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Dalai Lama's Black Magic
« on: June 12, 2013, 06:44:37 AM »
Here's a hilarious article i found on the Dalai Lama written by someone who has no understanding of anything.

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Is Tibetan Lamaism Buddhism? (2)
Dalai Lama's Black Magic
20 April 2008

Tibetan voodoo believes each life has its source called La. La doesn't have to be located within the body, but can be situated anywhere - on a hill, in a lake or within a beast. One person may have more than one La. Moreover, a family, a tribe or a nation also has its collective La. If you want to destroy your opponents, according to Tibetan Lamaism, the easiest way to achieve the goal is to find out through divination where this person's La locates and then destroy it.



The 5th Dalai Lama is known to be completely obsessed with Black Magic, and exploited some allegedly extremely powerful voodoos to eliminate his political rivals.

One of such super measures to efficiently kill people in a large scale and is Eight Teeth Wheel, which is said can slay hundreds of thousands of people in the blink of an eye.[1]

Another powerful killing machine handed down by the 5th Dalai is so-called “Devil’s Grinding Mill” made of two round stones. It is said that the 5th Dalai Lama held voodoo rituals for the purpose of killing periodically and on every special occasions, and he was convinced that his triumphant over his political rivals had to be attributed mainly to, not the force of the Mongols, but the power of his voodoo. According to Kagyupa document, the lama in question once released five vicious demons from hell to seduce Mongols into a Tibetan trap to meet their doomed fate. [2]

The 14th Dalai has acknowledged that he draws inspiration mainly from 5th Dalai, so how good is this current lama at using the black magic? This is a closely guarded secret in the Tibetan government-in-exile, but still there are traces all over that can help us to gain some insight into his murky world. In Dalai’s autobiography there is a reference on how his black magic caused the death of China’s late leader Mao Zedong. In the book he gives a detailed description of a three-day voodoo ritual taken place with Kalachakra Tantra - a time machine in Lamaism. Following the instructions by the 5th Dalai, the 14th Dalai held a weeks-long prayer session in solitary prior to the ritual. On September 8, 1976, a process to manipulate the "time" began. When the ritual entered the second day, September 9, Mao died. The Dalai described how in the morning of the third day, he found the heaven was in tears, then in the afternoon, he witnessed a most beautiful rainbow in the sky that he ever seen in his life. [3]

Whether it is a true story or a fiction, in the circle of the Tibetan Lamaist followers, the cause of Mao’s death is commonly credited to Dalai’s black magic. And not just Mao, even the death of another Chinese supreme leader Deng Xiaoping is attributed to the power of voodoo, this time it was executed by Dalai’s brother Gyalo Thondup. Deng died on February 12, 1997. Just days before his death he met with the master of the black magic, thus a link between the meeting and the death is conveniently established according to the Lamaist tradition. [4]

Reportedly the 14th Dalai Lama also used this “Devil’s Grinding Mill” in his battle against an army. He drew the La of the enemy troops into mustard seeds, when he learned through omens that he successfully did so, he placed the seeds in the Devil’s Mill and ordered the lamas to grind them into powder. Allegedly the force of destruction was so potent that the lamas who grinded the mill all died soon after the ritual. The mill is still kept in a Yellow Hat Lamaist Monastery KardoGompa outside Lhasa.

[1] Secret visions of the fifth Dalai Lama. The gold manuscript in the fournier collection, London 1988. By Samtsen Gyaltsen Karmay
[2] Zahiruddin Ahmad: Sino-Tibetan relations in the seventeenth century, in: Serie Orientale Roma XL, Roma
[3] Dalai Lama XIV, Das Buch der Freiheit, Bergisch Gladbach 1993
[4] Rene de Nebesky-Wojkowitz: Oracles and demons of Tibet, the cult and Iconography of the Tibetan protective deities, Kathmandu 1993


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Re: Dalai Lama's Black Magic
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2013, 08:24:23 AM »
I have actually heard of Tantric rituals that have descended from India in ancient times that are used to kill one's opponent. However, the ritual would only work if the ritualist or the Tantrika performing the ritual with a Bodhichitta-like motivation. In tantra, killing is absolutely a heinous action and it can only be done with the best of intentions.

However, having said that, it is common knowledge that such rituals have become extinct as many Indian masters refused to transmit those rituals and teachings in fear that they would be abused or met with wrong views about them. Hence, such teachings and lineages have since become the fodder of mystery and magic. That's why I am not surprised it has been brought up many times before. Perhaps, the Tantric liturgy that is being chanted are directly translated and many rituals contain gory references and often violent and graphic descriptions that may seemed very shamanistic and may be easily misunderstood.

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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2013, 12:52:08 AM »
I have actually heard of Tantric rituals that have descended from India in ancient times that are used to kill one's opponent. However, the ritual would only work if the ritualist or the Tantrika performing the ritual with a Bodhichitta-like motivation. In tantra, killing is absolutely a heinous action and it can only be done with the best of intentions.

