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General Discussion / Re: The Violence Against Lukar Jam Starts Now
« Last post by ShugdenProtector on March 24, 2017, 10:28:33 PM »
Speaking to Phayul, Jam said, “I suspect the crime was perpetrated by someone who did not agree with my recent post or by an opportunistic agent of China aiming to plant discord within the Tibetan community. Either ways, the responsibility of the incident rests upon the CTA leadership who made public statements on the issue as well as individuals and proxy accounts online that created a ‘misunderstanding’ between him and the general public.” He also said he will leave the issue in the hands of the Indian law enforcement authorities.

an opportunistic agent of China aiming to plant discord within the Tibetan community. what on earth does this mean Lukar? Why does it have to be a Chinese agent doing this? This is so distorted. Or perhaps maybe you would like to say that Sikyong Lobsang Sangay is also an opportunistic agent of China... yeah that probably sounds right, no?

One thing I dislike about these pro-rangzen Tibetans is that they have a really narrow one sided thinking. Everything bad seems to be blamed on China. Look I ain't no huge China fan either, but playing the blame it all on China game is really passe and not going to get you guys anywhere, it has not for 50 over years, so might as well get over it and move on. Straighten things out at your own home base first like... elect a PM that is FOR THE PEOPLE and actually PRACTICE real DEMOCRACY? Then you can have the right to point the finger at China because so far, your administration does not give human rights to religious freedom nor freedom of speech! Look at what is happening to you because of your little poem! For crying out loud it is just a poem, and it has caused threats and violence upon you and your family.
General Discussion / Re: Switzerland Leads the Free World in Friendship with China
« Last post by Tenzin K on March 24, 2017, 03:35:25 PM »
The fact that Tibet is within China can’t be denied. Whether Tibetan leadership or any other Tibetan agree it is the reality that must face. Keep bashing China to claim their freedom is definitely not working as we can see the result after so many years. China is growing stronger and we can see many other countries are befriending China for greater benefits. I totally agree with what has been shared by Ashok Rao.

After so long of seeking for freedom what had Tibetan leader achieve or even convince the world what they have done to protect or to provide better welfare for their people? The fund that they have gotten from the west how have it been properly used to support their own people? How after so many year the Tibetan leaders still unable to be self-sustain?

Switzerland moves to enforce all Tibetan resident in their country to identify as Chinese is just the mater of time and I believe other country will do the same in very soon of time. How long more to wait for Tibetan to gain what they dream for after so long of fight and it doesn’t seem to work by banging the hard way.

Looking at how the Tibetan leaders separate and ostracised their own people using religious practice such as Dorje Shugden already good enough to tell the world how can they be success in managing their country and people. Instead of uniting their people they spend more time and money to create so much materials to ban the practice and uses religious practice as the reason for the fall of Tibet. How ridiculous it can be but this is the truth. Who will support Tibet now when they took away the religious freedom from their people and at the same time shouting for freedom for their country.

I really hope the Tibetan leaders can really wake up and realise that time is no longer at their side and more and more countries leaders will join China. If the Tibetan leaders do not play smart now it will be too late.
General Discussion / Re: The Violence Against Lukar Jam Starts Now
« Last post by grandmapele on March 24, 2017, 06:58:35 AM »
This is intolerable. CTA cannot go around behaving like dictators. If they are unhappy with anyone for whatever reason, they send the gangsters to do the dirty job. Where is the democracy? Where is the freedom of speech? Where is the Human Rights?

I guess because they do not have a country, the rest of the world cannot be bothered to police them. And, because they are behaving so badly, no one wants to really be associated with them. Downward spiral of negativities.
General Discussion / Re: The Violence Against Lukar Jam Starts Now
« Last post by Ringo Starr on March 24, 2017, 02:59:35 AM »
Remember this?

State Oracle Nechung rebukes CTA top brass
[Monday, April 04, 2016 22:18]
By Tenzin Dharpo

DHARAMSHALA, April 4: In an atypical display of the Tibetan exile Administration and its more mystic affiliation, the top brass of the CTA has been reportedly reprimanded by the state oracle of Tibet Nechung Choegyal and the deity Tsering Chenga (Tashi Tseringma) for their conduct in the recently concluded general elections.

A prophecy letter on the official letterhead of Nechung Monastery condemns the “mishandling of the gift of democracy” besides the violation of the oaths taken by both Sikyong and the Speaker. The letter warned that the mismanagements could lead to negative consequences on His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s health and life and directed the two to offer apology to His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

The prophecy was made during a private audience of Nechung oracle and Tsering Chenga with the Tibetan PM, Speaker of the Tibetan Parliament and members of the 15th Tibetan parliament., the official CTA website described the meeting as a ceremony to pay tribute to “the oracles for their guidance and counsel in the successful completion of the current Kashag and the Tibetan Parliament-in-Exile”.

