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Re: What is the Right View of The Dalai Lama
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2014, 03:22:38 PM »
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Likewise with HH Trijang Rinpoche, HE Gangchen Rinpoche, HE Gonsar Rinpoche and many other Dorje Shugden lamas. They have not said that the Dalai Lama is a fake. At least not that i have heard of.

Why should they? This is a purely political issue, and such pure lamas are not into politics.

But for those who are into politics, thus deifying the evil criminal, it makes perfect sense to realize his fakeness.

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Re: What is the Right View of The Dalai Lama
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2014, 04:35:32 PM »
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The Dalai Lama did not put Buddhism at the centre stage of the world by fumbling and being silly or
deception.

Don't fool yourself. It is not that the evil dalai ”put Buddhism at the centre stage of the world”, but rather that Western geopolitics masterminds put the evil dalai as a puppet at the centre stage of the world, as a weapon against China, and using a pretense of Buddhism as a convenient cover.

And, since Western geopolitics masterminds are psycopathic practicing Jews such as Henry Kissinger, they are all hell bent on destroying whatever and whoever does not submit to their jealous, power-obsessed ”god” Jehovah, as commanded by their scriptures, and thus are hell bent on destroying Buddhism, together with every other form or shape of ”paganism”.

Now the evil dalai, having put himself as a puppet at the service of such Abrahamic barbarians, is the internal enemy of Buddhism, a transvestite of Buddhist, himself hell bent on destroying a pure tradition such as the Gelugpa, and replacing it with his catholic, witch-hunting ”rime” criminal ideology, so that he can receive his allowance from some Jewish bankster at the end of the month.

And since one picture says more than one thousand words, below follows the picture of George Soros, the specific Jewish bankster and convicted criminal paying the evil dalai's monthly allowances.

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Re: What is the Right View of The Dalai Lama
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2014, 04:45:55 PM »
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Now, why those propounding a ”pure view” of the evil dalai do not build shrines to and prostrate themselves to Jack the Ripper or Osama bin Laden, calling them ”His Holiness” as well? Where is their ”pure view”?

Nowhere. Their alleged ”pure view” is just a narcissistic way of justifying their own identification and accomplicity with crime, and with criminals such a the evil dalai.

Such alleged ”pure view” has nothing to do with Dharma, but only with their own self-aggrandizing personality disorder, and with their need to feel good while supporting evil.

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Re: What is the Right View of The Dalai Lama
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2014, 05:17:58 PM »
It is sad that people continue to ignore the advice of Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche concerning the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden. People always choose to view the Dalai Lama through ordinary perception and worse of all, they call him names and say he is evil.

The funny thing is history is replete with Mahasiddhas that were called evil and bad... Dorje Shugden was once Birwapa, whose name meant goitered hero. Monks from Nalanda used to think he was a bad monk who slept with women. In actuality, he was gaining higher grounds on the path of Tantra and the women they saw were actually dakinis who descended due to his practice. The monks regretted later when it was finally revealed that Birwapa was highly attained but the karma to received blessings and teachings from a Mahasiddha was over as Birwapa left the monastery and never returned.

If praising attained beings bring us blessings and purification, then the opposite must also be true - degrading and calling attained beings negative names must bring about negative results /karma. This is not to mention that they will never achieve pure perception in tantra that is so necessary in gaining tantric attainments. In other words, more sufferings and more endless rounds in samsara.

Golden words of Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche:-

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But some who are narrow minded, not understanding this point, consider this Dharmapala to be like an ordinary worldly being and, with supposed faith in the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama, disparage him; or else they indeed admire this great Dharmapala but criticize the Dalai Lama or Panchen Lama. Using either one as a reason not to admire the other and speaking badly about either in any way is the conduct of an ordinary being who, under the influence of attachment and hatred, just tries to help friends and hurt enemies; it obscures the increase of these great holy Aryas' deeds and creates the karmic cause to experience unbearable suffering in the future. Why is this true? Because it is utterly impossible that such great beings, who are special emanations of Arya Avalokiteswara and Buddha Amitabha, could lack the power to overcome the harmful force of any sort of magical spell, harmful demon, or spirit. This is because they are both powerful Lords who have overcome external and internal maras without exception. - Page 125 of Music Delighting An Ocean of Protectors

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Re: What is the Right View of The Dalai Lama
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2014, 05:29:24 PM »
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If praising attained beings bring us blessings and purification, then the opposite must also be true.

