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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: michaela on June 30, 2012, 10:26:56 AM
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There is no denying that HHDL has been promoting peace and harmony around the world. However, the issue of Shugden ban cannot be separated from HHDL because he started it. The ban has created sufferings for a lot of people. HHDL may have done it for a bigger picture, that is to proof beyond a doubt that DS is an enlightened deity – for example by ordering various rituals and puja to subdue DS so that to proof DS cannot be subdued because he is an enlightened being.
Using my ordinary mind to think about the situation, I do not doubt that DS is an enlightened being because:
• He is the incarnation of an enlightened mind, and degeneration from enlightened mind is possible
• He cannot be subdued by various rituals because he is enlightened
• Personal experience that he has been helping me since my Lama gave his practice to me. And I have faith in my Lama that he will not give me practice that would harm me.
Various individuals in this forum keep mentioning that HHDL has a bigger picture in implementing the ban because they have so much faith in HHDL and there must be a reason that an enlightened being like HHDL can implement this type of ban. However, this bigger picture as I observed often become a cause for people to act passively and adopt “a wait and see” attitute.
In my view, with no disrespect to HHDL, the ban should be lifted soon for the following reasons:
• It has proof enough that DS is an enlightened protector
• It has caused suffering to the existing DS practitioners who have to go underground or forced to declare that they are not DS practitioners. As I love DS very much like so many in this forum, I could imagine that denouncing my own protector will cause so much heartache. Not to mention the implication to our samaya with our Guru who gave us this practice.
• After a decade, the ban has failed to raise DS to international fame and prestige. It is only mentioned in a passing in major world periodicals that we are only a group of weird looking deity worshipper at odd with HHDL. I attribute the growth of DS practice to so many brave Lamas who have been working underground to promote the truth about DS.
Another misunderstanding that often ensued when discussing the ban, when we voiced our opinion that the ban should be lifted. It is often directly viewed as an attack on HHDL personality. The argument often become very emotional with HHDL camp defending what this high Lama has done for the growth of Dharma. However, I think we should really separate the discussion of the ban itself and the discussion of HHDL personality. By doing that, we will be able to see the problems in a more clear light.
Do you have other reasons as to why the ban should be lifted??
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There are several reasons to why the ban should be lifted:
- To not restrict Dorje Shugden's Dharma works
Dorje Shugden is a very powerful Dharma protector. He is able to benefit any one who even hears of his name and makes heartfelt prayers to him, he will assist, and many people have receive so much benefit from him over the 350 years of his existence. He benefits even those with low motivations or with very little connection to Buddhism, and only want to have temporal or small benefits such as getting material gains for example. For those with higher motivations and who wants to have success in their Dharma practice, Dorje Shugden provides all the necessary conditions so that they would be able to gain those attainments. Why deny the works of such an amazing Dharma protector, one who has probably not existed before this?
- To really free Tibet
Nechung is retiring soon and his retirement has been predicted in a few texts, namely by Trijang Rinpoche. It is very obvious that Nechung is unable to free tibet and he even accelerated the fall of the Ganden Phodrang by sending their troops to die in the hands of the british troops. He even tried to poison the 13th Dalai Lama by prescribing the wrong medication. These actions prove that Nechung is no longer interested in CTA's welfare and he even told the government that Dorje Shugden is harmful to them because they are not ready for Dorje Shugden's help. It will never be ready if they hold on to their delusions that Dorje Shugden is bad.
- To repent and purify their past and present negative actions
CTA has done many negative things in the past. Here are some of their actions: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=2136.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=2136.0) what is worse is that they blame all of these to the Dalai Lama. They have also spread much misinformation about Buddhism and Dorje Shugden. All of these actions will ensure that the Tibetans will lose everything over time. Once their Dharma has been passed to the world, their culture will end unless they do something about it. Dorje Shugden is the only protector that will be able to help them purify their karma.
These are some of the big reasons why the ban must be lifted.
