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Interest news from the WeChat
« on: June 10, 2018, 04:28:20 PM »
In Tibet, a boy from the faraway provinces would normally enter into one of the hundreds of wayside monasteries in order to receive their novice ordination vows. In these smaller provincial monasteries, the young monks received their initial education on reading the Tibetan script, memorisation of the scriptures and so forth. Once these young monks came of age and received their full ordination vows, they would travel great distances to the larger monastic universities such as Gaden (3,300 monks), Sera (6,000 monks), Drepung (10,000 monks), Tashi Lhunpo (4,000 monks) and Amdo Tashikyil (4,000 monks)in order to further their monastic education on the great treatises and so on. Some of these boys from humble beginnings in the provinces would end up becoming great scholars and masters.

This was what happened to Kensur Jampa Yeshe Rinpoche and the 103rd Gaden Tripa Lobsang Tenzin. Both of these lamas were originally from Tsem Monastery in the Yara valley of Kham, Tibet. When Kensur Rinpoche was just a young monk entering into Gaden Monastery, Tsem Rinpoche’s previous life was the abbot at that time. On the other hand, the Gaden Tripa was the nephew of Rinpoche’s previous life, Kentrul Thubten Lamsang. Such was the close connection that Tsem Rinpoche had with these two lamas, going back into previous lives. In this life in fact, Tsem Rinpoche offered his own ladrang in Gaden Shartse Monastery to Kensur Jampa Yeshe Rinpoche. Furthermore, the Gaden Tripa Lobsang Tenzin’s ladrang (house) in Drepung Loseling Monastery was fully sponsored by Tsem Rinpoche and his students, and Tsem Rinpoche also fully sponsored on a monthly basis some of the students in the Gaden Tripa’s house. Tsem Rinpoche also found personal sponsorship for the Gaden Tripa himself.

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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2018, 11:07:55 PM »
I heard many prominent scholastic monks in Gaden Shartse are from Tsem Monastery in Yara. Although the monastery is small, it has produced many high caliber monks. Gaden Shartse also, among the 6 colleges of the main monastery of the Gelug lineage, is known for producing scholars. That's all before the Dorje Shugden ban. It is no longer like this in present day Shartse as their new abbot Khen Rinpoche Jangchup Sangye http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/gaden-shartse-monasterys-new-abbot-is-not-compassionate/ focuses on politics, money and power.

He was born in Tsum, Nepal, and denies of the Shartse monks the religious freedom. For someone from Nepal, he should know very well that his own countrymen in Nepal can practice whatever they wish. They have religious freedom as compared to those in the Tibetan settlement who are denied their religious rights to practise Dorje Shugden. You won't believe this, but this new abbot was chosen to be the abbot as he will be a good mouthpiece for the Tibetan government in exile because he is well known to be very political.

The ironic point is all his gurus practiced Dorje Shugden, so were the guru of his gurus for the last 400 hundred years. Jangchup Sangye is very ungrateful to persecute the protector of his very own gurus such as Kyabje Lati Rinpoche and Kensur Jampa Yeshe Rinpoche as well their masters including Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche and Kyabje Zong Rinpoche for political reasons and political gain. The monks in Gaden Shartse Monastery know there are many secret practitioners of Dorje Shugden within the monastery and many of them are very displeased with their new abbot.

The Dorje Shugden ban really causes so much unnecessary sufferings and disharmony among the Tibetans. The worst case is that those who are supposed to hold their pure vows and detach from the 8 World Concerns are now seen to do the opposite. It is really hard to imagine how much the Dorje Shugden ban can harm the ordained and lay people in various aspects.

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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2018, 01:53:21 AM »
In Tibet, a boy from the faraway provinces would normally enter into one of the hundreds of wayside monasteries in order to receive their novice ordination vows. In these smaller provincial monasteries, the young monks received their initial education on reading the Tibetan script, memorisation of the scriptures and so forth. Once these young monks came of age and received their full ordination vows, they would travel great distances to the larger monastic universities such as Gaden (3,300 monks), Sera (6,000 monks), Drepung (10,000 monks), Tashi Lhunpo (4,000 monks) and Amdo Tashikyil (4,000 monks)in order to further their monastic education on the great treatises and so on. Some of these boys from humble beginnings in the provinces would end up becoming great scholars and masters.

This was what happened to Kensur Jampa Yeshe Rinpoche and the 103rd Gaden Tripa Lobsang Tenzin. Both of these lamas were originally from Tsem Monastery in the Yara valley of Kham, Tibet. When Kensur Rinpoche was just a young monk entering into Gaden Monastery, Tsem Rinpoche’s previous life was the abbot at that time. On the other hand, the Gaden Tripa was the nephew of Rinpoche’s previous life, Kentrul Thubten Lamsang. Such was the close connection that Tsem Rinpoche had with these two lamas, going back into previous lives. In this life in fact, Tsem Rinpoche offered his own ladrang in Gaden Shartse Monastery to Kensur Jampa Yeshe Rinpoche. Furthermore, the Gaden Tripa Lobsang Tenzin’s ladrang (house) in Drepung Loseling Monastery was fully sponsored by Tsem Rinpoche and his students, and Tsem Rinpoche also fully sponsored on a monthly basis some of the students in the Gaden Tripa’s house. Tsem Rinpoche also found personal sponsorship for the Gaden Tripa himself.

