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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2018, 09:59:16 PM »

Preposterous, isn't it? I do agree with you. It is strange that the Dalai Lama indicates his acceptance of the Chinese chosen 11th Panchen Lama and then remained silent since. Well maybe he keeps quiet to pacify the group that had been demanding for the release of the Panchen Lama chosen by the Dalai Lama. According to the Dalai Lama, he is safely somewhere still studying.


Since the two Karmapas have recently issued a joint statement on October 11, it signifies a major event in both Karmapas’ efforts to resolve the divide that was more than three decades old. I think the Dalai Lama expressing his acceptance could be the first step for reconciliation between the Tibetan leader and the "Chinese" Tibetan leader in China.

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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2018, 06:17:07 PM »

Preposterous, isn't it? I do agree with you. It is strange that the Dalai Lama indicates his acceptance of the Chinese chosen 11th Panchen Lama and then remained silent since. Well maybe he keeps quiet to pacify the group that had been demanding for the release of the Panchen Lama chosen by the Dalai Lama. According to the Dalai Lama, he is safely somewhere still studying.


Since the two Karmapas have recently issued a joint statement on October 11, it signifies a major event in both Karmapas’ efforts to resolve the divide that was more than three decades old. I think the Dalai Lama expressing his acceptance could be the first step for reconciliation between the Tibetan leader and the "Chinese" Tibetan leader in China.

There might not be a reconciliation between the Chinese Panchen Lama and the Tibetan Panchen Lama who went missing. If His Holiness the Dalai Lama accepts the Chinese Panchen Lama, then it means the Chinese Panchen Lama is authentic and he is more than capable to carry out his duty as the Panchen Lama.

The Tibetan Panchen Lama can then remain in the dark and there is no need for him to come out to make it confusing for the public. The Chinese Panchen Lama has been carrying out the duties of the Panchen Lama and he is doing pretty fine. No ordinary being can sit on the Panchen Lama's throne and perform his duties well.  Hence, it is obvious the Chinese Panchen Lama is the real deal.

His Holiness is certainly trying to make China look good and lessen the conflict between them. He is taking actions that favour the Chinse government. I do hope that China will accept His Holiness the Dalai Lama as soon as possible and bring all the Tibetans in Exile back to Tibet, where their home is.

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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2018, 05:58:02 PM »

There might not be a reconciliation between the Chinese Panchen Lama and the Tibetan Panchen Lama who went missing. If His Holiness the Dalai Lama accepts the Chinese Panchen Lama, then it means the Chinese Panchen Lama is authentic and he is more than capable to carry out his duty as the Panchen Lama.

The Tibetan Panchen Lama can then remain in the dark and there is no need for him to come out to make it confusing for the public. The Chinese Panchen Lama has been carrying out the duties of the Panchen Lama and he is doing pretty fine. No ordinary being can sit on the Panchen Lama's throne and perform his duties well.  Hence, it is obvious the Chinese Panchen Lama is the real deal.

His Holiness is certainly trying to make China look good and lessen the conflict between them. He is taking actions that favour the Chinse government. I do hope that China will accept His Holiness the Dalai Lama as soon as possible and bring all the Tibetans in Exile back to Tibet, where their home is.

Yes, the Chinese Panchen Lama is doing very well and has the support of China behind him. The Dalai Lama is doing a lot of things to lower his "risk level" to the Chinese in order to be favourable for return to Tibet. I certainly do hope that China will allow him back soon. However, I think that many Tibetans in Exile will only want to return with him out of curiosity and not to actually stay. Having families out of Tibet, probably into the 3rd generation, their homes are where they live currently. Only the older generations may yearn to go back but who will look after them as they should be quite old by now. It would be easier for the Dalai Lama as there are Monasteries who would welcome him, subject to China's approval. But I do wonder if the people of Rigong, Amdo, his birth place, will accept him back? There was that incident where the Dalai Lama's statue was thrown into the river.....

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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2018, 01:00:51 AM »
His Holiness the Panchen Lama is very established in China now, especially with the annual World Buddhist Forum and almost the Kalachakra initiation which attracted more than 100,000. Many are hoping for a reconciliation between His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama for a new era in Tibet, China. Let's hope we get to see this in this lifetime.