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I have got one more reason why the ban on Dorje Shugden should be abolished as soon as possible. The ban on Dorje Shugden has caused a great rupture in Tibetan society, which is under the leadership of the diminishing Central Tibetan Adminstration(CTA). CTA was called Tibetan Government in Exile but it has been reduced to Central Tibetan Administration because of pressure from the Indian government which originated from China. That showed how bad CTA is at handling its diplomatic relations with China.
All its efforts to start or maintain dialogue with China has failed to produce any concrete results. Hence, China has been very adamant to stamped out any CTA presence around the world and more and more countries are bowing to Chinese pressure. Hence, the CTA's days are numbered. They are just no match for China. Hence, they should do something radical to stay alive and that is to improve upon its biggest problem, namely the huge social repercussions of the Dorje Shugden ban.
The time is ripe now since the Dalai Lama has resigned from office and the majority (if not all all) members of the CTA are currently held by lay people, the CTA should head in the direction of secular rule and abolish all archaic religious bans and the reason is to foster social harmony within the Tibetan community. There's really no better time to step up and improve upon the already tarnish image of Tibetan harmony. On top of that, the prime minister is a Harvard graduate. He should know the importance of social harmony in any form of government. Dr Lobsang Sangye, time to do something instead of just talk.
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I think perhaps the biggest reason WHY the Ban should be lifted is because well Mr. Lobsang Sangay & CTA... you claim yourself to be a democratic ruling govt in exile. And in DEMOCRACY perhaps the most important and biggest FREEDOM to grant is the freedom of religion!
This is probably the most important freedom in a democracy. The freedom of religion is the right to adhere to one’s conscience, the right to choose what one believes. How can a democracy function if people are not able to exercise the basic right to have beliefs and ideologies???
By oppressing people's religion and faith only creates disharmony and we all know what is the consequence result to that especially since the Tibetan population is already so small, you do not need to make it any smaller? This I do not get... it is like now being separated you have only 1 arm to work with, would it not be much better if you had two arms? United we stand, divided we fall - ever heard of that CTA?
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Because:
a) Shugden practitioners are not the one who causes the danger of Tibetan Buddhism to degenerate into a form of spirit worship.
- Many great masters, including the Dalai Lama’s teachers have said that Dorje Shugden is a wisdom protector while everyone knows that Nechung, is not.
b) To realise real understanding and harmony that His Holiness has been talking about
- People of all religion can attend His Holiness’ teachings but monks and great masters who practise Dorje Shugden cannot? There is not even harmony in Tibetan Buddhism itself?
- When can segregation walls like this be torn down? (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=6262 (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=6262)) The wall that separates Vajra brothers of the same monastery, lineage and students of the same teachers?
I agree with Ensapa's 'To repent and purify their past and present negative actions'
- Perhaps they have forgotten about the history of the rising of Dorje Shugden who was murdered by the Gaden Phodrang, and the huge black hand arising from black smoke?
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• He is the incarnation of an enlightened mind, and degeneration from enlightened mind is possible
I have a little typo there. I should have said that degeneration from enlightened mind is impossible (not possible)
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Yes I do agree with everyone here on why the ban should be lifted. I would also like to add my personal view on this matter.
As we all know, Buddha Shakyamuni has predicted 2500 years ago the onslaught of the Degenerate Times.
To quote dsiluvu's post in another topic : " Nuns Behaving Badly and Disrespectful" -
The Buddha Shakyamuni has already predicted 2500 years ago that this would happen. He has foretold that the true teachings will gradually lose their clarity and then disappear. Few people will reach enlightenment and even fewer will be able to reach enlightenment in one lifetime. This will proceed into darkness of times, when the truthof things will not be seen anymore, until very far in time, a new Buddha, BuddhaMaitreya, will appear. Thus is his prediction and the signs are all over.The Buddha called these the “degeneration times”. This is so, because these times aremarked by 5 degenerations.
1) Decrease of lifespan.
2) Increase of wrong views.
