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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2019, 09:00:42 AM »
Nope India is not going to tolerate any disruption from the Tibetans. And really, is this sort of behaviour going to win China over to have dialogue with CTA? When will they ever realise that this is not the way to go? And if they can organise and systematically get people to discriminate Shugden practitioners, why don't they organise and systematically get the Tibetans to stop behaving like barbarians and jeopardising their relationship with China? 

Obviously, CTA is not trying to make friends with China and definitely China is not going to entertain anything coming from the exile Tibetan leaders. They don't even recognise or acknowledge Lobsang Sangay. Sad that the CTA is still delusional about where they stand. 

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Tibetan activists arrested at Chennai airport and Xi Jinping’s hotel

DHARAMSHALA, Oct. 11: More Tibetans have been arrested ahead of the visit of Chinese President’s visit in Chennai on Friday as activists and students were picked up by the Tamil Nadu police at the Chennai airport and the ITC Grand Chola where Xi Jinping is scheduled to stay.

12 Tibetans have been arrested near the ITC Grand Chola hotel at the little mount area in Guindy where the Chinese President is to be hosted ahead of the bilateral summit with Indian PM Narendra Modi. Among the arrested is also the President of the activist group Tibetan Youth Congress, Gonpo Dhondup who is currently being held at the Guindy police station.

Additionally, 3 students have also been arrested inside the Chennai airport’s arrival lounge after they flew in from New Delhi to coincide with the Chinese President’s arrival at the same airport, according to TYC Secretary Sonam Tsering who spoke to Phayul via phone.

Xi Jinping arrived in Chennai around 2 pm local time for the second informal talks with his Indian counterpart. The two will hold a two-day bilateral talks at the coastal town to Mamallappuram from 11-12 October.

Earlier this week, 34 Tibetan activists and students were arrested in the city. The total number of arrested Tibetans has now jumped to 49. Also, prominent Tibetan activist and poet Tenzin Tsundue was arrested last Saturday evening in Viluppuram, Tamil Nadu.

On Thursday, the Core Group for Tibetan Cause Towards, the apex Tibet support group in India said it strongly condemns such illicit show of power and administrative machinery that crushes the common people’s voice against prevailing injustices and urges the concerned State Government to release those Tibetan students or people immediately.

Source: http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=41845&article=Tibetan+activists+arrested+at+Chennai+airport+and+Xi+Jinping%e2%80%99s+hotel

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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2019, 06:55:29 AM »
Tibetans are really ungrateful. India has been so kind to them for the past 60 years, allowing them to settle down in India but look at what they are doing to India? Tibetans know very well that India wants to have a better relationship with China and this is a very important meeting between the two countries but Tibetans still want to mess it up.

With such behaviour, of course India will distance itself away from the Tibetans and slowly withdrawing the support for the Tibetans. The Tibetans are wasting Indian's resources unnecessary. The Indian government has to use their security forces to control the Tibetans to make sure they don't create troubles when President Xi comes to visit India.

Tibetans are very short-sighted and ungrateful. They can never free Tibet, this is the fact.

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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2019, 05:44:46 AM »
Tibetan leadership never stop creating trouble for themselves and others especially India. Tibetan leadership keeps irritating China and this will just make the Chinese take action on them by going through India. India needs China very much and will definitely go along with it. Tibetan leadership seems to be still living in their ignorance state and thinking of their situation now, they are still able to get support or actually they know they are not going to get support anymore. This is the dangerous part. Tibetan leadership only focus on their own interest.

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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2019, 06:46:47 AM »
Tibetan leadership never stop creating trouble for themselves and others especially India. Tibetan leadership keeps irritating China and this will just make the Chinese take action on them by going through India. India needs China very much and will definitely go along with it. Tibetan leadership seems to be still living in their ignorance state and thinking of their situation now, they are still able to get support or actually they know they are not going to get support anymore. This is the dangerous part. Tibetan leadership only focus on their own interest.

When Lobsang Sangay said he does not wnat to discomfort India, he was just being diplomatic, he didn't mean that. If he means that, he will not still leech on India, and abuse India's kindness. If he really does not want to discomfort India, he should tell the Tibetans to assimilate into Indian society, go back to Tibet or migrate else where. Don't be a burden to India anymore, Tibetans have been a refugee for the past 60 years and getting support from India, how much more do they expect from India?

