Author Topic: Guan Gong is allowed, why not Shugden?  (Read 13234 times)

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Re: Guan Gong is allowed, why not Shugden?
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2012, 09:29:20 AM »
<Romance of the three kingdoms> is a very popular novel in China or even among the chinese educated people.

Guan Gong or Guan Yu is actually very popular in Malaysia, especially those who runs business, they will place a guan gong in front of their shop or office. It is said that Guan Gong symbolizes righteousness, loyalty and dignity, uphold justice and power over negative spirits. He is also a protector. He encourages growth and prosperity, that's why Taoist business man likes to worship him for protection as well as wealth.

Guan Gong is actually the nickname, his real name is Guan Yu in <Romance of the three kingdoms>. Back in 14th century, Buddhism is introduced in this historical novel. A Buddhist monk called Pujing appeared in the story and he was one of Guan Yu's friend. You can read the story here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_of_the_Three_Kingdoms

<Romance of the three kingdoms> is a very popular novel in China or even among the chinese educated people.

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Re: Guan Gong is allowed, why not Shugden?
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2012, 11:36:33 AM »
Changkya Khutukhtu was the spiritual head of the Gelug lineage of Tibetan Buddhism in Inner Mongolia during the Qing dynasty, his current incarnation was reborn in 1980 in Tsongkha region, was ordained at an early age and came to India as a refugee in 1998. He was formally recognized by Dalai Lama on 11 August 1998 and now is residing in Drepung Monastery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changkya_Khutukhtu
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Changkya Khutukhtu and the monks in his ladrang recently consecrated pictures of Chinese Deity Guan Gong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guan_Yu) for free distribution.

Guan Gong is obviously a worldly spirit, he was a warrior which killed many during the battle in the actual history which was later fictionalized into "Romance of the Three Kingdom" in China.

Now, this is obviously a worldly spirit, and his pictures were consecrated by a high lama for free distribution to the public, why is this allowed but not the other "worldly spirit" called Dorje Shugden?


Wait...if Chankya Khutuku is the reincarnation of Chakya Rolpa Dorje, what about Pabongka Rinpoche who is also the reincarnation of Chakya Rolpa Dorje? So are they the same  person but in 2 separate bodies to benefit beings, or a different emanation of Chankya Rolpa Dorje?  But what I do find interesting is that Guan Yu appointed as a Dharma protector by a Lama is not something new as during the period of Emperor Qianlong, he was the official Dharma protector and would appear below thangkas of yidams.





As Qianlong's Guru is Chankya Rolpa, we can only say that he is reintroducing Guan Yu to the chinese where he has the most affinity to, but not to the Tibetan students.

Gabby Potter

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Re: Guan Gong is allowed, why not Shugden?
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2015, 06:44:40 AM »
I do not understand this as well, why are people allowed to worship a worldly spirit and us the Shugdeners are not allowed to practise Lord Dorje Shugden's sacred practise? Why must there be a double standard way of looking at things?

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Re: Guan Gong is allowed, why not Shugden?
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2015, 08:00:36 AM »
Propitiation of a certain deity or dharmapala, enlightened or otherwise, is the affinity of the practitioner, or in this case the lama. We should not question his choice of protector.

Of course, to most people, they will be confused as to the validity of the protector as it is from China and the Dalai Lama is condemning the Chinese. Here again, thanks to the many links posted by Gypsy and explanations by Vajraprotector and WisdomBeing, hopefully the minds of the uninitiated will not be so disturbed by the seemingly contradictory actions of Chankya Khutuku