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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2018, 02:18:03 PM »
The Fifth World Buddhist Forum




The Fifth World Buddhist Forum is held from Oct. 28 to 30 in the coastal city of Putian in east China's Fujian Province. About 800 people, including Chinese and overseas Buddhists, scholars and journalists are attending the event.

The forum emphasizes the positive roles of religious people in economic and social development, the Belt and Road Initiative and the building of a community with a shared future for mankind. This year's event is covering ten subforums, covering topics such as Buddhism and marine silk road, Buddhism and environmental protection, Buddhism and a community with a share future for mankind. Jointly proposed by Buddhist communities in Chinese mainland, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macao in 2005, the World Buddhist Forum was established as a platform for Buddhists to communicate and cooperate.

Prominent Lamas like Panchen Lama, Gangchen Rinpoche are attending this event.




Pictures of Lamas and Dorje Shugden lamas gathering in China for Buddhist conference. In the video is Kundeling Rinpoche speaking at this conference where over 800 Buddhist teachers, students and thinkers from around the world attended in China.

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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2018, 02:29:38 PM »
Sooner or later, the Dalai Lama has to beg China to let him and his people back into Tibet. Because he is getting very old and it's been 60 years in exile and he has made no progress with getting Tibet back. Tibetans will get diluted in India over time and there is no way to preserve their culture. Tibetans around the world find their children are diluted within their host country's culture and losing their Tibetan culture as with all refugees.

Dalai Lama has made many wrong decisions and thought that the world will support him because he is morally correct but guess what? No one is supporting him anymore. He is alone and getting more and more alone.

China is too powerful and the prestige is growing.

More Tibetans and lamas going back to Tibet so they can preserve their culture in Tibet and meet their relatives and friends
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2018, 03:04:37 AM »
Sooner or later, the Dalai Lama has to beg China to let him and his people back into Tibet. Because he is getting very old and it's been 60 years in exile and he has made no progress with getting Tibet back. Tibetans will get diluted in India over time and there is no way to preserve their culture. Tibetans around the world find their children are diluted within their host country's culture and losing their Tibetan culture as with all refugees.

Dalai Lama has made many wrong decisions and thought that the world will support him because he is morally correct but guess what? No one is supporting him anymore. He is alone and getting more and more alone.

China is too powerful and the prestige is growing.

More Tibetans and lamas going back to Tibet so they can preserve their culture in Tibet and meet their relatives and friends
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Yup, the Dalai Lama realises he has to change his strategy and he will be better of befriending China if preserving the Dharma is the goal. China has the resources to do it, to build monasteries, to give subsidies, to preserve the artefacts and scriptures etc. And China will help because they also know that spirituality/religion pulls in a huge chunk for the tourism industry.

Millions of people will seek to go on pilgrimage there especially Tibet and this opens up more doors for people to find out more about Buddhism. This is how Buddhism can spread and continue. The same goes for Tibetan culture. If Dalai Lama co-operates with China, it would be much easier for Tibetans living there and eventually, they will get to preserve their culture/language... that's is what the world wants to see and experience when they go to Tibet. So that is what China will give. 

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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2018, 04:24:33 AM »
People are saying there is no religious freedom in China, but how come they allow Buddhist conference to take place on their land? So it is not true at all like what the CTA has been telling people. China government does encourage the practice of religion but not superstition.

The Chinese government disallows the photo of the Dalai Lama to be displayed because he is a separatist. Will the US government be ok if someone spreads ISIS's thought and encourages everyone to follow? So if the US government is not ok, why can't the Chinese government disallow any contact with the Dalai Lama due to national security reason?

It is nice to see Gangchen Rinpoche and other Dorje Shugden lamas attending the conference. People say Gangchen Rinpoche accepts Chinese money to go against the Dalai Lama, and this is the proof because he is very well connected to China. But what harm has Gangchen Rinpoche done? He is invited to attend the event because Dorje Shugden lamas are really doing Dharma work, they don't get involved in the politics. In Chinese government's eye, he is safe because he does not have any connection with the Dalai Lama at all and he is a sincere Dharma practitioner.

