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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2018, 12:07:10 PM »
Yes of late the Dalai Lama, has been talking a lot about returning to Tibet.

After 60 years the Tibetan diaspora hasn't done so well, in the international scene or even in India. Also there are no new refugees going to India anymore to join up with the Tibetan so better to head back.

Also whilst the Tibetans are in India, a lot of issues have cropped up, Dorje Shugden Issue, Two Karmapas, Drukpa vs Karma Kagyu..... etc. Provincial difference U-Tsang, Amdo, Kham rivalries have flared up as well. So as a whole the Tibetan people in exile are not doing well at all being out of Tibet etc.   

Time for the Tibetan Long March back to Tibet.


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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2018, 10:18:18 PM »
After 60 years in exile, the Tibetan leadership has not brought any good for the Tibetans, what they have is scandal after scandal. The Tibetans are still refugees, they don't have a proper traveling document. They don't have the privilege of a citizen of a country.

But look at the Tibetans in China, under the ruling of the Chinese government, they have so much progress. Their living condition and standard of living are definitely better than before when they were still under the Tibetan leadership. There is no more slavery system, everyone has the same opportunity in terms of education and work opportunity. Many of them are successful in different industries be it in business, entertainment or arts.

So it is definitely better to go back to China! China has the resources to provide the Tibetans what they need and can provide them a better standard of living. The Chinese government is also helping the Tibetan to preserve their heritage. What the CTA cannot do for the Tibetans, China will be able to provide. So why still stay as a refugee in India? It is better to go back to China.

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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2018, 04:43:38 AM »
After 60 years in exile, the Tibetan leadership has not brought any good for the Tibetans, what they have is scandal after scandal. The Tibetans are still refugees, they don't have a proper traveling document. They don't have the privilege of a citizen of a country.

But look at the Tibetans in China, under the ruling of the Chinese government, they have so much progress. Their living condition and standard of living are definitely better than before when they were still under the Tibetan leadership. There is no more slavery system, everyone has the same opportunity in terms of education and work opportunity. Many of them are successful in different industries be it in business, entertainment or arts.

So it is definitely better to go back to China! China has the resources to provide the Tibetans what they need and can provide them a better standard of living. The Chinese government is also helping the Tibetan to preserve their heritage. What the CTA cannot do for the Tibetans, China will be able to provide. So why still stay as a refugee in India? It
is better to go back to China.


Yes, what you say is true! See how China is allowing Tibetan women to grow in their capacity and freedom to interact with learning from other countries. This is only a small part of what China is doing for the Tibetans. If CTA was caring, then they would work with China to help their people.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1124247.shtml

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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2018, 10:11:12 PM »
After 60 years in exile, the Tibetan leadership has not brought any good for the Tibetans, what they have is scandal after scandal. The Tibetans are still refugees, they don't have a proper traveling document. They don't have the privilege of a citizen of a country.

But look at the Tibetans in China, under the ruling of the Chinese government, they have so much progress. Their living condition and standard of living are definitely better than before when they were still under the Tibetan leadership. There is no more slavery system, everyone has the same opportunity in terms of education and work opportunity. Many of them are successful in different industries be it in business, entertainment or arts.

So it is definitely better to go back to China! China has the resources to provide the Tibetans what they need and can provide them a better standard of living. The Chinese government is also helping the Tibetan to preserve their heritage. What the CTA cannot do for the Tibetans, China will be able to provide. So why still stay as a refugee in India? It
is better to go back to China.


Yes, what you say is true! See how China is allowing Tibetan women to grow in their capacity and freedom to interact with learning from other countries. This is only a small part of what China is doing for the Tibetans. If CTA was caring, then they would work with China to help their people.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1124247.shtml


What you say is correct. China is a progressive country, they want to give equal opportunity to their people regardless of their genders. They want everyone to contribute to the economy of the country. Therefore, the Chinese government also put their focus to empower women in different areas.

There are so many opportunities for the Tibetans now if they work hard, they will get what they want. In China, there are many Tibetan entertainers who are successful and famous. In contrary, we don't really see many famous or successful Tibetans in the Tibetan community.

Another thing we have to be aware of is the CTA can't even manage 100,000 to 120,000 Tibetans in exile, how confident are they to manage the 6 million Tibetans in China? Personally, I don't trust the CTA.  I would rather pack up and go back to China.

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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2018, 11:20:49 PM »

What you say is correct. China is a progressive country, they want to give equal opportunity to their people regardless of their genders. They want everyone to contribute to the economy of the country. Therefore, the Chinese government also put their focus to empower women in different areas.

