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Harold Musetescu

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Dorje Shugden is a "YIDAM" ?????
« on: July 02, 2016, 05:14:57 AM »
We all know that Dorje Shugden is a Dharmpala but did you know he is also a YIDAM? I'm not saying this but the current incarnation of Drakpa Gyeltsen has been saying YES since May 25,2013. I'm not saying this but a "PASTOR" on Tsem Tulku's website has said to me YES.

First, go on this very website (dorjeshugden.com) and type in the search box, "A prayer by the current incarnation of Drakpa Gyeltsen". This article is dated May 25, 2013 and it is a letter from the current incarnation of Drakpa Gyeltsen. In his letter he wrote, "......YOU ARE MY BUDDHA,MY YIDAM, MY PROTECTOR AND MY COMPLETE SOURCE OF BLESSING...." I invite you to read the full story. If the current incarnation of Drakpa Gyeltsen states, YES that Dorje Shugden is his BUDDHA and his YIDAM I believe we can also say YES.

Second, go to this very website (dorjeshugden.com) and type in the search box, "Dharma demystified Dorje Shugden as a Yidam". This article was dated December 16, 2013 and I invite you to read the full story. The article ends stating that all it would take would be for a follower of Dorje Shugden to ask a qualified Lama to create an empowerment and sadhana for a Dorje Shugden YIDAM practice. We can also ask a Dorje Shugden Oracle to have D.S. take trance of him to create an empowerment and sadhana for a Dorje Shugden practice. This was exactly what happened in the creation of the "Dorje Shugden Dice Divination". An Oracle of Dorje Shugden was taken trance of by him and while in trance he created the "Dorje Shugden Dice Divination". Imagine Dorje Shugden creating his very own empowerment and sadhana for all of his followers.

Third, go to Tsem Rinpoche's website (tsemrinpoche.com) and check out "Ask a question". Go to page 6 and you will see that I asked Tsem Rinpoche's, "Pastor", the question if I could use Dorje Shugden as my "YIDAM". His official answer on behalf of Tsem Rinpoche was, YES, "Dear Harold Musetescu - Since Dorje Shugden is an enlightened being he can be relied upon as a YIDAM.....". Now Tsem Rinpoche through his "Pastor" says YES we can have Dorje Shugden as our "YIDAM". I'm not saying it but Tsem Rinpoche is saying,YES, we can rely upon Dorje Shugden as our YIDAM.

All we need now as followers of Dorje Shugden is to have either a Dorje Shugden Oracle or a qualified Lama
create the empowerment and sadhana. We can ask His Eminence Tsem Tulku Rinpoche, the greatest public fighter in the world for Dorje Shugden for his help in this matter. You can email him at "[email protected]" and ask him for his help in getting Dorje Shugden made a YIDAM.

So is Dorje Shugden a "YIDAM"? I, Tsem Rinpoche and the current incarnation of Drakpa Gyeltsen all say YES.

Do you say YES???


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Re: Dorje Shugden is a "YIDAM" ?????
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2016, 06:17:33 PM »
Dear Harold,

Any Buddha or a fully enlightened being can be a Yidam. And because Dorje Shugden is none other than Manjushri, then of course Dorje Shugden can be propitiated as a Yidam.

The Five Forms of Dorje Shugden correspond with the Five Dhyani Buddhas and there are many hints that Dorje Shugden may be regarded as a Yidam from the various implements and iconography of the Shugden Five Families.

Older depictions of Dorje Shugden has the Protector holding a torn-out human heart to his mouth, as if to eat it. The consuming of the heart of the enemy and its life vessels held on the Wisdom hand (left), on an esoteric level may be seen as representing the deity's purpose the activation of of the winds, drops and channels in the completion stage of the meditational practice.

In addition, the wavy sword that Dorje Shugden wields (as opposed to Manjushri's sword) can be regarded as the Buddhist 'water-knife' which represents the severing of samsara's cyclic existence.

However, today Dorje Shugden that is commonly being propitiated as a Dharma Protector and until such time when a qualified Guru writes the sadhana to worship him as a Yidam, Dorje Shugden remains a protector practice intended to protect practitioners and create conditions for practitioners to qualify for higher practices.

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Re: Dorje Shugden is a "YIDAM" ?????
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2016, 07:08:10 PM »
To Varjatruth

Takes for your insights.

So all we need to do is contact a qualified Lama to get Dorje Shugden made into a formal YIDAM.
How about a mass email campaign to H.E. Tsem Rinpoche. Who could be a more qualified Lama than the greatest public fighter for Dorje Shugden in the world. Lets all start emailing him at "mail.tsemladrang.com".
If will all does this we may have a Dorje Shugden YIDAM empowerment and sadhana practice before 2017.