Surely. Praising criminals such a the evil dalai must result in endless eons of suffering.

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Re: What is the Right View of The Dalai Lama
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2014, 05:52:57 PM »
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Using either one as a reason not to admire the other

Dorje Shugden is never a reason not to admire the evil dalai; the evilness of the latter is.

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and speaking badly about either in any way

”Speaking bad” implies an evil, malicious intent, and the use of lies. Analyzing reality in an impartial way has none of such elements. Meanwhile, covering reality through deification of evil is a behavior fully infected by such improper elements.

Therefore, the warning of Trijang Rinpoche should be taken in the sense that we should analyze reality in an impartial way, not to maliciously cover it through deification of evil.

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is the conduct of an ordinary being who, under the influence of attachment and hatred, just tries to help friends and hurt enemies;

This is precisely what the evil dalai does, whereby we should take the advice of Trijang Rinpoche to heart as a prophetic statement denouncing the evil dalai.

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Re: What is the Right View of The Dalai Lama
« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2014, 05:58:12 PM »
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The funny thing is history is replete with Mahasiddhas that were called evil and bad...

The sad thing is that history is also replete with evil criminals that were and still are sanctified by their sanctimonious acolytes.

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Re: What is the Right View of The Dalai Lama
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2014, 02:46:06 AM »
Buddhism often talks about the motivation behind an act and not the act in itself. However if an action resulted in suffering then that is also a fact. But Buddha also taught that that is the nature of samsara. There will always be suffering in samsara regardless what caused the sufferings.

I don't buy any of the arguments given here. There's a lot of "blind" faith talk here and no real logical reasoning. Everything is about how one perceive Buddha and if one perceive HHTDL to be a Buddha. Perception, perception. We can argue till kingdom come but it still boils down to how one "choose" to perceive a Lama. What is the truth? As ALL of us are supposedly in samsara, we are all subject to wrong views and perceptions. So no two person can perceive the same truth. Your truth will always be different from my truth....and yet we constantly wants to argue our truth is the caoorect one. It's just your perceptions. Everything is just a matter of who's better at convincing people.

The is no right or wrong view about HHTDL. Only He knows what is His true motivation. The rest is just up to every individual to decide for themselves what view they choose to accept as most convincing or convenient to them.

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Re: What is the Right View of The Dalai Lama
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2014, 03:10:46 AM »
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The is no right or wrong view about HHTDL. Only He knows what is His true motivation.

What an unwarranted statement. Samsaric beings in general, and people severely affected by Jekyll and Hyde multiple personality disorder, popularly know as schizophrenia, such as the evil dalai, in particular, are mostly unaware of their own motivations.

Actually, your statement implies that the evil dalai is a buddha, because only buddhas can be fully aware of their own motivations. But since you claim that there is no right or wrong view about the evil dalai, it follows that you are not aware of, and do contradict, your own statements.

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Re: What is the Right View of The Dalai Lama
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2014, 04:18:24 AM »
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Because despite what DL is doing to Dorje Shugden, there is also a lot of other positive things he has done to bring Vajrayana Buddhism to its prime in the West. That we have got to give credit for. If it was not for HHDL, Vajrayana Buddhism would not take root so easily and quickly in the West.

The very root of Vajrayana is reliance on the guru, and the evil dalai derides, defames, and discredits his own root gurus, such as Ling and Trijang Rinpoches.

Therefore, there is zero Vajrayana brought by the evil dalai to the West or anywhere else, and actually the evil entity only brought the disgrace of his own broken vows and commitments, and of instigating people to break their own vows and commitments.

Thus, as far as the evil dalai is concerned, there is nothing we have got to give credit for, except for the example of what not to do, which is a shamefully poor performance for a self-styled ”Chenrezig”.

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Re: What is the Right View of The Dalai Lama
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2014, 04:39:44 AM »
Would an attained being ever bring disrepute on their Guru and what he teaches? What benefit is there in getting people to break their spiritual commitments to their Teachers and to defame a pure spiritual practice and its followers?

If you can answer these questions, I think you can have the right view of the Dalai Lama whose actions are similar to those of Langdharma.