There are so many opportunities for the Tibetans now if they work hard, they will get what they want. In China, there are many Tibetan entertainers who are successful and famous. In contrary, we don't really see many famous or successful Tibetans in the Tibetan community.

Another thing we have to be aware of is the CTA can't even manage 100,000 to 120,000 Tibetans in exile, how confident are they to manage the 6 million Tibetans in China? Personally, I don't trust the CTA.  I would rather pack up and go back to China.


Definitely, should go back. After all, what can be worse than living in the hovel of the camps, dependent on CTA's miserly dole out. I would advise them to hurry too. If CTA were to broker the deal to return to China, I wonder if they will placed into camps again, to be rehabilitated with China's doctrines before released into society. China will be monitoring very tightly for any signs of rebellion as CTA is not exactly clean in being docile. Until now CTA is going against the Dalai Lama's wishes to go back to China by bad-mouthing China to everyone they meet and publicly. And they said they support the Dalai Lama?? No.....they are Anti-Dalai Lama for the continue supply of money into their retirement funds.

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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2018, 02:22:17 PM »
The Fifth World Buddhist Forum




The Fifth World Buddhist Forum is held from Oct. 28 to 30 in the coastal city of Putian in east China's Fujian Province. About 800 people, including Chinese and overseas Buddhists, scholars and journalists are attending the event.

The forum emphasizes the positive roles of religious people in economic and social development, the Belt and Road Initiative and the building of a community with a shared future for mankind. This year's event is covering ten subforums, covering topics such as Buddhism and marine silk road, Buddhism and environmental protection, Buddhism and a community with a share future for mankind. Jointly proposed by Buddhist communities in Chinese mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macao in 2005, the World Buddhist Forum was established as a platform for Buddhists to communicate and cooperate.

Prominent Lamas like Panchen Lama, Gangchen Rinpoche are attending this event.




Pictures of Lamas and Dorje Shugden lamas gathering in China for Buddhist conference. In the video is Kundeling Rinpoche speaking at this conference where over 800 Buddhist teachers, students and thinkers from around the world attended in China.

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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2018, 02:29:12 PM »
Sooner or later, the Dalai Lama has to beg China to let him and his people back into Tibet. Because he is getting very old and it's been 60 years in exile and he has made no progress with getting Tibet back. Tibetans will get diluted in India over time and there is no way to preserve their culture. Tibetans around the world find their children are diluted within their host country's culture and losing their Tibetan culture as with all refugees.

Dalai Lama has made many wrong decisions and thought that the world will support him because he is morally correct but guess what? No one is supporting him anymore. He is alone and getting more and more alone.

China is too powerful and the prestige is growing.

More Tibetans and lamas going back to Tibet so they can preserve their culture in Tibet and meet their relatives and friends
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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2018, 05:54:35 PM »
The Buddha Dharma also can be better preserved under the might of China, than it can be in India.

Remember Buddhism was extinguished once before previously in India. In China all spirituality at one point was suppressed, no faith was particularly singled out for suppression. 

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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2018, 01:25:40 AM »
Sooner or later, the Dalai Lama has to beg China to let him and his people back into Tibet. Because he is getting very old and it's been 60 years in exile and he has made no progress with getting Tibet back. Tibetans will get diluted in India over time and there is no way to preserve their culture. Tibetans around the world find their children are diluted within their host country's culture and losing their Tibetan culture as with all refugees.

Dalai Lama has made many wrong decisions and thought that the world will support him because he is morally correct but guess what? No one is supporting him anymore. He is alone and getting more and more alone.

China is too powerful and the prestige is growing.

More Tibetans and lamas going back to Tibet so they can preserve their culture in Tibet and meet their relatives and friends
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His Holiness the Dalai Lama is already half begging now. He kept on repeating that he wants to go back to Tibet and Tibet is good to be under China. He had mentioned this on several events and several different occasions. Seems like he is getting desperate as the time goes by.

Of course, it is better for Tibetans to return to Tibet because it is where they came from. China has been investing in Tibet with millions to build roads and airport. They also initiated works to preserve the ancient religious sites and monasteries. They even funded the monastery. This is incredible because they are an Atheist government.

His Holiness the Dalai Lama is now 83 years old and he has not much time left for him. He has to make sure that he is able to return to China before he passes away to secure the welfare of the Tibetans in Exile. It is quite sad because it is quite a burden on the shoulders of an old man. The CTA is totally useless, instead of helping out the situation, they are making it worst.

