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vajratruth

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The Negligent Buddhas
« on: December 13, 2012, 02:54:43 PM »
The Assumption

Let us consider for a moment that the 14th Dalai Lama is right about Dorje Shugden and let us assume that Dorje Shugden is:

•   An evil spirit that is harmful to the life of Tibetan’s Spiritual and Political Leader (which the Dalai Lama still was when the ban was imposed);
•   A corrupter of the Dharma and harmful to its practitioners;
•   Harmful to the Tibetan Cause and overall wellbeing of Tibetans.

These are very serious threats that has to be tackled with extreme prejudice. That being the case it becomes the duty of every single Tibetan - monk and layperson to take strong action against this demon (as the Dalai Lama is doing now) by terminating it or subduing it with whatever means, and completely eradicating its practice from the face of the earth.  But because this demon is not an ordinary being but a dangerous and dark supernatural force, it is beyond the ordinary person to combat it and fighting this demon therefore is a job for those trained in spiritual warfare i.e. the highly attained lamas who are emanations of the various Buddhas. And we are also told that Tibetan Buddhism is well armed with an arsenal of mystical and powerful rituals capable of countering evil forces and so there are effective ways to deal with a demon. There has always been.

Duty Under Oath

We can all agree that for the Sangha not to take immediate action against such a malevolent force and stop it from corrupting the Dharma, harming innocent lives and turning them away from the right path and ruining an entire nation known as keepers of the Buddha’s sacred teachings would be an act of callousness and negligence. It tantamount to the breaking of their vows.

The question then is this:

Why did an almost entire lineage of Dalai Lamas not do anything about a problem as serious as this? Why did the Great 5th Dalai Lama relent on subduing this demon and allow it to grow stronger and harm more lives? Instead of destroying this evil spirit, why did the 5th Dalai Lama build a grand temple for it and even wrote a praise for it which by that action misled people to think it is safe to indulge in the practice? Was the 5th Dalai Lama wrong?  Is it the 5th Dalai Lama’s fault?

Why did the 6th Dalai Lama right up to the 13th Dalai Lama not mount an aggressive crusade against the enemy of the Buddha’s Dharma and one who is hell-bent on destroying Tibet? The 6th to the 12th Dalai Lama did virtually nothing and the 11th Dalai Lama even enthroned it. Were they also wrong? Were 7 successive emanations of Avalokiteshvara fooled by a mere spirit from a small pond? Were they unable to tell the difference between a demon and a Buddha?

Why wasn’t the great and powerful 13th Dalai Lama, the present Dalai Lama’s predecessor more forceful in destroying or subduing a “dolgyal” and instead allowed the most influential lama of the time to get away and continue to spread an evil practice? Why didn’t the 13th Dalai Lama deal with Shugden conclusively? Was the Great 13th negligent? Or was he more concerned with political correctness, putting his own popularity above the purity of the Dharma and the interest of Buddhists under his keep?

Flawed Lineages

If the charges against Dorje Shugden is taken to be a fact, then this evil grew right from under the noses of 9 successive Dalai Lamas who were in fact Avalokiteshvara. It would seem that they stood by placidly and allowed the Buddha’s Dharma to be corrupted and in the process broke a good handful of their Bodhisattva vows. And if the Dalai Lama’s predecessors broke their Bodhisattva vows, then it means that the lineage is tainted and flawed which also means that the present Dalai Lama being the continuation of a flawed line, is also flawed. That begs the question, how then can the Dalai Lama be right when his roots are wrong?

And not only that, it also means that 9 Panchen Lamas who were in fact Amitabha Buddha were also wrong to neglect their duties to protect the Tibetan people and the Dharma because the evil spirit already very present and active during the years of those Panchen Lamas. They too broke their Bodhisattva vows if the Dalai Lama’s claim that Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit, which arose from the 5th Dalai Lama’s era, is taken to be a fact.

In addition, the Dalai Lama is also implying that 8 successive Karmapas have also made grievous errors in not acting against the demon and since the Karmapa is also the emanation of Avalokiteshvara, now the Buddha Of Compassion is doubly wrong.  By the Dalai Lama’s definition of Dorje Shugden not only as a national threat but also a threat to the Dharma none of the 8 Karmapas can be excused from taking appropriate action against an enemy of the Dharma by giving the reason that it was not a matter within their sect to handle. That would be like a police officer from one district standing by to watch a murderer do his evil deed because it was not his district to bother with. It doesn’t make sense for the Karmapas not to act, assuming the present Dalai Lama is right.

