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Rowntree

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It is better to return to Tibet, China
« on: May 30, 2018, 06:48:03 AM »
More reasons for Tibetans to return to China. There is so much development in recent years in the Tibet Autonomous Region to lift Tibetans out of poverty. They continue to build facilities to boost tourism in Tibet and to bring more income for the Tibetans including a themed post office for tourists at the foot of Mount Kangrinboqe and a sacred pilgrimage place in Buddhism and Hinduism, in Ngari Prefecture.

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Tibet opens themed post office for tourists

LHASA, May 29 (Xinhua) -- Tibet has opened a themed post office for tourists at the foot of Mount Kangrinboqe in Ngari Prefecture, local government said Tuesday.

The post office, at a cost of 800,000 yuan (about 125,000 U.S. dollars), provides tourists with stamps, cultural and creative products and souvenirs.

Mount Kangrinboqe is sacred in Buddhism and Hinduism. The mountain and Mapam Yumco, a lake about 20 km from the mountain, attract a large number of tourists each year.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-05/29/c_137215238.htm
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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2018, 07:34:32 PM »
Wow, definitely there will be more progress in Tibet, China and no way this would have happened if it was under the CTA's ruling because 50% of the money will go into Sangay and his cronies' pockets! Sorry but giving Tibet back for them to govern would be a huge disaster, they might as well start resigning already.

China has its bad points too, no doubt, but if Tibetans were smart, and the smart one will know, how to adjust back and find a way to preserve their culture, which I believe the Chinese government are actually happy to fund and restore and help revive as they have done so to historical monasteries and places in Tibet. So as long as you know how to deal with the Chinese, there is more to gain then loose. It is all a matter of how tactful on is. Just stop antagonizing China.

You know what they say...  "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". Be smart already and work to unite all Tibetans so you can truly preserve one culture and especially Buddhism. The motivation should be to spread Buddhism and I think that is what the Dalai Lama is trying to do to salvage the situation now. This is a good strategy!

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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2018, 06:37:05 AM »
There is no doubt in my mind that the opportunities that the Tibetans have in Tibet are worth moving back. Instead of being dependent on the CTA or Central Tibetan Administration in Dharamsala, with the option to sell sweaters, Tibet brings them home, close to their families and with religious freedom and ways to make a living on their own.

Times have definitely changed!

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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2018, 06:29:56 PM »
It's better for Tibet to remain with China. Given CTA's track record, I don't think they can sustain the country on their own even if it's handed back to them on a silver platter.

CTA has marginalised their own citizens based on religious practice and this will not go down very well with international relations. NO country would want to be seen supporting a country with its own brand of democracy where the government is undemocratically discriminating their own citizens and suppressing their religious freedom.
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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2018, 10:48:57 PM »
It's better for Tibet to remain with China. Given CTA's track record, I don't think they can sustain the country on their own even if it's handed back to them on a silver platter.

CTA has marginalised their own citizens based on religious practice and this will not go down very well with international relations. NO country would want to be seen supporting a country with its own brand of democracy where the government is undemocratically discriminating their own citizens and suppressing their religious freedom.

Maybe that is why the Dalai Lama is wanting to return back to Tibet and pushing hard on Umaylam. He knows that there is no way the CTA is capable of running a country. Look they can't even run a couple of thousands exile community in India! And instead of uniting the people, they split them up further.

The Tibetan leadership has clearly taken advantage and abused its power given to them by the Dalai Lama. And since it was given to them by the Dalai Lama, only the Dalai Lama can take it back, without making them lose face. And what better way than to return to Tibet-China, where religious freedom is actually implemented.

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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2018, 01:10:18 PM »
The Dalai Lama has a big vision and cares about the Tibetans very much, although it may look otherwise with his ban on Dorje Shugden and various controversies surrounding him. The Tibetan refugees are Tibetans afterall, they are meant to be in Tibet. Going back to Tibet is only logical. Now that China is rising and has proven to be capable in lifting Tibetans out of poverty, she is definitely capable in doing more for the Tibetans. Going back can only be beneficial.

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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2018, 09:21:04 PM »
CTA always says the Chinese government tries to integrate Tibetans into the Chinese Han culture, they don't allow Tibetans to use their own language and slowly Tibetan will lose their cultural and spiritual identity. I found this is not true at all.

2 years ago I went to Tibet for a tour, the Tibetan language is still widely used and spoken. All the signs are bilingual, Tibetan and Chinese. Children learn Tibetan in school and they are still allowed to wear their traditional clothing. Temples are allowed to perform ritual ceremonies. I saw the development in Tibet is much better and advanced than in the Tibetan Settlements in India.

If Tibetans are wise, they should go back to Tibet, don't believe CTA anymore. They are not capable of doing anything good for the Tibetans.

