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vajratruth

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CTA Publishes Witch Hunt List. And China is Oppressive???
« on: May 21, 2014, 12:31:41 PM »
In a shocking but not all together surprising move, the CTA has published a witch-hunting list of Dorje Shugden practitioners. The only conceivable purpose is to put these people in harm's way - the CTA is known to incite Tibetan peoples' hatred and channel that hatred towards those they regard as enemies. This list essentially calls on the Tibetan who regard themselves as 'loyal' to the Dalai Lama to take action against the named people.

Why would a fair and supposedly democratic government publish the identity of people exercising their right to free speech even as the Dalai Lama has taken away their right to practice their religion? This is yet another proof of the CTA's persecution and Gestapo-like ways of silencing the Tibetan people. If the countries e.g. USA where real democracy is practised allows the peaceful protest against the Dalai Lama (for his illegal religious ban, lying to the public/deceiving the world public amongst other crimes), why should the CTA be any different if indeed it values freedom and democracy?

The CTA is more oppressive than the Chinese clearly.

Strangely, Thierry Dodin, a member in the Dalai Lama's propaganda camp objects to the the list being made public, not because it harms these innocent Shugden worshippers asking to exercise their rights, but because such a move does not fit in well with what is clearly a well-organized campaign [last week] to discredit the deity.

Dodin commented on his Facebook:

"Congratulation. This kind of 'terrorist lists' with comments denigrating the guys as immoral elements (even where true) is exactly what the Chinese would have done.
This piece of diplomatic imbecility leaves me speechless…
It will now be shown around by the Shugden-pa and the Chinese authorities as a proof that CTA is distributing 'wanted'-lists and inviting pogroms.
This destroys all successful efforts of the last weeks to counter Shugden propaganda with serious information. This is a great victory for HHDL's enemies.
Well done, guys, well done".


So much skullduggery against monks and lay people who just want to practice their belief peacefully.

List published by CTA:

List of Dolgyal protestors
As per reliable information received on 20 May 2014, below is a list of Tibetans linked to Dolgyal (Shugden) organisation who took part in protests against His Holiness the Dalai Lama during his visit to the US and Europe in 2014.

 1. Kyungpo Lobsang Dorje

President of the Dolgyal organisation’s so-called North American Gelug Buddhist Association (USA).  He took part in the protests in US in 2008, Australia in 2013 and US, Oslo and Holland in 2014.

 2. Lithang Napo Gyatso

He belongs to Sermey Pomra monastery. He is one of the main leaders of the North American Gelug Buddhist Association (USA). He maintains strong links with the Chinese embassy in US and regularly visits Tibet and China. He is one of protesters in US in 2008 and 2014 respectively.


 3. Dapa Dechen Trulku alias Thubten Lungrig

He is one of main leaders of the US-based Dolgyal organisation and moderator of Mangtroe Khada. He has close relations with the Chinese embassy in America. He visited China and Tibet in 2013. He took part in the protest against His Holiness the Dalai Lama during the latter’s visit to the US in 2014.

 4. Lithang Athar Tsering

He is a disrobed monk of Sermey Pomra monastery. He earlier served advisor for the Dolgyal organisation in Nepal and its secretary in the US. He was the ringleader of the protest against His Holiness the Dalai Lama in the US in 2008. He maintains close relations with the Chinese embassy in US and frequently visit Tibet and China. He took part in protest against His Holiness the Dalai Lama in the US in 2014.

 5. Dabpa Lobsang Tenzin

He is a disrobed monk of Sermey Pomra monastery. He took part in protest against His Holiness the Dalai Lama in the US 2008, Australia in 2013 and the US in 2014.

 
 6. Tsering alias Tsering Polo

He is a monk of Gaden Shartse monastery. He is currently living in Switzerland. He took part in protests against His Holiness the Dalai Lama in France in 2008 and Holland in 2014.