3) Increase of disturbing emotions.
4) Increase of mental afflictions.
5) The prevalence of bad times, including war, famine and disease.
And a few examples that we are already smacked right in these degenerate times are the increasing self-immolation of monks in Tibetan communities, the incident in 1996 where nuns destroyed DS Buddha statues by stomping, throwing and spitting on, then dragging the statues out along the streets, CTA conducting discriminatory and barbaric acts against fellow Tibetans in exile...etc, along with all the increasing natural disasters, famine, drought the modern world is currently experiencing.
Here is my view: Is it not obvious that the Ban has been perpetuating these degenerate acts on humanity? Or in my opinion, it may even be the cause of these barbaric acts? Hence the Ban should be lifted for the sake of mankind, and there are no 2 ways about it. Stop these degenerating acts by lifting the Ban and perhaps we can save ourselves from further degeneration.
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What about human rights? Each and everyone be they DS practitioners or not should have their freedom to choose their faith. If it is their Guru's instructions why are they being admonished from propitiating DS and need to defy their Guru's advice. This has caused so much pain and sufferings to many, direct and indirectly. If we call ourselves a Buddhist why are we again contradict ourselves? Where is the compassion and the support for each and everyone? I don't see that. It is the people who works and support at behind the scene and underground fervently in order to get the ban to be lifted. Hence, no freedom of choice of practising.
Everyone is entitled to human rights whether practitioner or non practitioners. There should not be any discrimination and equanimity should transcend to all. Let's all have the peace and freedom of choice to practise.
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Personal view:
1. Religious rights
HHdl and CTA can ignore the freedom in selecting a faith or religion in the name of "righteosness". Its such a shame and boo hoo. And its done on the basis of "preserving pure buddhadharma" which i find it ridiculous. And the target is an enlightened being.
2. Human rights
Tibet is considered a religious country and religious policy should undergo a fair voting system for the people to choose or give up the practice instead of doing it their way.
3. Cultural rights
Religion and faith are passed down from generations after generations and as time passes it will be come a culture and then a tradition. Its rooted in people lives and should be respected. China has already regretted its cultural revolution act.
These are three universal rights every single human should be entitled to. If this can be enforced and maintained well, i believe there will not be any unnecessary disputes arising from the doer and the public concerns.
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The thread in this topic has given me a lot more insights and more reasons as to why the ban should be lifted.
However, I am intriqued with one particular reason:
- To really free Tibet
Nechung is retiring soon and his retirement has been predicted in a few texts, namely by Trijang Rinpoche. It is very obvious that Nechung is unable to free tibet and he even accelerated the fall of the Ganden Phodrang by sending their troops to die in the hands of the british troops. He even tried to poison the 13th Dalai Lama by prescribing the wrong medication. These actions prove that Nechung is no longer interested in CTA's welfare and he even told the government that Dorje Shugden is harmful to them because they are not ready for Dorje Shugden's help. It will never be ready if they hold on to their delusions that Dorje Shugden is bad.
To my knowledge, the purpose of a Dharma protector is to protect Dharma not a particular country. True that Tibet as a country has fallen. However, Tibetan Buddhism has become one of the fastest growing religion in the world. I think this is a sign that Dharma Protector like Nechung or DS are true to their vows to protect the Buddhism in general (Nechung) and to protect Lama Tsongkhapa lineage (DS).
How is freeing Tibet as a nation relevant with the function of Dharma protector itself. Although Tibet as a nation has fallen, Tibetan Buddhism has become one of the fastest growing religion in the world. To me this is evidence that the Dharma protectors are true to their vows.
Personally, I think that the chance of Tibet to get their independence is very remote now due to the following reasons:
- No countries actually recognize Tibetan Independence
- China has grown really strong militarily and economically
- Since Chinese occupation in 1959, many residents from mainland China has migrated to Tibet to encourage assimilation
- There is no way Tibetan government in exile with their current strength can win their country back.