Indian has their own problems, if Lobsang Sangay really wants to repay the kindness of India and show appreciation to India. First, stop become the issue between India and China. Next, give an identity to the Tibetans so they belong to somewhere. If Tibet is their home, just go back. Being part of China is not that bad.

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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2019, 08:20:53 AM »

When Lobsang Sangay said he does not wnat to discomfort India, he was just being diplomatic, he didn't mean that. If he means that, he will not still leech on India, and abuse India's kindness. If he really does not want to discomfort India, he should tell the Tibetans to assimilate into Indian society, go back to Tibet or migrate else where. Don't be a burden to India anymore, Tibetans have been a refugee for the past 60 years and getting support from India, how much more do they expect from India?

Indian has their own problems, if Lobsang Sangay really wants to repay the kindness of India and show appreciation to India. First, stop become the issue between India and China. Next, give an identity to the Tibetans so they belong to somewhere. If Tibet is their home, just go back. Being part of China is not that bad.

What you said Drolma is actually very true and right. Yes if Lobsang Sangay really means what he says about not wanting to discomfort India, the very first thing he can do is to STOP poking India with China issues!

He can stop asking India to help them/Tibetan cause and stand up for them and talk to China about them wanting their country back which is not even what the Dalai Lama is asking for actually. So Sangay is obviously lying again and obviously demanding a lot from India.

If he truly wants to "help" India and not discomfort India, he can, first of all, send out a notice to the exile Tibetans and Tibetans everywhere to seize all protests against China especially anything in India. They can start with that first and then move on from there.

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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2019, 08:08:21 AM »

When Lobsang Sangay said he does not wnat to discomfort India, he was just being diplomatic, he didn't mean that. If he means that, he will not still leech on India, and abuse India's kindness. If he really does not want to discomfort India, he should tell the Tibetans to assimilate into Indian society, go back to Tibet or migrate else where. Don't be a burden to India anymore, Tibetans have been a refugee for the past 60 years and getting support from India, how much more do they expect from India?

Indian has their own problems, if Lobsang Sangay really wants to repay the kindness of India and show appreciation to India. First, stop become the issue between India and China. Next, give an identity to the Tibetans so they belong to somewhere. If Tibet is their home, just go back. Being part of China is not that bad.

What you said Drolma is actually very true and right. Yes if Lobsang Sangay really means what he says about not wanting to discomfort India, the very first thing he can do is to STOP poking India with China issues!

He can stop asking India to help them/Tibetan cause and stand up for them and talk to China about them wanting their country back which is not even what the Dalai Lama is asking for actually. So Sangay is obviously lying again and obviously demanding a lot from India.

If he truly wants to "help" India and not discomfort India, he can, first of all, send out a notice to the exile Tibetans and Tibetans everywhere to seize all protests against China especially anything in India. They can start with that first and then move on from there.

How to trust Lobsang Sangay and the CTA seeing what they do is different from what they say. They act like they are righteous and they care about the Tibetans but they actually are not. India was very kind to offer citizenship to the Tibetans but the CTA has made it very difficult for the Tibetans to become Indian citizen.

Why is the CTA making things so difficult for the Tibetans? Why didn't the CTA want a better future for the Tibetans? Simple, the CTA needs refugees in order to continue to receive financial aids from the sponsors so they don't have to work hard for the money.

This is how greedy the CTA is. They are only making use of the Tibetans to make money for themselves. This is also the reason why Tibet cause will never succeed.

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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2019, 08:13:55 AM »
Just being a Tibetan is also starting to cause issues and discomfort Indians.
Reports on racism against Tibetans are becoming more apparent. If India's law enforcement officers are racist against Tibetans, then Tibetans can forget about being safe in India.

This also goes to show that Indians are not happy with Tibetans being in their land and are getting more and more irritated with them being around. How long more can Tibetan in exile continue taking from India? How long more do you think today's India will tolerate especially since there is a need for them to build a strong and close relationship with China? CTA sure does not know how to manage the people and all they do is irk China, so this will just make exile Tibetans living in India more uncertain.