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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2018, 07:54:26 AM »
CTA always says the Chinese government tries to integrate Tibetans into the Chinese Han culture, they don't allow Tibetans to use their own language and slowly Tibetan will lose their cultural and spiritual identity. I found this is not true at all.

2 years ago I went to Tibet for a tour, the Tibetan language is still widely used and spoken. All the signs are bilingual, Tibetan and Chinese. Children learn Tibetan in school and they are still allowed to wear their traditional clothing. Temples are allowed to perform ritual ceremonies. I saw the development in Tibet is much better and advanced than in the Tibetan Settlements in India.

If Tibetans are wise, they should go back to Tibet, don't believe CTA anymore. They are not capable of doing anything good for the Tibetans.

What the CTA fails to tell us is that they have forced Tibetans in exile to migrate to the West. These Tibetans give birth to their next generation there and their next generation has no knowledge of their culture, do not speak, read or write the Tibetan language. They are just Tibetans on the outside.

Those remained in India are not passionate about the Tibet cause. They have no intention to return to Tibet nor have they any urge for the Dalai Lama to return. They do not share the same sentiment as the older Tibetans who see His Holiness as the king and treated him like a living god.

This is the sad situation the CTA has created. Perhaps this why His Holiness has expressed his wish, especially in recent years, that he wishes to return to Tibet. China is the only country in the world that is preserving the Tibetan culture including their religion and languages.


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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2018, 11:35:48 PM »
Frankly speaking, there is no future for the Tibetans in #India. They would have to assimilate with the Indians and become Indian citizens. If they would like to preserve their identity and culture, their best bet is to return to their homeland. China has invested millions to preserve and promote Tibetan culture and make sure that the effort is sustainable with sound business plan and the steady stream of income from tourism.

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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2018, 03:01:41 AM »
The opportunities that have been created by the Chinese in Tibet are far better now. The Tibetans can really benefit from the infrastructure that is at everyone's disposition.

The Tibetans should embrace the new situation and make Tibet a beneficial place for everyone, Tibetans and Chinese. The CTA should encourage peace amongst the Tibetans and improve the relationship between everyone. This is the purpose of a leadership, or government, to improve the situation of their people, isn't it?

 

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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2018, 09:16:41 PM »

The following article is another indication that there is no future for Tibetan refugees in Tibet if you wish to maintain your status as Tibetans.

For the Central Tibetan Administration, the dwindling Tibetan population in India is a disaster because they have been using these refugees as pawns to appeal for multi-million dollars donation from their donors. Now, if there are not many people to help anymore, they cannot justify the amount that they requested from their donors.


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The dilemma facing a dwindling Tibetan population in India


In addition to the deteriorating political situation inside Tibet, a new woe facing Tibetans in exile particularly in India is its shrinking population. Propelled by a low birth rate and a high rate of immigration to foreign countries, the Tibetan population in India is going through a rapid decline.

No exact figures are available of the Tibetan diaspora in the early years of exile, as the key focus of the Tibetan administration then was on the rehabilitation of the refugees. However, a 2009 census conducted by the Planning Commission of the Central Tibetan Administration, revealed that the Tibetan diaspora numbers just about 128,000 with major concentrations in India, Nepal and Bhutan. The number is now estimated to have reached around 150,000 since then.

Since 1959, the Tibetan community in exile have seen tremendous economic and educational growth under the visionary leadership of His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

However, with the growth of modern education in exile, opportunities arose for immigration to developed nations in the west as well as ideas of compact family planning. Partly as a result of such developments, the Tibetan population in India saw a massive decline. So much so that recent reports indicated schools having just a few students enrolled in classes. The situation in Tibetan monasteries is even more telling as monks and nuns from Buddhist Himalayan regions started outnumbering Tibetans.

The dwindling population of Tibetan students in schools and monks and nuns in monasteries could also be due to increased restrictions imposed on Tibetans inside Tibet, limiting the flow of Tibetans fleeing into exile. Newly arrived Tibetans have long been a major source of human resource for Tibetan schools and monasteries, once considered bastions of the Tibetan community in exile.

The decline in population of Tibetans in India also has another alarming implication. It threatens the sustainability of the Tibetan settlements, as land is rapidly becoming a premium asset in India.

One other reason for the decline in Tibetan birthrate in India can be attributed to inflation. Coupled with the increase in living costs and the stinging cost of college education in India, expenses became a serious deterrent to raising children.

Consequently, during the second special general meeting of Tibetans organised by the 14th Kashag in 2012, delegates identified dwindling population as one of the pressing issues. As a result, a resolution was passed calling for measures to boost Tibetan population.

