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Title: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: christine V on January 19, 2018, 08:49:26 AM
In the news Lobsang Sangay asking the India Government to make Tibetan issues as core issues. My thought is, India have allowed the Tibetan Refugees stayed for 60 years. Despite any beneficial project that the Tibetan could give to India, they actually create disharmony in the refugees camp by started Dorje Shugden' ban which the CTA ban their own lineage of practice and thus bring a lot of disharmonious with the Buddhist society and also confuse the Buddhist practitioners.

Worst still, India is the biggest democratic country in the world, the moment the ban is practice in refugees' camp is a big slap to the India government. Now, after 60 years! They not only cant return to China, Lobsang Sangay have requested and urge India to have conflict with China! What the CTA thinking? The peace within China and India could be restored when Tibetans is unite with China. How Tibetan continue to survive if still in refugees' status, how Tibetan handle the Tibet issues if they return to Tibet? Looking at how corrupt they could be. In their own refugees camp, they can't even handle their own people's welfare.

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from : The Times of India
Make Tibet 'core' issue of your policy: Tibetan govt-in-exile president to India
PTI | Jan 18, 2018, 11.22 PM IST

NEW DELHI: President of the Tibetan government-in-exile Lobsang Sangay today appealed to India to make Tibet a "core" issue of its policy. Inaugurating a year-long 'Thank You India' campaign marking 60 years of Chinese "occupation" of Tibet and the Dalai Lama coming to India, the president of the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) said the security of India "partly depended" on the "situation" in Tibet.

"We thank India for its support in past six decades to our cause and also appeal to it to support us politically and make Tibet its core issue," he said.

Asserting that the Tibetans are in India because of the support of Indian government and people, Sangay said, "We are a success story and it has been a great journey, thanks to India and its people."

The security and stability in China as well as India depends on the safety and stability in Tibet, he said.

Advocating good relations between India and China, Sangay, however, suggested his host country to be "cautions" of China's expansionist policy.

"Sixty years back, we lost our country to Chinese occupation. We do not want other countries to face the same consequences," he said.


Replying to a question on Doklam, the CTA president said that going to the United Nations could be one option for Bhutan who lays claim on the region where Chinese and Indian armies have faced a stand-off.

Sangay said that the 'Thank You India' campaign symbolises gratitude of the Tibetan people towards their host country and it will begin with a interfaith meeting, which will be attended by the Dalai Lama at Rajghat on March 31 followed by a public event at Thyagraj stadium on April 1.

The year-long campaign will include events in more than 20 cities, including Bengaluru and Shimla, and will have initiatives like 'Little Tibet festival', 'Green India', 'Healthy India', 'Feed the Hungry' and 'Clean India'.

Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Ringo Starr on January 19, 2018, 06:06:30 PM

Advocating good relations between India and China, Sangay, however, suggested his host country to be "cautions" of China's expansionist policy.


He is such a hypocrite, Lobsang Sangay is bent on driving a wedge between China and India.

Here's the proof:

January 18, 2018

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tibetan-leader-cautions-india-against-chinas-doklam-plans/article22466290.ece (http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tibetan-leader-cautions-india-against-chinas-doklam-plans/article22466290.ece)

Tibetan leader cautions India against China’s ‘Doklam plans’

January 18, 2018

http://zeenews.india.com/india/india-should-help-resolve-tibetan-issue-tibetan-leader-lobsang-sangay-2074785.html (http://zeenews.india.com/india/india-should-help-resolve-tibetan-issue-tibetan-leader-lobsang-sangay-2074785.html)

India should help resolve Tibetan issue: Tibetan leader Lobsang Sangay
Sangay underlined that an independent or autonomous Tibet was in the interest of both India and China as it provided a buffer between the two big nations that have mutual "mistrust and suspicion" due to their long border.

January 11, 2018

Tibetan PM-in-exile cautions India against China

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/tibetan-pm-in-exile-cautions-india-against-china/527054.html (http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/tibetan-pm-in-exile-cautions-india-against-china/527054.html)

November 20, 2017

http://www.thetibetpost.com/en/news/international/5807-india-and-china-never-shared-a-border-president-of-tibet-in-halifax (http://www.thetibetpost.com/en/news/international/5807-india-and-china-never-shared-a-border-president-of-tibet-in-halifax)

India and China never shared a border: President of Tibet in Halifax

Lobsang Sangay wants Tibet to be restored as buffer zone between India, China
http://www.newsbharati.com/Encyc/2017/11/20/Tibet-as-buffer-zone.html (http://www.newsbharati.com/Encyc/2017/11/20/Tibet-as-buffer-zone.html)


July 9, 2017

https://thewire.in/155657/lobsang-sangay-central-tibetan-administration-tibet-flag-india-china/ (https://thewire.in/155657/lobsang-sangay-central-tibetan-administration-tibet-flag-india-china/)

Amid the ongoing stand-off in Doklam, the image of the head of the Tibetan ‘government in exile’ paying respects to the Tibetan flag on Indian territory could be seen as ‘political activity’, something Delhi has discouraged in the past.




Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Rowntree on January 20, 2018, 04:04:56 AM
This has been Lobsang Sangay's job to ask for help and money for himself. It is never enough because the greed and dissatisfaction are never-ending. He has proven to be a failure, a lousy President, and a stupid politician who has done nothing but to pay off his mortgage, go for fine dining with Dhardon Sharling, bribe accountant to change the $1.5 million loan from Tibet Fund to a donation, and etc. He is a cunning and dishonest person who should just step down and stop harming the Tibetas already.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Belinda Mae on January 21, 2018, 04:37:41 PM
Lobsang Sangay must be up to something or else he won't thank his host country India. Why is he adding in oil to a fire by asking India to beware of China? Many times India has been offering opportunities to them for eg the Indian citizenship to the Tibetans-in-exiled but what happens when the people really wants to take up the citizenship? The CTA make their life miserable. No point other people wanting to help but CTA is rejecting it.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Brian Little on January 21, 2018, 06:53:07 PM
When will Lobsang Sangay CTA stop taking from people and own up their own mistakes? 60 years of non performing resulting in the suffering of its people. Already incurring wrath of deities and other sponsoring countries already talking of stopping to support the disfunctional CTA. Seems inevitable that CTA will be doomed one day, not because of Dorje Shugden but it is because of their own making.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Celia on January 24, 2018, 02:49:33 AM
It high time that people take to heart that Lobsang Sangay and CTA are only in it for themselves. Why else is it that after decades of financial aids and donations that CTA has achieved absolutely nothing significant? There are just no significant tangible results from them despite receiving millions of dollars.

Judging from reports, it is apparent that all such financial assistance have just been manipulated by this group of opportunists who are capitalising on the Tibetan cause and people’s sufferings. They are also blatantly going around playing the part and enjoying the spoils, while keeping the Tibetans in exiles in sordid state.

After all, Lobsang Sangay/CTA will need to have justification to continue asking and to ensure the continued flow of financial aids. If Tibetans in exile are no longer refugees, financial aids and donations would not come easily to Lobsang Sangay/CTA anymore.


Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Tracy on November 19, 2018, 01:15:15 PM
The Tibetans in exile always expect people to help them. They are the typical takers, they are so used to take that they don't know how to work hard for the money. They use their plight to earn sympathy and donations for themselves. For the past 60 years, they have been surviving on donations.

Lobsang Sangay has no shame, they have taken so much from India and he is still asking for more. While he is asking for more things from India, he is also creating problems for India. He knows India wants to improve its relationship with China but he still allows his people to protest against China in India. This has put India in a very difficult position.

The Tibetans in India were also caught cheating the benefit given to them by the Indian government. I am sure Lobsang Sangay is aware of this, what has he done? There was no apology and no action was taken. With an attitude like this, I don't think India will offer more help to them, Lobsang Sangay can forget about it!
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Alex on November 19, 2018, 06:46:59 PM
The Tibetans in exile always expect people to help them. They are the typical takers, they are so used to take that they don't know how to work hard for the money. They use their plight to earn sympathy and donations for themselves. For the past 60 years, they have been surviving on donations.

Lobsang Sangay has no shame, they have taken so much from India and he is still asking for more. While he is asking for more things from India, he is also creating problems for India. He knows India wants to improve its relationship with China but he still allows his people to protest against China in India. This has put India in a very difficult position.

The Tibetans in India were also caught cheating the benefit given to them by the Indian government. I am sure Lobsang Sangay is aware of this, what has he done? There was no apology and no action was taken. With an attitude like this, I don't think India will offer more help to them, Lobsang Sangay can forget about it!

Im really curious why India still willing to accommodate the Tibetans and let them continue to stay in India and create problems for them. After so many years of freeloading and taking their resources, they give nothing back or any form of contribution to the Indian society and yet they still have the audacity to request for India to put them as the priority?

What is there for Tibetan to offer to India for them to make them their priority? What can the Tibetans do for India which is going great that they need to be on the priority list? That does not make sense. All the Tibetans did for 60 years is taking up space, wasting their resources and also make Indians angry. They did nothing positive.

Now that Mr Lobsang announced that Tibet cause will go on for another 50 years, is he indirectly telling India to keep tolerate them for another 50 years? Where on earth there are refugees that stay as refugees for a century? Assimilate into Indian society already. There is no hope in Tibet cause, they should just join India as a citizen already.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: vajratruth on November 19, 2018, 07:02:50 PM

He is such a hypocrite, Lobsang Sangay is bent on driving a wedge between China and India.



I think the Indians are not fooled. It may have been expedient for India to support, albeit subtly, the Tibetan struggle but that's not out of any genuine interest in the Tibetan cause. I doubt if there is any significant nation in the world today who will stand up to China because they truly believe that Tibetan governance is better for the Tibetan people.

The reality is, the Tibetan cause is 'all pain and no gain' to anyone who comes into contact with it. India went to war with China in the 60's over this and have strained her relationship with China for decades because of the Tibetan people. Finally, earlier this year India took stock of the situation and quickly came to the conclusion that the Tibetan cause is simply not worth the trouble. Rising Indian resentment towards the Tibetans would indicate that they have not done anything to enamour themselves with the Indians.

As the opportunity cost for supporting the Tibetan government increases, Lobsang Sangay needs to do better than words. What's in it for India or indeed anyone to continue to support the Tibetans? 
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Alex on November 20, 2018, 03:38:25 PM

He is such a hypocrite, Lobsang Sangay is bent on driving a wedge between China and India.



I think the Indians are not fooled. It may have been expedient for India to support, albeit subtly, the Tibetan struggle but that's not out of any genuine interest in the Tibetan cause. I doubt if there is any significant nation in the world today who will stand up to China because they truly believe that Tibetan governance is better for the Tibetan people.

The reality is, the Tibetan cause is 'all pain and no gain' to anyone who comes into contact with it. India went to war with China in the 60's over this and have strained her relationship with China for decades because of the Tibetan people. Finally, earlier this year India took stock of the situation and quickly came to the conclusion that the Tibetan cause is simply not worth the trouble. Rising Indian resentment towards the Tibetans would indicate that they have not done anything to enamour themselves with the Indians.

As the opportunity cost for supporting the Tibetan government increases, Lobsang Sangay needs to do better than words. What's in it for India or indeed anyone to continue to support the Tibetans?

Now that Lobsang Sangay had announced the Tibetan cause will go on for another 50 years, Indians will surely be not happy about it. He had just prescribed another 50 years of pain for the Indians. I wonder how the Indians will react when they know that Tibetans will continue to stay in their land for free, paying nothing, and look down on them at the same time.

In the whole wide world, only Tibetans will have the audacity to stay in other people's country for a century but still act as nothing happened and continue to look down on Indian. It is very true that the Tibetan cause is all pain no gain for everyone. It is like a black hole that drains everybody's energy and money and there is no outcome.

Indian's resentment is getting obvious now with the number of messages on social media talking about their displease with the general Tibetan population including their leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Soon, Indian might want Tibetans to leave their country especially now that they start to show cold shoulder towards the Tibetans as they building up a relationship with China.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Rowntree on November 23, 2018, 05:02:19 AM
Well, Lobsang Sangay still thinks that Tibet should be one of the core issues for India after 60 years! India owes Tibet nothing and have been very kind and giving. Yes, CTA decided to continue to take. After all, it is much easier to take, than to give!

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Tibet should be one of the core issues for India, says Lobsang Sangay, the head of Tibetan government in exile

Tibet should be one of the core issues for India as China is trying to “influence” all of its neighbours, Lobsang Sangay, the head of the Tibetan government in exile has said. China insists Tibet has been part of its territory for centuries, but many Tibetans say they were essentially independent for most of that time. The Dalai Lama fled to India in 1959 amid an abortive uprising against Chinese rule in his Himalayan homeland.

Sangay, who is currently here, has met a number of senior US administration officials, congressmen and senators and members of the think-tank community like the Hudson Institute. Explaining his quest for India making “Tibet a core issue”, Harvard educated Sangay said that after the occupation of Tibet, the People’s Liberation Army has now moved near the border of India.
“Now they are influencing all of India’s neighbours, from Pakistan, to Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal. It is a reality now,” he said in an interview to PTI.

India and Tibet have had historically, cultural and civilisational ties for hundreds of years, he said, adding Tibet is the source of water for India and South Asia. “For these reasons, Tibet is very important for not just India, for whole of South Asia and ASEAN countries too. Hence, Tibet should be one of the core issues for India,” Sangay said.

“China has already said Tibet is one of the core issues. So, India should also table Tibet as one of the core issues and address this issue with Tibetan people in mind,” he said. Responding to a question, Sangay said that the people of Tibet are following the middle way approach by seeking “genuine autonomy within the framework of the Chinese constitution”. “This is the reasonable moderate line,” he said.