Lobsang Sangay better learn how to unite Tibetans rather then scatter them in the ten directions quick before something untoward happens. Karma is karma, you cannot hide.
General Discussion / Re: The Violence Against Lukar Jam Starts Now
« Last post by PrajNa on March 24, 2017, 01:10:39 AM »
I just went on Phayul and saw this news being posted there:

Lukar's car vandalized, says his family feel 'threatened by anti-social elements'
Phayul[Thursday, March 23, 2017 19:18]
By Tenzin Dharpo

DHARAMSHALA, MAR. 24: Tibetan writer and former Director of the Gu-Chu-Sum organization, Lukar Jam Atsok, who has been at the center of controversy and condemnation for an alleged troll against the Tibetan leader the Dalai Lama has said he and his family - his wife and two children - feel “threatened by anti- social elements”.

The statement from the man who was also one of the candidates for the last Tibetan general elections came after he found his car vandalized by unidentified miscreants last night near his rented house near Norbulingka institute in Sidhbari area here.

Lukar Jam and his wife Pema Choedon have filed a police complaint regarding the matter. In their complaint letter addressed to the Superintendent of Police, Kangra at Dharamsala, the couple appealed for a thorough investigation saying that “anti social elements fulfilling other party’s agendas may be active within the community.

The copies of the letter have been sent to SHO, Dharamshala Police station, the Indian Intelligence Bureau, as well as the Security Department of the exile Tibetan government (known officially as the Central Tibetan Administration).

Jam found out about his car’s broken windows early this morning after his neighbor informed him. In his complaint with attached pictures, Jam wrote that the windows and wind shield of his car was broken with a rock. Jam’s wife Pema Choedon wrote on her Facebook page that she was certain it was not a random act of vandalism or attempt at thievery. She also wrote that the “attack on property” was preceded by incidents when her husband was openly “challenged, warned of physical harm”. However, the family said that they suspected the culprit to be anti social elements within the (Tibetan) community although they have “no specific suspects”.

The former political prisoner was recently in the center of a much debated issue regarding his poem that many alleged made an undue reference to the Tibetan leader His Holiness the Dalia Lama. Earlier last month, Jam posted a eulogy dedicated to the late Tibetologist Prof. Elliot Sperling on his Facebook page. The English translation of the original Tibetan language post which was also posted on the same page stated, “Not out of loyalty, but speaking of your ethical courageous position, you (Elliot Sperling) are the one who should have lived for 113 years”. Although the post had not made any direct reference to the Tibetan leader, the post has since been condemned by many Tibetans and attracted comments, many critical of his view.

The Tibetan PM Lobsang Sangay on March 10 said, “Lukar’s remarks were objectionable and unfortunate. Such statements sow discord in the Tibetan community and gives reasons for adversaries to rejoice.” In the ongoing session of the Tibetan Parliament, PM Sangay said that Lukar Jam has a history of making denigrating remarks to the Tibetan leader. A lengthy discourse followed in the Tibetan parliament where opinions were divided on the issue.

Speaking to Phayul, Jam said, “I suspect the crime was perpetrated by someone who did not agree with my recent post or by an opportunistic agent of China aiming to plant discord within the Tibetan community. Either ways, the responsibility of the incident rests upon the CTA leadership who made public statements on the issue as well as individuals and proxy accounts online that created a ‘misunderstanding’ between him and the general public.” He also said he will leave the issue in the hands of the Indian law enforcement authorities.

Lukar Jam Atsok is a former Tibetan political prisoner who also served at the helm of the non-governmental organization Gu-Chu-Sum, a political as well as a welfare organization for former political prisoners, based in Dharamshala.

Earlier in 2016, he stood in the Tibetan general elections for the Prime Ministerial post of Central Tibetan Administration and was the sole candidate that stood for complete independence of Tibet as his core stand for the resolution of the Tibetan issue. During his campaign, he was alleged that he had made reference to the Tibetan leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama in poor light although he has denied it later.

General Discussion / Re: The Violence Against Lukar Jam Starts Now
« Last post by pemachen on March 24, 2017, 12:29:00 AM »
Just like what was mentioned in the article “Lukar Jam Fiasco Reveals Nature of Tibetan Democracy”, Lukar Jam’s experience of being targeted for penning a benign poem is not an isolated case. This too is exactly the reaction that Dorje Shugden practitioners receive from the Tibetan people.

I am sure we all remember reading about the attack on long-time assistant of His Holiness Trijang Rinpoche, Gen Chonze in Shar Gaden Monastery, Mundgod. Gen Chonze was already 84 years old and this was what the Tibetans will do to such a senior old monk who has harmed no one. The only reason he was attacked was because he practice Dorje Shugden, something that the Tibetan leadership doesn't agree with at that point of time.

