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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mana on April 29, 2011, 10:24:18 PM
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This book would be applicable at this time. The truth written by Lama Zopa's own student. Forwarded by Dalai Lama.
http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=20
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I've always found this bizarre - that Lama Zopa was recognised by Shugden, which is stated in this biography and HH the 14th Dalai Lama endorses this book in a foreword. Perhaps the Dalai Lama did not read the book thoroughly and was not aware of its content although I am sure that he would be aware of who officially recognised Lama Zopa and he would have gotten one of his aides to check if this recognition was referred to in the book - which it is!
If Dorje Shugden is a spirit as the Dalai Lama says, then Lama Zopa was recognised by a spirit? That doesn't make sense.
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I've always found this bizarre - that Lama Zopa was recognised by Shugden, which is stated in this biography and HH the 14th Dalai Lama endorses this book in a foreword. Perhaps the Dalai Lama did not read the book thoroughly and was not aware of its content although I am sure that he would be aware of who officially recognised Lama Zopa and he would have gotten one of his aides to check if this recognition was referred to in the book - which it is!
If Dorje Shugden is a spirit as the Dalai Lama says, then Lama Zopa was recognised by a spirit? That doesn't make sense.
Shugden recognized Lama Zopa. The current head of FPMT was recognized as at Tulku and accorded the respects because of Shugden's pronouncements.
If Shugden is wrong, then why did they consult him for Lama Zopa in the first place. Obviously the high respect accorded to Shugden is obvious. Remember this all happened in Domo Geshe Rinpoche's monastery in Tibet. We all know the level of respect Domo Geshe was held in. Shugden was one of the principal protectors of Domo Geshe and his institutions. No one doubted the compassion, saintliness and attainments of Domo Geshe Rinpoche. If Domo Geshe held Shugden so highly, it says very much for Shugden himself.
TK
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Dalai Lama also recognised Domo Geshe Rinpoche as an incarnation of Tsongkapa.
When His Holiness the Thirteenth Dalai Lama returned from India in 1912, he stopped in Tromo. A meeting took place between His Holiness and Domo Geshe Rinpoche at Kangyur Lhakang in Galingkang. It is said that His Holiness mentioned to his attendants that he expected a very special visitor one afternoon. Domo Geshe Rinpoche, who always looked like a simple monk, had prepared special delicacies to offer to His Holiness. He spent a long time in private talks with him that afternoon. In the evening, His Holiness asked his attendants if they had seen the very special person who had visited him in the afternoon. Surprised, they said they had only seen a simple monk in dirty, tattered robes. His Holiness replied, “That is too bad. I saw Je Tsongkhapa himself.”
So if Dalai Lama recognises Domo Geshe Rinpoche and Domo Geshe Rinpoche recognises Dorje Shugden, that would logically mean that Dalai Lama recognises Dorje Shugden......doesn't it?
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So if Dalai Lama recognises Domo Geshe Rinpoche and Domo Geshe Rinpoche recognises Dorje Shugden, that would logically mean that Dalai Lama recognises Dorje Shugden......doesn't it?
That sounds logical. But when your dealing with the Tibetan govt nothing much is logical-eg the 3 Karmapas, 2 Panchens, Chushi Gangdruk, Serpom, Shar Gaden, Gyume Kensur, Denma Locho Rinpoche, Shugden ban, failed autonomy and the list will go on.
thaimonk
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Domo Geshe is such an amazing lama. This is his bio.
http://dorjeshugden.com/articles/KyabjeDomoGesheRinpoche.pdf
Domo Geshe is such a legend among the people and among monastics and he was the one installed Namkar Barzin in to the Dorje Shugden mandala. Wow how many lamas can have that kind of resume, not to say the lamas need to really highlight such accomplishments! He is such a hero among all Buddhists!
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Domo Geshe is such an amazing lama. This is his bio.
[url]http://dorjeshugden.com/articles/KyabjeDomoGesheRinpoche.pdf[/url]
Domo Geshe is such a legend among the people and among monastics and he was the one installed Namkar Barzin in to the Dorje Shugden mandala. Wow how many lamas can have that kind of resume, not to say the lamas need to really highlight such accomplishments! He is such a hero among all Buddhists!
I agree. You have to have high attainments to command a powerful being into another great being's mandala. Shugden has great compassion for sure, but it does not mean Shugden cannot recognize the great wisdom of Domo Geshe therefore accepting Namka Barzin into his mandala. Domo Geshe and Shugden interacting is like a play of great illusions. Fantastic!
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It would be wise for FPMT to quickly consult Dorje Shugden for Lama Zopa's illness. Lama Zopa has a strong connection to Shugden as did Lama Yeshe and all his lineage gurus. In order to look politically correct, FMPT should not sacrifice Lama Zopa's life and works any further.
Reconnect to your roots would be a wise move and repair samaya before it's too late. When the samaya is repaired, then the merits will be there for healing. Repairing samaya with Shugden is important. Shugden does not and cannnot punish, but our sworn words of honour has positive effects when kept and negative effects when broken. When a monk keeps his vows clean, he collects merit, when he breaks them, he collects demerit. This is not Shakyamuni punishing them but the results of negative karma arising from our own words of honour (samaya). Words of honour are the roots of all well being and attainments according to Tantra and Graded Path of Tantra (Ngarim Chenmo) by Tsongkapa.
