Author Topic: KYABJE TRIJANG RINPOCHE'S ADVICE REGARDING DORJE SHUGDEN AND DALAI LAMA...  (Read 47125 times)

Ensapa

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Seriously the protest has helped indirectly brought international media attention about Dorje Shugden and who Dorje Shugden is. Especially those non-Buddhist. It became global and spread like viral. Now even non-Buddhist knows about Dorje Shugden, they come and ask who is he and they will find out more and when they do... they compare notes, they will clearly see through all the illogical claims and excuses given not to practice Dorje Shugden because he is"EVIL". So evil he is that highly attained Lamas cannot even subdue Him!

The protest was done peacefully but we saw Tibetans being rather rude and vulgar after a "Compassion" teaching HHDL gave in NY. I do not think it has tarnished NKT's reputation one bit, infact I think they have gotten more members from it. The protest in fact made people find out more.

No matter how we want to see it, the protests did help highlight Dorje Shugden to the media although it is done in a negative light but it does make people think deeper about the whole situation and people will want to look up on Dorje Shugden out of curiosity and they will learn who he really is and from there it is up to them to decide what they want. That sounds like the whole idea from the start.

It it was not for WSS and the protests, the media would not have covered that story repeatedly over the years. It is very brave for NKT, GKG and WSS to carry them out because it would also mean that they are destroying their own reputation for the sake of lifting the ban sooner and raising awareness. Who else would have the courage to do such things and stand up for what they believe in while disregarding their reputation?

I totally support GKG's actions and the actions of NKT and WSS for the protests as they did it knowing very well that their popularity will suffer over the next few years and will never recover as people will be puzzled to why are these people attacking the Dalai Lama and assume that they are bad. But as a result, more and more people are aware of Dorje Shugden and one day they will investigate.

When they do investigate they will have to decide which path is for them for themselves. That is a very buddhist way of deciding as the Buddha himself instructed us to investigate before deciding on something. Perhaps this is what the Dalai Lama would like to instil in the Tibetan Buddhists of this day and age.

Dondrup Shugden

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Re: KYABJE TRIJANG RINPOCHE'S ADVICE REGARDING DORJE SHUGDEN AND DALAI LAMA...
« Reply #76 on: February 14, 2015, 08:44:20 AM »
So clearly stated that the issues Shugdenpas are facing is to be resolved by the middle way as advised by the Great Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche.

Yes the middle way, not against the Dalai Lama nor giving up Shugden, is where the solution to be ban will be found.

Let this happen soon with the arising of a Great Buddhist of our times.  I can feel it to be very very soon.

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Re: KYABJE TRIJANG RINPOCHE'S ADVICE REGARDING DORJE SHUGDEN AND DALAI LAMA...
« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2015, 06:54:01 PM »
I think this post could have be an answer to some people who have doubt on H.H Dalai Lama, especially when the act of ban is quoted as devine play.

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Re: KYABJE TRIJANG RINPOCHE'S ADVICE REGARDING DORJE SHUGDEN AND DALAI LAMA...
« Reply #78 on: November 16, 2015, 09:52:15 PM »
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I think this post could have be an answer to some people who have doubt on H.H Dalai Lama, especially when the act of ban is quoted as devine play.

Right. Such people will remove all their doubts, and realize that the “divine play” fairy tale is just the subtly coded message, not supposed to be understood literally, sent by great teachers such as the previous Trijang Rinpoche, who was well aware of the brutal character of the evil dalie, in order to avoid direct confrontation with, and the merciless revenge of, the obnoxious theocrat, and therefore much more damage to Gelugpas and Shugdenpas in absolutistic, theocratic Tibetan culture.

Trijang Rinpoche himself clearly mentions the envious nature of the evil dalie, which leaves nor room for doubt about his actual, although skilfully concealed, thought. Trijang Rinpoche knew better than anyone of us how to protect the Gelug lineage, and being himself a master of divine play, skilfully told people the suitable story according to the circumstances of his time.

However, the nature of religious fundamentalists is always to interpret scripture literally, in ways repugnant to human reason, and this is precisely what fanatical religionists like you do, on top of it wanting to impose on others as some kind of absolute “truth” your abhorrent, politically motivated view that the evil criminal dalie is some kind of “noble being”, everything on the mere basis of a literal, uncontextualized, thoughtless reading of Trijang Rinpoche's words, no matter how much this violates direct perception, reason, Buddhist principles such a compassion, and even basic principles of human decency.

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Re: KYABJE TRIJANG RINPOCHE'S ADVICE REGARDING DORJE SHUGDEN AND DALAI LAMA...
« Reply #79 on: November 18, 2015, 08:08:34 AM »
Peaceful protest is very beneficial as this will attract attention from people around the world what is the protest all about , we as Buddhist do not want violence the peaceful way is the best to voice out our concern and dissatisfaction.

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Re: KYABJE TRIJANG RINPOCHE'S ADVICE REGARDING DORJE SHUGDEN AND DALAI LAMA...
« Reply #80 on: November 18, 2015, 09:17:00 AM »
I truly appreciate this post, especially with the illustration of the 5th Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden  supposedly animosity with that of Shakymuni Buddha and Devadetta, how clearly we know can relate to the divine play of the beings of such high levels.

This illustration is taught by HH Trijang Rinpoche to all of us current devotees so that we will conduct ourselves with respect and honour to our lineage Guru by listening and adhering to His teachings and also for us in following His teachings to be humble DS devotees and use peaceful and graceful ways for the Ban to be lifted.

A beautiful post.  Thank you. 

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Re: KYABJE TRIJANG RINPOCHE'S ADVICE REGARDING DORJE SHUGDEN AND DALAI LAMA...
« Reply #81 on: November 18, 2015, 03:51:03 PM »
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[...] use peaceful and graceful ways for the Ban to be lifted.

What is there “peaceful” and “graceful” in covering and divinizing a brutal criminal such as the evil dalie, and in showing subservience to him, as you brazenly do, is something you still fail to show.

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« Reply #82 on: November 18, 2015, 03:59:10 PM »
Indeed, covering, divinizing, and showing subservience to, such an obnoxious criminal as the evil dalie is just empowering him further to keep perpetrating his crimes against humanity -- something obviously very “peaceful” and “graceful” according to you, right?

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Re: KYABJE TRIJANG RINPOCHE'S ADVICE REGARDING DORJE SHUGDEN AND DALAI LAMA...
« Reply #83 on: November 19, 2015, 04:17:36 PM »
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Peaceful protest is very beneficial [...]

Agreed. Still, peaceful does not mean subservient and fearful. One should never fear denouncing the evil dalie for the criminal he is.

One should be aware that bankster-run Western media will never support the protests anyway, in the same way that they are always going to brazenly support the evil dalie and other Western sponsored proponents of violence such as the Islamic State or al-Qaeda terrorists, whom they call by nice names such as “moderate opposition” and “freedom fighters”.

Shugdenpas, in their innocence, are dealing with unscrupulous gangsters ready to perpetrate any kind of deception and violence for the sake of their own geopolitical and personal ends.