Even HHDL recognized this and made a statement that Tibet is not fighting for independence, but only for autonomy.
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The thread in this topic has given me a lot more insights and more reasons as to why the ban should be lifted.
However, I am intriqued with one particular reason:
To my knowledge, the purpose of a Dharma protector is to protect Dharma not a particular country. True that Tibet as a country has fallen. However, Tibetan Buddhism has become one of the fastest growing religion in the world. I think this is a sign that Dharma Protector like Nechung or DS are true to their vows to protect the Buddhism in general (Nechung) and to protect Lama Tsongkhapa lineage (DS).
How is freeing Tibet as a nation relevant with the function of Dharma protector itself. Although Tibet as a nation has fallen, Tibetan Buddhism has become one of the fastest growing religion in the world. To me this is evidence that the Dharma protectors are true to their vows.
Personally, I think that the chance of Tibet to get their independence is very remote now due to the following reasons:
- No countries actually recognize Tibetan Independence
- China has grown really strong militarily and economically
- Since Chinese occupation in 1959, many residents from mainland China has migrated to Tibet to encourage assimilation
- There is no way Tibetan government in exile with their current strength can win their country back.
Even HHDL recognized this and made a statement that Tibet is not fighting for independence, but only for autonomy.
To be very honest, that is what I feel too. A Dharmapala's job is to protect the Dharma and its practitioners and get rid of negative conditions/situations so that Dharma teachings can survive and be disseminated. However, somehow or rather Nechung was appointed as Tibet's official Dharma protector and is supposed to take care of Tibet as well. This is the reason why you see him taking trance for the Ganden Phodrang and even Lobsang Sanggay has consulted him as well: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1841.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1841.0) so why does the CTA need a Dharma protector to help them out on one hand and on the other hand do little for the Dharma and even destroying it by enforcing the ban in such a way where more Dharma is destroyed? Does not make sense to me...
I like your view, michaela, but sadly the CTA does not see it as that way and still consults nechung on when Tibet will be free. Freeing Tibet to the CTA is relevant as they see themselves as a Buddhist government that protects the Dharma but they cannot explain why they banned the reincarnations of such high lamas like chankya rolpa dorje and sacked their ladrangs. They are contradicting their own causes and motivations which is another reason why them consulting Dharma protectors will bring no results or will have results that are unable to manifest.
The Tibetan government has nothing to show to the world, nor can they offer anything to the world. Tibetan Buddhism has spread far and wide since and that has slipped out of their hands now. They are no longer responsible for the spread of Tibetan Buddhism in the world. To say that they support the monasteries, last I heard most of the facilities in the monastery was provided for by private sponsors. It would be extremely good if CTA can scrape off some money and make offerings to Ganden, Sera and Drepung every monlam instead of making statement after statement. If they could at least develop Dharamsala into a very nice place, that would turn China's head and China would have confidence in CTA when they take over Tibet and they will have talks with them as they're now on the same level.
Autonomy is the last hope for the Tibetans in Tibet who finds it hard to conform to the Chinese laws and systems so that they will suffer a little less.
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There is also one very good reason why the ban has to be lifted as swiftly as possible. This reason has to do with the danger of the decline and possible disappearance of Je Tsongkapa's lineage teachings or the Gelug lineage teachings.
We have seen how, alongside the dismissal of Dorje Shugden as a Supramundane Dharma Protector and condemnation of Him as a Preta Being, has also come the condemnation of Gelugpas and great Gelug Masters,like Pabongka Rinpoche, as being sectarian. Indirectly, this is putting down Je Tsongkapa's pure and complete teachings of the Dharma as a source of sectarianism.
Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche had painstakingly put together all the important lineages of sutra and tantra which he held and passed them all down mainly to his heart disciple, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, who had then passed them down to his heart sons, like Kyabje Zong Rinpoche. Thus, it was Pabongka Rinpoche who with foresight ensured that Je Tsongkapa's and the Gelug Lineage teachings survived the Chinese invasion of Tibet and would be preserved for posterity, by being passed down from teacher to root disciples.