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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2018, 08:27:23 AM »
The Dalai Lama spends his whole life studying Buddhism, he must know highly attained beings will have control over his/her death and it is very possible the highly attained beings can take rebirth in different forms simultaneously. That will include taking rebirth in several individuals. As he has mentioned, it happened in the Tibetan Buddhism history before, it is not something isolated.

Why didn't the Dalai Lama say it when the dispute of the recognition of the Panchen Lama happened? Why did the Dalai Lama keep quiet about it until only recently? Did he now tell because he wanted to please the Chinese government so he can return to Tibet?

Perhaps what the Dalai Lama said is true, both Panchen Lama is indeed the reincarnations of the 10th Panchen Lama. The Panchen Lama recognised by the Chinese government might be the mind emanation. The Dalai Lama didn't want to tell in the beginning because anything he endorses, the Chinese government will not agree. Since he did not agree with the Chinese Panchen Lama in the beginning, the Chinese government felt safe to provide what was necessary to groom the Panchen Lama. The Dalai Lama was indirectly creating a very good condition for the Panchen Lama to carry on with his mission of preserving and spreading Buddhism.

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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2018, 10:17:55 AM »
The Dalai Lama appears to have remained silent about his recognition of the "Chinese's" Panchen Lama.

There have been no further statements by him about the "Chinese" Panchen Lama.

Why?

How could he accept the Chinese "Panchen Lama" who is totally pro Dorje Shugden?

Their Panchen Lama is going around and doing "Sogtae" ceremonies of Dorje Shugden.

He is spreading the teaching of Dorje Shugden across all of Tibet.

The Dalai Lama accepts and does not condemn the "Chinese" Panchen Lama views and practices of Dorje Shugden put condemns ours?

Why?

Yes, It is a bit strange that the world took that news in as if nothing happened. Everyone is too calm. The Tibetans and Rangzen groups have been fighting for the Tibetan Panchen Lama for the longest time and they also accuse the China Panchen Lama to be an imposter. Since China had "kidnapped" the young Tibetan Panchen Lama, anti-China groups all over the world have been accusing China to be the worst country in the world with human rights.

It is a huge issue and everyone is condemning China for kidnapping the young Tibetan Panchen Lama and enthroning a fake Panchen Lama to take over the throne. When His Holiness says that the Chinese Panchen Lama is authentic and he is well educated, he is indirectly accepting the Chinese Panchen Lama and saying he is qualified to be the Panchen Lama and give teachings.

His Holiness also gives a shocking information about the Tibetan Panchen Lama saying that he is well and having a proper education. There was no news of the Tibetan Panchen Lama for so long and suddenly it appears that His Holiness the Dalai Lama have exact information of where and what is the Tibetan Panchen Lama is doing. All these news are capable to be headlines for many newspapers but nothing happened. No one talks about it. I guess the world is still comfortable for China to be the bad guy just as painted by CTA.

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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2018, 07:49:47 PM »
People are saying there is no religious freedom in China, but how come they allow Buddhist conference to take place on their land? So it is not true at all like what the CTA has been telling people. China government does encourage the practice of religion but not superstition.

The Chinese government disallows the photo of the Dalai Lama to be displayed because he is a separatist. Will the US government be ok if someone spreads ISIS's thought and encourages everyone to follow? So if the US government is not ok, why can't the Chinese government disallow any contact with the Dalai Lama due to national security reason?

It is nice to see Gangchen Rinpoche and other Dorje Shugden lamas attending the conference. People say Gangchen Rinpoche accepts Chinese money to go against the Dalai Lama, and this is the proof because he is very well connected to China. But what harm has Gangchen Rinpoche done? He is invited to attend the event because Dorje Shugden lamas are really doing Dharma work, they don't get involved in the politics. In Chinese government's eye, he is safe because he does not have any connection with the Dalai Lama at all and he is a sincere Dharma practitioner.

