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Ratna Shugden

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Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen broke His samaya with His guru?
« on: July 03, 2019, 12:10:55 PM »
In what way did Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen broke His samaya with His guru, Panchen Lozang Chokyi Gyaltsen? Not that I know He did.

Matibhadra

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Re: Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen broke His samaya with His guru?
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2019, 05:28:17 PM »
Being the one “without a [true] samaya”, “with a false samaya vow”, a “ghost”, a “samaya corrupter with perverted aspirations”, and so forth, in this context, is just pseudo-Buddhist wording for “being an obstacle to the perversion of the pure Buddha's teachings perpetrated (among others by the evil butcher the 5th dalie and by the current evil clown the 14th dalie) through mixing them with non-Buddhist Nyingma crap”.

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Re: Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen broke His samaya with His guru?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2019, 07:54:21 PM »
First, as Bell stated, the cut and paste or mix and match of the 1st stanza and the rest just does not give any credibility to the charge that the great Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen had done anything to break Samaya with his Guru.

Secondly, even the rest of the stanzas, particularly the translation of the Tibetan word "Damsi" as to mean a vow-breaking spirit, exactly, has been disputed by experts.

I attach page 9 and 10 from LINDSAY G. McCUNE's 2007 Master's thesis titled TALES OF INTRIGUE FROM TIBET’S HOLY CITY: THE HISTORICAL UNDERPINNINGS OF A MODERN BUDDHIST CRISIS where she clearly states the reasons why "Damsi" is very likely not meant to be vow-breaking spirit.

Whoever did this in the 17th century was up to no good and whoever repeats it today as a reason why we should avoid practicing Dorje Shugden has no basis to use this as irrefutable evidence.


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Re: Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen broke His samaya with His guru?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2019, 07:58:07 PM »
A bit of correction to the above said.

She is clear and states that there is no reason why the stanzas by the great 5th would be undoubtedly referring to Dorje Shugden.

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Re: Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen broke His samaya with His guru?
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2019, 09:03:56 AM »
How reliable is this information. H.H Trijang Rinpoche Dorje Chang, Pabongka Rinpoche had never said Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen before. I will believe these 2 great masters than this person. How credible is this person? How much she has studied about Tibetan Buddhism history and history in general?

Apart from Trijang Rinpoche and Pabongka Rinpoche, other highly attained Buddhist masters also have never said this about Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen. Zong Rinpoche, Zasep Rinpoche, Geshe Rabten Rinpoche, Geshe Kelsang Gyatso all recognised Dorje Shugden as an emanation of Buddha Manjushri, so Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen could not have broken his samaya.

Did CTA pay this person to publish this book to discredit Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen and Dorje Shugden? Instead of using the hard-earned money of the sponsors to do something beneficial to the Tibetans, CTA uses the money to do something destructive to the Tibetan and Buddhist community. Money is more important to CTA than anything else. Sad...

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Re: Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen broke His samaya with His guru?
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2019, 12:35:12 PM »
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She [Lindsay McCune] clearly states the reasons why "Damsi" is very likely not meant to be vow-breaking spirit.
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She is clear and states that there is no reason why the stanzas by the great 5th would be undoubtedly referring to Dorje Shugden.

Lindsay McCune cannot say that “Damsi” meant what it meant, and that the evil butcher the 5th dalie did refer to Dorje Shugden, because she wants to preserve a positive image of the evil 5th among Shugdenpas.

The cult of the evil 5th is rampant among Shugdenpas. This can be directly seen in pro-Shugden monasteries such as Pelgyeling in Kathmandu, where footprints of the butcher are held as object of veneration.

This is similar to the rampant cult of the evil 14th seen nowadays among Shugdenpas -- by those sycophants who cannot stop blaming the “CTA” for the crimes of the evil dalie, actually hoping for a place in the evil dalie's court.

Even if the evil 5th later “regretted” and sponsored Dorje Shugden monasteries and shrines, he did so out of fear and political interest.

As long as Shugdenpas do not get rid of their own political ambitions as vassals of some evil dalie, they are bound to repeat such fanciful, self-serving stories.

Lindsay's main idea is to protect the evil butcher the 5th dalie's (and therefore his supposed reincarnation the current 14th evil dalie's) image even among Shugdenpas. She is just playing the ”good cop”, or the doctor who assists a torturer, occasionally healing the wounds of the victim.

Which of course serves well CIA interests, because there are both Shugdenpas and anti-Shugdenpas among its Tibetan assets, and it is not in CIA's interest to break the ”unanimity” around the current evil dalie, his role model the 5th evil butcher, and the institution of “Dalai Lamas” in general.