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There are different levels of faith.
« on: October 12, 2012, 10:26:55 AM »
First, clear faith refers to the joy and clarity and change in our perceptions that we experience when we hear about the qualities of the Three Jewels and the lives of the Buddha and the great teachers. Longing faith is experienced when we think about the latter and are filled with a great desire to know more about their qualities and to acquire these ourselves. Confident faith comes through practicing the Dharma, when we acquire complete confidence in the truth of the teachings and the enlightenment of the Buddha. Finally, when faith has become so much a part of ourselves that even if our lives were at risk we could never give it up, it has become irreversible faith.

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Re: There are different levels of faith.
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2012, 12:10:33 PM »
The word ‘faith’ carries different meanings for different religions. It can mean a religious ‘belief’ or having ‘confidence’ in a religion or its founder. Some people have faith in god and some in the Buddha while others may embrace modern spirituality.

We Buddhists believe in the Triple Gem. They are our everlasting refuge. The best choice one can make is of course to believe/decide on a religion that is appropriate for one’s ultimate good.

The Buddhist teachings of the Middle Path, Dependent Origination, the principle of Cause and Effect, birth and death, and nirvana can help people resolve the basic questions of life. However, even for Buddhists, there are different levels of faith and confidence manifested. Some have stronger faith in deities rather than the Buddha. There are those who appear to believe in people rather than the Dharma; and again some would seem to be more temple and relationship minded instead of the teaching.

Everything will be changed in this world today itself or in the coming future, but our faith is everlasting. The Buddha’s teachings are not by mere faith but also a realistic path to tread on. The Buddha’s trodden path is one of holistic ethical development to spiritual perfection. Hence, we have the three-fold training of s?la, sam?dhi and paññ? – Precepts, Concentration and Wisdom.

We, monastic members seek to purify ourselves beginning from vinaya, our training rules to develop concentration (sam?dhi) and vipassan?, insight into things as they really are – yatha bh?tam dassana. In addition, we also learn Abhidhamma, the Buddhist analysis of mind or the higher dhamma to help us understand the ultimate truth. Truly understanding and directly perceiving the three characteristics – impermanence (anicca), unsatisfactoriness (dukkha) and essencelessness, (anatta), we will be released from our endless rebirth and redeath cycle (samsara).

We strive to be attentive to the Buddha’s advice through listening and learning, contemplating and practicing the Dharma. These will ultimately help us to eradicate our inherent defilements – greed (lobha), anger (dosa) and ignorance (moha) of the universal truths. The four Noble Truths that the historical Buddha rediscovered.

Our everlasting faith – refuge in the Triple Gem can be likened to the similes as follows. Taking refuge in the Buddha is equivalent to lighting up our own minds and setting up an internal “power plant”.
Taking refuge in the Dharma is just as saving the ambrosial water and generating our internal power whereas refuge in the Sangha is like nurturing the flower and fruit of enlightenment. When we take refuge in the Triple Gem we are cultivating our own orchard where the fruits are assured.

In reality, wisdom is our inner Buddha Nature, and the
main reason for us to learn Buddhism is to develop and actualize our inner Buddha Nature. So in Buddhism, we should progress from praying and worshiping the Buddha to practicing his teachings and ultimately becoming the Buddha. It is only when we become a Buddha that we have reached the highest level of faith and the Buddhist path.

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Re: There are different levels of faith.
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2012, 02:13:51 PM »
What is faith? According to Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, "Faith is a naturally virtuous mind that functions mainly to oppose the perception of faults in the observed object. There are three types of faith: believing faith, admiring faith, and wishing faith. An example of believing faith is if we develop conviction that our Spiritual Guide is a Buddha. An example of admiring faith is the faith we have when, by recognizing the good qualities of our Spiritual Guide and the good qualities of the Dharma, we develop admiration for these and our mind becomes clear and free from disturbing negative conceptions, An example of wishing faith is when, on the basis of admiring faith, we develop the aspiration to cultivate within ourselves the good qualities we see in our Spiritual Guide or the good qualities explained in the Dharma that is taught. (Joyful Path of Good Fortune, p.106)

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Re: There are different levels of faith.
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2012, 02:49:03 PM »
Thanks Midakpa for quoting the simple and beautiful explanation of faith. Reading the life stories of great buddhist masters helps us to have faith in the teachings, as taught in Liberation in the Palm of your Hands. It is in the lives of these great masters that we learn and see the teachings come to life.. and for those who has a spiritual teacher is so fortunate as you not only see the teachings coming to life, but will be led to experience the teachings in our lives.

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Re: There are different levels of faith.
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2012, 05:21:13 PM »
There are different levels of faith.First,'clear faith' refers to the joy and clarity and change in our perceptions that we experience.When we hear about the qualities of the Three Jewels and the  lives of the Buddha and the great teachers.'Longing faith' is experienced when we think about the latter and are filled with great desire to know more about their qualities and to acquire these ourselves .'Confident faith' comes through practicing the Dharma,when we acquire complete confidence in the truth of the teachings and the enlightenment of the Buddha.Finally,when faith has come so much part of ourselves that even if our lives were at risk we could never give it up ,it has become irreversible faith.
                                                                                                        H.H.Dilgo Kyentse Rinpoche.

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Re: There are different levels of faith.
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2012, 01:42:59 PM »

(1) First, clear faith refers to the joy and clarity and change in our perceptions that we experience when we hear about the qualities of the Three Jewels and the lives of the Buddha and the great teachers.
(2) Longing faith is experienced when we think about the latter and are filled with a great desire to know more about their qualities and to acquire these ourselves.
(3) Confident faith comes through practicing the Dharma, when we acquire complete confidence in the truth of the teachings and the enlightenment of the Buddha.
(4) Finally, when faith has become so much a part of ourselves that even if our lives were at risk we could never give it up, it has become irreversible faith.