It would be nice to see Lama Zopa well and active again.
Mana
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It would be wise for FPMT to quickly consult Dorje Shugden for Lama Zopa's illness. Lama Zopa has a strong connection to Shugden as did Lama Yeshe and all his lineage gurus. In order to look politically correct, FMPT should not sacrifice Lama Zopa's life and works any further.
I dont think FPMT actually cares about Lama Zopa at all, after what Lama Zopa has done for them. they prefer to appear politically correct as opposed to keeping their samaya and looking after their Guru's interest. If they cared, they would have focused more on following his advice and teachings rather than being focused on the ban and also trying to be the authoritative Buddhist institution in the countries hey have set foot in. Anyways, perhaps for them, who cares about lineage Gurus when you have the Dalai Lama?
Reconnect to your roots would be a wise move and repair samaya before it's too late. When the samaya is repaired, then the merits will be there for healing. Repairing samaya with Shugden is important. Shugden does not and cannnot punish, but our sworn words of honour has positive effects when kept and negative effects when broken. When a monk keeps his vows clean, he collects merit, when he breaks them, he collects demerit. This is not Shakyamuni punishing them but the results of negative karma arising from our own words of honour (samaya). Words of honour are the roots of all well being and attainments according to Tantra and Graded Path of Tantra (Ngarim Chenmo) by Tsongkapa.
Sadly, at this point of time, the only roots that the FPMT people have is with the Dalai Lama. They have discarded their lineage completely. Their broken samaya is so overwhelming that they do not even see the manifestation of Lama Zopa's stroke as a result of broken samaya. Most people dont even care. Proof? how many of his students visited him in the hospital? How many people organized and publicized mass prayer sessions? NONE. What does this tell you about how much they love their Guru? Or if they ever saw Lama Zopa as their Guru at all? Whatever negativities they will soon be experiencing will be the result of their broken promises and connections to their teacher....
It would be nice to see Lama Zopa well and active again.
I really wish that too, but the chances of that happening is only if Lama Zopa broke away from FPMT and set up a new way of teaching students that is no longer accessible to the FPMT students..much like the way Lama Osel manifested.
Mana
I do agree with your post but sadly FPMT people do not see it that way. They did not do much about Lama Zopa's stroke, neither did they show concern aside from a few cheap prayers. I'm sorry, but for such a huge organization..they cant even afford to offer statues? What about retreats? Everyone just went about their own business. If they did something, surely they would have publicized it. The fact that they did not shows us how much they love Lama Zopa.
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Although I agree, a Dorje Shugden pujas would have done much to destroy obstacles to Lama Zopa's health, it is not exactly correct to say that only a few 'cheap prayers' were conducted on his behalf.
http://www.fpmt.org/teachers/zopa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=765:ongoing-list-of-all-the-pujas-done&catid=126&Itemid=1799 (http://www.fpmt.org/teachers/zopa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=765:ongoing-list-of-all-the-pujas-done&catid=126&Itemid=1799)
Upon hearing the news of Lama Zopa Rinpoche’s manifestation of a stroke in April 2011, many high lamas close to Rinpoche and hundreds of students from around the world began organizing pujas, reciting prayers and mantras, and making commitments for practices dedicated to Rinpoche’s good health and long life. The following is a list of some of the prayers, practices and pujas, and is an inspiring collective effort truly worth rejoicing in.
His Holiness the Dalai Lama's Private Office sent a message to Sera Je requesting
Extensive Hayagriva Tsog Kong for 2 days - all the monks of Sera Je
4 Mandala offering to Tara – all the monks of Sera Je
Recite 3 long life deity mantra – all the monks of Sera Je
Medicine Buddha mantra – all the monks of Sera Je
Extensive Hayagriva Tsog puja for one day by the special Hayagriva committee
Geshe Sopa Rinpoche
Offered 2 xMedicine Buddha puja
1 x Tara 4 Mandala Offerings Puja
Choden Rinpoche
Extensive Hayagriva Tsog with Geshe Ngawang Drakpa and all the students in the Bay area
Extensive Hayagriva puja by the Hayagriva committee at Sera Je Monastery x 7
Students to recite praise and mantra of Most Secret Hayagriva
Khadro la Namsel Dolma
Sera Je monks Tara puja and Extensive Hayagriva puja
Khadro la herself did many Tara pujas, Tsog offering, Tea offering, Incense offerings, water purification (dorje Namjom)
Extensive animal liberations and to count the numbers and to offer them to Rinpoche and request Rinpoche to live long.