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Re: Dorje Shugden is a "YIDAM" ?????
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2016, 08:34:50 PM »
Hi Harold,

You are right. It is unspoken that Dorje Shugden could be regarded and propitiated as a Yidam. This is all wonderful but I think it is important for practitioners to realize that there is a ban on Dorje Shugden.

We need to uplift this ban one way or another because no matter how much we promote and talk about Dorje Shugden, everyone else just thinks it is a spirit. Hence, it is not time yet for Dorje Shugden to arise as a Yidam until the ban is over and people in general would be receptive to the idea that Dorje Shugden could be regarded as a Yidam.

Harold Musetescu

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Re: Dorje Shugden is a "YIDAM" ?????
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2016, 10:14:25 PM »
Dear Big Uncle

We the followers of Dorje Shugden all "realize that there is a ban on Dorje Shugden".

You say "everyone else just thinks it is a spirit" and "..It is not time yet for Dorje Shugden to arise as a Yidam until the ban is over".

We the followers of Dorje Shugden should NEVER CARE what others think. Our SAMAYA is to Dorje Shugden our BUDDHA, OUR LAMA, OUR YIDAM AND OUR PROTECTOR. We should be like METHAR who gave his live for his LAMA AND KACHE MARPO.

DORJE SHUGDEN ASKS FOR NO MORE AND NO LESS OF US!!!!!

I say as the spirit of Methar would also say IT IS TIME FOR DORJE SHUGDEN TO BE WORSHIPPED AS OUR BUDDHA, OUR LAMA, OUR YIDAM AND OUR PROTECTOR.

LONG LIVE KING DORJE SHUGDEN

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Re: Dorje Shugden is a "YIDAM" ?????
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2016, 02:49:22 AM »
Having a ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden means that there are a lot of Tibetans in exile  who are in a very difficult position to even practice the basic practice of Dorje Shugden. For them to progress on their path, the ban should be lifted, so that the real practitioners can practice openly without fear or prejudice.

But, also it is good to know that Dorje Shugden can be a yidam. Alfter all, he is an enlightened Buddha. Without the the lamas will find it easier to give the empowerment, and also for the practitioners to go for empowerment.

And, as was mentioned in the various replies, the sadhana and commentaries need to be written by a qualified lama first. But, then again, we can always make aspirations to be able to practice Dorje Shugden as our Yidam.

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Re: Dorje Shugden is a "YIDAM" ?????
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2016, 09:29:06 AM »
Oh wow Dorje Shugden can be a YIDAM? I knew it!
I guess it is kind of logical since He is after all Manjushri, an Enlightened Dharma Protector who was in previous lives a great Lama. I do not doubt this fact but I do agree before we can jump up and down and get this great empowerment, sadhana, and all, we need to bring down the ban and stop the discrimination on Dorje Shugden. Why? Why should we care, because it is the humane and right thing to do when so many of our dharma friends, brothers, and sisters, and lamas, including Tsem Rinpoche is constantly being abused and probably even threatened.

Which Lama would dare to give an open initiation to the millions without protection, if their lives are constantly being threatened because this ban of Shugden, which is still going on as we have fanatical followers of His Holiness who likes to deal with things their own ruthless way, and HHDL says nothing about it to stop them. Not even a simple word to tell them to practice compassion. How come this compassion teaching is lectured all around the world but not in home base Dharamsala towards Dorje Shugden practitioner? How can I practice Dorje Shugden as my yidam in "peace" knowing this fact?

The fact that people are getting slandered, beaten, spat at, discriminated and abused day in day out; innocent kids are even being rejected from schools, we are all being look at as pariahs of society. How could anyone relax and let it be since we are not the ones directly being abused, we should relax? No, cause we certainly can feel the ramifications of it, because whatever works we want to do to spread Dorje Shugden it is 10 times harder due to the discrimination.

You know that there are even certain Dharma centres who will not allow you to buy something if you are a Dorje Shugden practitioner... I mean is that a breach of my consumer right as well as my human rights or what? This is ridiculous! Can't imagine doing other more important things like inviting great lamas. Look at what they did to H.E. Yongyal Rinpoche who wanted to go spread Dharma... http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/cta-manipulated-yongyal-rinpoche-to-be-detained/
and here... http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/india-deports-kyabje-yongyal-rinpoche/

How can my faith be questioned just because I wish to purchase a Dharma book? What kind of a DHarma centre would call themselves a Dharma centre who will scrutinise and dismiss people just because the are Shugden practitioners?