Unfortunately because of the ban on Shugden and the condemnation of illustrious and influential Gelug Masters, like Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche and Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, who had been devoted Shugden practitioners and had strenuously worked to pass the Shugden lineage to their disciples, "people throughout the Buddhist world are beginning to have doubts about the general Dharma of the Gelug tradition, and in particular the Dharma of Je Pabongka and Trijang Rinpoche"(according to one of the last surviving great Gelug Masters, Geshe Kelsang Gyatso).
Dorje Shugden arose as an uncommon Protector, mainly to protect Je Tsongkapa's teachings which are so vital for beings of this degenerate age. If the ban isn't lifted soon enough, He will not be able to save Je Tsongkapa's teachings from severe decline and possible extinction, much to the loss of beings of this degenerate age.
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There is no ban. HHDL just advised us as per his duty as the spiritual head of Tibetan Buddhism not to practice Dhogyal. He didn't force us to give up.
If you persist by saying there is a ban, well it's not logical. You don't see the press, police, govt or NGO organizations mentioning anything about a ban by HHDL. Are they all blind, deaf, dumb and mute? Of course not, there is no ban except in the minds of the paranoid.
Everyone should listen to the advice of HHDL. He gains no benefit from advising against dhogyal from the genuine concern for us.
There is a difference in advising and a ban. A ban that does not exist.
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Dear Tenzin Gyatso
Please watch this documentaries. It is obvious that the discrimination against Shugdenpas is in the air and it is mentioned in the press. This is a true discrimination based on faith.
If you said there is no ban, you are in denial.
Thank you.
The Shugden Outcasts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0jQpQlUGJ8#)
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As an addendum, the ban should be lifted because a lot of people are destroying their spirituality due to the ban. They are denouncing other Buddhists and attacking them. To criticize another lama or another tradition just because they are different from yours is not a Buddhist thing to do. I would not do that at all, even towards those who are pro Dalai Lama and anti Dorje Shugden. Also, in addition to that, at this time and age, Dorje Shugden is much needed by people of our time, who does not need to be protected against exterior harm, but from mental wars and confusions on the inside, and Dorje Shugden is excellent to help resolve those.
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Regardless of what anyone may think about Dorje Shugden, whether the deity is an enlightened being as has been proven, or an evil spirit as alleged, it is actually a private matter for each individual practitioner to figure out and decide. Does anyone in the world disagree that each human being has a right to his/her own belief? Whatever you may think of Dorje Shugden, should not affect your opposition to the ban, and indeed any ban of a religious nature. Let me put it in another perspective, setting aside for the time being the nature of Dorje Shugden.
Let's instead approach the ban from a general perspective:
Ask yourselves the following question in relation to your own religion or belief (whatever it may be):
1. Whatever country you are in, will you accept it if you were to be forbidden from travelling abroad because you are a practicing a certain religion?
2. Whatever religion you may believe in, will you accept it if you were not allowed to hold a job in the government offices because of your religion? And if you have been in that job all your life, how would you feel if you were suddenly sacked because there is a shift in policy on the religion you have been practicing?
3. Can you accept it if your children and relatives were banned from attending state schools because of YOUR religious practice, not necessarily theirs?
4. How would you feel if someone was sick in your family but you were frightened to ask for medical help because people would find out what religion you have been practicing? Do you think it is fair for your [respective] government to withhold medical care from you and your family because of your religion?
5. Do you feel it is fair and right if people boycotted your business or profession just because you held certain beliefs?
6. How would you feel if your relatives and friends were encouraged to spy on you and report what you did just because of what you believed?
7. How would you take it if strangers came into your house uninvited and removed things that you hold most sacred? Will you accept it if people came into your own home and remove your statues of your God(s) and other symbols of your religion?
8. How do you think you will feel if you lost your pension and state benefits just because you were a Buddhist/ Christian/ Muslim/ Hindu/ Scientologist/ Sikh/ Jew etc ?