What more the Tibetan youth who was attacked wants to speak up more and seek justice, this could trigger bigger issues that's been brewing between Indians and Tibetans. This is not to say that the youth should not speak up and keep quiet, I am merely highlighting that in general, Indians are NOT happy with Tibetans and this could possibly bring about something worse. Are the Tibetans ready for more hostility from the Indians?

Tibetans do need to remember that India has every right to kick the Tibetans out and if Indians protest more, this could happen. Of course, Tibetans living with such a threat at the back of their heads is also not healthy and peaceful. What will happen next from this incident would be something to keep an eye out.

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Policeman who assaulted me was racially motivated, says Tibetan youth thrashed in Delhi

DHARAMSHALA, Oct. 25: Days after the incident of two Tibetan youths who were assaulted by an on-duty policeman in Delhi’s Mahipalpur area for calling a nearby police station for assistance to care for an injured pig attracted national attention, one of the Tibetan youths has said that the incident is not only of assault but also of racism.

Tenzin Lhakpa, 20, who is recovering from bruises and ankle injury after being thrashed by a policeman said that the police officer identified to be Vikram Singh used vulgar language at the two Tibetan youths and threatened to kill them if they were seen again in the area. “We were simply trying to help the injured animal. The policeman called us “cheni” (Chinese) and used derogatory reference to my hometown in Uttarakhand being backward,” Lhakpa told Phayul.

In the voice clip that was recorded secretly by the victim, police officer Vikram Singh was heard saying, “You people from the hills come to Delhi and ask for freedom, Should I shoot you?”. The same officer assaulted the two Tibetan youths and told the room-mate of the victim, a youth who is ethnically an Indian, asking him to leave the spot immediately.

The police officer Vikram Singh is now sent to ‘district lines’, a professional jargon used by the police for personnel who are kept away from active duty or part of an investigation pending an inquiry on him for corruption or any other dereliction of duty. Lhakpa revealed that he has been getting calls from the accused officer’s people urging him to drop the case and settle the matter privately.

“The policeman knows that what he did was wrong. That is why I have been getting calls to drop the matter but this incident is much bigger than me or my injuries. There are many cases of racial discrimination by some crooked people of the law enforcements and if I don’t seek justice and see it through then more incidents of this nature will happen again,” Lhakpa who is an intern at Mahipalpur’s Radisson Blu hotel said.

The incident happened in the wee hours of Tuesday, when two Tibetan youths who found an injured pig called an animal rescue center who instructed them to call the 100 number which is India's 911. Both Tenzin Lhakpa, 20, who is pursuing hotel management at IMS University Delhi and Tenzin Kunsel, a nursing student at Delhi’s Jamia Hamdard University sustained bruises and swellings from being beaten with a stick.

Mahipalpur police station where the accused officer was stationed has refused to register a First Information Report (FIR) on Friday, saying that the necessary formalities can only be conducted once the medical reports of the victims are studied, according to the victim’s mother. Both the parents of the victim work for a Dehradun based NGO called Tibetan Animal Lovers, that rescues and helps animals.

Source: http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=41883&article=Policeman+who+assaulted+me+was+racially+motivated%2c+says+Tibetan+youth+thrashed+in+Delhi

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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2019, 05:26:07 AM »
Just being a Tibetan is also starting to cause issues and discomfort Indians.
Reports on racism against Tibetans are becoming more apparent. If India's law enforcement officers are racist against Tibetans, then Tibetans can forget about being safe in India.

This also goes to show that Indians are not happy with Tibetans being in their land and are getting more and more irritated with them being around. How long more can Tibetan in exile continue taking from India? How long more do you think today's India will tolerate especially since there is a need for them to build a strong and close relationship with China? CTA sure does not know how to manage the people and all they do is irk China, so this will just make exile Tibetans living in India more uncertain.

What more the Tibetan youth who was attacked wants to speak up more and seek justice, this could trigger bigger issues that's been brewing between Indians and Tibetans. This is not to say that the youth should not speak up and keep quiet, I am merely highlighting that in general, Indians are NOT happy with Tibetans and this could possibly bring about something worse. Are the Tibetans ready for more hostility from the Indians?

Tibetans do need to remember that India has every right to kick the Tibetans out and if Indians protest more, this could happen. Of course, Tibetans living with such a threat at the back of their heads is also not healthy and peaceful. What will happen next from this incident would be something to keep an eye out.

