of exclusivity on the Dalai Lama’s behalf, as Lama Zopa has done, is really anti-Mahayanan in spirit, for it belittles and denigrates the efficacy of all other Buddhist schools and traditions. Someone seems to have imported the Roman Catholic doctrine of papal infallibility into Dharamsala, and now they are beginning to round up the infidels and burn them at the stake.

It is the height of irony that Lama Zopa urges practitioners to examine their beliefs openly and honestly, and then states as a matter of fact that the Dalai Lama is omniscient and one must adhere to what the ‘omniscient one’ says. Am I not permitted to question whether the Dalai Lama is truly omniscient, and to judge this claim by the evidence of the man’s words and actions? Am I not allowed to take him at his word when he says he is NOT omniscient? Am I not allowed to question his lack of success in defending the cause of Tibet, or his lack of compassion in his treatment of Shugden practitioners, or his bumbling manner in any number of interviews, or his willingness to be used as a CIA puppet or guest editor of a highly immoral fashion magazine?

Sadly, the recent actions of Lama Zopa and the Dalai Lama have completely soured me on Tibetan Buddhism. I have been forced to turn back to the Theravadan and Chinese teachings, because I will never again turn my will and intellect over to a guru who demands total obedience, even when he teaches one thing today and a completely different thing tomorrow. With this version of Buddhism, it’s a heads-you-win, tails-I-lose situation for the sincere follower … any faults of the guru are really the fault of the practitioner, whose bad karma has caused those faults to manifest. And even when the guru manifests obvious error, he still is not to be questioned because the error again is in the eye of the practitioner and only through blind loyalty can he cleanse his karma to the point where sincere questioning is of any value. If this is the case, then there is no point in advising practitioners to question and judge the teachings, because their bad karma will not allow them to make reasonable judgments. Reason itself is banished; it has become soiled and fallen and no longer can be trusted. Blind obedience becomes the only permitted path … you must believe in the Dalai Lama because he is a priori infallible and any evidence to the contrary is not credible, because ONLY the Dalai Lama represents Buddha in today’s world and EVERYONE ELSE is deluded.

And so the question arises: if I am required to have blind faith in the Dalai Lama in order to be “saved”, what separates this form of Buddhism from any other exclusivist, country-club members only, religion? What separates Buddhism from the monotheistic religions once reason has been outlawed? You can use the same “your bad karma prevents you from seeing things as they are” argument to justify any religion, any cult, any superstition, any belief whatsoever. It might take a slightly different form — “your ways are not God’s ways,” or “your reason was broken in the original fall from grace of sinful man,” but the essence is the same: don’t trust yourself, look to others, particularly those who are held up as masters, for the truth. In this way, Lama Zopa’s attempt to defend the Dalai Lama becomes an atomic weapon capable of destroying any and all religious belief, or empowering any and all zealots of every stripe.

I find all of this unworthy of the spirit of inquiry I believe Buddha Shakyamuni promoted, and the spirit of compassion that Avalokiteshvara represents. I hope that one day all the confusion that these modern-day avatars have sowed will be cleared up and those of us who relied upon them as examples and guides on the spiritual path will have our disappointments honestly and frankly acknowledged and rectified.

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In FPMT's centre called Tushita in Dharamsala, North India, they have a statue of Lama Yeshe in the form of Vajrasattva with consort.  Now the question is simple: If Lama Yeshe practiced Dorje Shugden, then he is a bad lama, so why doesn't FPMT stop the homage/respect to their founding father Lama Yeshe?If they trust him, they will go to three lower realms for worshipping Lama Yeshe who worshipped Dorje Shugden. And all statues of Lama Yeshe should be discarded from all their centres right? In fact, in nearby Gaden Choling Nunnery in Dharamsala, the nun's took their Dorje Shugden statue out of their main prayer hall where it was worshipped for decades and destroyed the statue in the garbage dump and jumped up and down on it to further desecrate it.

Furthermore they make a Dorje Shugden worshipping Lama Yeshe in the form of divinity as Buddha Vajrasattva. That is a double-whammy no right? Why is FPMT so contradictory? Why are they blind to this double standard?

