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Decline of Buddhism in Thailand
« on: May 24, 2013, 04:21:45 PM »
Here's a nice dialogue on the decline of Buddhism in Thailand by several different people:

May 24th, 2013
Decline of Buddhism in Thailand


LUCKY SEVERSON, correspondent: There’s a struggle going on inside Thailand. It’s between two powerful influences. One side can be found in places like this; the other in crowded spaces like this. For now it seems that one side is falling behind.

This is Professor John Butt, senior advisor to the Institute of Religion at Payap University in Chiang Mai.

PROF. JOHN BUTT: It’s a real clash with modernity, with social change, and it’s been very intense. The changes that took place in America and in Europe have been extended over a couple of centuries; here it’s been a couple of decades.

SEVERSON: This is a country where almost 95 percent of the population is Buddhist, where the constitution mandates that the king be a Buddhist, and where there are temples almost everywhere.

PROF. BUTT: I think probably this is one of the central if not the central Buddhist country in the world.

SEVERSON: It’s a country that has recently seen a remarkable rise in economic prosperity. There was a time not that long ago when it would have been difficult to find a mall, let alone one so crowded. The roads would have been clogged with motor scooters, and the fancy cars belonged only to diplomats and the very rich. Not anymore. The Thais have embraced consumerism with gusto.

This is An Jang Sang, professor emeritus at Chiang Mai University.

AN JANG SANG: Some of them may be interested in materialism, consumerism, but deep down in their heart they are still Buddhists.

SEVERSON: But he agrees they’re not going to the temples, also known as wats, as much as they once did.

PROF. BUTT: In the past the wat was not just the religious center, it was the life center of the village community. The social life took place there, counseling, respect, authority for the monks. That’s, I think, decreased tremendously.

SEVERSON: And not as many are going to the Buddha to offer their prayerful good wishes for all living things. Some are giving more in donations, but Phra Boonchuey, the assistant abbot at this large temple, says too many are just donating to buy good karma.

PHRA BOONCHUEY: Because now they are coming to the temple just only to offer the offering in order to please, you know, their life for their own benefit.

SEVERSON: Phra BoonChuey is on a mission to get Thai Buddhism back on track.

PHRA BOONCHUEY: And so we have to do many things, you know, to bring people, you know, back to the religion.

SEVERSON: That would include bringing back the monks themselves who have been disappearing. In the past, almost every young man would become a monk, leading a monastic life, some for a few months, some for a lifetime. But in the last 30 years it is estimated that the number of monks has fallen by more than half. Mr. Vinai, our tuk-tuk driver, served as a monk for over a year as a young man.

(to Mr. Vinai): Did you like being a monk?

MR. VINAI: Yes. Yes.

SEVERSON: Do you think every young man should be a monk?

MR. VINAI: No, no.

SEVERSON: He says not every young man should be a monk because some care more about shopping.

(to Mr. Vinai): How many boys do you have?

MR. VINAI: I have two.

SEVERSON: Were they monks?


SEVERSON: His last boy served only 15 days.

It’s about 5:30 in the morning, and the first monks are showing up to collect alms, their food for the whole day. Sometimes there’s only one meal a day, often followed by some sort of community service, and then there are the hours of chanting, study, and meditation. It’s not an easy life. Professor Butt says he once asked the young men in his class how many had been ordained.

PROF. BUTT: If I had asked that question a hundred years ago, I would have gotten close to a 100 percent yes, that they had ordained as a novice, maybe a short period of time, but they had done so. I went five years before I got one positive response, who had ordained.

SEVERSON: One reason for that might be the Thais have been practicing family planning, and if there is only one boy in the family, and the choice is school, making money, or ordination…

PRHA BOONCHUEY: You may not want him to be a novice or to get ordination.

SEVERSON: A big factor is that in the past many boys became monks to get a free education at the temple. Now Thailand offers 12 years of free public education and far more are attending secular schools. Scandals have also contributed to the diminishing numbers of monks, scandals revealed by social media. Pictures of monks at parties with women, drinking alcohol, watching porn, driving expensive fancy cars. Things monks are not supposed to be doing.

MR. VINAI: Not whiskey, not beer.

SEVERSON: Cigarettes, no cigarettes?

MR. VINAI: Nah, no.

SEVERSON: No women?

MR. VINAI: No women.

SEVERSON: No partying?

MR. VINAI: Yeah, no party.

SEVERSON: It’s not that there has been an epidemic of scandalous behavior, but what there is seems to find its way into the media. Justin McDaniel, the chairman of the department of religious studies at the University of Pennsylvania, was once a monk himself in Thailand.

JUSTIN MCDANIEL: It has a big impact in the press. I think it also has a big impact that if somebody was on the fence about being a monk or nun, that this is kind of relatively a legitimate excuse you could give to your mom for not doing it: well, look at the way monks act.

SEVERSON: Professor McDaniel argues that Thai Buddhism itself is not in decline, that it is gaining considerable traction in the Western world, and that the Thai people themselves are debating it more, which he says is a good thing. He skeptical that there really is a crisis.