For that there should be a dialogue between the envoys of the Dalai Lama and the Chinese Government, he said. He sought the revival of a dialogue that happened between 2002 to 2010. “We think, that kind of dialogue will lead to the resolution of the Tibetan issue,” he said.

https://www.financialexpress.com/world-news/tibet-should-be-one-of-the-core-issues-for-india-says-lobsang-sangay-the-head-of-tibetan-government-in-exile/1384094/ (https://www.financialexpress.com/world-news/tibet-should-be-one-of-the-core-issues-for-india-says-lobsang-sangay-the-head-of-tibetan-government-in-exile/1384094/)
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Alex on November 23, 2018, 03:34:14 PM
Well, Lobsang Sangay still thinks that Tibet should be one of the core issues for India after 60 years! India owes Tibet nothing and have been very kind and giving. Yes, CTA decided to continue to take. After all, it is much easier to take, than to give!


CTA is getting ridiculous by the year. How shameless can they be to keep on requesting for help while they themselves put little to no effort in getting their own country back? I doubt that they even put in any real effort in getting Tibet back. There is no dialogue or whatsoever between CTA and China. His Holiness the Dalai Lama had to send his own people over secretly to have a secret dialogue with China. Seems like CTA is not doing anything and His Holiness the Dalai Lama is forced to do something on his own.

After 60 years of taking from India, CTA still has the audacity to ask India to make Tibet as part of India's problem. They had given so much help to Tibetans. Free land, resources, exempted from tax and even travel documents. They are enjoying benefits which are impossible for refugees in other countries. Why does India need to give them more help than what they had already given to the Tibetans?

Mr Sangay really failed as the leader of CTA. He should have led the fight for Tibet's independence instead of throwing the problem to India. India does not have the obligation to take them in in the first place. It seems like Tibetan is causing problems wherever they go. Tibet cause is already a lost cause because of their own government.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Tracy on November 29, 2018, 09:08:11 PM
Well, Lobsang Sangay still thinks that Tibet should be one of the core issues for India after 60 years! India owes Tibet nothing and have been very kind and giving. Yes, CTA decided to continue to take. After all, it is much easier to take, than to give!


CTA is getting ridiculous by the year. How shameless can they be to keep on requesting for help while they themselves put little to no effort in getting their own country back? I doubt that they even put in any real effort in getting Tibet back. There is no dialogue or whatsoever between CTA and China. His Holiness the Dalai Lama had to send his own people over secretly to have a secret dialogue with China. Seems like CTA is not doing anything and His Holiness the Dalai Lama is forced to do something on his own.

After 60 years of taking from India, CTA still has the audacity to ask India to make Tibet as part of India's problem. They had given so much help to Tibetans. Free land, resources, exempted from tax and even travel documents. They are enjoying benefits which are impossible for refugees in other countries. Why does India need to give them more help than what they had already given to the Tibetans?

Mr Sangay really failed as the leader of CTA. He should have led the fight for Tibet's independence instead of throwing the problem to India. India does not have the obligation to take them in in the first place. It seems like Tibetan is causing problems wherever they go. Tibet cause is already a lost cause because of their own government.

Do you know because Tibetans have been a taker for the past 60 years, they don't even know it is not right or shameful to continue to take. Money comes too easy for them. They think everyone should support them because they are very pitiful and people should give Tibetans the money to fight for their country.

The Tibetans would not be able to appreciate or show gratitude because they always victimise themselves in order to get what they want. They don't think of the kindness that people have given to them. Otherwise, they will not keep asking for more or even cheat the sponsors money. Just Lobsang Sangay alone, he has pocketed at least a million US dollar for himself.

Lobsang Sangay doesn't really care if he has failed as a leader of the CTA. It is not his ambition to become a great leader or to make the free Tibet movement a success. All he wants is to make money for himself before the CTA is dissolved.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Alex on December 01, 2018, 03:43:29 AM
Well, Lobsang Sangay still thinks that Tibet should be one of the core issues for India after 60 years! India owes Tibet nothing and have been very kind and giving. Yes, CTA decided to continue to take. After all, it is much easier to take, than to give!


CTA is getting ridiculous by the year. How shameless can they be to keep on requesting for help while they themselves put little to no effort in getting their own country back? I doubt that they even put in any real effort in getting Tibet back. There is no dialogue or whatsoever between CTA and China. His Holiness the Dalai Lama had to send his own people over secretly to have a secret dialogue with China. Seems like CTA is not doing anything and His Holiness the Dalai Lama is forced to do something on his own.

After 60 years of taking from India, CTA still has the audacity to ask India to make Tibet as part of India's problem. They had given so much help to Tibetans. Free land, resources, exempted from tax and even travel documents. They are enjoying benefits which are impossible for refugees in other countries. Why does India need to give them more help than what they had already given to the Tibetans?

Mr Sangay really failed as the leader of CTA. He should have led the fight for Tibet's independence instead of throwing the problem to India. India does not have the obligation to take them in in the first place. It seems like Tibetan is causing problems wherever they go. Tibet cause is already a lost cause because of their own government.

Do you know because Tibetans have been a taker for the past 60 years, they don't even know it is not right or shameful to continue to take. Money comes too easy for them. They think everyone should support them because they are very pitiful and people should give Tibetans the money to fight for their country.

The Tibetans would not be able to appreciate or show gratitude because they always victimise themselves in order to get what they want. They don't think of the kindness that people have given to them. Otherwise, they will not keep asking for more or even cheat the sponsors money. Just Lobsang Sangay alone, he has pocketed at least a million US dollar for himself.

Lobsang Sangay doesn't really care if he has failed as a leader of the CTA. It is not his ambition to become a great leader or to make the free Tibet movement a success. All he wants is to make money for himself before the CTA is dissolved.

Everyone knows Tibetans are the biggest and longest freeloaders in the world. They are also by far the most shameless one as well. They took resources, money, energy and time from India for over 60 years and produce no results and showed no initiation to get back their own country. Until now, CTA still had not been able to score an official dialogue with China.

After so many years of failure, they still dare to announce to the world that Tibetan cause will be around for another 50 years. Can you believe it? Tibetans will be refugees for over 1 century. Who on earth will remain as a refugee for over 1 century? Most of the refugee that stayed this long will have already assimilated into the local culture and move on with their lives.

Tibetans fighting for their independence for 1 century is waste of time and money. They would have moved on with their lives and fight for a better future in another country. China will not let go of their grip on Tibet since they had invested so much in developing it. There is no use for Tibetans to keep fighting a cause that is already lost in the first place when CTA did not do a good job in perserving their own country.

Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Rowntree on December 01, 2018, 04:36:41 AM
CTA is further segregating the already very small Tibetans population by amending laws and banning nominations. The intention is very clear so that sleazy Sangay can remain in power to enjoy his holidays abroad. Apart from asking for India to help, he never ceased to 'amaze' people of his selfish agenda even a blind can see.

On Oct. 3, Sangay signed an amendment banning nominations for parliament members from nongovernment organizations or political groups and shortening elections to 100 days. “Not that we can fully address everything, but we are making sure that there are the least damages and more unity,” Sangay said.

