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Tibetan exiled government regime falling apart
« on: March 03, 2018, 01:28:06 PM »
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All the signs are there, pointing to the implosion of the Tibetan leadership. In recent times, Tibetans have learned about US$1.5 million that was embezzled by one of the Dalai Lama’s closest aides, Tenzin Dhonden, who was also implicated in a sexual scandal. Incensed by news about the abrupt dismissal of Penpa Tsering from his post as the Dalai Lama’s representative in North America, Tibetans have also been busy protesting against Sikyong Lobsang Sangay. They claim that Sangay, as the Prime Minister of the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA; Tibetan leadership in Dharamsala), spearheaded and masterminded Penpa Tsering’s dismissal and swift replacement.

Simultaneously, there are those who support Lobsang Sangay, who assert that for his “performance deficit” and insubordination towards the leadership. They, in turn, have launched counter-protests against Penpa Tsering and his supporters. Now the people are protesting against Tenpa Yarphel, the member of Parliament who previously criticized the CTA’s reliance on Nechung as archaic and irrelevant, and unbefitting of the ideals of a democracy. Are you keeping up yet? If you are confused, then realize that your confusion is the result of the CTA’s machinations over the last 60 years.

The rest of the article:http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/tibetan-exiled-government-regime-falling-apart/


For the decades, CTA has been using Dorje Shugden as scapegoat to cover up CTA’s failure in delivering their promises of better life and return to Tibet. But clearly CTA can’t pin the recent troubles, scandals and leadership failures on Dorje Shugden by virtue of CTA’s discriminatory exclusions of Dorje Shugden and practitioners from not only significant post within CTA but also even from the Tibetan community.

Hence, it really is the case where, CTA’s bad leadership “has led them down this path of desperation, despair and violence. There is no one else to point the finger at; the Tibetan leadership is squarely to blame for all of this and there is no doubt that they are the cause of the problem and the fuel that keeps it burning”.

Totally agree that “the only way to bring some hope back for the Tibetan people is to get rid of the current corrupt, exploitative leadership and instead appoint new leaders who truly care for the future of Tibetans.”

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Re: Tibetan exiled government regime falling apart
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2018, 12:46:54 AM »
This is all about power! The CTA is not interested in the Tibetans!

The Tibetan Government is not doing their job but just take advantage and having a good life... No second thoughts about the Tibetans who suffer for 60 years already!

This is such a shame!

We all must join the protests! This all has to stop!  >:(

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Re: Tibetan exiled government regime falling apart
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2018, 06:51:07 AM »
@pema8 agree that CTA's exploitation of Tibetans' pain and suffering has to stop. It has been decades and yet CTA's questionable decisions and actions only reveal CTA's self-serving nature and that CTA never prioritised the interests of Tibetans.

Take for example how CTA would not hesitate to even use religion as a tool to manipulate things to CTA's advantage. CTA clearly abused their power and undertook drastic measures and employed very questionable and persecutory tactics as a means to stamp out the Dorje Shugden practice. This is regardless of that CTA's claim to be democratic but yet CTA blatantly carry out the purposeful opposition of a religion which is an infringement on the freedom and rights of the Shugden practitioners, and also a blatant breach of the Tibetan Constitution.

And this is despite fully understanding the significance of Buddhism particularly for Tibetans,CTA still did not hesitate and proceeded anyway. All so CTA can divert attention from CTA's constant failures to date and also deepen CTA's personal pockets. One only has to look at all the recent reports of controversies involving CTA such as fraud allegations, breach of trusts, money laundering etc. http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/tibetans-are-protesting-their-own-exile-government-regime-again/ http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/half-a-century-of-wasted-aid-what-the-cta-hides/

Thankfully, many including Tibetans are no longer tolerating CTA's corrupt and problematic actions and are actively condemning, exposing CTA's wrongdoings and even demanding answers. http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/brave-mr-dhamchoe-nyima-is-tired-of-tibetan-government-in-dharamsala/  http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/tibetans-cheated-by-their-own-government/ http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/the-tibetan-parliament-questions-nechung/

In fact, some are even now threatening to self-immolate in their demands for CTA's accountability. http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/monk-threatens-tibetan-leadership-with-self-immolation/
Although disagree that such drastic protest should be carried out, definitely support the call for CTA to be answerable to Tibetans and even donors or sponsors.