MCDANIEL: I’ve never heard any professional religious person, rabbi, monk, priest, imam ever say everything is fine. You know, it’s always we’re in a state of crisis, and we’re in a state of crisis so you should be coming more, and you should be giving more money, you should be becoming a monk or you should be reading more books.

SEVERSON: He would find some disagreement here in Chiang Mai. Phra Boonchuey, for instance, thinks monks need to be taught more critical thinking instead of just memorization, and that the benefits of meditation need to be emphasized more. He wants Buddhists to get back to their basic precepts, such as abstaining from killing, stealing, sexual misconduct, lying, and drinking alcohol. He would also counsel them to consume only what they need and to avoid the trappings of materialism.

PHRA BOONCHUEY: Think before [you] consume.

SEVERSON: There is a branch of Buddhism that’s flourishing. It’s called Dhammakaya. One way to explain Dhammakaya is that it is to Buddhism what the prosperity gospel is to Christianity. In other words the traditional value of selflessness has been replaced with “bigger is better.” The more you give, the more you get. Professor Butt says in some ways consumerism is becoming a religion of its own.

PROF. BUTT: This is the most pervasive and maybe becoming deeply rooted and growing the fastest of any religion in Thailand, and it’s consumerism. This is the way that one identifies one’s life, by what you own. The old thing was “I think, therefore I am.” Now it’s “I buy, therefore I am.”

MCDANIEL: I don’t see consumerism as somehow a-religious. And I don’t see modernity as somehow a-religious. I think that there’s many ways of being religious. I think when we say that consumerism or modernity is somehow a sign of secularism, I think that’s a very particular way of looking at religion.

PROF. BUTT: We’re living in a new world, and religion is a response to life, to what it means to be human, and when that changes, as I said earlier, religion has to change too or it dies. It’s put in a museum.

SEVERSON: No one is suggesting Thai Buddhism is heading for a museum, but many agree that it might need some new packaging.

For Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly, I’m Lucky Severson in Chiang Mai, Thailand.

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Re: Decline of Buddhism in Thailand
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2013, 07:25:05 AM »
Here the link to the above title
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Re: Decline of Buddhism in Thailand
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2013, 02:05:16 PM »
Modern people are more distracted with living in this life therefore being spiritual or religious wouldn't even come into their mind or it is being associated with superstitious. That is a sure sign of lack of study and learning of spirituality. Instead gaining knowledge to benefit oneself in order to have a comfortable life is associated with progress and capacity to learn. There is nothing with it but the all focus of existence is the problem which manifests into societies' ills this day and age.


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Re: Decline of Buddhism in Thailand
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2013, 01:02:10 PM »
Society today are too busy to even to have their time for the family especially in the city. Is irony that parents were too busy working in order to give the best for their children and families but in the return does these parents get what they have been working so hard for? Maybe as simple thing as being closed to the family? City life is hard as everyone is competing amongst each other, even your children know iPad is fun to have and everyone in the school seems having it now a days, why not me? The world had simply turn into adoring material and you, yourself are being judge by what, where and how is you and your family lifestyle is.


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Re: Decline of Buddhism in Thailand
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2013, 07:03:58 PM »
Thailand is not the only country that is suffering a decline in Buddhism. Thai Buddhists are basically distracted by modern-day samsaric pleasures. Thai Buddhists are caught up in the Eight Worldly Concerns.  Thai Buddhists have not made spiritual practices their main priority.  It is clearly a sign of degeneration.  Dharma will not degenerate.  It is the Thai Buddhists who have degenerated.  The Thai Buddhists must personally as well as collectively generate vast amount of merits for Dharma to flourish and grow again. 


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Re: Decline of Buddhism in Thailand
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2013, 02:24:44 PM »
Buddhism is on the decline in Thailand, with the onset of economic prosperity . The signs are there.In olden times, there was hardly any shopping mall in any area. There were few cars, let alone flashy ones. There were fewer forms of modern-day sophisticated entertainment. Life in a village revolved around the wat. The monk was a respected figure, a figure of authority, someone you would seek counselling and advice from. Not anymore. Now, there are shopping malls everywhere, which are usually packed with people. Highways are filled with fast-moving cars, including fancy ones.

The age of materialism and consumerism has set in. It has pervaded even religion. "Thais are embracing consumerism with gusto!"  Now 'spiritual materialism' expresses itself in the 'buying of good karma' with donations! The core value of selflessness is being replaced by - "bigger is better", "the more you give the more you get"! "I buy ,therefore I am". One is now "identifying one's life with what one owns".(Professor Butt)

Less and less people are interested to become monks, even to become novice monks for  a short period of time(which, until recently, was  popular among young Thais). One reason for this is that, as a result of family planning, Thai families now have fewer sons, sometimes only one. Hence, parents are reluctant for their "only son" to become monks. They'd rather they study and pursue a suitable career and raise a family.

However, deep at the heart of all this, is that times have changed. Buddhism may not have been relegated to a museum yet, but today's world requires a  more thinking and critical/analytical approach to Buddhism as a religion. Also, meditation, including insight meditation,has now become a necessary part of practice.Finally, as Severson puts it, Thai Buddhism "needs new packaging".