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Matibhadra

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Re: Very disturbing ......
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2015, 01:37:32 PM »
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I believe that His Holiness has His higher purpose on implementing the ban,

In general, any religious ban is a bestial attempt to curtail human freedom, and therefore nothing could have a lower purpose than just that.

Specifically, the ban imposed by the evil dalie creates schism within the Sangha, and thus qualifies as the worst out of the five evil actions of immediate retribution.

Therefore, if one believes the words spoken by the Buddha, the evil dalie immediately after death will be reborn in the deepest of hells, where he will probably explain to his delighted admirers the details of his "high purposes".

Bottom line, you chose to believe in the evil cult leader dalie lame, and to disbelieve, mock, and disdain the words spoken by the Buddha, and therefore it is just natural that you promote the worst of the 5 evil actions of immediate retribution as something "high" and "holy".

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we may not have enough faith in His Holiness

This is because most of us on this website are Buddhists, and therefore our faith is placed on the Three Jewels, rather than on an evil cult leader promoting the 5 evil actions of immediate retribution, such as the evil dalie.

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and therefore it's obvious why we can't see His real intention.

Any Buddhist can see very clearly the real intention of any evildoer creating schism within the Sangha, which is to harm the Buddha's teachings and sentient beings.

You too can see this intention because as a follower of the evil cult leader dalie lame this is your own intention, but you cannot confess to it, which is a different thing.

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As long as we continue to speak up

Speak up supporting the creation of schism within the Sangha as something "holy" and "high", as you do?

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and do whatever we should do, things that doesn't violate peace.

You brazenly violate peace when you support the creation of schism within the Sangha as something "high" and "holy". Therefore your hypocritical preaching is a just a lie.

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As time passes by, I believe that our hard work will pay off.

Everything pays off according to karma, including in the hell realms reserved to those creating schism within the Sangha, or supporting such evil actions.

grandmapele

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Re: Very disturbing ......
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2015, 09:03:49 AM »
For many people new to Buddhism especially to Tibetan Buddhism, seeing this rift within Tibetan Buddhism is very disturbing. Buddhism is supposed to be a peaceful religion. Guess the key word here is "supposed"  because there is obviously very little peace in view of the ban and ensuing violence and schism. So, for newcomers, how do we reconcile or we do not reconcile and leave. Does this not then fall under the category of discouraging someone from dharma which in itself carries heavy negative karma as well?

Matibhadra

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Re: Very disturbing ......
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2015, 01:43:41 AM »
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For many people new to Buddhism especially to Tibetan Buddhism, seeing this rift within Tibetan Buddhism is very disturbing.

People sincerely interested in Tibetan Buddhism will pay attention to the pure teachings of authentic lamas; insincere people only will pay attention to “rifts” and politics.

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Buddhism is supposed to be a peaceful religion. Guess the key word here is "supposed"  because there is obviously very little peace in view of the ban and ensuing violence and schism.

The nature of Buddhism does not change because of the opinion of people more interested in “rifts” and politics than in the Buddha's teachings.

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So, for newcomers, how do we reconcile or we do not reconcile and leave.

There is no need to “reconcile” Buddhism with politics. Insincere people willing to “reconcile” Buddhism with politics are not into Buddhism anyway, whereby it makes little difference if they “leave”.

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Does this not then fall under the category of discouraging someone from dharma which in itself carries heavy negative karma as well?

Refusing to mix Dharma with politics surely falls under the category of holding pure Dharma, which carries the most powerful skillful karma. Therefore, do not be afraid to refrain from such mixing.

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Re: Very disturbing ......
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2015, 03:18:23 AM »
This is absolutely ridiculous and I hate how people discriminate the poor Shugden people in These countries. They are being pulled from their human rights. Why the discrimination? They are just following a religion choice, and last time I checked, believing in something is legal. These poor people are being discriminated and treated like criminals in their own country. It is ridiculous and it makes me sick.

You know whats the worst part? The world ignores these poor people and let them suffer. Because everybody denies there is anything to show and discriminate. THAT IS A LIE OBVIOUSLY. So we need to help these people and we need to show the world that this is happening. We need to stop this discrimination.

Matibhadra

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Re: Very disturbing ......
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2015, 02:28:21 PM »
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Because everybody denies there is anything to show and discriminate. THAT IS A LIE OBVIOUSLY.


This is because truth, or reality, sounds far-fetched even to some dedicated Shugdenpas, as exemplified by our dear Dondrup Shugden in a recent post (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=4321.0).

Now, if even dedicated Shugdenpas allow themselves to be brainwashed by the official propaganda, the “obvious lies” spread by the media, let alone the rest of the world lacking any clue about the workings of the evil dalie and his puppet-masters.

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Re: Very disturbing ......
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2015, 12:50:20 PM »
Religious Discrimination. Why are Dorje Shugden practitioners being treated differently especially in places like India, Nepal and Tibet? Why are the lineage and practice of Dorje Shugden being banned? How will you feel if you are a Dorje Shugden practitioner? How do you feel when everybody rejects to help you especially when you are in a deep trouble? How can the government even allow this kind of activity? Is it fair, the way they treat Dorje Shugden practitioners? The reason why the monks do not want to give up practicing Dorje Shugden is because they have promised their gurus to never stop practicing Dorje Shugden until they reach enlightenment. Religious Discrimination should never be allowed in any countries. We must not force someone to give up their practice just because it is wrong in our opinion. I really pity the people who practice Dorje Shugden in India, Nepal and Tibet (especially the ones in Southern India). But I feel really proud that our Dharma brothers and sisters didn't give up their practices even though they have to go through all these things. Some people in those places would literally throw bricks at your houses or monasteries just because you are a Dorje Shugden practitioner. I thank you for your courage and it has made me want to spread Dorje Shugden's practice even more.