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dsiluvu

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Fabrizio Pallotti - From Sangha to Traitor?
« on: July 06, 2014, 03:52:04 AM »
Fabrizio Pallotti


This is a very well written, good point refuted and to ponder, good logical interesting article which gives us insights in to the lies of FPMT student and one great example of how the BAN has really pushed every student to show their TRUE COLOURS AND AGENDA and well like I said in my edition to the title.. "Srom a Sangha (who we take refuge) to "Traitor"! Taking sides due to many reasons I am sure, one of them is obvious, to look good in the Dalai Lama's books, what a shame Fabrizio! I wished so much His Eminence Lama Zopa would be spared from this dilemma, I am sure He was pressured too to take sides. Wished he had loyal brave students that will stand by him and say No to those who forced FPMT to take on the stand of anti-Shugden. But not only did they do that, they continue till this day to be some kind of Shugden police and cause many schism amongst sangha and other Buddhist centre. If everything has karma... shouldn't such negative actions be stopped? Well reading how Fabrizio could lie just like that... sure tells us a lot about the loyalties and samayas of the students there!



Fabrizio Pallotti, who has previously received teachings from masters such as H.H. Trijang Rinpoche, Zong Rinpoche and Lama Yeshe, who now claims that the Dharma Protector his teachers relied upon is a demon

On April 26, 2014, journalist Johannes Nugroho published an article about the undemocratic and illogical ban on Dorje Shugden (click HERE). His article invited many comments in response. One such comment which listed the names of some highly realised practitioners who had relied on Dorje Shugden, including Ribur Rinpoche.

On May 1, 2014, Fabrizio Pallotti wrote to refute this, claiming that Ribur Rinpoche had not practised Dorje Shugden since the 1970s. Here, DorjeShugden.com presents to you Johannes’ original article, as well as Fabrizio’s comment. We highlight and counter the inaccuracies of Fabrizio Pallotti’s comment and it’s negative implications that reflect FPMT’s current stance.

Fabrizio was commenting in response to this article by Johannes Nugroho – http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2014/04/26/dalai-lama-troubled-over-shugden-worship/
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Our response
By: Kay Beswick
(Information received from Yeshe Sangye)

Fabrizio,

1. Did you and FPMT not follow Lama Yeshe for many years? Did you not receive many teachings, transmissions and empowerments from Lama Yeshe? So was Lama Yeshe wrong too for practicing Shugden? If he is wrong, where does that leave your practices that you received from him? When you visualize Lama Yeshe in your practices, do you see him as an enlightened or unenlightened teacher due to his practice of Shugden? Think thoroughly.

2. Did Lama Yeshe not follow Dorje Shugden till the end? Of course, Lama Yeshe was a devoted follower of Dorje Shugden till the end. He even requested great lamas to confer Shugden sogtae (empowerment) onto his students and encouraged his students to practice Shugden. So what does that make Lama Yeshe? A devil worshipper? A Dolgyal follower? Was Lama Yeshe stupid, confused, bewildered and without any wisdom? Because he practiced Shugden, are you saying that the founder of FPMT is without wisdom and a follower of evil? Is that the conclusion you would like us to have?


Lama Yeshe (far right) performs puja in front of a Dorje Shugden thangka, with Lama Zopa (second from right)

3. Did you and FPMT not take teachings from H.H. Kyabje Zong Rinpoche? Did he not follow Shugden till the end? Is Kyabje Zong Rinpoche wrong? A devil worshipper? Someone who took money from the Chinese government to destabilize Tibetan refugees in India? Was Kyabje Zong Rinpoche on the Chinese payroll too? The CTA likes to say that about all lamas who practice Shugden. Do you agree with that? Do you agree that Kyabje Zong Rinpoche was unenlightened? That he was wrong? That he was taking money from Chinese? When you do your practices, how do you visualize Kyabje Zong Rinpoche as your lama and lineage lama or devil worshipper who went wrong? Is Zong Rinpoche someone who is wrong and who worshipped the devil Dolgyal too? Is that how you would like to see this lama? Do listen to the advice on Shugden by H.H. Kyabje Zong Rinpoche:
DORJE SHUGDEN by Kyabje Zong Rinpoche Small | Large