9. How would you react if your citizenship was removed because of the religion you practice?
10. How would you feel if you and your family were hunted down like criminals, with pictures of members of your family posted up in shops and public places because of your religion?
11. How would you feel if your own god or deity of your veneration suddenly became outlawed by your own government whom you elected into office?
These are simple questions that anyone can relate to and once you do, then it is easy for you to relate to the suffering the ban has wrought upon innocent practitioners of Dorje Shugden. If in your own world you have been enjoying relative peace and quiet in your own religious practice, it is because the basic principles of human rights have been applied to you. Imagine if it weren't so and you will very quickly understand the plight of Shugden practitioners.
That is why the ban should be lifted. And every good citizen in the world who values his/her right to his/her own religious practice should get involved and write to the CTA to stop this grave injustice. Please use the following link to obtain the right addresses to write to: (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=155.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=155.0))
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Shugden Ban is Illegal and Unconstitutional
Posted by admin on March 5, 2010 in Articles, The Controversy · 0 Comments
Legal References to support why the ban is unconstitutional
TIBETAN GOVERNMENT IN EXILE CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 17. Every Tibetan shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. The right includes freedom to openly believe, practise, worship and observe any religion either alone or in community with others.
GOVERNMENT OF INDIA CONSTITUTION[/size]
Adopted on: 26 Jan 1950
Preamble
WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens:
JUSTICE, social, economic and political;
LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship;
EQUALITY of status and of opportunity; and to promote among them all FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and integrity of the Nation;
IN OUR CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY this twenty-sixth day of November, 1949, do HEREBY ADOPT, ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION.
Article 15 Prohibition of discrimination on grounds of religion, race, caste, sex or place of birth
(1) The State shall not discriminate against any citizen on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth or any of them.
Article 25 Freedom of conscience and free profession, practice and propagation of religion
(1) Subject to public order, morality and health and to the other provisions of this Part, all persons are equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right freely to profess, practice and propagate religion.
UNITED NATIONS DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
Article 1
Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have a religion or whatever belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching.
No one shall be subject to coercion which would impair his freedom to have a religion or belief of his choice.
Freedom to manifest one’s religion or belief may be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary to protect public safety, order, health or morals or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others.
Article 2
No one shall be subject to discrimination by any State, institution, group of persons, or person on the grounds of religion or other belief.
For the purposes of the present Declaration, the expression “intolerance and discrimination based on religion or belief” means any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on religion or belief and having as its purpose or as its effect nullification or impairment of the recognition, enjoyment or exercise of human rights and fundamental freedoms on an equal basis.
Article 3
Discrimination between human being on the grounds of religion or belief constitutes an affront to human dignity and a disavowal of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations, and shall be condemned as a violation of the human rights and fundamental freedoms proclaimed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and enunciated in detail in the International Covenants on Human Rights, and as an obstacle to friendly and peaceful relations between nations.
From Geshe Kelsang Gyatso’s Open Letter to H.H. the Dalai Lama, 9 December 1997:
“Your ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden is a direct attack on religious freedom. This is against the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and also against the law in democratic countries such as the United States. You are also engaging in Deity discrimination, which breaks the constitutional law of India.”
Source: Wisdom Buddha Dorje Shugden website http://www.wisdombuddhadorjeshugden.org/dorjeshugden08.php (http://www.wisdombuddhadorjeshugden.org/dorjeshugden08.php)
Is this loud and clear enough???
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ban-is-illegal-and-unconstitutional/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ban-is-illegal-and-unconstitutional/)[/color]
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The ban should also be lifted because of all the people that are being misled by the ban that the root and lineage Lamas of the Gelug tradition, the centerpieces of the lineage of Pabongkha Dorjechang, Trijang Dorjechang and Zong Dorjechang are not as worthy or as wise as they are because they practice Dorje Shugden. This is a very gross and misleading theory that they are circulating. The other really bad thing that they are circulating is that the idea of being nonsectarian is to practice everything from every lineage when possible, and when people actually do this they get very confused and gain no attainments from whatever Dharma practice they are doing. In a way, the ban is very destructive to the spirituality of many people.