 
7. Jangchup Gyaltsen

He took part in protest against His Holiness the Dalai Lama in Germany and France in 2008 and Holland in 2014

 8. Palden

He is the s0-called head of Bylakuppe Serpom monastery. He took part in protest against His Holiness the Dalai Lama in Holland in 2014
 
9. Chatreng Lobsang Nyima

He is living in France. He protest against His Holiness the Dalai Lama in France in 2008 and Holland in 2014

10. Sonam Gyaltsen

He is among the protesters in US in 2008 and Oslo, Norway in 2014

 11. Chatrengwa Yangdhar Trulku

Ex monk of Sermey Pomra monastery. One of the protestors in US in 2014

 12. Dzawa Trulku alias Lobsang Dorje Tenzin Yarphel Rinpoche alias Chatreng Trulku

He is a member of Jangchub Choeling Dharma Centre in Canada. He is among the protesters in the US in 2008 and Oslo and Holland in 2014

More:  http://tibet.net/dolgyal-shugden/list-of-dolgyal-protestors/


 

 

 

 

 

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Re: CTA Publishes Witch Hunt List. And China is Oppressive???
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2014, 08:05:36 PM »
Tibetans should realise it is not the Chinese who is oppressing their religious rights.  Their enemy is from within.  Rightly so we should save these Tibetans from being witch hunted. 



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Re: CTA Publishes Witch Hunt List. And China is Oppressive???
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2014, 09:03:07 PM »
Shame on the Central Tibetan Administration.  CTA targets women in their witch hunting.



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Re: CTA Publishes Witch Hunt List. And China is Oppressive???
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2014, 07:20:02 AM »
Is this the ongoing "Talibanisation" of the CTA? Butt out from religious affairs CTA! Back down on the "ban"!
Solomon's Judgement: 2 women came to resolve a quarrel over which was d true mother of a baby. When Solomon suggested they should divide d child in two with a sword, one said she would rather give up d child than see it killed. Solomon then declared d woman who showed compassion 2b the true mother.

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Re: CTA Publishes Witch Hunt List. And China is Oppressive???
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2014, 09:45:07 PM »
Here is one of the Dalai Lama's representatives taking photographs of Tibetan protesters outside the Chateau Neuf in Oslo. These and other photographs have now appeared on the Tibetan Government's website as part of their 'name and shame' campaign to suppress free speech. These are not the actions of a democratic society.



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Re: CTA Publishes Witch Hunt List. And China is Oppressive???
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2014, 10:12:04 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2014, 10:17:38 PM »
The International Shugden Community published the following:

Dalai Lama incites violence against Tibetan Shugden practitioners
Posted on May 22, 2014

On May 21 the following appeared on the official website of the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA)

This information provided by the Dalai Lama is clearly an incitement to commit acts of violence against these twenty Tibetans.

We would like to publicly state that if any harm comes to any of these people the Dalai Lama will be held personally responsible.

The Dalai Lama has caused this kind of harm many times in the past, but this time the world is watching!

http://tibet.net/2014/05/22/list-of-dolgyal-followers-who-protested-against-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-in-us-and-europe/

https://web.archive.org/web/20140521090245/http://tibet.net/dolgyal-shugden/list-of-dolgyal-protestors/

UPDATE: They have reposted an updated list on their english website. http://tibet.net/2014/05/22/list-of-dolgyal-followers-who-protested-against-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-in-us-and-europe/

The Tibetan version is still live on their website.

http://bod.asia

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Re: CTA Publishes Witch Hunt List. And China is Oppressive???
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2014, 10:23:49 PM »
*** Please Help: 

Open a Twitter account, it's easy. Get tweeting to free these Tibetan Shugden Buddhists and their families from harm by followers of the false Dalai Lama:

Human Rights Law Network India @hrln_india
Human Rights Asia @humanrightsasia
UN Human Rights @UNrightswire
Human Rights Watch @hrw
Human Rights at FCO (UK Government) @FCOHumanRights
Amnesty International @amnesty
Index on Censorship @IndexCensorship
http://tibet.net/2014/05/22/list-of-dolgyal-followers-who-protested-against-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-in-us-and-europe/

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Re: CTA Publishes Witch Hunt List. And China is Oppressive???
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2014, 06:12:10 AM »
I think the CTA leaders are still living in the 1950s and assume people can be easily fooled by what the government or HH Dalai Lama said without logic thinking. Or they have so much power that they become so arrogant and can practically do whatever they want. But hey, don't forget you are fighting for freedom, but at the same time you are suppressing freedom from your own people!

It is indeed very bad that the CTA even publish the address of one of the protestors, and I agree with the author this will only incite violence against her and her family. What I don't understand is that why is HH Dalai Lama's government students are so hateful and revengeful. Didn't HH Dalai Lama teach us all to be kind and compassion? Based on the actions by CTA which shows arrogance, violence, selfishness and rudeness, it shows the Dharma taught by HH Dalai Lama is not being applied by the CTA at all. If I am new to Buddhism and look at the actions of the HH Dalai Lama's students, I will run away like hell.