The Tibetan leadership is known to vent out their anger and revenge in violence. Although outwardly they speak of democracy, unity, tolerance and acceptance, they contradict what they profess in how they treat those who dare to speak up and share a different point of view. For those who are not aware, this is the article:] [url][/url]

There was also the case where a large group of monks and lay people in Kalimpong who invaded Gaden Choling Monastery and attempted to seize it by force, showing utter disrespect and aggression towards the small community of Dorje Shugden lamas of Gaden Choling at a time when they have just lost a leader and someone very dear. The monastery was attacked for the 2nd time in less than 2 months! In the first attack, despite police attempts at mediation, they have refused to leave the premises.

[You can read more about the incidents here:

1st attack: UPDATED: Domo Geshe Rinpoche’s Monastery in Phedong Attacked!

Breaking News: 2nd Attack on Domo Geshe Rinpoche’s Monastery! ]

I am horrified that Sikyong Lobsang Sangay who won the re-election, has previously called for unity and “urged everyone to cease all election-related negative activities to restore harmony and fulfil the vision of His Holiness the Dalai Lama.” Now, he is openly attacking Sikyong candidate Lukar Jam who has done nothing to him.

No one in the Tibetan community will forget the unfair removal of Lukar Jam from participating in the final election, and now this. Some Tibetans have boycotted the election and refused to vote, one of which includes the former Sikyong candidate Lukar Jam himself. The first directly elected Prime Minister of the Tibetan Government-in-Exile, Samdhong Rinpoche himself has also refused to vote.

All these do not seem to make a difference in the Tibetan leadership and their unethical and unfair way of leading the administration. This is definitely not the government or administration one should put their trust in, an administration who attacked its own people, the very people they are supposed to protect. 
General Discussion / The Violence Against Lukar Jam Starts Now
« Last post by ShugdenProtector on March 23, 2017, 11:55:47 PM »
As we have suspected and expected of the typical Tibetan leadership, Lukar Jam is now being targeted by Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) and the VIOLENCE has started!!!

So again Dharamsala proves what kind of leadership they are. What Democracy?
Freedom of Expression - None!
Freedom of Speech - Forget it!

This is the reality folks... this is the REAL Tibetan leadership...
This is your Dharamsala...
This is how they have been operating for centuries...
Anyone who is found opposing their views and have a different opinion WILL BE OSTRACISED and TARGETED. ANY MEANS NECESSARY & ENCOURAGED.

Trust me, no MP is going speak up and ask the Tibetans attacking Lukar to stop. You just watch. If there is anyone, they will definitely be quickly asked to shut up. It is either that or expect war from within. 

Ask yourself WHY on earth did the Sikyong Dr. Lobsang Sangay bring up Mr. Lukar Jam's name on Tibetan Upraising Day of all days? Why even bring up his name just because of one poem he wrote? Holy cow, you can't even express your thoughts in a poem, just because it had a slight hint, that he wishes his good friend to live for 113 years and it gets blown out of proportion???!!! Full story told here...

Well, here are some pictures posted up on Mr. Lukar Jam's wife's FB as evidence that they are now targets of violence. Shugden brothers and sisters... this sure sound familiar hu?

Switzerland isn't the only country. Even USA is siding China now. When 11 embassies signed on to a joint letter criticizing China over “credible claims” that lawyers and human rights activists have been tortured while in detention, there were two notable abstentions. One was the 28-nation European Union, although some E.U. members signed on to the letter. The other was the United States.

The State Department’s Human Rights Report, released this month, accused China of a slew of human rights abuses, including: “arbitrary or unlawful deprivation of life, executions without due process, illegal detentions at unofficial holding facilities known as ‘black jails,’ torture and coerced confessions of prisoners, and detention and harassment of journalists, lawyers, writers, bloggers, dissidents, petitioners, and others whose actions the authorities deemed unacceptable.”

Nevertheless, the fact that Tillerson did not hold a news briefing to launch that report, as predecessors in his job have done, also left activists and politicians wondering whether the United States might be wavering.

“For 1st time in a long time @StateDept #humanrights report will not be presented by Secretary of State,” tweeted Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), a Republican member of the Foreign Relations Committee. “I hope they reconsider.”


US Declines To Join Letter Criticizing China On Human Rights

WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States has declined to join other countries in criticizing China about allegations of torture against human rights lawyers.

The U.K., Germany, Canada and eight others signed a letter raising concerns about lawyers and rights activists detained incommunicado for long periods. The letter urges China to investigate torture claims against lawyer Xie Yang and others.