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i) If Dorje Shugden is really a spirit then the past 400 years there were no scholars, pandits high lamas who have any realisation whatsoever within the Gelugpa Tradition. Just look at the works of Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, Gangchen Lama etc etc.
ii) If Tibet is to be really, how can the very government who are trying to get a measure of independence or autonomy from China, resort to oppressing their own people. Oppression leads to more Oppression not FREEDOM.
OPPRESSION does not equal FREEDOM.
iii) By relying on Dorje Shugden who is a Buddha that is much better than relying on Nechung who is known universally as a spirit. Hence lifting the ban is another way of stopping Buddhism from degenerating into Spirit Worship.
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I addition to that I feel strongly that Dorje Shugden is extremely beneficial for the people who are oppressed and in downtrodden states. That Dorje Shugden really rescues such desperate beings from their neverending misery. Being an enlightened protector Dorje Shugden will help them short term and long term that is undeniable.
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I addition to that I feel strongly that Dorje Shugden is extremely beneficial for the people who are oppressed and in downtrodden states. That Dorje Shugden really rescues such desperate beings from their neverending misery. Being an enlightened protector Dorje Shugden will help them short term and long term that is undeniable.
there are many beings that are being endlessly oppressed and caught in a repeated cycle of suffering and they have no way to get out of it and Dorje Shugden, manifesting as a Dharma protector whose practitioners are being oppressed, shows his power and his compassion by supporting his practitioners and also beings that require a protector but cannot find any at the last hour. If the ban was lifted, more and more people would be able to benefit from Dorje Shugden but due to the ban, not many people are aware of his benefits or turn away from him when in reality they need him.
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My reasons are:
- Yes, Dorje Shugden is an enlightened Buddha who can't be subdued and hence He will benefit millions of lives.
- Families, friends are separated because they can't practise Dorje Shugden and their society despises them just because they practise what they trust.
- There have been many cases of Shugden practitioners getting beaten up very badly. Where is the compassion? Where is the kindness that they are supposed to portray?
Please lift the ban and free the lives of your people.
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In my opinion, the ban should be lifted because of the conflict spiritually and physically with the People of Tibet. Because spiritually, the monks and the Shugden followers were forced out of their faith and vows. The anti-Shugden people say that they did not force anybody, but they did and the followers were forced to break their vows and have their right to believe taken away from them. Also the followers are being discriminated in their own country by their own people and seen as criminals by their own country so I think that is cruel. So not only are the people being forced out of their beliefs, but they are being treated badly too.
That is why i think the bad should end, but do not talk badly about any of the spiritual teachers because they have their own ways and I will always have respect for The Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden. Also it is known that some enlightened being sometimes appear as they are in conflict so you must pick which side you are more comfortable with and what you think is right and do not judge the other spiritual teacher. I still believe that the ban should go down soon though.
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The ban should be lifted as it has split Tibetan brother from brother, families and confusion abound for much of Tibetan society. That is one reason for me.
Another reason is I can't help but think that the Dalai Lama by enacting the ban has effectively helped many Gelug organisations, to be self sufficient, can hold their own and able to progress by themselves. At the cost of his reputation and standing in the world. What other Tibetan buddhist organisations have faced so much problems and difficulty and yet despite it all emerged even stronger than ever. Not reliant on the Dalai Lama's fame and influence across the globe anymore, many of this Gelug organisations have faced down the threats from CTA and the Dalai Lama and grown... Something to ponder about?