CTA, please stop blaming the Dorje Shugden practitioners about the peaceful protests. Do you know why there are peaceful protests? That's because CTA and HH Dalai Lama ignore the request for a dialogue on this matter. Ironically, HH Dalai Lama urge people to have dialogues between religions to reduce frictions.

CTA, if anything happened to the people in the list, YOU ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE because you incited violence against them. And what kind of Buddhists are you that incite violence against others? I think you are indeed the Taliban of the Buddhism, sad to say.

For the people who volunteer and help in CTA to "counter" Dorje Shugden practitioners, please be rational and think. All we want is freedom to practice. Isn't that what CTA wants as well? Why have double standards? Why fight for freedom and suppress freedoms of others? Why do you donate your money and efforts to such arrogant and selfish organisation??

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Re: CTA Publishes Witch Hunt List. And China is Oppressive???
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2014, 09:04:28 AM »
This hunt list really shows that those people are open target to be harm by the Tibetan government and the Dalai Lama supporters. Instead of having a dialogue with them to resolve the ban issue now is kind of like assassinating time!

The Tibetan government is just waiting to get those people on the list but they are so stupid by releasing the  information and if those people really being harm people can see that it’s from the CTA since they  are the one showing people and also from the track experience being violent and vulgar!

CTA should stop hurting their own people! If there really pure dharma practitioners of the Dalai Lama pls act more dharmic instead of violent because how you act is the reflection of your Guru teaching. I don't think the Dalai Lama will instruct to harm people.

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Re: CTA Publishes Witch Hunt List. And China is Oppressive???
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2014, 11:59:05 AM »
CTA is ruthless, undemocratic and coward! Instead of protecting the very Tibetans whom it is supposed to, CTA is endangering the lives of these peaceful Tibetans who care to speak up for the religious freedom of and the injustice done to the Dorje Shugden followers. No other nations would want to be associated with a government who used such a despicable tactic! CTA is a disgrace to all the Tibetans.

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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2014, 05:25:31 PM »
This is too much. Where is the proof of them by practicing Dorje Shugden is directly shorten the life of HHTDL? With respect how can an evil spirit can have an impact on a Buddha? This is just not logic. And with this CTA list of Dorje Shugden practitioners claiming them to be a bunch of witch by practicing and holding what they believe in which is a teaching passed down by their gurus and not any other gurus they are Pabongkha Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche and Zong Rinpoche.

So does it mean 3 of them are witches as well? Let's not forget that Trijang Rinpoche and Zong Rinpoche was a tutor to the Dalai Lama...

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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2014, 08:37:55 PM »
Alas! We have heard... or rather I have heard about this infamous list but now, we can read it in English. I am sure the Tibetan version is more extensive. I read that they put this out in Tibetan in public places within the Tibetan community. Imagine that! And you know how backwards some of the Tibetans can be and such a list only serve to incite severe discrimination, violence and so forth. May the ban come down now! No other country would do this to their own people.

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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2014, 10:22:18 PM »
OMG!! This is crazy!
Previously I have heard about CTA showing the list of the Shugden practitioners to the Tibetan committee or pasting the pictures of the Shugden practitioner. This has causing the anti-Shudgen followers to harm and disturbed the Shugden practitioners and their family. (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=4837.0 )
Videos from Tibetan Public Talk : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78o-1s9hDos

Now I can see it with my own eyes the list in English and published openly on the website!

This is a solid prove! Are you going to deny again CTA? You are worse than what you have claimed on the Chinese Government! If you are doing this, how would you able to unite your people and take care of all the Tibetan??


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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2014, 04:09:20 AM »
Well the list is publicly out in the World Wide Web for the whole world to perceive. Even though there is no intent stated on publishing the list, it is so apparent that it serves to incite more hate into the simple minds of those who blindly act according to the words of the CTA. If the CTA is accusing the Chinese Government of oppressing the Tibetans in Tibet, it is very clear that the CTA is doing a better job at tormenting their nations elsewhere. If all this goes on, I fear they have not only lost their country, but in the process of wiping out the whole lineage of Tibetan Buddhism.