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Beautiful expression of Guru-disciple concept.
« on: June 29, 2014, 10:02:58 PM »


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At 4.17min of the video:

"... then he talks about the two birds on that tree, one Guru one Cela (disciple). And this is the Upanishad verse of the two birds.... one eats the fruits and one witnesses... this is the self, you eat the fruits, of course you taste it and enjoy it, everything of that life has to offer, but you also witness. That is also the self, that part of the self which is the witness itself. Which is not the aspect of self-indulgence.

... and he makes binary, he makes the duality. But when you think of the reason and the philosophy, that the Guru and the Cela (disciple) are not separate..."

What do you think?
Is this also applies to Buddhist philosophy?




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Re: Beautiful expression of Guru-disciple concept.
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2014, 10:41:40 PM »
The above song by Vidhya Rao is based on a poem by famous Indian poet Kabir [1398-1488].

Kabir was a weaver and mystic poet from northern India and lived in Hindu holy city of Benares. He was an important influence on the Hindus and Muslims of his time and also a profound influence on Guru Nanak, the first guru of the Sikh religion. Many poems of Kabir can be found in the Guru Granth Sahib, the sacred scriptures that form the Guru of Sikhism.

In the earlier parts of the above video, we see that the song itself is a beautiful teaching...

The poem talks about acknowledging and appreciating the experience from our 5 senses without indulgence and attachment (clinging).

"...The strings snap, pegs lie scattered;
     The sweetness has turned to dust;
     Don't cling in vain to this body... "


The song is teaching us the concept of Impermanence, with melody...

The poet Kabir is of Muslim and Hindu faiths but his poem is similar to Buddhist teachings, how wonderful...


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Re: Beautiful expression of Guru-disciple concept.
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2014, 04:56:39 AM »
The practice of Guru-Disciple is that of an ego(disciple) with that of a non-self (Guru) with the Guru trying to help the disciple and the disciple trying to practice merging the self with that of the selfless.
It is like a wave of the ocean trying to merge with the ocean. The wave is physically part of the ocean but for a temporary moment thinks that it has a self. That merging is necessary from the inner/mental side. Otherwise, after physically merging with the Ocean, this "former" wave will emerge as different waves time after time for eternity, all the while suffering from this self existence.
So while there is ultimately only one, the disciple has duality and that is the cause of cyclic existence and suffering.
I think this song is spiritual but still fall short ultimately.

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Re: Beautiful expression of Guru-disciple concept.
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2014, 02:08:22 AM »
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Is this also applies to Buddhist philosophy?

Of course not. This is the very opposite of Buddhist philosophy. Just like the two birds, the guru is compared to the witnessing ”self”, while the disciple is compared to the self who enjoys tastes etc., and is witnessed by the other ”self”.

This is a classic expression of the non-Buddhist view of a permanent, indivisible, and independent ”self”, ”purusha”, or ”atman”, which is denied by the quintessencial Buddhist doctrine of ”anatma”, or ”anatta”, or ”selflessness”.