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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2018, 05:41:02 PM »
The Fifth World Buddhist Forum




The Fifth World Buddhist Forum is held from Oct. 28 to 30 in the coastal city of Putian in east China's Fujian Province. About 800 people, including Chinese and overseas Buddhists, scholars and journalists are attending the event.

The forum emphasizes the positive roles of religious people in economic and social development, the Belt and Road Initiative and the building of a community with a shared future for mankind. This year's event is covering ten subforums, covering topics such as Buddhism and marine silk road, Buddhism and environmental protection, Buddhism and a community with a share future for mankind. Jointly proposed by Buddhist communities in Chinese mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macao in 2005, the World Buddhist Forum was established as a platform for Buddhists to communicate and cooperate.

Prominent Lamas like Panchen Lama, Gangchen Rinpoche are attending this event.




Pictures of Lamas and Dorje Shugden lamas gathering in China for Buddhist conference. In the video is Kundeling Rinpoche speaking at this conference where over 800 Buddhist teachers, students and thinkers from around the world attended in China.

This is such a clear sign of China's acceptance of DS Lamas and how the Dalai Lama should really resolve the issue of DS ban to work with these eminent Lamas for the chance to return home to Tibet. China will not heed or concede to CTA who creates propaganda against China for sponsorship monies. So it is left to the DS Lamas who have the ability to help the Dalai Lama in negotiations with China. Such a nice heartwarming sight to see all the great Lamas and Sangha together without discrimination and so warm towards each other. The Panchen Lama gets on well with them too. Thank you for sharing these pictures Thaimonk. Always nice to see Sangha gathering.

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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2018, 07:53:59 PM »
The Fifth World Buddhist Forum




The Fifth World Buddhist Forum is held from Oct. 28 to 30 in the coastal city of Putian in east China's Fujian Province. About 800 people, including Chinese and overseas Buddhists, scholars and journalists are attending the event.

The forum emphasizes the positive roles of religious people in economic and social development, the Belt and Road Initiative and the building of a community with a shared future for mankind. This year's event is covering ten subforums, covering topics such as Buddhism and marine silk road, Buddhism and environmental protection, Buddhism and a community with a share future for mankind. Jointly proposed by Buddhist communities in Chinese mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macao in 2005, the World Buddhist Forum was established as a platform for Buddhists to communicate and cooperate.

Prominent Lamas like Panchen Lama, Gangchen Rinpoche are attending this event.




Pictures of Lamas and Dorje Shugden lamas gathering in China for Buddhist conference. In the video is Kundeling Rinpoche speaking at this conference where over 800 Buddhist teachers, students and thinkers from around the world attended in China.

Thank you, Thai monk, for sharing that with us. It is heartwarming to see His Holiness the Panchen Lama and Gangchen Rinpoche is attending World Buddhist Forum and that means that there is true religious freedom in China and the government of China supports that too. How nice to see Dorje Shugden people attending forums without being discriminated.

This is what happened before CTA imposes a ban on Dorje Shugden practice. Everybody gets along and there is no problem with Dorje Shugden practice for 350 years. After CTA had announced the ban, the community is being separated into 2 and Dorje Shugden practitioners are being segregated and discriminated. This is what the ban had done to the once peaceful and happy community.

The ban had caused alot of suffering and pain unnecessarily and it is certainly not contributing anything to the Buddhist community. All the ban does is creating more pain and suffering and the worst part of the ban is that the reasons that supporting the ban is not even true. They are lies created by CTA just to serve their own selfish purpose.

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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2018, 07:50:17 AM »
The Fifth World Buddhist Forum




The Fifth World Buddhist Forum is held from Oct. 28 to 30 in the coastal city of Putian in east China's Fujian Province. About 800 people, including Chinese and overseas Buddhists, scholars and journalists are attending the event.

The forum emphasizes the positive roles of religious people in economic and social development, the Belt and Road Initiative and the building of a community with a shared future for mankind. This year's event is covering ten subforums, covering topics such as Buddhism and marine silk road, Buddhism and environmental protection, Buddhism and a community with a share future for mankind. Jointly proposed by Buddhist communities in Chinese mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macao in 2005, the World Buddhist Forum was established as a platform for Buddhists to communicate and cooperate.

Prominent Lamas like Panchen Lama, Gangchen Rinpoche are attending this event.




Pictures of Lamas and Dorje Shugden lamas gathering in China for Buddhist conference. In the video is Kundeling Rinpoche speaking at this conference where over 800 Buddhist teachers, students and thinkers from around the world attended in China.