Can This Be Right?

I mean no disrespect whatsoever to His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the supreme and holy lineages of the Dalai Lama, the Panchen Lama and the Karmapa. But what the Dalai Lama accuses Dorje Shugden to be, and have been from the beginning, means that almost 400 years of incarnations of High Lamas who were and are also emanations of Buddhas failed in their duties of to uphold the Dharma and to care for the spiritual wellbeing of all sentient beings in those years and thereby failed in providing bodhicitta as well.

Seriously, how can that be? And yet, by implication this is what His Holiness’s actions against the practice of an Enlightened Protector means. The Dalai Lama is in effect saying he alone now is doing what should have been done hundreds of years ago. So what kind of Buddhism is anyone practicing today if an entire hierarchy of attained masters have been wrong for so long. What else is wrong? Either we are all practicing false Dharma or a serious error has been made about Dorje Shugden.

« Last Edit: December 13, 2012, 02:56:22 PM by vajratruth »

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Re: The Negligent Buddhas
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2012, 08:48:35 AM »
If for 350 years nobody could stop Dorje Shugden, how can it be stopped now? it is akin to saying that all the previous masters were not effective in their practice or rituals to get rid of Dorje Shugden. It would mean that in all 4-5 schools of Buddhism in Tibet, none of them had the power to get rid of Dorje Shugden even up to now, assuming that he was really that evil. If he is not, then he cannot be 'exorcized' at all because how does one exorcize a Buddha or an enlightened being taking the form of a tsen? The failure obviously indicates that Dorje Shugden is a Buddha, or that he is a really evil spirit, so evil that none of the eminent masters could get rid of him.

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Re: The Negligent Buddhas
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2012, 10:08:15 AM »
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Seriously, how can that be? And yet, by implication this is what His Holiness’s actions against the practice of an Enlightened Protector means. The Dalai Lama is in effect saying he alone now is doing what should have been done hundreds of years ago. So what kind of Buddhism is anyone practicing today if an entire hierarchy of attained masters have been wrong for so long. What else is wrong? Either we are all practicing false Dharma or a serious error has been made about Dorje Shugden.

Ensapa, you're hilarious and your logical analysis makes me laugh because that is precisely what the illogical CTA and Dalai Lama's office is saying to the world! I am glad you said it!!!

Basically we might as well turn to some other religions, forget about being Buddhist since everything thing is WRONG! Who can we really trust then???

Obviously the CTA will ignore everything you've mentioned and go on the broken record of Dorje Shugden is a demon, like small child refusing to hear logic and throws a huge tantrum for wanting to be right!

Unfortunately your logic will fall to death ears unless we all make sure this circulates... and it's such a blessing that this Ban is happening now, not like 20 years ago, because we have this thing call "Internet"... the Buddhas work in miraculous ways hu ;)

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Re: The Negligent Buddhas
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2012, 10:18:57 AM »
I take this quote from a previous discussed topic in the forum...

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Re: Must Watch Advice from HH Kyabje Zong Dorje Chang on Dorje Shugden

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1062.0

By logical debate, if these lineage lamas can be wrong, then the Dalai Lama could be manifesting wrong. Since Dalai Lama says they are wrong, he is 'allowing' to say he could be wrong by his disciples. Anyone and everyone could be wrong. If that is the case, it is very damaging for samaya. If all disciples from the time of the Buddha till now start thinking their gurus are wrong or could be wrong it drastically damages the balace of their practice. Dalai Lama has an extra advantage as he is the defacto ruler/king of Tibet, on a political basis, his commands must be obeyed. So although as a spiritual teacher, he could be 'wrong', you still cannot 'defy' his commands as your leader within the Tibetans or you are a traitor. Or better yet, a spy.

In actuality, the Tibetans should just keep quiet, quit making more schisms/divisions among their own communities, because without the Dalai Lama they will be on their own. Sadly, probably not make it very well either from the looks of things now. Tibetans are spoon fed by Dalai Lama/Tibetan govt IF THEY REJECT SHUGDEN AND AGREE WITH EVERY OTHER POLITICAL VIEWS RIGHT OR WRONG OF THEIR GOVT.