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November 28, 2018

Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama leads a prayer at the Tsuglagkhang Temple in Dharamshala, India, on Sept. 3, 2018. Tibetans made ceremonial offerings and prayed for the longevity of their spiritual leader. (AP Photo/Ashwini Bhatia)

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DHARAMSHALA, India (RNS) — Tibetan Buddhist monks from around the world are gearing up to discuss whether the aging Dalai Lama should reincarnate — and, if he does, then how to prevent Beijing from claiming that Tibet’s next spiritual leader will reincarnate in China.

The monks had been scheduled to congregate in the Himalayas of northern India this week to deliberate on the issue at the 13th Religious Conference on Tibetan Buddhism beginning Thursday (Nov. 29), but the three-day meeting was called off after a high-ranking Tibetan monk, Kathok Getse Rinpoche, died on Nov. 19. Getse Rinpoche was the leader of the Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism.

New dates are yet to be announced for the conference in Dharamshala, where the 83-year-old Dalai Lama and his followers have lived in exile since 1959, but the monks are prepared to deliberate on the steps, interpreted from ancient Buddhist texts, to recognize the reincarnated body if their spiritual leader decides to continue the office after his death. Tibetan Buddhists believe that karma directs a person’s reincarnation, but those who have achieved enlightenment can direct their own path, choosing the body of their rebirth.

The 14th Dalai Lama has been the face of Tibet’s nonviolent struggle against China, which in the 1950s seized the region and killed tens of thousands of Tibetans who resisted the communist rule. Since 1959, the Indian government has provided land to the Dalai Lama and Tibetan refugees.

In a major departure from 369 years of tradition, the 14th Dalai Lama relinquished all political power in 2011 to the Central Tibetan Administration, a democratic institution with a parliament and president. The move came four years after China’s atheist government decreed that all reincarnations of living Buddhas have to be approved by Beijing given that Tibet is officially part of China. They designate the Dalai Lama and his followers as “terrorists” or separatists.

China created the Tibet Autonomous Region as part of an agreement between Tibetan representatives and Beijing, but Tibetans say they still have little autonomy. More than 150 Tibetans, mostly monks and nuns, have self-immolated since 2011 in response to alleged religious restrictions and interference inside Tibet.

In 2011, the Dalai Lama also said preparations to determine how his successor would be found wouldn’t happen until he reached 90, in 2025, when he would first consult with Tibetan Buddhist authorities about whether to even continue the Dalai Lama institution. But then last year, the Dalai Lama said the process would begin as soon as 2018. He has in recent years mentioned that perhaps he would not reincarnate.


Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, center, poses for a group photo with tourists at the Tsuglagkhang Temple in Dharamshala, India, on April 16, 2018. The Tibetan leader spoke to a group of Indian and foreign tourists on secular ethics and the importance of tolerance in the 21st century. (AP Photo/Ashwini Bhatia)

“There is no guarantee that some stupid Dalai Lama won’t come next, who will disgrace himself or herself,” the Dalai Lama told BBC in 2014. “That would be very sad. So, much better that a centuries-old tradition should cease at the time of a quite popular Dalai Lama.”

Speaking to media in Japan earlier this month, the Dalai Lama said that succession through nomination, instead of reincarnation, could be a way to continue his office. “I think sooner or later, we should start that kind of practice,” he was quoted as saying.

China will likely try to name its own Dalai Lama regardless, as Beijing asserts that the seat of Tibetan Buddhism should be inside Tibet. In the 1990s, the Dalai Lama recognized a 6-year-old boy as the Panchen Lama, the second-most-revered position in Tibetan Buddhism. Shortly thereafter, the boy and his family disappeared in Chinese custody and their whereabouts remain unknown. Then China declared a new Panchen Lama.

The continuation of the centuries-old tradition of reincarnation is crucial because the Dalai Lama is the only unifying figure for the Tibetans and their struggle for autonomy within the Chinese rule. Tibetans would prefer to end the office of the Dalai Lama rather than have a China-appointed spiritual leader.

“It’s difficult for us to imagine Tibet without him,” said Namdol Lhagyari, the youngest member of Tibet’s exile parliament. “But, you know, we also have to be realistic. We have to make sure all our energy goes toward the Central Tibetan Administration because this is the only institution that we have which is able to challenge the Chinese government.”

Many Tibetans insist the Dalai Lama will always remain.

“We have this belief that he will come back, you know,” said Lobsang Sangay, president of the CTA. “So we will never be without him, you see?”

From a mountainside temple in Dharamshala, through international forums (and even Twitter with nearly 19 million followers), the Dalai Lama teaches popular Buddhist values such as compassion, religious tolerance, finding joy and service to others.

Those values are the basis for the CTA, an administration without police or prisons to enforce its laws and with low salaries and few material benefits to discourage corruption. Sangay, an American citizen, was working in the U.S. as a lawyer before his election to the presidency, where he now receives just $350 a month, he said.

The CTA has been busy lately amending laws, apparently to prepare for an interim period, if not a post-Dalai Lama era, until he is identified. The exile government’s democracy stands apart from most: It’s a partyless democracy, designed to prevent fracturing the community. On Oct. 3, Sangay signed an amendment banning nominations for parliament members from nongovernment organizations or political groups and shortening elections to 100 days.


Lobsang Sangay, president of the Central Tibetan Administration, stands next to a portrait of the Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama during an event to mark the 58th anniversary of the formation of the first Tibetan parliament-in-exile in Dharamshala, India, on Sept. 2, 2018. (AP Photo/Ashwini Bhatia)

“Not that we can fully address everything, but we are making sure that there are the least damages and more unity,” Sangay said.
The CTA and the Dalai Lama’s official policy for Tibet since 2008 is the Middle Way Approach, seeking religious freedom and political autonomy within China rather than separate nationhood, although a minority of Tibetans in exile still openly advocate for independence.

So far, the movement for a free Tibet has remained nonviolent, although 152 Tibetans inside the region (and some outside) have self-immolated to draw attention to alleged ongoing brutal repression by Chinese authorities.

“When you burn yourself, this is a really violent death,” Sangay said. “You are capable of violence, you know. But you are not harming even a single Chinese person or property. You are in a town or village where there is the Chinese military officer who beat you up, who destroyed your forest, and he or she is right there in front of you, but you’re saying, ‘I’m protesting against your policy but not against you as a person.’”

This aspect of nonviolence has perhaps counterintuitively fueled the Tibetan freedom movement. The Dalai Lama teaches that everybody — even an evil person — has a Buddha nature, so no one should harm another person. Those seeking justice should harm the act and not the actor, he has said.

“No one else in the Tibetan community would be able to replace His Holiness,” Lhagyari said. “But we have to understand, in every freedom movement, you know, India never had another Gandhi, South Africa never had another Nelson Mandela, but the movement had new leaders. It’s important that we look out for another strong personality that could come out from the democratic movement.”

Tenzin Tibet Lekshay, deputy director at the think tank Tibet Policy Institute, also suggested that Tibetans should prepare for a possible post-Dalai Lama era, or the interim period, with wisdom and a sense of responsibility. Tibetans should keep in mind the history of the transitory periods that occurred over the past few hundred years, he said.