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Policeman who assaulted me was racially motivated, says Tibetan youth thrashed in Delhi

DHARAMSHALA, Oct. 25: Days after the incident of two Tibetan youths who were assaulted by an on-duty policeman in Delhi’s Mahipalpur area for calling a nearby police station for assistance to care for an injured pig attracted national attention, one of the Tibetan youths has said that the incident is not only of assault but also of racism.

Tenzin Lhakpa, 20, who is recovering from bruises and ankle injury after being thrashed by a policeman said that the police officer identified to be Vikram Singh used vulgar language at the two Tibetan youths and threatened to kill them if they were seen again in the area. “We were simply trying to help the injured animal. The policeman called us “cheni” (Chinese) and used derogatory reference to my hometown in Uttarakhand being backward,” Lhakpa told Phayul.

In the voice clip that was recorded secretly by the victim, police officer Vikram Singh was heard saying, “You people from the hills come to Delhi and ask for freedom, Should I shoot you?”. The same officer assaulted the two Tibetan youths and told the room-mate of the victim, a youth who is ethnically an Indian, asking him to leave the spot immediately.

The police officer Vikram Singh is now sent to ‘district lines’, a professional jargon used by the police for personnel who are kept away from active duty or part of an investigation pending an inquiry on him for corruption or any other dereliction of duty. Lhakpa revealed that he has been getting calls from the accused officer’s people urging him to drop the case and settle the matter privately.

“The policeman knows that what he did was wrong. That is why I have been getting calls to drop the matter but this incident is much bigger than me or my injuries. There are many cases of racial discrimination by some crooked people of the law enforcements and if I don’t seek justice and see it through then more incidents of this nature will happen again,” Lhakpa who is an intern at Mahipalpur’s Radisson Blu hotel said.

The incident happened in the wee hours of Tuesday, when two Tibetan youths who found an injured pig called an animal rescue center who instructed them to call the 100 number which is India's 911. Both Tenzin Lhakpa, 20, who is pursuing hotel management at IMS University Delhi and Tenzin Kunsel, a nursing student at Delhi’s Jamia Hamdard University sustained bruises and swellings from being beaten with a stick.

Mahipalpur police station where the accused officer was stationed has refused to register a First Information Report (FIR) on Friday, saying that the necessary formalities can only be conducted once the medical reports of the victims are studied, according to the victim’s mother. Both the parents of the victim work for a Dehradun based NGO called Tibetan Animal Lovers, that rescues and helps animals.

Source: http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=41883&article=Policeman+who+assaulted+me+was+racially+motivated%2c+says+Tibetan+youth+thrashed+in+Delhi



Very sad to hear this. Even Indian is being racist and this is really a wake-up call for the Tibetan to realize that their situation is really from bad to worse. Tibetan already can't resolve the issue with China which make them unable to return to Tibet and now even having problem with the kind host India. What is CTA going to do now? What is their plan with China and India?

CTA really don't try to push the limit of the Chinese and Indian. CTA has to find a way to have a dialogue with the Chinese and to resolve the issue before India put in further pressure to the Tibetan.

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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2019, 02:46:48 AM »
The Tibetans are just saving their own face by saying this. Their last "Thank you, India" event was being cancelled and moved to a much smaller venue in Dharamshala is proof that India had enough of them. A memo was sent to Indian officials to avoid participating in any Tibetan events as well. These are clear efforts from India to get into China's good books by creating a distance between themselves and the Tibetans.


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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2019, 05:01:08 AM »
Just being a Tibetan is also starting to cause issues and discomfort Indians.
Reports on racism against Tibetans are becoming more apparent. If India's law enforcement officers are racist against Tibetans, then Tibetans can forget about being safe in India.

This also goes to show that Indians are not happy with Tibetans being in their land and are getting more and more irritated with them being around. How long more can Tibetan in exile continue taking from India? How long more do you think today's India will tolerate especially since there is a need for them to build a strong and close relationship with China? CTA sure does not know how to manage the people and all they do is irk China, so this will just make exile Tibetans living in India more uncertain.