So yes although it is all great and wonderful that we can propitiate Dorje Shugden as a Yidam, but let's start to be able to propitiate him FREELY without FEAR as our DHARMA PROTECTOR first. I believe that would be the way to go, if it is not for ourselves at least the others, for those who are directly facing the brunt of this sick injustice that MUST be brought really be brought down. So many things are affected by it, directly and indirectly. The spreading of Dharma becomes even harder.

So we need to ask what we can do to help bring the ban down? The more we spread the benefit and positive side of Dorje Shugden everywhere online and offline, the more we stand a chance to bring awareness to the world, for someone, or something to happen... to create the causes for the ban to be removed. NKT/ISC has all stopped all protests and anything that highlights the ban, it is one less voice, which was a big one to spread this injustice.

We should all come together and speak boldly yet respectfully, and creatively on the ban and request over and over until the CTA is blue and HHDL does something to say something positive like "okay okay you irritating Shugden people there is no ban! Stop saying there is." then we can MAYBE feel a little bit safer I hope. 

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Re: Dorje Shugden is a "YIDAM" ?????
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2016, 09:54:51 AM »
Dear Harold,
Thank you for sharing this, as well as your initiative in asking and requesting H.E. Tsem Rinpoche to create an empowerment and sadhana for a Dorje Shugden Yidam practice.

Yidam practices let practitioners focus on a particular Buddha or deity they have a strong karmic connection with, or a yidam that would be identified by the lama as suitable for a practitioner at a certain stage to overcome obstacles or issues to progress on the path.

Definitely a Yes from me, if there are more yidams available out there, people who have different aptitudes/ karmic connections/ obstacles/ issues will have more 'options'  available. It's like having another additional or new specialist doctor in the hospital, which means more people can be helped.

If a sadhana is then composed, it substantiates that fact that Dorje Shugden is a supramundane and enlightened being, definitely good news for people to develop more faith in Dorje Shugden.

To be realistic, even for Dorje Shugden to be practised as a protector we face so many issues, now worse with Shugden worshippers officially labelled as criminals by the Central Tibetan Administration. How can we effectively propogate and promote Dorje Shugden as a yidam and ensure the continuation of this lineage?

My personal opinion is that the motivation for Dorje Shugden's practice to be a yidam practice is to benefit sentient beings, it is not a 'cocktail' concocted for a priviledged few, or just a matter of our samaya with Dorje Shugden. I agree with Big Uncle and grandmapele that the priority for us as Shugden worshippers should be focused on lifting the ban so that the currently 'endangered' or 'illegal' practice of Dorje Shugden can proliferate more, and current worshippers and practitioners do not suffer for another 20 years.

We can write letters to your local council or representative requesting them to take strong action against the persecution of Shugden Buddhists in your community. We can awareness of the on-going persecution of Shugden Buddhists by sharing about the ban on social media. The least, we can request for dialogue with the Dalai Lama’s representatives to resolve this issue peacefully by signing the petition: http://chn.ge/1Ukv3iY .

Having said that, there is no harm emailing H.E. Tsem Rinpoche to create the cause for Dorje Shugden to be practised as a yidam - send the emails!

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Re: Dorje Shugden is a "YIDAM" ?????
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2016, 12:11:28 PM »
We can ask either the Panglung Kuten in Taiwan or Ari Kuten in Bloomingtion, Indiana , USA to go into trance and let Dorje Shugden decide this matter. Tsem Tulku is personal friends with the Panglung Kuten and could ask him for his help in this urgent matter.

If Dorje Shugden's  answer is "YES" then he can through his Kuten create the empowerment and sadhana for his YIDAM practice. We know that the Dorje Shugden Dice Divination was created by Dorje Shugden through one of his Kuten's.

We must be honest with ourselves and admit the Dalai Lama will never lift his ban. Not in this life time and not in his next. The Dalai Lama will be the winner and we the losers if we sit on our hands and wait for him to change his mind.

We must have the courage and devotion of the Dharmapala Methar who fought and died for his Lama, His Holiness Demo Tulku. We must have the courage and devotion of the Dharmapala Methar who fought and died for his Dharmapala Kache Marpo. We must have the courage and devotion of the Dharmapala Methar who fought and died when the Tengyeling Kuten told them that Kache Marpo  said "Fight with the Chinese against this evil Dalai Lama." Methar fought and died for his Lama, his monastery and his Dharmapala.