Harold Musetescu

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Re: Tibetan exiled government regime falling apart
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2018, 05:33:32 PM »
 A quote from Celia
 
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Take for example how CTA would not hesitate to even use religion as a tool to manipulate things to CTA's advantage. CTA clearly abused their power and undertook drastic measures and employed very questionable and persecutory tactics as a means to stamp out the Dorje Shugden practice. This is regardless of that CTA's claim to be democratic but yet CTA blatantly carry out the purposeful opposition of a religion which is an infringement on the freedom and rights of the Shugden practitioners, and also a blatant breach of the Tibetan Constitution.
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The CTA does all this because they are just following the orders of their PUPPET MASTER.

Who is the CTA's PUPPET MASTER?

The 14th Dalai Lama.

If he order the lifting of the ban today the CTA would agree with it immediately.

Why can't you see that the CTA is not the problem.

Its the Dalai Lama that started the BAN not the CTA.

But you don't blame the Dalai Lama instead all the blame goes to the CTA.

WAKE UP

Celia

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Re: Tibetan exiled government regime falling apart
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2018, 12:38:03 AM »

 @Harold Musetescu
 
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Why can't you see that the CTA is not the problem.

Its the Dalai Lama that started the BAN not the CTA.

But you don't blame the Dalai Lama instead all the blame goes to the CTA.

WAKE UP
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Respectfully beg to differ from your approach. Just as you are entitled to want to blame Dalai Lama based on your perceptions and views, I too, am entitled to my views based on my reasoning.

Doesn’t give you the right to disrespect my views for not condemning the Dalai Lama (or any other people’s stance which is similar to mine for that matter, since you also comment abrasively to people who do not condemn Dalai Lama in other threads). That being said, admittedly your comments to me here are less severe compared to others.

In any event, I am entitled to opt to look at things pragmatically in that officially CTA holds the power and bears the obligations which can effect change. So, I have every right to speak out about CTA’s hypocrisy and failures based on facts.

If you feel strongly about opting to blame Dalai Lama, by all means, do it at your own expense. There is no need to belittle other people’s differing views or frustratingly imposing your views on others and even overbearingly criticising people for not feeling the same way you do.

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Re: Tibetan exiled government regime falling apart
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2018, 01:52:11 AM »
Celia, a few simple questions.

Who started the ban?

Who can end the ban?

Who officially started the ban?

Was it the 14th Dalai Lama or was it the CTA?

The answer is, it was the 14th Dalai Lama and not the CTA.

You Celia stated in part to me in your reply the following quote.

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Just as you are entitled to want to blame Dalai Lama based on your perceptions and views...
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That Celia is simply wrong.

I do not base my statements to you on my "perceptions and views" as you have claimed.

I Celia base it on a historical facts.

The facts are that the 14th Dalai Lama publicly started HIS BAN in 1996.

After that the CTA endorsed HIS BAN.

Can the CTA independently end the ban without the consent of the 14th Dalai Lama.

No, only the 14th Dalai Lama has the power to end HIS BAN.

If the CTA's wishes it can publicly state that it no longer endorses HIS BAN but we know they will not do so.

Puppets answer to their "Puppet Master" and not the other way around.

If I am so wrong in my "perceptions and views" do please enlighten me on my errors and the true FACTS regarding HIS BAN.

Or if I am so wrong, THE CTA'S BAN.

I look forward to your reply.

Respectfully Celia, please do let me at this time apologize to you for any offence I may have committed.