“In the absence of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, one of the viable alternatives to maintain stability within the Tibetan community is to develop a collective leadership,” he said.

https://religionnews.com/2018/11/28/buddhist-monks-to-consider-whether-dalai-lama-should-reincarnate/
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Drolma on December 06, 2018, 03:11:19 PM
When will Lobsang Sangay CTA stop taking from people and own up their own mistakes? 60 years of non performing resulting in the suffering of its people. Already incurring wrath of deities and other sponsoring countries already talking of stopping to support the disfunctional CTA. Seems inevitable that CTA will be doomed one day, not because of Dorje Shugden but it is because of their own making.

The CTA and Lobsang Sangay will never own up their mistakes because they don't think they are wrong. It is Dorje Shugden's fault that they fail in their free Tibet movement. The CTA always play the role of a victim, they paint the picture that China creates so much suffering to them.

They think the world should take pity on them and give them what they ask for. They have been doing this for the past 60 years, they will continue to do it without shame. When the CTA can get easy money by showing the West a few photos of people suffer, why do they want to work hard for the money?

It is very ridiculous to put the blame on a deity who doesn't even have a physical form. But yet there are still people who believe it. If Dorje Shugden is so powerful to make the cause fail, he must have the same power to make it a success. If The CTA is smart, they should make Dorje Shugden their friend so he can help to make the Tibet cause a success.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: PrajNa on December 06, 2018, 07:22:38 PM
Not only that, it seems that the latest news about Dharamsala is that Lobsang Sangay now doesn't get along with His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama. It is even reported in the news. 

Differences between Dalai Lama and CTA president put Tibetan politics in a tailspin

Tibetan politics is in a tailspin as there are signs of serious differences between the 14th Dalai Lama, unquestionably the supreme and undisputed leader of the Tibetans, and Lobsang Sangay, president of the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA).

The immediate provocation is the unceremonious cancellation of the 13th Religious Conference of the Schools of Tibetan Buddhism and Bon Tradition, which was scheduled between November 29 and December 1 year in Dharamshala. Insiders have revealed that the conference was cancelled by Lobsang without consulting the Dalai Lama.

Even more intriguing is the timing of the move. Knowledgeable sources in the Tibetan establishment in India disclosed that Lobsang made the move while the Dalai Lama was travelling back from Japan, knowing that he wouldn’t be able to do anything to stop it.

http://southasianmonitor.com/2018/11/27/differences-between-dalai-lama-and-cta-president-put-tibetan-politics-in-a-tailspin/ (http://southasianmonitor.com/2018/11/27/differences-between-dalai-lama-and-cta-president-put-tibetan-politics-in-a-tailspin/)
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: thaimonk on December 10, 2018, 06:38:23 AM
Tibetan leaders never produce any results. They hide behind being refugees when they are rich. They just want free money. Many sponsors of Tibetans are tired of them and realize this truth. I have many friends who told me so.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: fruven on December 10, 2018, 08:33:57 AM
This is so embarrassing. After 60 years instead of asking for help they should start helping others. Show that Tibetans have gratitude.

Unfortunately the leadership of Tibetan in exiled are addicted to money and can't let go the habit of asking money.  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Alex on December 29, 2018, 06:02:41 PM
How many years more the Tibetans intend to get help from others? It has been 60 years and they still end up in the same spot begging for donations and hopefully someone can drop out from the sky and save them from their failing Tibetan cause? It ain't going to happen. Recently, Lobsang Sangay even has the audacity to announce to the world that Tibetan Cause will be on-going for another 50 years.

Where are all the donations that the Tibetan government receive every year? The amount of those donations are millions in USD. With so much of assistance and help from people all over the world, they are still stagnant in the progress of getting back Tibet. They never actually did anything that really shows their effort and their will in getting back Tibet from China. All they do is just travel around the globe, trash talk China and then leave with money in their hands.

There were no attempts to initiate a dialogue with China seriously to kick-start the process of getting back Tibet. They just went on and collect donations from all over the world and I think they were quite happy with it. There are no real issues for the government to deal with since they do not have any land to be responsible with. They only need to take care of the 100,000 Tibetans in Exile which is decreasing every year. It is not that hard, they just want to get free money without doing anything in the end.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Drolma on January 02, 2019, 10:26:13 PM
More Tibetans should speak up and make Lobsang Sangay resigns. Lobsang Sangay has a high qualification but he has no capability. He is only an opportunist who abuses his position and power to achieve his personal agenda.

He has not contributed anything to the Tibetans but created a lot of disharmony within the community. He criminalised Dorje Shugden followers and published books and videos that are full of lies and distorted facts to segregate the Tibetans. He should know without unity, the Free Tibet movement will not progress. Why does he continue to do that? It seems like he doesn't really want to free Tibet.

Not only he doesn't want to free Tibet, but he is also creating problems for China and India. He allows Tibetan to protest against China in India and causes tension between the two. He continues to condemn China. So what is his goal as the leader of the Tibetans? It seems like he is just a troublemaker for everyone.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Alex on January 05, 2019, 03:45:33 PM
More Tibetans should speak up and make Lobsang Sangay resigns. Lobsang Sangay has a high qualification but he has no capability. He is only an opportunist who abuses his position and power to achieve his personal agenda.

He has not contributed anything to the Tibetans but created a lot of disharmony within the community. He criminalised Dorje Shugden followers and published books and videos that are full of lies and distorted facts to segregate the Tibetans. He should know without unity, the Free Tibet movement will not progress. Why does he continue to do that? It seems like he doesn't really want to free Tibet.

Not only he doesn't want to free Tibet, but he is also creating problems for China and India. He allows Tibetan to protest against China in India and causes tension between the two. He continues to condemn China. So what is his goal as the leader of the Tibetans? It seems like he is just a troublemaker for everyone.

I wish Lobsang Sangay will just shut up and go hide at this house in Boston and never speak up ever again. Nothing beneficial ever comes out from his mouth. I do not understand why Tibetans still support this useless leader. How can they not see what kind of game Lobsang Sangay is playing with the Tibetans in Exile?

After so many years as the president of the Tibetan leadership, what did he achieve? The only thing I can think of is that he manages to pay off the mortgage of his Boston property. Everyone knows where he got the money from and it's not a secret anymore. During his years of serving as the leader of the Tibetan government, there is absolutely no progress in the Tibetan Cause.

What is he doing flying all over the world giving speeches? All of the money that he spent does not have any result and he still dares to ask more for donations. Why are Tibetans willing to let the CTA exploit them and stay quiet? Why is His Holiness the Dalai Lama is keep quiet with all the nasty things that CTA did?
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Drolma on January 08, 2019, 05:05:43 PM
Lobsang Sangay is the most useless leader in the world. He may have a very impressive qualification but he really cannot deliver anything to the Tibetans. The free Tibet movement is still not showing any progress, the future of the Tibetans in exile is still not promising.