The U.S. abstention comes as activists raise growing concerns that the Trump administration is de-emphasizing human rights in diplomacy. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson struck a conciliatory tone with China during a visit last week.

The State Department won’t say why the U.S. didn’t sign, who made the decision and whether the White House was involved. The State Department says the U.S. raises “serious” human rights concerns as part of “regular discussions” with China.

General Discussion / Re: Stasi Tenzin Peljor aka Michael Jäckel aka Mick Jackman
« Last post by pemachen on March 23, 2017, 11:22:20 PM »
This Stasi has done much damaged that he was 'featured' on some websites. Here are some quote just for your information. I do hope His Holiness can be informed about this fake monk, so that Tenzin Peljor doesn't use the opportunity to take picture with His Holiness, or get himself close to the Tibetan leadership to validate that he is a real monk, yet continue his work of defaming others online daily. It is sad that a monk like this is let loose and continues to harm people.

(From: New Kadampa Truth)

On Wikipedia he was the dominant editor for years, responsible for the weighted bias against the NKT on the articles: New Kadampa Tradition, Kelsang Gyatso, and Dorje Shugden. As kt66, he weaved his point of view throughout the article largely through spinning a supposed "neutral third-party source", a Lancaster university thesis by David Kay (who briefly attended NKT meditation classes in Lancaster), making Kay into the judge and jury of the NKT. These articles spread a lot of disinformation and pain while he was still their main editor. Many people have said they lost faith and many more have not tried out NKT meditation classes in the first place as a result of reading his version of Wikipedia and believing that, because it is an encyclopedia, Wikipedia must be neutral. Due to the introduction of reliable sources and facts, those articles have gradually become more neutral and balanced, but kt66 today still tries to use Wikipedia to push his own point of view. As can be seen on his own anti-Shugden websites and on various blogs (his own and others), Tenzin Peljor could not have a much lower opinion or a more extreme view of the NKT. His hostile views, though less strident, often appear disguised as passive aggression in Wikipedia, Amazon and elsewhere. When a number of independent reviewers looked at the article kt66 created, they concluded also that it violated NPOV (neutral point of view). Please see their comments here.

He has written hostile book reviews on Amazon. He wrote repeatedly to the BBC website and encouraged others to do so too, bombarding them with old articles (e.g. the Guardian article from 1996, long-since discredited as an unworthy piece of tabloid journalism from which no mud stuck) to tell them to include the word "cult" on their website. Eventually in one place they did add it even though there is no explanation of how or why the NKT is a cult and the rest of their description is fair and would seem to suggest the opposite, that the NKT is a time-honored Mahayana Buddhism tradition.

He posts almost daily under his different names (including just Mike or Michael) on different blogs and news outlets.

He boasts about how INFORM (an organization in Britain that tracks New Religious Movements) was writing a report against the NKT thanks to him getting people writing to them with their stories. He says he plans on posting this report all over the Internet. Luckily INFORM have been in communication with the NKT to reflect a more balanced viewpoint and have said they do not view the NKT as an NRM or cult. He has written in extensively to the Rick Ross cult forum to try and get the NKT indicted as a cult (and then disingenuously refers readers elsewhere to that forum).

(From Are Buddhist Racist)

Following his ordination by the Dalai Lama, Tenzin Peljor remained in India and began to assist the Tibetan government (CTA) with their disinformation campaign. He began by editing pages on Wikipedia, rapidly becoming the main editor for the page about the NKT.

In April 2008 another series of protests began as the Dalai Lama visited the US. In response to these Tenzin created two websites registered under an alias which according to him offered, "fair, neutral, and balanced information regarding NKT and Buddhist cults in general."

The websites were registered under the false name of Losang Tashi, to an address in Gotha, the town in East Germany where Tenzin was born. In a post on May 21st 2008 to the "survivors" group he said, "maybe we use the power of the many people here and the motivation to protect others (giving fearlesness) by setting up 1-2 websites."

Rather than offering fair or neutral information both websites were a continuation of his online campaign to undermine the protests by attempting to discredit the NKT. Had his intention been wholesome you would need to ask why a Buddhist monk with vows against lying was using a false name when registering websites?
The Dalai Lama is just trying to provoke China to react towards their Tibetan policy. It's a calculated move to showcase China as the 'bad boy' by further violating human rights and all that jazz. China is pissed and will continue to up the heat on any nation that continue to open their arms to the Dalai Lama. But they will do nothing to reopen dialogue with the Tibetan leadership. 

I have to agree to Big Uncle. It is again all politics and no improvement for the situation will be found for the Tibetan people in Tibet/China and outside of China.

All this time could be used to help the Tibetan situation and make their life better and integrate instead of waiting for a Free Tibet. The chances for Free Tibet are over, so much time has passed but nothing has been accomplished. Very sad but that's how it is.
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