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Re: Tibetan exiled government regime falling apart
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2018, 01:55:41 AM »
The Dalai Lama may have started the ban, but those who are corrupted are from the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) lead by sleazy, corrupted, lustful, big-fat-failure Lobsang Sangay. It is due to his "leadership" that the whole CTA is corrupted, fake monk Tenzin Dhonden can embezzle money and involve in a cult and sexual scandal, and endless luxury trips to Japan, USA and all around the world for relationship building including those that with Dhardon Sharling are allowed to take place!

If you can't see this, you must be blinded by your own delusion to blame just about everything to His Holiness.

Harold Musetescu

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Re: Tibetan exiled government regime falling apart
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2018, 02:32:52 AM »
Roundtree

The Dalai Lama may have started the ban, but those who are corrupted are from the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) lead by sleazy, corrupted, lustful, big-fat-failure Lobsang Sangay. It is due to his "leadership" that the whole CTA is corrupted, fake monk Tenzin Dhonden can embezzle money and involve in a cult and sexual scandal, and endless luxury trips to Japan, USA and all around the world for relationship building including those that with Dhardon Sharling are allowed to take place!

If you can't see this, you must be blinded by your own delusion to blame just about everything to His Holiness.

Could you tell me when the 14th Dalai Lama has taken the CTA to task for anything that you listed above?

Hum?

Let me think?

NEVER!!

His PUPPETS are doing just fine in the DL thoughts and opinions.

You see Roundtree the 14th has no negative "thoughts and opinions" about what HIS CTA are doing.

You certainly do but the 14th Dalai Lama does not share your "thoughts and opinions".

If he did he would have said so and the entire CTA would all be out on the street looking for new jobs.

You stated
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The Dalai Lama may have started the ban, but those who are corrupted are from the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA)
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"Those who are corrupted",  Roundtree, were CORRUPTED BY THE 14TH DALAI LAMA.

The corruption started with the 14th and continues to this very day because of the 14th.

"If you can't see this, you must be blinded by your own delusion to blame just about everything to the"
CTA.

Celia

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Re: Tibetan exiled government regime falling apart
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2018, 05:35:24 PM »
Celia, a few simple questions.

Who started the ban?

Who can end the ban?

Who officially started the ban?

Was it the 14th Dalai Lama or was it the CTA?

The answer is, it was the 14th Dalai Lama and not the CTA.

You Celia stated in part to me in your reply the following quote.

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Just as you are entitled to want to blame Dalai Lama based on your perceptions and views...
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That Celia is simply wrong.

I do not base my statements to you on my "perceptions and views" as you have claimed.

I Celia base it on a historical facts.

The facts are that the 14th Dalai Lama publicly started HIS BAN in 1996.

After that the CTA endorsed HIS BAN.

Can the CTA independently end the ban without the consent of the 14th Dalai Lama.

No, only the 14th Dalai Lama has the power to end HIS BAN.

If the CTA's wishes it can publicly state that it no longer endorses HIS BAN but we know they will not do so.

Puppets answer to their "Puppet Master" and not the other way around.

If I am so wrong in my "perceptions and views" do please enlighten me on my errors and the true FACTS regarding HIS BAN.

Or if I am so wrong, THE CTA'S BAN.

@Harold Musetescu

Please understand that the point is that whilst you are entitled to your interpretation of facts which led you to decide on the path to condemn Dalai Lama, I and so many others are entitled to pursue a different discussion.

Bottomline is that no one has the right to belittle or overbearingly condemn another for not subscribing to the other's views. There is such a thing as "agree to disagree". It is just common decency and people are entitled to different views.

Just to be clear, I am not judging whether your interpretation of the facts is right or wrong. (Btw, there are scientific as well as Buddhist scriptures which denotes human being’s interpretation of facts as perceptions or views). It is also clear from all my posts that I have never condemned anybody's views regardless of whether i agreed or disagreed with them. Freedom of speech allows for people to have their views and I reiterate by all means make your points based on your interpretation of the situation as you understand facts. But that does not mean you can disrespect other people’s views and be overbearingly patronising and even rudely condemning others for not subscribing to your views or agreeing with your stance.