I agree with you that China should have a right to disallow entry by anyone they feel is a threat to their country and people. Those attending this conference are deemed safe and not into politics, whose presence show the level of trust that China has in them. The Dalai Lama wishing to return to Tibet will do well to lift the ban on Dorje Shugden and reconcile with these DS Lamas that may help in fulfilling his wish. It is so heartwarming to see the gathering of all the eminent Lamas there but somewhat disappointed that they had not brought up the issue of the Dorje Shugden Ban and any plan of actions towards lifting of the Ban. The Ban had already gone towards hurting the integrity of lineage Gurus and created doubts to the lineage practice. Shouldn't this be a major concern to stop the Ban? Isn't it strange that they keep quiet?

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Re: Dalai Lama corrects himself on Chinese Panchen Lama
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2018, 08:36:58 PM »

More Tibetans and lamas going back to Tibet so they can preserve their culture in Tibet and meet their relatives and friends.

This is correct and the following pictorial by the Hindustani Times sums it up. The reality is more and more Tibetans have realised that the CTA and Dalai Lama will not succeed in any of their promises. They see that the Dalai Lama is ageing and ill and the CTA is corrupt to the hilt and once the Dalai Lama is no more and the dream starts to unravel, CTA officials can easily parachute out with their foreign passports and Tibet Aid money which they have pocketed. Look around and you will see that the Tibetans in Nepal, Bhutan, Canada, Europe and even within the Tibet Autonomous Region do far better than those who are depending on the CTA.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/photos/india-news/photos-young-tibetans-moving-out-of-dharamsala-in-search-of-a-new-home/photo-MNzStzJImN3lxwWZGXt30L.html


Caption: The Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) confirms the migration trend but says it has no way of quantifying it, especially those returning to Tibet. Unofficial estimates from the Foreigners Registration office in Dharamshala indicate a number as high as around 100 Tibetans each year of McLeodganj’s 15,000-strong population having migrated in the past two years. (Anushree Fadnavis / HT?Photo)


Caption: From fake documentation to sham marriages people make every possible effort to move out of India. “Agents get fake documentation made and charge differently for each country. The going rate for the US, for instance, is about Rs 20 lakh,” says Lobsang Wangyal, a journalist and the organiser of the Miss Tibet beauty pageant. (Anushree Fadnavis / HT?Photo)


Caption: “Economically, many of the Tibetans in Tibet and across the world are doing relatively better than the Tibetans in India,” says Lobsang Yangtso, a PhD scholar at Jawaharlal Nehru University. Yangtso is now contemplating a move, possibly to the US, to pursue her post-doctoral studies. “I am not allowed to teach in Indian government-run universities here, nor work for the government. This restrict my options a lot,” she reasons. (Anushree Fadnavis / HT?Photo)


Caption: For some, separated from families in Tibet, migration is interwoven with the desire to find a home. Others are moved to this decision by matters of policy, financial need and better opportunities trumping bonds they have forged through life in India. But a consideration that simply a move elsewhere may not end this search is also a reality among young Tibetans. (Anushree Fadnavis / HT?Photo)




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Re: Dalai Lama corrects himself on Chinese Panchen Lama
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2018, 09:26:05 PM »

More Tibetans and lamas going back to Tibet so they can preserve their culture in Tibet and meet their relatives and friends.

This is correct and the following pictorial by the Hindustani Times sums it up. The reality is more and more Tibetans have realised that the CTA and Dalai Lama will not succeed in any of their promises. They see that the Dalai Lama is ageing and ill and the CTA is corrupt to the hilt and once the Dalai Lama is no more and the dream starts to unravel, CTA officials can easily parachute out with their foreign passports and Tibet Aid money which they have pocketed. Look around and you will see that the Tibetans in Nepal, Bhutan, Canada, Europe and even within the Tibet Autonomous Region do far better than those who are depending on the CTA.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/photos/india-news/photos-young-tibetans-moving-out-of-dharamsala-in-search-of-a-new-home/photo-MNzStzJImN3lxwWZGXt30L.html