However, having said that, it is common knowledge that such rituals have become extinct as many Indian masters refused to transmit those rituals and teachings in fear that they would be abused or met with wrong views about them. Hence, such teachings and lineages have since become the fodder of mystery and magic. That's why I am not surprised it has been brought up many times before. Perhaps, the Tantric liturgy that is being chanted are directly translated and many rituals contain gory references and often violent and graphic descriptions that may seemed very shamanistic and may be easily misunderstood.

I am pretty convinced that this is just another sensationalist propaganda that the Chinese have written against the Dalai Lama, but what makes it interesting is that this article was written at 2008, at the height of the Dorje Shugden ban, as if the karma from all the nasty things they said against Dorje Shugden came back in the form of these ridiculous articles against them and we can say that there are people that will believe them, just like how people would be able to believe those rumors against Dorje Shugden and his practitioners. What CTA said against Dorje Shugden practitioners are coming back to them in this way. The whole idea of this article capitalizes on the mystery and lack of knowledge that surrounds tibetan Buddhism, just like how CTA capitalizes on the same thing to position themselves as the authority for Tibetan Buddhism to the Tibetan Buddhists.

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Re: Dalai Lama's Black Magic
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2013, 08:56:03 AM »
There are many different theories about things which cannot be explained by science. As Buddhists, we believe in karma and after life. Christian believe that either people go to heaven or hell after the death. Of course there are other believes that has other theories.

I would say this Black Magic "theory" is just another story to read :)

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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2013, 09:13:49 AM »
There are many different theories about things which cannot be explained by science. As Buddhists, we believe in karma and after life. Christian believe that either people go to heaven or hell after the death. Of course there are other believes that has other theories.

I would say this Black Magic "theory" is just another story to read :)

It may be a story to read for all of us who are aware of what is going on, but it may be something real and true for someone who does not know anything and who is also superstitious at the same time. It also shows us the level of misconceptions that are in the world today about Buddhism, and the fact that this is against the Dalai Lama at the time where it's at the height of the Dorje Shugden ban makes it a very clear sign that it is the karma for posting untrue and ridiculous allegations against Dorje Shugden.

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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2013, 09:56:19 AM »
This is a really interesting article on how H.H Dalai Lama uses "Black magic". I do agree that this might be one of the ways that the Chinese Agents are trying to get back at DL by defaming him.

But I do not believe that the DL would kill just for his personal gain. I feel that there are no reason for anyone to kill just for their personal gain or even pleasure. It is just plain disgusting.

Thank you Big Uncle for the knowledge to the Tantric practice descended from India in ancient times. I still do not believe that killing would solve anything, even though it might be for the greater cause.

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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2013, 11:59:18 AM »
I have actually heard of Tantric rituals that have descended from India in ancient times that are used to kill one's opponent. However, the ritual would only work if the ritualist or the Tantrika performing the ritual with a Bodhichitta-like motivation. In tantra, killing is absolutely a heinous action and it can only be done with the best of intentions.

However, having said that, it is common knowledge that such rituals have become extinct as many Indian masters refused to transmit those rituals and teachings in fear that they would be abused or met with wrong views about them. Hence, such teachings and lineages have since become the fodder of mystery and magic. That's why I am not surprised it has been brought up many times before. Perhaps, the Tantric liturgy that is being chanted are directly translated and many rituals contain gory references and often violent and graphic descriptions that may seemed very shamanistic and may be easily misunderstood.

True to the nature of Tibetan Buddhist rituals, there are many beings or situations which are hard to tame or subdue using normal means. Hence, violent or fierce rituals are employed through the force of compassion in order to solve the problem present at the time of doing such rituals. Indeed these rituals may appear to be "evil", "fierce" and sometimes "violent" but the underlying energy or motivation behind this is actually compassion or concern for other sentient beings.

Blalck magic or not, this is another form or label secular beings put onto spiritual means. I do agree that the media blows things out of proportion but which media doesn't do so for the sake of disseminating the information to make an impact on the reader?
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2013, 12:33:32 AM »

True to the nature of Tibetan Buddhist rituals, there are many beings or situations which are hard to tame or subdue using normal means. Hence, violent or fierce rituals are employed through the force of compassion in order to solve the problem present at the time of doing such rituals. Indeed these rituals may appear to be "evil", "fierce" and sometimes "violent" but the underlying energy or motivation behind this is actually compassion or concern for other sentient beings.

Blalck magic or not, this is another form or label secular beings put onto spiritual means. I do agree that the media blows things out of proportion but which media doesn't do so for the sake of disseminating the information to make an impact on the reader?

I personally doubt that the article refers to those rituals as those rituals that are used to kill others but in reality send them to a pureland, so that they do not do harm to others because those rituals have long been extinct or kept very secret as there is no need for such actions or methods now as everyone is educated and they can change their harmful ways if reasoned out with. This was not written by or for the mainstream media, but for people who google about the Dalai Lama and find out about that article and get misunderstandings from it.

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Re: Dalai Lama's Black Magic
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2013, 10:55:40 PM »
The article is focusing that Dalai Lama has many enemies and he overcome these enemies by killing them with black magic. We cannot deny there are people practicing black magic out there for revenge, payback, or get something they want but Dalai Lama doing black magic? Buddhism doesn't teach black magic. If Dalai Lama is doing black magic it is like saying he is not enlightened, not skillful and have to resort to these methods to beat his opponents. Enlightened beings don't need to have black magic. They don't have enemies even to begin with. Instead they practice compassion to help all sentient beings. Otherwise why would Dalai Lama travel all over the world to spread the Dharma?