Regardless of your view that Dalai Lama has to be condemned, does it invalidate our views that CTA is corrupt and unscrupulous? Of course not, considering you also have mentioned about CTA’s wrongdoings in so many other occassions (albeit you attributing them to the Dalai Lama). There are also facts that reveal CTA’s corrupt and unscrupulous nature which support our views. Just like how you use facts to support your stance against Dalai Lama.

So, what gives you the right to dictate what people want to focus on or how people want to discuss?

Unlike certain people, I am not here to judge other people’s views or interpretations of the situation but to talk about things decently and respectfully on things which matters. The point for me is not to convert people to my thinking but to raise attention to issues and consider the different perspectives. And I sincerely believe people here are mature enough to think and evaluate the value of any perspectives different from their own without the need of shoving down people’s throat, so to speak.

After all, if the alternative points raised are convincing then such points will speak for itself.

Incidentally, even Buddha Shakyamuni who knew everything does not seek to impose or convert people to His views but allow them to come to their own conclusion whether to accept His words or not.

I look forward to your reply.

Respectfully Celia, please do let me at this time apologize to you for any offence I may have committed.

As I am not enlightened, admittedly, I am still bothered with things like rudeness, superciliousness, overbearingness and hence would speak up to ensure people do not cross the line. However, your apology is very much appreciated if you truly meant it.


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Re: Tibetan exiled government regime falling apart
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2018, 06:23:07 PM »
 "your apology is very much appreciated if you truly meant it."

I do Celia, I do.

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Re: Tibetan exiled government regime falling apart
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2018, 07:49:54 PM »
From his brutally candid analysis of the current state of affairs, ( http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/tibetans-urged-not-to-thank-india-just-grow-up/ ) it is clear that Lobsang Wangyal, the owner of TibetSun.com and a well-known commentator of Tibetan affairs has joined the ranks of a growing number of Tibetans who have not only wizen up to CTA’s shenanigans but are also vocally demanding for CTA’s accountability. In particular, he openly asserted that CTA should stop paying lip service and sabotagingly pussyfooting on the Tibetan cause further with China as time is really running out for CTA. It is high time for CTA to buck up already. That is if CTA actually plan on delivering their earlier promises to Tibetans instead of just milking the situation for their own self-serving interests for as long can until their time is up.

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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2018, 06:29:11 AM »
It is time for the CTA to own up to their failures and incapability. Since the very beginning, they should not have conveniently used Dorje Shugden as a scapegoat to cover their failures.

Now the time is changing, and nobody will believe the CTA if they claim that their failures are due to Dorje Shugden practice. After all they have banned the practice for 20 years and people will be asking why the CTA keeps receiving bad news day-after-day.

It is time for Lobsang Sangay Cs to face reality.

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Re: Tibetan exiled government regime falling apart
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2018, 06:50:09 AM »
I just read the article and saw the pictures! Wow... CTA's karma for ostracizing Shugden practitioners is all coming back now! It is time for a new change and I am pretty sure the Dalai Lama saw all this happening.

I do not know how the Dalai Lama is taking all this, but he was the one who picked Lobsang Sangay to be PM/President. I am amazed at the amount of people retaliating and speaking up. It is unheard of to go against the Tibetan exile administration as it would mean going against His Holiness. So I guess the Tibetans have really had it with the CTA. Perhaps this whole thing is a divine play? Something Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche predicted in Music Delighting. I don't question Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche
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Don't think they should impeach Tenpa Yarphel BUT Times Up for sexual abuser Lobsang.

