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Ratna Shugden

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Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen broke His samaya with His guru?
« on: July 03, 2019, 12:10:55 PM »
In what way did Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen broke His samaya with His guru, Panchen Lozang Chokyi Gyaltsen? Not that I know He did.

Matibhadra

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Re: Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen broke His samaya with His guru?
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2019, 05:28:17 PM »
Being the one “without a [true] samaya”, “with a false samaya vow”, a “ghost”, a “samaya corrupter with perverted aspirations”, and so forth, in this context, is just pseudo-Buddhist wording for “being an obstacle to the perversion of the pure Buddha's teachings perpetrated (among others by the evil butcher the 5th dalie and by the current evil clown the 14th dalie) through mixing them with non-Buddhist Nyingma crap”.

Ringo Starr

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Re: Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen broke His samaya with His guru?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2019, 07:54:21 PM »
First, as Bell stated, the cut and paste or mix and match of the 1st stanza and the rest just does not give any credibility to the charge that the great Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen had done anything to break Samaya with his Guru.

Secondly, even the rest of the stanzas, particularly the translation of the Tibetan word "Damsi" as to mean a vow-breaking spirit, exactly, has been disputed by experts.

I attach page 9 and 10 from LINDSAY G. McCUNE's 2007 Master's thesis titled TALES OF INTRIGUE FROM TIBET’S HOLY CITY: THE HISTORICAL UNDERPINNINGS OF A MODERN BUDDHIST CRISIS where she clearly states the reasons why "Damsi" is very likely not meant to be vow-breaking spirit.

Whoever did this in the 17th century was up to no good and whoever repeats it today as a reason why we should avoid practicing Dorje Shugden has no basis to use this as irrefutable evidence.


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Re: Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen broke His samaya with His guru?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2019, 07:58:07 PM »
A bit of correction to the above said.

She is clear and states that there is no reason why the stanzas by the great 5th would be undoubtedly referring to Dorje Shugden.