Lobsang Sangay has a very bad reputation. He siphoned money; he is a womaniser; he even sexually assaulted a few women. He uses his power to give favour to people he likes, for example, Dhardon Sharling. He runs the CTA as if it is his personal business.

Lobsang Sangay is using his position to try to make money for himself. He has access to a very wide network which he could use in future when he decides to leave the CTA. He is not here to serve the Tibetans, he is here to serve his own interest. The Tibetans have made a very wrong decision to let him serve his second term as the Sikyong.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Tracy on January 12, 2019, 02:48:51 AM
Lobsang Sangay is useless, that is for sure. There should be more Lukar Jam Atsok in the Tibetan community. So far, he is the only person who is making more sense. He went against Lobsang Sangay not because he could not get what he wants but because Lobsang Sangay is really abusing his power and incapable to bring the Tibetans a better future.

For the past 60 years, the Tibetans have been exploited by their own government. The CTA is using their refugee status to ask for free money from the west. It is such easy money, therefore the CTA has to make sure the Tibetans continue to remain as refugees. It is impossible that a cause can be run for so long and yet there is no result. Bear in mind, the CTA has also received a lot of financial aid for their cause.

People like Jam Lukar Atsok really wants to bring benefit to the Tibetans. He sees that the CTA has not achieved much and he would like to make a change. Unfortunately, he doesn't have a lot of support. I guess it is also because most of the Tibetans are also very happy to remain as refugees because they don't believe they can change their lives for the better.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Alex on March 22, 2019, 03:14:59 PM
It has been 60 years since the Tibetans fled Tibet and took refuge in India. India is so kind as to have opened their doors to them and hosted them. India went all the way by providing lands for them to develop their own community and even allow their government to operate on their grounds. This is totally unheard of in the world where a country will allow another government to set up and operate on their land.

However, the Tibetans are taking their own sweet time to resolve their situation and get out of India as soon as possible to avoid being a burden to them. Lobsang Sangay even announced to the world that Tibet cause will need another 50 years. This means that Tibetans will stay in India for a total of 110 years which is over a century!

Who in the world will be willing to host refugees in their country for over a century? India is not obligated to do anything for the Tibetans and they certainly do not appreciate the help that they are getting. They have so much of donations and support from all over the world but they failed to make any changes to their situation. This shows that the Tibetan government are comfortable with their current situation and they do not wish to get out of it.

Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: michaela on March 25, 2019, 03:07:56 AM
One should ask as to why the Tibetans in exile would tolerate incapable leader like Lobsang Sangay who just go from one country to another to collect cheques that do not benefits Tibetan refugees in general.

Just to be frank, if after escaping from your country for 60 years you still need donation, it means that the government is a failure and does not provide enough opportunities for advancement. 
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Tracy on March 25, 2019, 03:14:35 AM
Lobsang Sangay is so useless that he has to always ask people to help him. He asks free money from the sponsors so that he is still paid monthly. He expects India to let them stay in India because they are still poor refugees after 60 years. CTA's failure is not their own fault but it is Dorje Shugden and China's fault. They are always the victim. The fact is, Lobsang Sangay is not sincere in fighting for a free Tibet. He just wants to get some financial benefit from being the leader of the Tibetans.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Rowntree on March 25, 2019, 03:25:21 AM
Some of the stunt Lobsang Sangay do to further embarrassed himself in addition to all the bad things he has done and continue to do. In the article below, Sangay is found saying Tibetans should not be attached to the CTA website etc. as a practice because their online and other presence it seems is conking out.

Let me remind everyone that they were the ones who created the karma to be attacked by viciously reporting falsehoods particularly with regards to Dorje Shugden.

Please read and get ready to be entertained!

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Buddha’s teaching of ‘no attachment’ remains a good way to counter phishing: CTA President

Phayul - March 21, 2019 19:38

By Tenzin Sangmo

CTA President responding to questions on cybersecurity

DHARAMSHALA, March 21: The ongoing 7th session of the 16th Parliament-in-exile today saw the President of the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) Dr Lobsang Sangay referencing to Buddha’s teaching as a useful practice to counter phishing and cyber-attacks targeting the exile setting.

Dorjee Tseten, a member of parliament from Dotoe province raised the question on what measures were taken to mitigate the impact of cyber-attacks like the pro-China threat actors phishing attack that happened early this year that used a CTA mailing list.

Calling it a worldwide reality and something CTA has been facing for years now, Sangay revealed that during the 60th Tibetan National Uprising Day Ceremony proceeding held recently, the official live broadcast suffered malfunction with subtitles emerging automatically on the screen and disruption to the live broadcast during Sikyong’s speech that remained omitted from the broadcast. 

The DIIR technical team had to switch off the transmission and use a different set of equipment to continue.

Sangay also said that tibet.net, the official website of the administration in exile continues to face attacks making it difficult for governments around the world to visit the website from their office computer systems.

“The staff of Radio Free Asia (RFA) and Voice of America (VOA) claimed to be unable to view the website from their respective office computers although they could view on their mobile phones,” he said of his experience during one of his visits to Washington.

The CTA also faced an issue with the live transmission on the first day of the ongoing parliamentary session and foresee similar obstructions during election time.

To better prepare for such attacks, an expert cyber security team with members from the Netherlands, Germany and Italy was invited for a 2-day workshop for the concerned staff a few weeks ago.

CTA continues to impart tips and workshops by experts from its Tibetan Computer Resource Center (TCRC), the technical wing of the Department of Information and International Relations (DIIR).

Lhagyari Namgyal Dolkar, a member of parliament from U-Tsang province urged the president who is also the head of DIIR to not let it pass as a common phenomenon but to actively counter it as it is impacting the daily work of the whole exile workforce. She proposed having the staff of Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs) included in such workshops teaching good practices in cybersecurity.

Sangay responded by saying the administration will tackle the problem even it would mean hiring experts from abroad or from India to improve cybersecurity know-how and agreed that the threat cannot be differentiated between CTA and NGOs as the interexchange of emails expose everyone to the same vulnerability.

“We will invite representatives of NGOs or attend workshops organized by NGOs,” said Sangay, projecting a united front to tackle the cybersecurity threat.

[url]http://www.phayul.com/mobile/?page=view&c=1&id=41281[/url] ([url]http://www.phayul.com/mobile/?page=view&c=1&id=41281[/url])
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Rowntree on March 25, 2019, 03:35:35 AM
Since Lobsang Sangay refused to do anything and continue to let the Tibetans in exile to sufffer, they have finally woken up from the delusion of relying the CTA to return to Tibet. Many Tibetans in exile now leave India and have decided to move on. After all, you don't really need 60 years to realise the uselessness of the CTA and the Dalai Lama cannot do anything all by himself.

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After 60 years in India, why are Tibetans leaving?

Tibetans sought refuge in India from the Chinese invasion 60 years ago, but face economic uncertainty and mistreatment.

by Kunal Purohit

20 Mar 2019 GMT+3

Mumbai, India - For many years, 34-year-old Kunsang Tenzing has been thinking about leaving India. 

His family did years ago. Most of his closest friends have also moved. 