The 103rd was a leech, pure and simple and didn't have the merits to stay on the throne. When his merits ran out, h was "cleared" to make way for someone else.

He should win an award for Shortest Gaden Tripa Tenure of History.

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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2018, 04:34:34 AM »
Wow! I didn't know that all three, the 103rd Gaden Tripa, Kensur Jampa Yeshe Rinpoche and Tsem Rinpoche were from the same monastery.

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Furthermore, the Gaden Tripa Lobsang Tenzin’s ladrang (house) in Drepung Loseling Monastery was fully sponsored by Tsem Rinpoche and his students, and Tsem Rinpoche also fully sponsored on a monthly basis some of the students in the Gaden Tripa’s house. Tsem Rinpoche also found personal sponsorship for the Gaden Tripa himself.

Too bad for the 103rd Gaden Tripa who has received so much from Tsem Rinpoche, such a strong Dorje Shugden practitioner. Well, the karma came back and very fast.

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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2018, 05:57:06 AM »
In Tibet, a boy from the faraway provinces would normally enter into one of the hundreds of wayside monasteries in order to receive their novice ordination vows. In these smaller provincial monasteries, the young monks received their initial education on reading the Tibetan script, memorisation of the scriptures and so forth. Once these young monks came of age and received their full ordination vows, they would travel great distances to the larger monastic universities such as Gaden (3,300 monks), Sera (6,000 monks), Drepung (10,000 monks), Tashi Lhunpo (4,000 monks) and Amdo Tashikyil (4,000 monks)in order to further their monastic education on the great treatises and so on. Some of these boys from humble beginnings in the provinces would end up becoming great scholars and masters.

This was what happened to Kensur Jampa Yeshe Rinpoche and the 103rd Gaden Tripa Lobsang Tenzin. Both of these lamas were originally from Tsem Monastery in the Yara valley of Kham, Tibet. When Kensur Rinpoche was just a young monk entering into Gaden Monastery, Tsem Rinpoche’s previous life was the abbot at that time. On the other hand, the Gaden Tripa was the nephew of Rinpoche’s previous life, Kentrul Thubten Lamsang. Such was the close connection that Tsem Rinpoche had with these two lamas, going back into previous lives. In this life in fact, Tsem Rinpoche offered his own ladrang in Gaden Shartse Monastery to Kensur Jampa Yeshe Rinpoche. Furthermore, the Gaden Tripa Lobsang Tenzin’s ladrang (house) in Drepung Loseling Monastery was fully sponsored by Tsem Rinpoche and his students, and Tsem Rinpoche also fully sponsored on a monthly basis some of the students in the Gaden Tripa’s house. Tsem Rinpoche also found personal sponsorship for the Gaden Tripa himself.

Amazing and indeed how the ban can change and hurt even those who are your own family, friends and people. So kind of Tsem Rinpoche to help these great lamas. But very very disappointing and sad news. It just goes to show that karma is blind to who you are but your deeds and actions. The 103rd Gaden Tripa should not have sided with politics and should have kept his commitments and vows and be honourable to his Guru like 101st Gaden Tripa. Looks at the stark difference! One is gone and 101st is still around and giving teachings and Vajrayogini initiations recently I heard.

It is very sad and his own negative karma took over the 103rd Gaden Tripa and his passing was indeed not auspicious at all. Yes he is the shortest one. Even if you do not like something and needs to be politically correct, at least you don't say negative things. He should have just be quiet and be a good Gaden Tripa, instead of loyalty to his Guru, he showed his loyalty to fame, fortune and short-term benefits. I seriously don't think he is in a good place.

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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2018, 11:41:10 PM »
I just got a new interest picture on the WeChat which is taken before the ban and look how peaceful everything is. The CTA are destroyed this peaceful. This is the real lamas. 101st Gaden Tripa is 92 years and still alive and strong. 103rd is gone and it is the CTA who killed him because they let people play politics with Gaden Tripa throne.

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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2018, 09:20:13 PM »
The 103rd was a leech, pure and simple and didn't have the merits to stay on the throne. When his merits ran out, h was "cleared" to make way for someone else.

He should win an award for Shortest Gaden Tripa Tenure of History.

No one can run away from karma. The Gaden Tripa role is an important seat in the Gelup lineage. One cannot simply get there with power and politics. They can with merits and real attainments. His short tenure is a result of lack of merits and attainments. His bad actions of banning Dorje Shugden and his practice, spreading wrong information about Dorje Shugden must have accummulated him a lot of negative karmas he cannot beat. I hope he is not born in the lower realms.

It doesn't matter what anyone says or do, karma will not fail to catch up and when it does, it will be too late for anything to be done to reverse it.