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During this degenerate era, it is believed that people will be unable to attain enlightenment through the word of Buddha, and society will become morally corrupt. In Buddhist thought, during the time where Dharma is declining , the teachings of the Buddha will still be correct, but people will no longer be capable of following them. Hence, full reliance on the Great King Protector will eliminate the suffering and pain for those who have the fortunate to encounter and follow the practice with faith. Why should anyone have doubts on the status of Dorje Shugden since there are countless testimonials from the many great masters i.e. Pabongka Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche, Zong Rinpoche etc who have been in relying on this sacred practice for many life times and gain positive results.
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I find it quite quite confusing, how can the Dalai Lama promote peace and harmony on one side and create disharmony on the other side.
Dorje Shugden is a fully enlightened Dharma protector, how could people mistake him for an unenlightened spirit? Many people have tried to destroy Dorje Shugden but all of them failed in vain. This can only mean two things either: Dorje Shugden is a fully enlightened Dharma protector and cannot be subdued or Dorje Shugden is a evil spirit that is even more powerful than the Buddhas(since he can't be subdued) If Dorje Shugden is a spirit that is even more powerful than the Buddhas then why do we still pray to them?
I really hope that the Dalai Lama can realize his mistakes, stop being a hypocrite and bring down the ban immediately to end the decades of suffering of Shugdenpa's. _/\_
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I really hope and pray that tue DS ban will end very soon as it has cause a lot of harm and suffering to the people who are innocent. The CTA is also misusing this ban to cover their selfish actions of not helping the Tibetans in exiled. They themselves have their own part to do and has nothing got to do with the ban. One is spiritual and another is political. These two does not gel.
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I think, put aside the topic "Why the ban should be lifted", let's talk bout "Why is there a ban?". Why is there a ban? Dalai Lama said practicing Dorje Shugden will:
1) shorten his life
2) not free Tibet
3) go to 3 lower realm
4) Dorje Shugden is evil spirit
All these ever make sense at all??? I think if we put this in international debate everybody will point at Dalai Lama and laugh.
1) shorten Dalai Lama life
Dalai Lama is emanation of Chenrezig. If Dorje Shugden will shorten his life, that means he is not Chenrezig. Or, Dorje Shugden is more powerful than Chenrezig. Then what is so great about Dalai Lama and Tibetan Buddhism? In this case, Dalai Lama is slapping his own face and a big slap to Tibetan Buddhism. Yet, no proof that Dorje Shugden will shorten his life.
2) not free Tibet
Free Tibet or not free Tibet is not Dorje Shugden or Dalai Lama can say. In the first place, why China didn't want Tibet to independent? What did The Dalai Lama said before when he started to fight for Tibet independent? I think most of us didn't go to that..... Why China "hate" Dalai Lama so much? So, what Dorje Shugden has to do with free Tibet? Come on..... Dorje Shugden is a protector in Tibetan Buddhism, not President of China or King of Tibet or something. Don't simply drag Dorje Shugden into your filthy politic plays! Another doesn't make sense at all.
3) go to 3 lower realm
There are already many proves that High Lama who practiced Dorje Shugden has already reincarnated. Like, The 14th Dalai Lama own Guru - Trijang Rinpoche. So, again, where is the proof that practicing Dorje Shugden will go to 3 lower realm? In that case, Trijang Rinpoche already gone to 3 lower realm. Again, doesn't make sense.
4) Dorje Shugden is evil spirit
This is similar to my first point. If Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit, fire puja couldn't stop him. Dalai Lama's own Guru, Trijang Rinpoche practice him. If Dalai Lama appear in front of me, I really wish to ask him,
"Dalai Lama, if your Guru practice evil spirit, you are his student, then what are you?". And,
"if your Guru was wrong, that means, all the teaching you got from him was wrong, then are you the real Dalai Lama or not?"
Again, Dalai Lama is slapping his own face. In the end, who bring disgrace to Tibetan Buddhism? If the Dorje Shugden ban still not lifted, there'll be more and more disgrace to Tibetan Buddhism and the very Dalai Lama himself.
Let's hope The Dalai Lama realize this, for sure he does! And lift the ban as soon as possible.