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Big Uncle

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Can you believe this? They don't have substantial evidence and they are just pinning the blame on Dorje Shugden. How can this be? Just because the monks who were murdered were practitioners of Dorje Shugden, it means that all practitioners of Dorje Shugden are evil. How can this be? They give long-winded explanation about the nature of Dorje Shugden and the false history that Dorje Shugden was once a monk who died with a bad prayer. It just doesn't make any sense.

They don't explain that Dorje Shugden remains unsubdued until today despite countless fire pujas and wrathful rituals were hurled at him all the time. Don't they realized that just because one of the Dalai Lama's disciples turned out to be a murderer, doesn't mean that the Dalai Lama is a murderer as well. The logic is a farce and all such conclusions are just laughable. 

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Re: Check out this ridiculous video about murderous DS practitioners...
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2012, 04:29:56 PM »
Thank you Big Uncle for sharing this "B" grade propaganda movie ! it is really a poor attempt , with the 'bollywood" style voice over of Dorje Shugden requesting help , that was really funny.

And of course they had to be long winded in explaining Dorje Shugden's nature and History, thats because they omitted so many Historical facts that they had to beat around the bush to cover the truth.

The testimonial of the Indian Police Chief was also full of holes that he sound like he read from a bollywood movie script, LOL. All he had was a list of six suspects who are also "allegedly" Dorje Shugden practitioners and were monks.

There were no other substantive evidence linking these suspects to the murder, all they have is circumstantial evidence. As for those letters of threat towards the Dalai Lama's followers ,they could have been sent by anyone. The only fair and reasonable statement i found believable would be that of the chairman of the Tibetan Public Service Commission. The fact that he dared to asked those tibetan who were unfairly dismissed to prove their case was fair, if it were true it would not be hard to prove.

What i totally found disgusting was how they tried to tarnish Gangchen Rinpoche as being a traitor to their cause. Well i guess this lame production is the result of all the pressure being exerted from people from all over the world on the Central Tibetan Administration for the injustice suffered by the victims of the ban. They must have been pushing the CTA 's buttons in the right places for them to respond with this production. Keep up the GOOD WORK!

 


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Re: Check out this ridiculous video about murderous DS practitioners...
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2012, 06:07:14 PM »
Thank you Big Uncle for sharing this "B" grade propaganda movie ! it is really a poor attempt , with the 'bollywood" style voice over of Dorje Shugden requesting help , that was really funny.

The testimonial of the Indian Police Chief was also full of holes that he sound like he read from a bollywood movie script, LOL. All he had was a list of six suspects who are also "allegedly" Dorje Shugden practitioners and were monks.

Too much of Bollywood movies in India and they forgot the logical structures and practices of monastic debate  ;D ? I am sure many Shugden practitioners, who also happened to be great masters/Geshes with background of daily debates in logic and philosophy would find this extremely ridiculous.

It was said that this issue has remained a controversial issue for some 300 years. On the contrary, Dorje Shugden has been a Dharma Protector (of the Sakya and Gelug traditions) and worshipped for over three hundred years and it was never controversial. The controversy was the death of Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen, not the practice itself.
 
About the crime of the Triple Murder, Indian police interviewed several men they identified as worshippers of Dorje Shugden, but could not formally charge anyone due to the lack of any evidence. However, the crime of violence/discrimination against Dorje Shugden practitioners is very apparent and many interviews/ documentaries have shown this to be true.

May be whoever that produced this video should be reminded that it was the other party who was "murderous", causing Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen to arise as a protector. If they didn't murder him, we won't have this protector today  ;D

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Re: Check out this ridiculous video about murderous DS practitioners...
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2012, 02:05:27 PM »
Ok, I need to stress my point again. The murders has got nothing to do with Dorje Shugden. Dorje Shugden didn't emanate into those monks in order to kill and Dorje Shugden didn't brainwash his practitioners to do that either. The video's weak explanation reveals how archaic and superstitious the Tibetans are. The funny thing is that this is totally opposite of what Buddhism is all about. Buddhism should be about compassion and not twisting facts around to justify a cause. 

The really sad thing is that this is all they have to justify the ban on Dorje Shugden. Just because of this murder, they should ban the practice completely. OMG! Then, they should ban Buddhism completely in the Tibetan community. How many Tibetans commit crime and we Dorje Shugden practitioners can make a movie out of it and bribe the Indian police to say that these people have committed it because they are Buddhist extremist of the CTA. It is all so easy to twist it back at them but alas, we are Buddhist and we cannot do such things. There's karma involved and we are definitely stronger and better than the CTA.


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Re: Check out this ridiculous video about murderous DS practitioners...
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2012, 03:20:23 PM »
This is such a hilarious post and even more hilarious is watching the video! This is how one gets when you've run out of excuses. And you know what only the silly Tibetans sorry to say, who are not exposed and some not even educated will buy in to this sort of none sense!

If you want to BAN Dorje Shugden practice just because of these murders... then yeah you might as BAN the all religions in this world! If there is one religion is this world that none of their practitioners have ever committed a crime, then prove it!

Why go pray in a church, a mosque etc and pretend there is religious harmony and tolerant when there isn't one for Shugdenpas?

They also failed to address the fact that despite their fears in regards to HHDL's life shortened due to this Dorje Shugden practice, His Holiness is very much fit and seems to still be doing a lot while Dorje Shugden practice is still happening  and growing. So there...one perfect evidence to see is...His Holiness! If the claims were right, shouldn't HHDL be life be shortened (sorry).


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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2015, 02:30:33 AM »
I cannot believe why would someone make up stories like this to defame Lord Dorje Shugden and His sacred practise, these people are twisting facts around and misleading people. They call themselves Buddhists like this? OMG, I can't believe that they are not afraid of the karma they have created.

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Re: Check out this ridiculous video about murderous DS practitioners...
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2015, 04:31:57 PM »
This is such a joke! It is like one citizen of a city did something bad, everybody of this city is bad. There is no logic in these accusations.
And this murder story gets spread all over the place, in many books of the Dalai Lama without any legal court judgment.

What a shameful injustice!

May this unfair ban come down as soon as possible!


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Re: Check out this ridiculous video about murderous DS practitioners...
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2015, 10:47:03 AM »
Fully agreed with Pema8.

What a joke! Until today, people still telling me Dorje Shugden is bad due to this incidence that the police has not charged anyone guilty on this crime. Even the suspects are Dorje Shugden practitioners, how could they say that it is Dorje Shugden who ordered them to kill?

Can we say a Hindu / Muslim / Christian murderer who kill someone due to the Hindu God/ Allah / Jesus’s order? So illogical!
The CTA and anti-dorje Shugden people are just putting baseless blame on Dorje Shugden!

May the ban be lifted soon and all there will be no more baseless accuse against Dorje Shugden. Most of all, may the Shugden practitioners able to have their rights back to practice their religion peacefully.

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Re: Check out this ridiculous video about murderous DS practitioners...
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2015, 02:55:03 PM »
This video is really really ridiculous indeed. I really can't believe the fact that they dared put the blame on two monks even without concrete proof. What is even worse is that they blame it on Dorje Shugden and say all Dorje Shugden practitioners are evil.

Why in the world would Dorje Shugden want to create the causes for the murder of someone who didn't do anything with the motive to harm or hurt anyone.

 This case is really unaccounted for, not only for the two monks who allegedly committed the crime , (If innocent) and also for the murder victims and their next of kin because the true murderer/murderers are not behind bars.