If they wish to disassociate from Dorje Shugden lamas, they have to disassociate from their own centre-founding Lama who is Lama Yeshe. They must set the example right. Everyone knows Lama Yeshe worshipped, trusted and believed in Dorje Shugden till the end of his life. Lama Yeshe is the one that founded FPMT, so they have to be clean across the board and be honest right? If disassociate, then do it all the way. They should have no pictures, statues and images of Lama Yeshe at all. They should not be making images of him as a deity (Vajrasattva) as that is even more wrong according to their stance against Shugden and Shugden Lamas.
Why encourage their members to worship a Dorje Shugden loving Lama like Lama Yeshe? That is what they are doing when they keep all his images in their centres around the world. They are sending the wrong message out. Lama Yeshe was wrong in their view to practice Dorje Shugden. Lama Yeshe broke his refuge vows by practicing Dorje Shugden. Lama Yeshe's lineage, teachings, initiations and commentaries are all corrupted because he worshipped Dorje Shugden. So they should ritually expel his images from their centres with immediate effect to be in the clean arena.

Dalai Lama said if you worship Dorje Shugden, no one should associate with you and you will go to hell. So how come FPMT still keeps a statue of Lama Yeshe in many of their centres? Is that not hypocrisy?

Photos attached: Lama Yeshe as Vajrasattva with Consort housed in Tushita Centre-Dharamsala and Lama Zopa praying to a statue of Lama Yeshe





For further reading:

FPMT Lineage Masters are Dorje Shugden Believers (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/fpmt-lineage-masters-are-believers-of-dorje-shugden/)

FPMT, Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/fpmt-dalai-lama-and-dorje-shugden/)

A True Inspiration: Claudio Cipullo (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/a-true-inspiration-claudio-cipullo/)

Fabrizio Pallotti (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/fabrizio-pallotti/)

Politically Correct at the Expense of the Lineage (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/politically-correct-at-the-expense-of-the-lineage/)

Lama Yeshe and Geshe Rabten (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/mail-out/lama-yeshe-and-geshe-rabten/)

The Broken Samayas of FPMT (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-broken-samayas-of-fpmt/)

The Questionable Policies of the FPMT (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-questionable-policies-of-the-fpmt/)

Lama Zopa admitted to being recognized by Dorje Shugden (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/others-old/lama-zopa-admitted-to-being-recognized-by-dorje-shugden/)

Recognized by Dorje Shugden, but Speaks against Dorje Shugden (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/recognized-by-dorje-shugden-but-speaks-against-dorje-shugden/)

Kopan Monks Asking for Dorje Shugden Puja for Lama Zopa (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/kopan-monks-asking-for-dorje-shugden-puja-for-lama-zopa/)

Dakini Healed Lama Zopa? (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/dakini-healed-lama-zopa/)

Who made Lama Zopa a Rinpoche? (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/who-made-lama-zopa-a-rinpoche/)
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In FPMT's centre called Tushita in Dharamsala, North India, they have a statue of Lama Yeshe in the form of Vajrasattva with consort. Now the question is simple: If Lama Yeshe practiced Dorje Shugden, then he is a bad lama, so why doesn't FPMT stop the homage/respect to their founding father Lama Yeshe?

It's so bizarre how FPMT has deified Lama Yeshe to such an extent, but refuse to accept their lama's Dorje Shugden practice.

If Lama Zopa saying that his own guru's practice may be a mistake, and he's saying that the same guru, who he regards as an enlightened being (and in this case with the Vajrasattva statue, as a Buddha) is gravely wrong... then, why would anyone want to be a Tibetan Buddhist or even be any kind of Buddhist if the Buddhas can make mistakes?!!!

Is FPMT the Foundation for the Preservation of the Mahayana Tradition, or does it really just stand for: Foundation for the Poisoning of the Mahayana Tradition?

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Lama Zopa, who has received sogtae (initiation of Dorje Shugden) from His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, had said that:

"Lama (Yeshe) and I practiced Shugden for many years. That was always the main thing that Lama did whenever there were problems to overcome. At the beginning of every Kopan course, Lama always did Shugden puja to eliminate hindrances."

"My root guru, His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche; Pabongka Dechen Nyingpo, His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s guru’s root guru; His Holiness Zong Rinpoche, from whom many of the older students received the initiation of Shugden; and the previous incarnation of Gomo Rinpoche, who has a strong connection with Istituto Lama Tsongkhapa, here in Italy, all promoted the practice of Shugden."

Photos: 1) Teachings by H.H. Kyabje Zong Rinpoche to FPMT students. 2) As Lama Yeshe reached the end of his life, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche came to the hospital to do prayers for Lama Yeshe. Lama Yeshe was very devoted to Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and Dorje Shugden till the end.