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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2018, 05:51:33 PM »
Interesting story about the people who came from Tsem Monastery.

I am a great believer of karma, and I guess karma caught up with the 103 Gaden Tripa.

Yet another life shortened by the Dorje Shugden ban and controversy, wishing this ban could be openly lifted by the 14th Dalai Lama.


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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2018, 12:50:44 AM »
I just got a new interest picture on the WeChat which is taken before the ban and look how peaceful everything is. The CTA are destroyed this peaceful. This is the real lamas. 101st Gaden Tripa is 92 years and still alive and strong. 103rd is gone and it is the CTA who killed him because they let people play politics with Gaden Tripa throne.

Wow all these three are great Dorje Shugden lamas and they have kept their samaya up till this day, doing Dorje Shugden and is committed and loyal (except for H.H. Zong Choktrul Rinpoche who has to say no he is not doing due to politics).

Sadly what you said that the CTA killed the 103rd Gaden Tripa, that is definitely true. It's just sad because of politics, so many people are forced to take sides and break their samaya and go to the 3 lower realms. How the 103rd died was really inauspicious and I heard they did not allow any pictures after the cremation to show the remains.

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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2018, 01:26:47 AM »
It is indeed the CTA who killed the 103rd Gaden Tripa. It is tremendous bad karma to ban Dorje Shugden and he could only keep his position for a very short time.

I hope this harmful ban will be removed as soon as possible!
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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2018, 07:32:19 PM »
I do agree with Pema8, for someone who is on the Gaden tripa throne, who has spent many years in retreat, teaching, debates, initiations for him to be on the throne for a short time, to me it is an indication of the tremendous negative karma collected by stopping the proliferation of Dorje Shugden practice all over the world.

Also this is a clear indication that, the practice of Dorje Shugden does bring one towards the path of enlightenment which is why stopping this practice for many beings creates so so much negative karma.

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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2018, 11:30:57 PM »
Sometimes you wonder why did the Dalai Lama allow things like this to happen. He has clairvoyance and he knows very clearly by doing this will end the 103rd Gaden Tripa's life sooner because the 103rd Gaden Tripa has not enough merits to be on the position for long.

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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2018, 04:49:55 PM »
Sometimes you wonder why did the Dalai Lama allow things like this to happen. He has clairvoyance and he knows very clearly by doing this will end the 103rd Gaden Tripa's life sooner because the 103rd Gaden Tripa has not enough merits to be on the position for long.

This may be really far fetched but what if the Dalai Lama did this to purify everyone's karma especially those who are corrupt and not pure to the lineage. You see the 103rd Gaden Tripa was not pure or did not have a pure motivation to begin with, so therefore he is not stable. Hence, the moment the ban arise, he took sides instead of the hard tough road less travelled like the 101st Gaden Tripa did. My point is you cannot have bad motivation overnight, it must already be in you to be bad. So maybe this ban is a way to filter out all the practitioners? I don't know but just thinking out load in another perspective if we go along that the Dalai Lama has clairvoyance and is Chenrezig and is working with Dorje Shugden to spread it.

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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2018, 07:00:11 PM »
Everyone was good and harmonious before the Dorje Shugden ban. Look at the old photo of Gaden Shartse where everyone was seated together doing prayer, it was very nice.

It is so sad that after the ban was imposed, many friends were not allowed to talk to each other anymore due to their different belief. Not only that, students openly condemned or criticised their own teachers.

Just look at what the 103rd Gaden Tripa did. His teachers were Dorje Shugden practitioner, he must have been a Dorje Shugden practitioner as well. But because he wanted to be politically correct, he took side and said a lot of bad things about Dorje Shugden and furthermore he enforced the ban. He had broken his Samaya with his teachers, so definitely he would not have any attainment. His death was not a punishment from Dorje Shugden but his own karma catching up on him.

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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2018, 10:47:32 PM »
Everyone was good and harmonious before the Dorje Shugden ban. Look at the old photo of Gaden Shartse where everyone was seated together doing prayer, it was very nice.

It is so sad that after the ban was imposed, many friends were not allowed to talk to each other anymore due to their different belief. Not only that, students openly condemned or criticised their own teachers.

Just look at what the 103rd Gaden Tripa did. His teachers were Dorje Shugden practitioner, he must have been a Dorje Shugden practitioner as well. But because he wanted to be politically correct, he took side and said a lot of bad things about Dorje Shugden and furthermore he enforced the ban. He had broken his Samaya with his teachers, so definitely he would not have any attainment. His death was not a punishment from Dorje Shugden but his own karma catching up on him.

You have mentioned an important point that his death was not a punishment from Dorje Shugden but his own karma caught up with him. Selfishness is very scary, it has made people do the most harmful things to themselves all in the name of dharma. For personal benefits, fame and control, they choose to break their samaya with their guru which is the basis of attainments. Since the 103rd Gaden Tripa chose fame and power over his samaya with his guru, he cannot achieve spiritual attainments, let alone holding the highest throne of the Gaden lineage,