Over the last seven years, the Tibetan refugee community in India has dropped by 44 percent, from around 150,000 in 2011 to 85,000, according to Indian government data. 

Tibetan authorities say most are going to countries such as the United States, Canada, Germany and Switzerland. 

Some are returning to Tibet.

Across 40 countries, the Tibetan diaspora stands at 150,000, Tibetan authorities say.

This month, the community celebrates 60 years in India after the Chinese invasion of Tibet in March, 1959.

If the emigration continues, what will remain of the community in India, the country where its spiritual leader the Dalai Lama sought refuge and made his home?

"It is very difficult to make money here. There are barely any jobs here," Tenzing says.

Tibetans are not officially recognised as refugees in India. Instead, on paper, they are designated as "foreigners". 

India has refused to sign the 1951 United Nations convention on refugees. 

"As a result, Tibetans are not allowed government jobs. Sometimes, even universities don't admit Tibetan students," says Sonam Norbu Dagpo, the spokesman for the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), the Tibetan government-in-exile, which is based in Dharamshala, India. 

Dakpo says the number of incoming Tibetans fleeing Chinese rule has plummeted, from around 3,000 annually to about 100 last year.

Economic concerns are central; many Tibetans say that buying property and accessing bank credit are difficult, leaving them with few options. 

In addition, India's dithering over its support to the Tibetan cause makes people nervous.

Last year, the government issued a directive prohibiting bureaucrats and leaders from attending events organised by the CTA marking 60 years in India. 

The directive came on the eve of an informal summit between Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping. 

An embarrassed CTA was forced to cancel eventsfeaturing the Dalai Lama and hold them outside New Delhi.

It isn't easy to go anywhere, being a refugee. No country wants us.

In the streets of McLeod Ganj, a small hill town in northern India which is the de-facto capital of the Tibetan community and the home of the Dalai Lama, almost everyone has a story of painful separation.

Yangzom Tsering, 29, was smuggled to India from Tibet by her relatives soon after her birth. Both her parents passed away soon after.

Tsering has always yearned to go back to Tibet to see her siblings who still live there. 

"My brother kept telling me that I should come back home. I checked out all the options but it [going back to Tibet] was very difficult." 

Last year, his brother passed away.

Guilt-ridden, he now feels the need to take more responsibility for his family and plans to migrate to Canada. 

"But it isn't easy to go anywhere, being a refugee. No country wants us."

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/60-years-india-tibetans-leaving-190319231424509.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/60-years-india-tibetans-leaving-190319231424509.html)
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: dsnowlion on March 25, 2019, 04:36:17 AM
Since Lobsang Sangay refused to do anything and continue to let the Tibetans in exile to sufffer, they have finally woken up from the delusion of relying the CTA to return to Tibet. Many Tibetans in exile now leave India and have decided to move on. After all, you don't really need 60 years to figure that your leadership who listened to a "spirit" Nechung failed!
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Tracy on April 19, 2019, 02:19:15 PM
Since Lobsang Sangay refused to do anything and continue to let the Tibetans in exile to sufffer, they have finally woken up from the delusion of relying the CTA to return to Tibet. Many Tibetans in exile now leave India and have decided to move on. After all, you don't really need 60 years to figure that your leadership who listened to a "spirit" Nechung failed!

The Tibetans waited for 60 years not because they believe in the CTA but because of the Dalai Lama. They are devoted followers of the Dalai Lama and they took the risk to escape Tibet so that they can be close to him.  Now that the Dalai Lama is old and they don't see how it will be possible for them to go back to Tibet once the Dalai Lama enters into clear light.

Instead of waiting for the CTA to do something for them, the Tibetans decide to make a plan for themselves and move on. They may not have lost their faith in the Dalai Lama but most of them have lost their faith in the CTA. What have the CTA done for the Tibetans in the last 60 years? Nothing. They did not free Tibet, they did not establish a good relationship with China, they do not have a plan for the Tibetans.

I feel sorry for the Tibetans, they are the luckiest refugees in the world. With so much support and help from people all around the world, the CTA could have done more to protect the Tibetans, to preserve their culture and religion but they are only focusing on benefitting themselves and neglect the welfare of the Tibetans. 60 years is enough for someone to wait for something good to happen. If nothing good has happened, it is time to move on.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Tenzin K on April 20, 2019, 01:15:59 AM
Lobsang Sangay is trying all his best to create the spark between China and India. India is Sangya only hope now and if they buy in that going to give Sangya some hope to take ore advantage and may be some fund. But looking at the situation now, no one dare to go against China and in fact a lot of country leader would rather be friend with China than Tibet. No way India will go against China and we will see how India changes their way treating the Tibetan.

Sangay should actually start to be friend China as this is the only way to benefit them as we can see most country already close their door for Dalai Lama. It’s been a long 60 years and how long more CTA want to fight for it? The world is also questioning that why Tibet at one hand crying for freedom from China but on the other hand they imposed ban on Shugden practice to their own people and blame the protector practice for effecting their cause. How long more CTA want to play this foolish game as the world is really eyeing on them.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Alex on April 20, 2019, 05:10:22 PM
Lobsang Sangay is trying all his best to create the spark between China and India. India is Sangya only hope now and if they buy in that going to give Sangya some hope to take ore advantage and may be some fund. But looking at the situation now, no one dare to go against China and in fact a lot of country leader would rather be friend with China than Tibet. No way India will go against China and we will see how India changes their way treating the Tibetan.

Sangay should actually start to be friend China as this is the only way to benefit them as we can see most country already close their door for Dalai Lama. It’s been a long 60 years and how long more CTA want to fight for it? The world is also questioning that why Tibet at one hand crying for freedom from China but on the other hand they imposed ban on Shugden practice to their own people and blame the protector practice for effecting their cause. How long more CTA want to play this foolish game as the world is really eyeing on them.

China's door has already closed when they release their latest white paper on Tibet with a significant shift from the last version. They no longer include the willingness to engage with His Holiness the Dalai Lama. It means China is now no longer interested or feel compelled to engage in His Holiness in any matter relating to Tibet.

It has been 60 years since China invaded Tibet and they have been investing tons of funds into Tibet ranging from secular to religious matter. They are working their best to preserve Tibet's rich culture develop that country. Since then, many infrastructures have been built such as highways and airports. On top of that, China did not neglect the people as well. Self-help workshops are held for free to educate the public and give them the skill to increase their chances of surviving independently in society.

Contrary to what the Tibetan government has been telling everyone, Tibet is getting prosperous now. The poverty rate now in Tibet is around 7%, and soon it will be 0% in a few years, promised by the Chinese government. It is better than the time when the Tibetan government in charge and the serfdom system in place.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Drolma on April 23, 2019, 04:08:36 PM
I wonder why Tibetans can put up with Lobsang Sangay for this long. Is it because there is no one else who is more capable than Lobsang Sangay or Tibetans have just given up on CTA and so it doesn't matter to them who runs the government? Perhaps the Tibetans have accepted the fact that the CTA is incapable and it is better for them to move on.