In guru yogas of Tara, Chenresig, Tsongkapa, Yamantaka, etc you have dissolve your guru daily into you. You meditate your mind and your lama's mind melds into one and therefore many supreme attainments arise. Many supreme attainments arise because your guru is unsurpassed and attained. Well if he's attained, he wouldn't make any mistakes? If you start thinking he can make mistakes, then you are dissolving a unattained ordinary person into your mindstream daily. What attainments can that bring?

Very dangerous and difficult route to traverse.
TK
 


Indeed and very very dangerous route to traverse. So basically it boils down to is The Dalai Lama "crazy" sorry to say and I do not mean any disrespect, or is His Holiness asking those who can think... to "THINK DEEPER and BIGGER"??? I believe it must be the 2nd one and based on all the advice given by His Holiness Trijang Dorje Change in His Bio.... it can only be so.


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Re: The Negligent Buddhas
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2012, 04:46:10 PM »
If for 350 years nobody could stop Dorje Shugden, how can it be stopped now? it is akin to saying that all the previous masters were not effective in their practice or rituals to get rid of Dorje Shugden. It would mean that in all 4-5 schools of Buddhism in Tibet, none of them had the power to get rid of Dorje Shugden even up to now, assuming that he was really that evil. If he is not, then he cannot be 'exorcized' at all because how does one exorcize a Buddha or an enlightened being taking the form of a tsen? The failure obviously indicates that Dorje Shugden is a Buddha, or that he is a really evil spirit, so evil that none of the eminent masters could get rid of him.

Ensapa, it does come down to only 2 possibilities i.e. either Dorje Shugden is really that powerful an evil spirit or he is a Buddha. I cannot see how Dorje Shugden can be evil because if he is, then those who practice him will also manifest evil and turn away from the Dharma and yet oceans of wisdom and kindness like Pabongkha Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche, Zong Rinpoche, Lama Yeshe, and Ganchen Rinpoche and many more who practiced him all their lives have shown nothing but compassion and so much love for the Dharma. The same goes for the contemporary Masters.

Even in the face of such intense and prolonged attack, Dorje Shugden through his oracle have had nothing bad to say about those who persecute him and has even instructed for his followers to keep supporting the Dalai Lama.

You cannot plant an onion and get cherries instead. Similarly you cannot plant evil in the minds of the Masters and for them to manifest goodness. It goes against every law in nature. Dorje Shugden lamas like Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche and so many erudite Masters have preferred to give up everything except the Dharma. To me, it says that they could not have been worshipping a demon because an enemy of the Dharma would not allow its practitioners to keep practicing it and spreading it.

When you have eliminated the impossibilities, the only possible explanation is as you said...Dorje Shugden is a Buddha. It is a pity so many Tibetans could not see that.

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Re: The Negligent Buddhas
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2012, 01:17:39 AM »
Ensapa, it does come down to only 2 possibilities i.e. either Dorje Shugden is really that powerful an evil spirit or he is a Buddha. I cannot see how Dorje Shugden can be evil because if he is, then those who practice him will also manifest evil and turn away from the Dharma and yet oceans of wisdom and kindness like Pabongkha Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche, Zong Rinpoche, Lama Yeshe, and Ganchen Rinpoche and many more who practiced him all their lives have shown nothing but compassion and so much love for the Dharma. The same goes for the contemporary Masters.

Even in the face of such intense and prolonged attack, Dorje Shugden through his oracle have had nothing bad to say about those who persecute him and has even instructed for his followers to keep supporting the Dalai Lama.

You cannot plant an onion and get cherries instead. Similarly you cannot plant evil in the minds of the Masters and for them to manifest goodness. It goes against every law in nature. Dorje Shugden lamas like Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche and so many erudite Masters have preferred to give up everything except the Dharma. To me, it says that they could not have been worshipping a demon because an enemy of the Dharma would not allow its practitioners to keep practicing it and spreading it.

When you have eliminated the impossibilities, the only possible explanation is as you said...Dorje Shugden is a Buddha. It is a pity so many Tibetans could not see that.

I do also believe strongly that the anti Dorje Shugden Lamas that are showing it openly i.e Dagom Rinpoche, Sakya Trinzin and Dalai Lama are also doing this as part of their role in the illusory play where they pretend to be going against the Dorje Shugden because you do not see them getting negative repercussions. Dagom Rinpoche made a statue of Dorje Drollo stepping on Dorje Shugden and even produced anti-Shugden chakras and amulets, but his reincarnation came back anyhow (and it seems they have quieted down on this activity) because if it was not part of a bigger picture and they're doing it due to their own vendettas, they would have reap negative repercussions.