Fabrizio Pallotti circled in red, with Lama Yeshe taken during a Dharma celebration in India, 1982

4. Did you and FPMT not take teachings from H.H. Trijang Rinpoche and did he not follow Shugden till the end? Why do you deny all of the lamas you and FPMT have followed, and only highlight Ribur Rinpoche? Was His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche wrong too? Was Trijang Rinpoche a devil Dolgyal worshipper also? Was His Holiness Yongzin Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang also on the Chinese payroll? CTA accuses all Shugden practitioners as being agents of the Chinese and on their payroll. So for all of the sadhanas, prayers, compositions that were composed by Yongzin Trijang Rinpoche which are used by FPMT, Sera, Drepung and Ganden, does that mean they are all ineffective and impotent of blessings? How can all of you use the works written by a Dolgyal worshipper? How can a Dolgyal worshipper’s writings confer enlightenment? When you do your practices, how do you visualize Trijang Rinpoche? As a devil Dolgyal worshipper who makes mistakes? As a devil worshipper without attainments? Without any deep experiences in dharma? Since you feel Trijang Rinpoche is a devil worshipper, then in your eyes he has broken his refuge vows and unqualified to teach. Does that mean all the transmissions he gave to Dalai Lama and FPMT are nullified, impotent and without blessings? Is it your conclusion that many of the teachings of which Trijang Rinpoche is the source, are now nullified and without power of blessings or ability to confer attainments? Is that what you believe? Did His Holiness Kyabje Yongzin Trijang Dorje Chang also break his refuge vows and fall to the Three Lower Realms because of his close relationship with Dorje Shugden? Dalai Lama says Shugden is evil and brings harms. It’s against our refuge vows. But Dalai Lama’s root teacher says clearly Shugden is Manjushri. Which one is it? Please consider this carefully.

Since the ban on Shugden and the harsh speeches against Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche by the CTA, what has been accomplished? Is there more harmony now among the sects or less? Is there more harmony within the Tibetan communities and international Buddhist communities or less? The CTA is speaking against every lineage lama that FPMT once held dear and holy, yet you seem to go along with this. Are Geshe Rabten, Kyabje Pabongka Dorje Chang, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, Lama Yeshe, Kyabje Zong Rinpoche all wrong? Are they all devil worshippers because they relied on Shugden? In your estimation, are all of them are wrong and only Dalai Lama is right?

Continue the reading the rest at: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/fabrizio-pallotti/

Important question: All those who supported Lama Yeshe like Zina Rachevsky all went to the Three Lower Realms following their lama? Lama Yeshe made a huge ‘mistake’ to practice Shugden throughout his life. Was Lama Yeshe a devil worshipper who went to the Three Lower Realms because he practiced Dorje Shugden?


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Re: Fabrizio Pallotti - From Sangha to Traitor?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2014, 02:27:36 AM »
I think when he is a monk near Zong RInpoche, in the latter (it looks like) part of Zong RInpoche's life, probably Fabrizio is like some other FPMT people who come and as Dsluvu says acts as Dharma Police.  I think some of the FPMT students got brainwashed--- that is they really believed the thing where the Dorje SHugden practice supposedly harms the Dalai Lama's life--- they don't understand enough of the sutra teachings of Buddha, to understand that that doesn't make sense--- or the tantra either.  So I  think a lot of them sort of try to find out what the practitioners that still do Dorje Shugden are up to.  The issue is, in reality, we aren't up to anything (the actual Dorje Shugden practitioners) and we are only saying prayers.  So, okay, maybe he was "Sangha" and then is "traitor" but really, he was probably just not with Dorje Shugden to begin with--- there are a lot of people like this in the world, who check us out, some don't mind showing up at ceremonies, even ordination, in other schools, such is their devotion to protecting the Dalai Lama.... from Buddha Manjushri.... ah.  I guess a lot of the time they are trying to see if they can help wipe the practice off the earth too--- because they got mixed up and thought no one can do this--- even though Buddha taught us not to be dogmatic.