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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2013, 04:29:27 AM »
The article is focusing that Dalai Lama has many enemies and he overcome these enemies by killing them with black magic. We cannot deny there are people practicing black magic out there for revenge, payback, or get something they want but Dalai Lama doing black magic? Buddhism doesn't teach black magic. If Dalai Lama is doing black magic it is like saying he is not enlightened, not skillful and have to resort to these methods to beat his opponents. Enlightened beings don't need to have black magic. They don't have enemies even to begin with. Instead they practice compassion to help all sentient beings. Otherwise why would Dalai Lama travel all over the world to spread the Dharma?

well you see, that is what the Dalai Lama's enemies want us to believe: that he is not enlightened, a fraud, a cruel man etc, but unfortunately these are baseless lies and they cannot harm the Dalai Lama's reputation one bit, simply because they are not true, but still there will be naive people who believe them to be true. The same thing can be said about the Dorje Shugden issue, in reality, where the CTA continues to spread far fetched lies against Dorje Shugden, only to damage their own reputation in the eyes of the world over time. CTA is losing credibility...as to the people who wrote these silly articles against the Dalai Lama. Such is the karma of lies.

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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2013, 03:08:25 PM »
I feel that it is just the Chinese agents trying to let the people that have faith in DL lose their faith towards him. Leading us to think that he is a con man that does not practice real Buddhism. Eventually, making the Tibetans that still reside at Tibet believe and China, not fighting back for their land anymore.

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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2013, 03:27:10 PM »
I feel that it is just the Chinese agents trying to let the people that have faith in DL lose their faith towards him. Leading us to think that he is a con man that does not practice real Buddhism. Eventually, making the Tibetans that still reside at Tibet believe and China, not fighting back for their land anymore.

The Tibetans will always want independence because they want a sense of identity. They will not feel comfortable with the presence of the chinese in their country because nobody wants their country to be occupied, or to have no country to be called of their own. So independence is always in their mind no matter what China tries to do, and China knows that. But China can always try to change their minds by tempting them with progress and material needs. These articles are probably written by someone that is disgruntled with Tibetan Buddhism and not the Dalai Lama himself as this is just one of the many articles on the same website that demonises Tibetan Buddhism.

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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2013, 05:21:50 PM »
LOL!!! I understand what Big Uncle said and it is true that in the past there are some Tantric practices that can be used to kill others but it is used for the best intentions, preventing a person from creating more demerit for himself.

But what was written here is utterly ridiculous! It even indicates that HHDL used black magic to kill Mao Zedong! Well... if the Dalai Lama had such capability of wanted to do such an act, HHDL would have done it before Tibetan was invaded by the Chinese, that would be a more logical approach doesn't it?

While I do believe that the Dalai Lama has exceptional insights in many things, just like many other High Lamas would have, I highly doubt one of them is to intentionally kill others.

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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2013, 03:01:05 AM »
I am pretty convinced that this is just another sensationalist propaganda that the Chinese have written against the Dalai Lama, but what makes it interesting is that this article was written at 2008, at the height of the Dorje Shugden ban, as if the karma from all the nasty things they said against Dorje Shugden came back in the form of these ridiculous articles against them and we can say that there are people that will believe them, just like how people would be able to believe those rumors against Dorje Shugden and his practitioners. What CTA said against Dorje Shugden practitioners are coming back to them in this way. The whole idea of this article capitalizes on the mystery and lack of knowledge that surrounds tibetan Buddhism, just like how CTA capitalizes on the same thing to position themselves as the authority for Tibetan Buddhism to the Tibetan Buddhists.

If this is the case, then the method used is very efficient.
Indeed, instead of talking about Buddhas, Enlightened Beings, lineage, Dharma, Schisme, Noble Truths, etc... the article is talking about black magic, which is a subject unfortunately MUCH MORE POPULAR than Dharma...

Most people, and especially so in countries like China, most people would read with great interest an article about black magic (*), the same cannot be said of an article about lineage or Dharma.
So to spread a story about the Dalai Lama using black magic will attract the attention it seeks.

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Most people are ready to believe in ghosts, but not in after-life. As well, most people are ready to believe in black magic, but not in the power of prayers. Interesting contradiction...

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Re: Dalai Lama's Black Magic
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2013, 11:05:45 PM »
Interesting point you brought up. There are people who might be interested and read about black magic. If you practice black magic and people might also do black magic and target back at you. The article gives the impression that Dalai Lama doesn't suffer any consequences from doing black magic on others. Indeed Dalai Lama wouldn't suffer because he doesn't has the negative karma to receive it. However this cannot be said the same for us laypeople who are not enlightened. We could suffer from black magic because of our past negative actions. Dalai Lama doesn't suffer from black magic because he avoid negative actions and do only positive actions since the past and even now. Why would he even need to start doing black magic now?