Caption: The Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) confirms the migration trend but says it has no way of quantifying it, especially those returning to Tibet. Unofficial estimates from the Foreigners Registration office in Dharamshala indicate a number as high as around 100 Tibetans each year of McLeodganj’s 15,000-strong population having migrated in the past two years. (Anushree Fadnavis / HT?Photo)


Caption: From fake documentation to sham marriages people make every possible effort to move out of India. “Agents get fake documentation made and charge differently for each country. The going rate for the US, for instance, is about Rs 20 lakh,” says Lobsang Wangyal, a journalist and the organiser of the Miss Tibet beauty pageant. (Anushree Fadnavis / HT?Photo)


Caption: “Economically, many of the Tibetans in Tibet and across the world are doing relatively better than the Tibetans in India,” says Lobsang Yangtso, a PhD scholar at Jawaharlal Nehru University. Yangtso is now contemplating a move, possibly to the US, to pursue her post-doctoral studies. “I am not allowed to teach in Indian government-run universities here, nor work for the government. This restrict my options a lot,” she reasons. (Anushree Fadnavis / HT?Photo)


Caption: For some, separated from families in Tibet, migration is interwoven with the desire to find a home. Others are moved to this decision by matters of policy, financial need and better opportunities trumping bonds they have forged through life in India. But a consideration that simply a move elsewhere may not end this search is also a reality among young Tibetans. (Anushree Fadnavis / HT?Photo)





Why I am not surprised to see this is actually happening to the general Tibetan population in Exile in India. 60 years had passed since Tibetans escaped from Tibet and sought asylum from India. The generation that came to India with His Holiness the Dalai Lama is now in their old age or dead. The current generation of Tibetan that is in India is a generation where they are born in India and they had not seen Tibet with their own eyes before.

Many of them do not have the same thinking and attitude as their parents. The passion of free Tibet is there but not as strong as last time. Many prioritise their quality of life and look for a place they can go to earn for a better future for themselves. Many had migrated overseas to look for jobs. Those that are in China continue to stay in China because China had been seen investing alot of money into Tibet.

The quality of life in Tibet under China will only improve and soon it will surpass the quality of life in India. When that happens, a lot of no Tibetans are coming to India and many of them will leave India. CTA will not have anymore Tibetans to control and they will be in trouble. A government without people to govern will be the biggest joke in the year.

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Re: Dalai Lama corrects himself on Chinese Panchen Lama
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2018, 07:20:58 PM »
For years the Dalai Lama and the CTA have been claiming the Chinese government has put their choice of Panchen Lama under house arrest. They run campaigns to demand China to release this Panchen Lama. This is one of the issues the CTA has been using to attack China.

Now the Dalai Lama said the Chinese backed Panchen Lama might be real and the Panchen Lama he has chosen is doing ok. Why suddenly a change in his tone? Will he change his mind again after a few days? I would like to believe him but he is so fickle.

Perhaps the Dalai Lama is really desperate to go back to Tibet so he will do whatever he could to please China.  The Dalai Lam is very old now, he doesn't have the time to wait for CTA to fulfill his dream. Since the CTA refuses to do it, the Dalai Lama has to do it his way.

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Re: Dalai Lama corrects himself on Chinese Panchen Lama
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2019, 08:12:04 PM »
Is the Dalai Lama going to take another rebirth and be recognised or he is not? He has said before he will not come back again after he enters into clear light but now he said he will maybe take rebirth in India and the one recognised by China will not be the real one. So does the Dalai Lama want to take rebirth again or he is not?

Anyway, if the Dalai Lama said an enlightened being can take rebirth and emanate into different individuals after they enter into clear light (like how he said about the Panchen Lama), does it mean he can also? It will also make the Chinese recognised Dalai Lama a valid one. In fact, the Chinese recognised Dalai Lama will have more credibility because he is recognised by the Panchen Lama whereas the so-called CTA recognised Dalai Lama will not be recognised according to the tradition.

CTA can do all they want in the recognition of the 15th Dalai Lama, the Chinese government won't care so much because the Tibetans in Tibet will support the Chinese recognised Dalai Lama like how they support the Chinese recognised Panchen Lama. To have both the Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama in China, it will be very beneficial for the preservation and spreading of Dharma.