This is why the Dhamapala Methar practice is so rare and given to so few as a practice. The WRATHFUL Methar practice comes with a PRICE AND A REWARD. What PRICE are you willing to pay for Dorje Shugden. What  REWARD will we receive from Dorje Shugden in this life and our NEXT if we do fight for his YIDAM practice against the evil Dalai Lama.

We must stand up for Dorje Shugden and PUBLICLY worship him as our "YIDAM".

LONG LIFE TO DORJE SHUGDEN OUR BUDDHA,OUR LAMA, OUR YIDAM AND OUR PROTECTOR.

LONG LIFE TO  KACHE MARPO AND METHAR.

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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2016, 04:20:40 PM »
I am happy to learn that Protector Dorje Shugden can be practised as a Yidam. However I feel that Harold's insistence on having the Yidam practise now is "jumping the gun". As we know the Shugden practitioners, especially those living within Tibetan-In-Exile communities are facing so much sufferings from the hands of the Anti-Shugdens. Imagine if we were to start practicing Lord Dorje Shugden as a Yidam. How much more will they suffer when the Anti-Shugdens step up on the abuses to stop this from happening? To them to practise a spirit as Protector is bad enough, what more as a Yidam? Most importantly, the high Lamas who propitiates Shugden will face life threatening actions as the Anti-Shugdens will go all out to stop a "spirit" being propitiated as a Yidam. Sorry to be blunt but will you be able to live with the knowledge that to fulfil your wishes, many will face more painful sufferings or death, Harold?

For me, it will be good to have this aspiration to have Lord Dorje Shugden aa our Yidam practise but the ban should be lifted first. Nothing is permanent and we can't be sure if the Dalai Lama will not change his stance but as suggested by Vajraprotector, "We can write letters to your local council or representative requesting them to take strong action against the persecution of Shugden Buddhists in your community. We can awareness of the on-going persecution of Shugden Buddhists by sharing about the ban on social media. The least, we can request for dialogue with the Dalai Lama’s representatives to resolve this issue peacefully by signing the petition: http://chn.ge/1Ukv3iY ."

Thank you Harold for bringing up this awareness and hope you will be part of helping lift the ban in order for the practise of Dorje Shugden as a Yidam to be possible.

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Re: Dorje Shugden is a "YIDAM" ?????
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2016, 07:14:57 PM »
Would it have helped the Jews in Europe in the 1930's to send a petition to Adolph Hitler asking him to stop?

The Jews of World War 11 stood by a did nothing while they were being destroyed. The Jews of modern day Israel say "NEVER AGAIN".

I have sent an email to the Gameng Kuten (Ari Kuten) in Bloomington, Ohio, USA regarding making Dorje Shugden a Yidam.

I say "NEVER AGAIN" to the 14th Dalai Lama.

















Harold Musetescu

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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2016, 07:39:51 PM »
If anyone else would like to contact the Gameng Kuten to ask that Dorje Shugden be officially made into a YIDAM email, [email protected].

Now that's a petition!!!

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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2016, 08:45:57 AM »
There are no cons regarding having Dorje Shugden as a Yidam. If a highly qualified Lama such as H.E. the 25th Tsem Rinpoche thinks that it is time, then it is time to contact Dorje Shugden to ask for a Yidam practice.

To me, this is a determination to be made by a highly qualified Lama and not anyone else.

Also with regards to the "ban", it should not be a factor as Yidam practices are secret in nature and can be secretly conferred to a practitioner. There is no need for anyone to know.

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Re: Dorje Shugden is a "YIDAM" ?????
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2016, 02:28:07 AM »
Dorje Shugden as a Yidam is a subject debated for a long time, but I have not heard of it being possible until I read what you have wrote here from Tsem Rinpoche. If Dorje Shugden's practice becomes a yidam practice, then that would be incredibly beneficial for so many people. I do hope very much that a Lama or Dorje Shugden through an oracle would give us this practice.

Starting a petition for Dorje Shugden Yidam practice is a great idea. Though I heard Tsem Rinpoche, despite having a modern approach for Dharma, is in essence very traditional. I wonder if sending a petition would fly lol.

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Re: Dorje Shugden is a "YIDAM" ?????
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2016, 09:59:53 AM »
To Q

You stated, "I wonder if sending a petition would fly".
Why don't you and in fact why don't we all send a petition to Tsem Tulku and the Gameng Oracle.
I've giving you their email addresses.
If as a result of our actions Dorje Shugden's empowerment and sadhana as a YIDAM occurs we can all tell our grandchild we had a small part in it.
What KARMA do we create for ourselves if we DO send a petition?  What KARMA do we create for ourselves if we DON'T????