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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2018, 02:39:51 PM »
And yet despite the sordid state of CTA, it is just very mindboggling why USA will have such a change of heart from zero support to granting increased monetary support http://tibet.net/2018/03/us-congress-approves-increased-funding-for-tibetans-in-tibet-and-exile/ given that;

(i)   CTA does not contribute anything positive towards USA and also brings no tangible economic benefits but possible economic detriment to USA;

(ii)   more and more reports of Tibetans’ dissatisfaction with CTA and in fact many are growing vocal about how CTA has failed them. Some of these include; Mr Dhamchoe Nyima http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/brave-mr-dhamchoe-nyima-is-tired-of-tibetan-government-in-dharamsala/ ; and many others  http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/tibetans-are-protesting-their-own-exile-government-regime-again/ ; https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/tibetans-speaking-up-against-the-cta/  ; http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/tibetans-reject-tibetan-leadership/ and

(iii)   then more and more scandals are exploding about CTA from the recent monetary fraud, embezzlement allegations http://www.dorjeshugden.com/others-old/2017-sacking-of-penpa-tsering-exposes-more-corruption-and-abuses-by-tibetan-leadership/] [url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/others-old/2017-sacking-of-penpa-tsering-exposes-more-corruption-and-abuses-by-tibetan-leadership/[/url] ; http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/us1-5-million-siphoned-by-tibetan-government] [url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/us1-5-million-siphoned-by-tibetan-government[/url]; to sexual assaults http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/tenzin-dhonden-the-corrupt-emissary-of-dalai-lama/] [url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/tenzin-dhonden-the-corrupt-emissary-of-dalai-lama/ [/url]and many others http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/hate-crimes/

Definitely something fishy. Perhaps it really is the case as per the analysis in an interesting article published by modern diplomacy, “If Marco Polo were alive today, what tales would he tell about China and Tibet?” as follows;

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Following the Second World War, the US saw in Tibet a religious patent that could be exploited against communism as an ongoing propaganda campaign. It started with an armed uprising in 1959 against the People’s Republic of China, followed by the exile of the 14th Dalai Lama in India and the establishment of the Government of Tibet in Exile ruling over about 100,000 Tibetan refugees settled mainly in northern India.

Ever since, China has considered all Tibet’s pro-independence movements as part of a strategic propaganda operation abetted by Western imperialists who want to destabilize China. This view was bolstered, for example, by the CIA‘s backing of Tibetan insurgencies during the 1950s and 1960s, the support of Western NGOs for the “pro-Tibet” riots of 2008 when China hosted the Olympic Games, and the continuing self-immolations by Tibetans and Buddhist monks promoted since 2009 by the Government of Tibet in Exile, praised as courageous by the 14th Dalai Lama – although he questioned their effectiveness – and glorified by NGOs advocating human rights for Tibet.

There have been intermittent expectations of formal negotiations between the principal parties to the Tibet issue, but their zero-sum view of Tibet’s political status, reciprocal accusations and mutual suspicion have been persistent barriers. The participation of other actors has also had an effect. Many foreign states acknowledge Tibet as a part of China, while none formally recognizes the Government of Tibet in Exile – also known as the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) – yet a number of them sustain the cause of the exiles in other ways. Thousands of supporters of Tibetan independence, encouraged by Western NGOs have also rallied to this cause, including members of the world’s parliaments, rights activists, actors, musicians, and ordinary converts to Tibetan Buddhism in the West.

In reality, communications on Tibet are persistently disseminated by the CTA, Western NGOs and the Chinese government as part of well-planned and organized propaganda campaigns serving contrasting geopolitical and military interests.


Link to full article: https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/03/20/if-marco-polo-were-alive-today-what-tales-would-he-tell-about-china-and-tibet/

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Re: Tibetan exiled government regime falling apart
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2018, 03:23:59 PM »
CTA does contribute anything to anyone period. It is just a matter of time now before they are asked to close shop. Now all their events are not allowed to attended by Indian ministers and they have been cautioned NOT stir trouble and have protest against China while India is trying their best to mend relations with China.

CTA you are becoming more redundant and more useless by the day. And if you continue divided and segregating your people, soon you will be standing alone. They should have never discriminated against Shugden people, instead of adding more number to unite, they lose out by creating division. Foolish, this is why they are going to lose out.