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Re: What is the Right View of The Dalai Lama
« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2014, 05:52:42 AM »
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But some who are narrow minded, not understanding this point, consider this Dharmapala to be like an ordinary worldly being and, with supposed faith in the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama, disparage him; or else they indeed admire this great Dharmapala but criticize the Dalai Lama or Panchen Lama. Using either one as a reason not to admire the other and speaking badly about either in any way is the conduct of an ordinary being who, under the influence of attachment and hatred, just tries to help friends and hurt enemies; it obscures the increase of these great holy Aryas' deeds and creates the karmic cause to experience unbearable suffering in the future. Why is this true? Because it is utterly impossible that such great beings, who are special emanations of Arya Avalokiteswara and Buddha Amitabha, could lack the power to overcome the harmful force of any sort of magical spell, harmful demon, or spirit. This is because they are both powerful Lords who have overcome external and internal maras without exception. - Page 125 of Music Delighting An Ocean of Protectors

Lineageholder what would you say to the passage above? Is Trijang Rinpoche is also a deluded being who does not know what he is talking about, you wanted the passage and now you have it. Trijang Rinpoche is saying not just about Dalai Lama, but the entire buddhist tradition there is no one capable to dispelling a mere demon, that to me is a truth? Plus Trijang Rinpoche is saying Dalai Lama is enlightened hence we should not criticise the actions of the Dalai Lama, so Trijang Rinpoche can be enlightened for a few sentences and unenlightened in the next few? You really can't have it both ways. 

Perhaps you may need to think out of the  box :), that the ban is indeed a skillful way to bring Je Tsongkhapa's tradition to the entire world? Well what Trijang Rinpoche said is good enough for me.

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Re: What is the Right View of The Dalai Lama
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2014, 07:56:35 AM »
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I don't buy any of the arguments given here. There's a lot of "blind" faith talk here and no real logical reasoning.

The problem is that, while attacking wholesale every statement on this thread as lacking ”real logical reasoning”, you lacked the honesty, or maybe the balls, to identify such statements, and why they would lack any ”real logical reasoning”.

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Everything is about how one perceive Buddha and if one perceive HHTDL to be a Buddha. Perception, perception. We can argue till kingdom come but it still boils down to how one "choose" to perceive a Lama. What is the truth?

Your view is the well known non-Buddhist, nihilistic view that there is no reality to be uncovered through investigation and analysis. Reality, in your view, is optional; anything goes as long as you ”choose” it. There is no dependent arising, no cause and result, and no reliable knowledge such as direct perception or inference.

Besides, you attack others for their supposed lack of ”real logical reasoning”, just to be caught with pants down only two lines later, rather illogically implying that a ”real logical reasoning” is not possible at all.

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As ALL of us are supposedly in samsara, we are all subject to wrong views and perceptions. So no two person can perceive the same truth.

Wrong. Direct perception and inference are reliable knowledge, and are within the reach of samsaric beings. If samsaric beings could not perceive the same truths, there would be no right view, no path, and no result.

Besides, according to your own mistaken assumption that all views and perceptions of samsaric beings are wrong, your own statement would be itself a wrong view, which by the way happens to be exactly the case.

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Your truth will always be different from my truth....and yet we constantly wants to argue our truth is the caoorect one.

Some people constantly argue, but are unable to settle their views, because they argue on the basis of, and are attached to, self-contradictory assumptions, such as those stated by you.

Another factor preventing a fruitful discussion is wholesale attacking the views of everyone else, but not specifying what you believe is wrong with them, and why. Honesty is therefore essential. 

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It's just your perceptions. Everything is just a matter of who's better at convincing people.

If so, your own view that ”it's just your perceptions” is itself just your own perception, and thus lacks any reliability or authoritativeness. But, since you claim this view to be reliable or authoritative, you obviously cannot convince anyone of such a self-contradictory garbage.

Your nihilistic, non-Buddhist, and self-contradictory belief that there is no right view, and that everything boils down to rhetoric skills, is also well known in the West since the Greeks as the fallacious, deceptive view of the Sophists, as they were described by Plato.

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The is no right or wrong view about HHTDL.

Which means, for you anything goes. There is no karma, no dependent arising, no right view, no right conduct, no skillful or unskillful actions, and no result of actions. To kill is OK, to lie is OK, to steal is OK, to rape is OK, as long as it is convenient to you. This means that you lack refuge vows, and therefore that you are a non-Buddhist.