It is nice to see the Chinse government is supporting Buddhism and giving many opportunities for many Buddhist masters to spread Dharma in China. The Chinese government has provided a very good learning environment and condition for the 11th Panchen Lama. At such a young age of 28 years old, the 11th Panchen Lama already has the qualification and charisma to command the crowd and to give teachings.

The photo of Gangchen Rinpoche holding hands with the Panchen Lama is quite heartwarming. Gangchen Rinpoche has helped to raise a lot of fund for Sera monastery in India. But after the ban was imposed, he was not welcome to the monastery anymore simply because he did not want to give up Dorje Shugden practice. His close connection with China also causes him some troubles. He is often called a Chinese spy or a traitor to the Dalai Lama.

But for the past 20 years, Gangchen Rinpoche has not made any political statements at all. He is very focused on doing his Dharma works, he did not criticise anyone. So how can he be a spy? He has contributed so much to the monastery prior to the ban but people just forget about it conveniently.

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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2019, 05:51:12 AM »
It is definitely better to return to China. The lives of the Tibetans in China is so much better than those in India. The facilities in Lhasa are so modern, there are hospitals, schools, universities, houses and infrastructure built for them. There are programs launched by the Chinese government to help them to improve their lives. Tibetan language is still widely used and can be learned in the schools.

The Chinese government did not take away the rights of the Tibetans to learn and speak their own language and to preserve their culture. The Tibetans are given the religious freedom to practice what they want as long as it does not impose a threat to the national security. The CTA on the other hand, even though claim themselves to be democratic, they don't give religious freedom to the Dorje Shugden practitioners.

After 60 years of ruling under the CTA, why did the Tibetans get? If the CTA is a good leader, the number of Tibetans supporting the free Tibet movement should increase, how come we don't see more freedom fighters? If there is hope in the Free Tibet movement, why are there so many Tibetans migrating to the US and Europe and many CTA members hold a passport of another country?

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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2019, 11:47:01 AM »
I fully support Tibetans to return to China after seeing 60 years of leadership from the CTA. After six decades of living with the status of refugee in India, it seems like the Tibetan community did not improve much from 60 years ago when they first arrived in India. There is still absolutely no progress with the Tibetan cause.

Over the 60 years, they are living in India, the Tibetan leadership received many donations internationally as well as from India. India had given them alot of resources and aids as well. The number of donations they receive annual can be easily over hundreds of millions. However, Tibetans in exile are still the same. I do not think any of the donations actually reached the hands of the Tibetans in exile.

The Tibetan leadership is renowned for their corruption and Mr Lobsang Sagnay has several properties in foreign countries that were being paid off rather quickly raised alot of suspicion. Tibetans will not go anywhere with that kind of government that they have currently. If they go back to China, they will be much better off because China has proven themselves to be better in handling Tibet.

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« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2019, 08:21:15 AM »
I fully support Tibetans to return to China after seeing 60 years of leadership from the CTA. After six decades of living with the status of refugee in India, it seems like the Tibetan community did not improve much from 60 years ago when they first arrived in India. There is still absolutely no progress with the Tibetan cause.

Over the 60 years, they are living in India, the Tibetan leadership received many donations internationally as well as from India. India had given them alot of resources and aids as well. The number of donations they receive annual can be easily over hundreds of millions. However, Tibetans in exile are still the same. I do not think any of the donations actually reached the hands of the Tibetans in exile.

The Tibetan leadership is renowned for their corruption and Mr Lobsang Sagnay has several properties in foreign countries that were being paid off rather quickly raised alot of suspicion. Tibetans will not go anywhere with that kind of government that they have currently. If they go back to China, they will be much better off because China has proven themselves to be better in handling Tibet.

I agree with you that the Tibetans should return to China. The way the CTA treats the Tibetans is just like in the old days, the Tibetans are slaves to them to help them make money, there is no welfare for the Tibetans. The CTA exploits the Tibetans by making them remain as refugees in order to enjoy the free money and benefits from the west and some international NGO.

There is a reason why the Tibetan government in exile is downgraded to an administration. They have not done anything a government should be doing. For example, education. After 60 years, they only managed to establish secondary schools but no university or higher learning institution. On the other hand, China has established higher learning institutions in Tibet where everyone gets the same opportunities to enroll to study.

China has managed their country well and has provided not just the basic but more to the people. If the Tibetans are smart, they should go back to China because the future is brighter. It is time they realise the CTA is only using them for money.