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Re: There are different levels of faith.
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2012, 04:59:40 PM »
There is much to be said about one's belief or lack of when it comes to summing up faith. It indeed comes with varying adjectives ranging from "blind" to "profound" to a "smidgen"! This article below I found very interesting as it tackles this very subtle yet impact filled word that most of us struggle with in a manner in which is simplistic yet meaningful.

The Role of Faith in Buddhism

The Dharma of the Buddha is not a religion of blind faith. It is far more demanding than that. It is a religion of experience; of exploration and discovery. The Buddha said that his teaching was "ehipassiko" which means "come and see." Few of the great teachers in history have made such a bold and confident claim. His teachings not only withstand methodical examination, they demand it.

Because of this, the role of the faith faculty in Buddhism may be difficult to grasp. We should clarify that by "faith" I mean the enlightenment factor and spiritual faculty of "saddha." This is often translated "confidence" or "conviction" and both of these words are very good, but I still prefer the straightforward "faith" precisely because it is a loaded word which challenges us to deal with the implications.

Faith is a key factor in the list of wholesome states. It is one of the uplifting enlightenment factors, together with the related states of joy and energy. It is also one of the spiritual faculties, to be balanced with discriminating wisdom. Without wisdom, faith becomes superstition just as without faith wisdom is only a low cunning which justifies the defilements.

If I might make a purely personal observation, having lived in one kind of practice situation or another for twenty years and been involved in teaching others for the last few, I can't help noticing that some meditators make great progress quickly and some struggle for years with little or no results. I've been putting some serious thought into what might be the common factor which determines the difference, and it seems to me that the strength or weakness of the faith faculty is perhaps the one key element.

The question naturally arises, "faith in what exactly?" I would like to suggest three things we ought to have faith in. Looking at this question strictly from the practical viewpoint of progress in meditation, the yogi must first of all have faith in the practice. Without this confidence, you will get nowhere. In an actual retreat situation this also implies faith in the teacher and his instructions. If you can't feel complete confidence in the teacher, then find another teacher. You won't get anywhere if you question the meditation instructions all the time. For the duration of the retreat, just surrender and do it.

It shouldn't need to be pointed out that faith in the teacher is not guru worship, which has no place in Theravada Buddhism. Faith here is not a helpless dependence on another, nor is a blind belief that the teacher is flawless. It is, or ought to be, a feeling of trust and confidence in the Dhamma presented by the teacher, as something valuable and worth heeding. During a practice session, it should be the courage and discipline to follow the instructions instead of the whisperings of monkey mind.

The second thing that the Buddhist must have faith in to succeed is the Third Noble Truth, that there IS an end to suffering. This is, I think, the only metaphysical belief that is absolutely essential. Indeed, it may very well be the only one that is not actually a hindrance. It is not something susceptible to logical proof, only to the confirmation of direct realization. Before this point, you can only have faith that it is there to be found. If you don't believe this, then you are not doing meditation in the Buddhist sense at all, at least not Vipassana, but only self-psychotherapy. There is no point to speculation about what the end of suffering implies, it can't be arrived at by reason anyway. And until you actually glimpse it for yourself, you have to go on faith.

The third and final element of essential faith is for many of us the most difficult. It is one I struggled with myself for many years. You must somehow find faith in yourself. Many people can happily believe that the Buddha or Ajahn Chah or Krishnamurti was enlightened, but that they could never do it. We need to recognize that this is a form of egoism. Who do you think you are anyway to be the only sentient being in the universe without the seed of Buddhahood?

The reason that this arises is alienation, and the key to overcoming it lies in understanding that. You belong to the universe, you are part of the earth and the stars. In one sense, you are nothing special; you are made of the same elements and mental factors as all other beings and are an integral part of the pattern. Another angle on the same theme is to realize that you are very special indeed, because your innermost mind is absolute light, clear voidness and bliss. Learn never to doubt this and you are more than halfway there.

Besides these three things, there is really nothing else to be believed. In fact a lot of the work of insight meditation is disbelieving. It is very difficult to acquire the knack of seeing the arising phenomena fully and honestly without imposing an imaginary matrix of mental proliferation. In the depths of meditation, you must be ruthlessly honest and radically skeptical.

But this skepticism is far more profound and cuts far deeper than the niggling cynicism that usually passes for the word. It is not the chattering of doubt, which is one of the defilements, but the bold clarity of direct seeing, from which alone can arise the quality of Knowledge and Vision of Things as They Are. May we all find the faith to be so radically skeptical.

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Re: There are different levels of faith.
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2012, 03:46:34 PM »
Faith is a vital element for one’s spiritual path, opening us to the Buddha’s blessings. Expecting to attaining realization without having faith would be like sitting in a north facing cave waiting for sunshine to pour in.

When we first realize what wonderful and good qualities of the Buddha or our Spiritual Guide possessed, our minds become clear and joyful. This is clear faith.

When this clear faith inspires us to obtain those good qualities, it has become longing faith.

When we know with complete certainty that Buddha’s qualities are as truly as what was described by the Buddha, it has become confident faith.

When faith has become so much a part of ourselves and there’s no way we are going to renounce it, it has become irreversible faith. When our faith reaches this point, no matter what happens, we will rely entirely on the Buddha’s wisdom and compassion