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Only He knows what is His true motivation.

From your biblical capitalizations (”He”, ”His”), it is clear that your nihilistic, non-Buddhist views brought you to believe in the divinity of the evil dalai, much as Jews believe in the divinity of their evildoing ”god”.

Maybe one reason why dalaism is so successful in the West is that many people, like you, are just looking for a fanciful, Shangri-la way of keeping their old Jewish-Christian patterns, such as divinizing evil.

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The rest is just up to every individual to decide for themselves what view they choose to accept as most convincing or convenient to them.

Of course. Everyone can choose to a be a Buddhist or, as in your case, to be a non-Buddhist, or even a transvestite of Buddhist.

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Re: What is the Right View of The Dalai Lama
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2014, 09:58:02 AM »
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But some who are narrow minded, not understanding this point, consider this Dharmapala to be like an ordinary worldly being and, with supposed faith in the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama, disparage him; or else they indeed admire this great Dharmapala but criticize the Dalai Lama or Panchen Lama. Using either one as a reason not to admire the other and speaking badly about either in any way is the conduct of an ordinary being who, under the influence of attachment and hatred, just tries to help friends and hurt enemies; it obscures the increase of these great holy Aryas' deeds and creates the karmic cause to experience unbearable suffering in the future. Why is this true? Because it is utterly impossible that such great beings, who are special emanations of Arya Avalokiteswara and Buddha Amitabha, could lack the power to overcome the harmful force of any sort of magical spell, harmful demon, or spirit. This is because they are both powerful Lords who have overcome external and internal maras without exception. - Page 125 of Music Delighting An Ocean of Protectors

Lineageholder what would you say to the passage above? Is Trijang Rinpoche is also a deluded being who does not know what he is talking about, you wanted the passage and now you have it. Trijang Rinpoche is saying not just about Dalai Lama, but the entire buddhist tradition there is no one capable to dispelling a mere demon, that to me is a truth? Plus Trijang Rinpoche is saying Dalai Lama is enlightened hence we should not criticise the actions of the Dalai Lama, so Trijang Rinpoche can be enlightened for a few sentences and unenlightened in the next few? You really can't have it both ways. 

Perhaps you may need to think out of the  box :), that the ban is indeed a skillful way to bring Je Tsongkhapa's tradition to the entire world? Well what Trijang Rinpoche said is good enough for me.

Real Boddhisattvas will never reveal who they are and what they or why the do the things they do. When we study, look back in past history of great Mahasiddhas like Tilopa, Naropa, Biwarpa (who is the line of incarnations of Dorje Shugden) and many more Mahasiddhas. The magicians and saints who founded the lineages of the Tantric tradition was well-known to be unconventional. They always show the opposite and to the impure mind, the commoners, they see only what their karmic perceptions could perceive for them at that moment. So like for some, yes HHDL is in a human form and be judge according to common appearance, yes that may seems “correct” and sensible but that is still only the surface and seems rather weak. Definitely I don’t buy this at all!

Yes based on results... and not physical appearance, I would lean towards the kind advice by H.H. Trijang Rinpoche and to safe guard our body, speech and mind about HHDL or anyone whom we meet actually.

 

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Re: What is the Right View of The Dalai Lama
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2014, 04:41:57 PM »
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Real Boddhisattvas will never reveal who they are and what they or why the do the things they do.

The Buddha clearly declared who he was, what he did, and why he did what he did. As opposed to the evil dalai, he never harmed anyone, did not commit any crimes, and never gave any wrong teachings and examples. I follow the Buddha, you follow a criminal. I am a Buddhist, you are a dalaite.

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Yes based on results... and not physical appearance, I would lean towards the kind advice by H.H. Trijang Rinpoche and to safe guard our body, speech and mind about HHDL or anyone whom we meet actually.

Which ”results”? The horrendous schism created within Tibetan society? The horrendous severance of the sacred bonds between gurus and disciples? The horrendous self-immolations and murderous racist riots? The horrendous, medieval witch hunts?

Why don't you safeguard your body, speech, and mind, refraining from admiring, supporting, and legitimizing an evil criminal together with his crimes? Becoming as you do an accomplice of such crimes you are arguably only safeguarding your own place in hell.