What more the Tibetan youth who was attacked wants to speak up more and seek justice, this could trigger bigger issues that's been brewing between Indians and Tibetans. This is not to say that the youth should not speak up and keep quiet, I am merely highlighting that in general, Indians are NOT happy with Tibetans and this could possibly bring about something worse. Are the Tibetans ready for more hostility from the Indians?

Tibetans do need to remember that India has every right to kick the Tibetans out and if Indians protest more, this could happen. Of course, Tibetans living with such a threat at the back of their heads is also not healthy and peaceful. What will happen next from this incident would be something to keep an eye out.

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Policeman who assaulted me was racially motivated, says Tibetan youth thrashed in Delhi

DHARAMSHALA, Oct. 25: Days after the incident of two Tibetan youths who were assaulted by an on-duty policeman in Delhi’s Mahipalpur area for calling a nearby police station for assistance to care for an injured pig attracted national attention, one of the Tibetan youths has said that the incident is not only of assault but also of racism.

Tenzin Lhakpa, 20, who is recovering from bruises and ankle injury after being thrashed by a policeman said that the police officer identified to be Vikram Singh used vulgar language at the two Tibetan youths and threatened to kill them if they were seen again in the area. “We were simply trying to help the injured animal. The policeman called us “cheni” (Chinese) and used derogatory reference to my hometown in Uttarakhand being backward,” Lhakpa told Phayul.

In the voice clip that was recorded secretly by the victim, police officer Vikram Singh was heard saying, “You people from the hills come to Delhi and ask for freedom, Should I shoot you?”. The same officer assaulted the two Tibetan youths and told the room-mate of the victim, a youth who is ethnically an Indian, asking him to leave the spot immediately.

The police officer Vikram Singh is now sent to ‘district lines’, a professional jargon used by the police for personnel who are kept away from active duty or part of an investigation pending an inquiry on him for corruption or any other dereliction of duty. Lhakpa revealed that he has been getting calls from the accused officer’s people urging him to drop the case and settle the matter privately.

“The policeman knows that what he did was wrong. That is why I have been getting calls to drop the matter but this incident is much bigger than me or my injuries. There are many cases of racial discrimination by some crooked people of the law enforcements and if I don’t seek justice and see it through then more incidents of this nature will happen again,” Lhakpa who is an intern at Mahipalpur’s Radisson Blu hotel said.

The incident happened in the wee hours of Tuesday, when two Tibetan youths who found an injured pig called an animal rescue center who instructed them to call the 100 number which is India's 911. Both Tenzin Lhakpa, 20, who is pursuing hotel management at IMS University Delhi and Tenzin Kunsel, a nursing student at Delhi’s Jamia Hamdard University sustained bruises and swellings from being beaten with a stick.

Mahipalpur police station where the accused officer was stationed has refused to register a First Information Report (FIR) on Friday, saying that the necessary formalities can only be conducted once the medical reports of the victims are studied, according to the victim’s mother. Both the parents of the victim work for a Dehradun based NGO called Tibetan Animal Lovers, that rescues and helps animals.

Source: http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=41883&article=Policeman+who+assaulted+me+was+racially+motivated%2c+says+Tibetan+youth+thrashed+in+Delhi



Very sad to hear this. Even Indian is being racist and this is really a wake-up call for the Tibetan to realize that their situation is really from bad to worse. Tibetan already can't resolve the issue with China which make them unable to return to Tibet and now even having problem with the kind host India. What is CTA going to do now? What is their plan with China and India?

CTA really don't try to push the limit of the Chinese and Indian. CTA has to find a way to have a dialogue with the Chinese and to resolve the issue before India put in further pressure to the Tibetan.


Now the Tibetans are complaining about people being racists? Ain't they racists as well when they call Chinese names? We really cannot blame Indians for being hostile with the Tibetans. It really is not a racism issue, it is because Tibetans have been very ungrateful and leech on India for the past 60 years.

The Tibetans have used so much of Indian's resources including natural resources and monetary resources but they never give anything back. All the Tibetans give to India is problem after problem. India wants to have a better relationship China but the Tibetans are getting in the way.

So if Lobsang Sangay meant what he says, he should try to help India improve its relationship with China. They can also assimilate into Indian society and start to contribute into Indian's tax system. These will be better than just saying it.