If Lobsang Sangay is capable, he would not have asked India to continue to help him. Instead of asking India to help and waiting to be led by India, Lobsang Sangay should give a good proposal to India on what he can do to help India to build a better relationship with China and how is he going to bring Tibetans back to Tibet. At this stage, Lobsang Sangay is still arrogant and refuse to admit their failure.

The CTA is a pathetic leadership. They did not make the life of the Tibetans in India any better and they failed to maintain a good relationship with India who has hosted them for 60 years. Instead of giving back, they keep asking for more!
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Tenzin K on April 28, 2019, 10:16:42 AM
What a shame for CTA after 60 years still unable to self-sustain. CTA would rather use the funding for printing anti-shugden materials. What’s the point? Why don’t CTA use the funding to improve the welfare of the Tibetans and at the same time work hard to befriend China. Stop all work that will irritate China.

At the meantime, promote China and let world see that how far CTA left behind and just sit and wait. CTA should take this opportunity to unite all the Tibetan regardless of whether they are Shugden practitioners. 
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Alex on April 28, 2019, 10:34:57 AM
I wonder why Tibetans can put up with Lobsang Sangay for this long. Is it because there is no one else who is more capable than Lobsang Sangay or Tibetans have just given up on CTA and so it doesn't matter to them who runs the government? Perhaps the Tibetans have accepted the fact that the CTA is incapable and it is better for them to move on.

If Lobsang Sangay is capable, he would not have asked India to continue to help him. Instead of asking India to help and waiting to be led by India, Lobsang Sangay should give a good proposal to India on what he can do to help India to build a better relationship with China and how is he going to bring Tibetans back to Tibet. At this stage, Lobsang Sangay is still arrogant and refuse to admit their failure.

The CTA is a pathetic leadership. They did not make the life of the Tibetans in India any better, and they failed to maintain a good relationship with India who has hosted them for 60 years. Instead of giving back, they keep asking for more!

It is evident that the Tibetans in exile lost hope in their government. They have suffered their bad leadership for 60 years in India, and all of them would have lost their dream of getting back to Tibet with their government a long time ago. They all know that they will not be returning to a free Tibet anytime soon.

In the past 60 years, there were plenty of opportunities for CTA to get back Tibet's independence from China. However, they are too busy fighting petty internal conflicts and focusing on their own needs. Hence, 60 years have passed, and China had grown to be one of the most powerful countries in the world, and they had invested a lot into Tibet. They will never let Tibet go or give it back to the Tibetans.

What the Tibetans in exile can do for now is to return to Tibet which is under the Chinese government. Recently, the Chinese government had opened their arms to those Tibetans in exile that wants to go back to Tibet. It is a great opportunity, and they should make a move before China changes her mind. Going back to Tibet is a way better option compared to stay in India under the governance of a failed government.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Tenzin K on May 04, 2019, 11:49:04 AM
Lobsang Sangay will continue to ask for help even for the next 60 years.
Why? CTA is here to take and not to give.... not to give to the Tibetan for their welfare, future and development for their next generation. Up to now what actually Lobsang Sangay had achieve in benefiting Tibetan in India?

How long more Lobsang Sangay want to take the advantage from the sponsors and Tibetans? after 60 years long, why no one dare to ask Lobsang Sangay why after 60 years Tibetan is still in India and instead of good news we keep seeing news about scandal after scandals. How long more to wait?

What Lobsang Sangay really need to do is make friend with China and don't irritate them.This is very important!
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Drolma on June 21, 2019, 08:09:51 PM
Lobsang Sangay and the rest of the members of CTA are not interested to work for the Tibetans. They don't want to work hard, they love taking free money from the sponsors. To them, the Tibet issue is not something bad to them. They see it as an opportunity to get easy money for themselves.

For the past 60 years, they have been living a life of a beggar. They collect many cases of how people are sufferings or taking things out of context to show how they are victimised so they can get financial aids from people. This has actually become their culture.

Therefore, it is very natural for Lobsang Sangay to ask India for help. They think people have the obligation to help them because they are victims. But they are the luckiest refugees in the world. If you compared their lives, they things they own, you will see how they are pampered and how they have become lazier and ungrateful.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Tenzin K on June 21, 2019, 11:25:49 PM
This type of aid at one point will end. How long do you think you can keep on with the cause? Look what China has done on Tibet after taking over. Has Tibetan in China been torture? has Tibetan welfare not been taken care? Are the Tibetan in hunger? NO.

China put in the effort and resource to make Tibet a tourist place and this directly gives Tibetan more opportunity in term of financial. A lot of monastery and buildings been refurbished to preserve the culture and tradition of Tibetan. It may seem to look like for China tourism interest but it still brings benefit to the Tibetan in term of preservation. Tibetan in China has a lot more to gain here.

But what has Lobsang Sangay does for the Tibetan in India? what opportunity has he developed for the people there? What benefit has he brought for the Tibetan in India? Up to now after 60 years Tibetan still have to depend on donation and sponsorship. Don't you think this so insecure and understand that the sponsorship are a huge amount but why the Tibetan welfare have not improved?

The future for the Tibetan in India really in the dark with CTA.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay- still asking help from India after 60 years of help given!
Post by: Alex on June 22, 2019, 05:02:48 PM
This type of aid at one point will end. How long do you think you can keep on with the cause? Look what China has done on Tibet after taking over. Has Tibetan in China been torture? has Tibetan welfare not been taken care? Are the Tibetan in hunger? NO.

China put in the effort and resource to make Tibet a tourist place and this directly gives Tibetan more opportunity in term of financial. A lot of monastery and buildings been refurbished to preserve the culture and tradition of Tibetan. It may seem to look like for China tourism interest but it still brings benefit to the Tibetan in term of preservation. Tibetan in China has a lot more to gain here.

But what has Lobsang Sangay does for the Tibetan in India? what opportunity has he developed for the people there? What benefit has he brought for the Tibetan in India? Up to now after 60 years Tibetan still have to depend on donation and sponsorship. Don't you think this so insecure and understand that the sponsorship are a huge amount but why the Tibetan welfare have not improved?

The future for the Tibetan in India really in the dark with CTA.

The world can see what China had done for Tibet and how the old Tibet was when compared to the Tibet now. It is clear to everyone that China invested so much into Tibet to develop it into what it is today. Without the investment from China, it is impossible for Tibet to develop so much in such a short amount of time.

Tibetans clearly did not have the ability to do the same and hence they are quite jealous of China's achievements in Tibet. That is why CTA keep talking bad about China and tell lies of how China is abusing the Tibetans in Tibet to garner support on their side. They know clearly the human rights situation is the current main topic for a fellow YouTuber who has quite a lot of views on his channel.

That is why Tibetans keep getting support on countries who fight for human rights and also countries that do not like China. Since then, China has progressed to be one of the strongest countries in the world and no one dares to criticize them anymore. That is why the donation that the CTA gets is much lesser compared to last time. Soon, when all the countries in the world decided to follow China, CTA will lose their support and donations completely it will be a tragic fall for the CTA.