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In FPMT's centre called Tushita in Dharamsala, North India, they have a statue of Lama Yeshe in the form of Vajrasattva with consort. Now the question is simple: If Lama Yeshe practiced Dorje Shugden, then he is a bad lama, so why doesn't FPMT stop the homage/respect to their founding father Lama Yeshe?

It's so bizarre how FPMT has deified Lama Yeshe to such an extent, but refuse to accept their lama's Dorje Shugden practice.

If Lama Zopa saying that his own guru's practice may be a mistake, and he's saying that the same guru, who he regards as an enlightened being (and in this case with the Vajrasattva statue, as a Buddha) is gravely wrong... then, why would anyone want to be a Tibetan Buddhist or even be any kind of Buddhist if the Buddhas can make mistakes?!!!

Is FPMT the Foundation for the Preservation of the Mahayana Tradition, or does it really just stand for: Foundation for the Poisoning of the Mahayana Tradition?


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You made very good points. Very logical and air-tight.

It does discourage people to enter Tibetan Buddhism.


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Lama Zopa, who has received sogtae (initiation of Dorje Shugden) from His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, had said that:

"Lama (Yeshe) and I practiced Shugden for many years. That was always the main thing that Lama did whenever there were problems to overcome. At the beginning of every Kopan course, Lama always did Shugden puja to eliminate hindrances."

"My root guru, His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche; Pabongka Dechen Nyingpo, His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s guru’s root guru; His Holiness Zong Rinpoche, from whom many of the older students received the initiation of Shugden; and the previous incarnation of Gomo Rinpoche, who has a strong connection with Istituto Lama Tsongkhapa, here in Italy, all promoted the practice of Shugden."

Photos: 1) Teachings by H.H. Kyabje Zong Rinpoche to FPMT students. 2) As Lama Yeshe reached the end of his life, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche came to the hospital to do prayers for Lama Yeshe. Lama Yeshe was very devoted to Kyabje Zong Rinpoche and Dorje Shugden till the end.

This is very sad because many of their lamas are lamas who practice Dorje Shugden. FPMT's current policy is that those in service or teaching in FPMT centers, projects and services do not engage in the practice of Shugden, students regularly attending FPMT centers should not practice Shugden, and FPMT teachers and key staff should not attend teachings by teachers who are known Shugden practitioners. So it means incarnation of lamas who practice Dorje Shugden, the (previous) students who want to connect with the reincarnation of their lamas cannot do if this incarnation also practice Dorje Shugden.

Weird. They can declare that their students do not practice, or their centre do not practice. Why to that extreme? What's the purpose? To look clean and 'align' with the Dalai Lama's policy so that the centres can get funding and support from Tibetan Buddhist communities? For that, to give up samaya/bond with teachers?  :o

dsnowlion

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Thank you thaimonk for posting. There is just too many clear evidence showing how devoted Lama Yeshe is towards his Gurus and also towards his protector Dorje Shugden. I doubt that Lama Yeshe would ever give up his Guru and practice just to be seen to be politically correct.

So why is FPMT so hung up over be "pure" and "clean" while they worship Lama Yeshe who is a Shugden devotee through and through? How can they go around condemning and discriminating other Lamas and practitioners while the worship and seek blessings from a Shugden Lama?

I also heard that awhile back Tsem Tulku actually donated a huge 3 feet Lama Tsongkhapa statue with his 2 heart disciples to Root Institue in Bodhgaya. Now we all know that Tsem Tulku is a huge advocate for lifting the Shugden ban through peaceful means, so why is FPMT keeping a Shugden Lama's gift? Shouldn't it be considered unpure and unclean, hence returned to the sponsor(s)? I believe the picture below will show you the statue that Tsem Tulku donated in the past.


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Harold Musetescu

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It's so very easy to condemn Lama Zopa for not committing and act of corporate suicide.

Lets see now where would Lama Zopa and the FPMT be had they stood up to the Dalai Lama and the CTA's ban?

They would have been destroyed.

They still continue to teach on the Buddha and many Yidams.

But that's not enough for some who wanted Lama Zopa to be destroyed.

He and the FPMT continue to teach Buddhism and that is better than nothing.

So easy to condemn others.

If tomorrow the Dalai Lama lifts the ban then the FPMT will be in place to re start the teaching on Dorje Shugden.

What about all those years Tsem Tulku remained publicly silent about his Dorje Shugden practice?

Did he have something to fear back then?

Yes