Subsequently, in efforts to combat the declining population of Tibetan exiles and its numerous underlying implications the CTA rolled out various initiatives and incentives for families with more than three children. Initiatives included free schooling and college scholarship, free healthcare, medical coverage for mother and child under both traditional and allopathic medicine, free immunization and vaccinations, awareness campaigns on healthy deliveries, financial aids, etc.

The dwindling Tibetan population also found expressions of concerns by the Tibetan spiritual leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama. His Holiness (albeit in jest) urges Tibetan youngsters and parents to do their bit for the Tibetan cause by increasing the Tibetan population. He made a similar remark during a private audience with a delegation of Tibetan Women’s association in 2014.

It is understandable that an institutional intervention is needed to address the growing predicament facing Tibetan people and the Tibetan freedom struggle. A robust Tibetan population will not only engender the continuation of the Tibetan race but will ensure effective preservation of Tibetan culture and language, which is facing perilous destruction in occupied Tibet.

However, the success of these drives by the CTA, is contingent upon the sense of conviction and shouldering of responsibility by every individual Tibetans. As global citizens, Tibetans very much like the rest of humanity are entitled to reproductive rights, but when reproducing dons a responsible avatar and a fulfillment further the Tibetan cause, the public, as in any proper democracy, must exercise agency. Tibetans from across the spectrum must ensure that the insoluble dilemma facing the dwindling Tibetan population is solved.

http://tibet.net/2018/06/the-dilemma-facing-a-dwindling-tibetan-population-in-india/

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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2018, 07:04:42 PM »
This new article http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/jayadeva-ranades-insightful-observation-on-dalai-lamas-declining-situation/ is a very powerful one. It analyses the CTA's situation and concluded the Dalai Lama going back to Tibet, China is the way to go. I agree because there is no way the Tibetans will be able to preserve their cultural heritage and live without much surveillance if His Holiness continues to live in exile. The CCP knew about this very well and would very much like to have His Holiness back because of the most effective way to control Tibetans is to have His Holiness' cooperation. The Chinese and His Holiness' representative is believed to have been on constant negotiations for His Holiness to return. A clear sign was the trip Prof. Samdhong Rinpoche made to China without the Indian's consent that he denied.

It is only logical for the Tibetans to be returning to Tibet. The CTA to be abolished and His Holiness returns to Tibet and retired from the Tibet issue once and for all.

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Re: It is better to return to Tibet, China
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2018, 08:49:36 PM »
Listening to the news nowadays I believe that the Dalai Lama encourages the Tibetans to go back to Tibet also.  I believe that with the quote: “…Europe belongs to Europeans” and that ultimately refugees should “develop their own country”, the Dalai Lama states exactly this.

The Free Tibet movement is over as the Dalai Lama said clearly that the Tibetans have the choice to become a beggar or ask money from China:

"Do you want money or not? Do we prefer a free Tibet but we become beggars (poor) or do we prefer to stay in an autonomous zone under China? That way, if we ask China for money, they will give."

Continue reading here: Dalai Lama advocates Tibetans’ return to China to capitalize on China’s prosperity  http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/dalai-lama-advocates-tibetans-return-to-china-to-capitalize-on-chinas-prosperity/

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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2018, 06:00:54 PM »
All the words from the Dalai Lama had been towards going back to China and eventually to Tibet. The Dalai Lama is already old and if going by the news, may have cancer. Won't it be compassionate to just fulfill his wish to go back. Why is CTA so anti-Dalai Lama? Are they going to treat the Dalai Lama as Chinese spy since his intention has been made so clear for the whole world. Will CTA start propaganda against the Dalai Lama since he is pro-China now? See, Dorje Shugden has not harmed anyone or any causes at all. In fact, DS Lamas and practitioners are in the good position to fulfill Dalai Lama's wishes. Of course that is if the ban on Dorje Shugden is lifted, right??!!. We can't have the Dalai Lama who instigated the ban on Dorje Shugden in to China without conditions right??!! ;)

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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2018, 04:48:34 AM »
Dalai Lama has said that He wishes to return to Tibet. With his clairvoyance, it is obviously time to return to Tibet, China.

However are there competent members of CTA that can negotiate to have China accept the return of Tibetans who have grown up abroad and may not have the ability to assimilate into the environment of the current modern Tibet and opportunities in Tibet under China's guiding hand.

Being a Tibetan in China, besides economic advantages, there are also great social advantages.  Take for instance, Tibetans in exile are under great duress to secure passports from western countries or to gain Indian citizenship. Chinese passports which are held by Tibetans in China have great value for accessibilities into countries of the world.

Like in the Ban on Dorje Shugden, CTA have erred in their vision and mission but it is not too late to make amends.

Pray CTA will wake up and realise that the ban on Dorje Shugden and all their fears of China should removed in order to benefit Tibetans on the whole.