For students to do Tara Puja, Tara mantra and Tara praises with extensive offerings
Medicine Buddha puja and practice
Khadro la Chhochen
To recite 100,000 x Vajra Armor mantra - this was done by students at Atisha Center, Australia
To recite Phurba Setop
Dagri Rinpoche
Students to do Long Life sutra –as much as possible
Oser Rinpoche
1,000 Offerings to Namgyalma
1,000 offerings to Medicine Buddha
King of Prayers betraying the death puja
His Holiness Serkong Tsenshab Rinpoche
Medicine Buddha
Lama Chopa
16 Arhant Puja
Sera Je Abbott requested the Sera Je monastery to do
Heart Sutra puja and White Umbrella – by all the monks
Extensive Hayagriva puja – by all the monks
Medicine Buddha Puja – by all the monks
Tara Puja – by all the monks
2 days Hayagriva extensive puja by the special Hayagriva monks
Sera Mey Monastery offered
Medicine Buddha puja
Bati Khangtsen offered
Namgyalma Tsechok (long life puja)
4 Mandala Tara puja and Tara mantra
Osel Labrang
100 x Drukchuma by Gyurme Monastery - many times
Sera Me, Tsawa Khangtsen
Many Medicine Buddha pujas
Kopan Monastery and Nunnery, Nepal
Extensive Medicine Buddha Pujas - many
16 Arhant Pujas
21 Tara praises 100,000 x
Dukkar (White Umbrella ) x 2
Namgyal Tonchoe (offered by Kopan)
Hayagriva mantra (offered by Hong Kong center)
Medicine Buddha Puja and Tara puja 3 times (offered by Hongkong Center)
Drukchuma 1000 times (offered by Kopan)
Reading of Sungdu 2 times( offered by Kopan)
1000 offering Medicine Buddha puja (offering by FPMT students)
Namgyal Tonchoe, Sangcho Chilu (offered by Klaus Liu, Taiwan)
Kangyur Recitation and recitation of Golden Light sutra (offered by FPMT IOF and FPMT students)
16 Arhat Puja (offered by Tibetan Thangka Treasure)
Dode Kelsang 5 times (offered by FPMT students)
The nuns are in the process of reading golden light sutra many timest.
Additionally, daily mantra recitation of Amitayus, White Tara, Hayagriva, during all pujas performed at Kopan Kopan is continuing doing the pujas as recommended by Loche Rinpoche.
Kopan will continue with weekly Medicine Buddha puja, and the nuns with weekly Tara puja.
Lawudo Gompa, Nepal
Every day Medicine Buddha Puja
Idgaa Choinzinling Monastery, Mongolia
All the monks did extensive Medicine Buddha puja and long life mantras
Eastern Tibet
People in Eastern Tibet area liberated over 100 goats and sheep, three four from each family in that area
Also they are reciting one Billon times Guru Rinpoche mantra
Gen Wangchen
Medicine Buddha puj at Phara Khangtsen
Tsum Rachen nuns and Mu monks, Nepal committed to do:
Daily for 1 year - extensive 4 mandala offering Tsitamani Tara puja by 200 over Tsum Sangha.
8 full sets of Nyunye Retreat in Sakadawa both by Tsum sanghas and lay
practitioners from Tsum village.
One million Guru Rinpoche mantra within Sakadawa month by Tsum Sanghas
and Tsum villagers.
Vajra Cutter Sutra, Long life sutra and Long life deity mantra daily
for 1 whole year by Tsum sanghas for 1 year.
Vajrayogini Self initiation and Vajrayogini Long life retreat practices
on 10th & 25th of every month for 1 year.
Sakya College, Dheradhun, India (offered by Dr.Huang, Meida Cheng and students in Taiwan)
Shernyi Do Dok
Recitation of the Prajnaparamita
Namgyal Tse Chok
4 x Mandala Tara x 100
Recitation of the Tsung Du
Protectors Puja (Sungme Khangwa)
Cham Tse Ling, Hong Kong
7 time four mandala Tara puja
7 times Medicine Buddha puja
3 times sixteen Arhant puja
Recitation of Hayagirva Mantras 1,000,0000 times.
liberated 850 sheep and goats and 25 Yaks in Easter Tibet.
Losang Dragpa Center, Malaysia - ongoing practices
Offering Haryagriva 1000 Tsok offering puja
Long Life Guru Puja
1000 offering Medicine Buddha Puja
Several sessions of four mandala offering Tara Pujas
Recitation of Most Secret Hayagriva mantra, recitation of Long life deity mantras, protector pujas, 1000 tsok offering Guru Rinpoche pujas, and many LDC members and students will go in to Long life deity retreat ' Tse Drup'.
Chokyi Gyatsen Center, Malaysia
Offering Hayagriva 1000 Tsog offering puja
Maitripa College, Portland USA
Offering Medicine Buddha Puja each night
Hayagriva Center, Perth, Australia
Liberated 10 x nine month old sheep
The Hari Krishna cooks who were cooking for the retreat at Atisha Center in Bendigo upon hearing of Rinpoches stroke orgaznied a puja dedicated to Rinpoche, as they said their teacher had once had a stroke and they had done this puja and he had recovered.
Sai Baba students were requested to recite Medicine Buddha mantra and made prayers for Lama Zopa Rinpoche, also offered a whole day Medicine Buddha and Ksitigarbha prayers.
The Pastor at St John of God Hospital in Bendigo led a prayer session for Lama Zopa Rinpoche.
Young people in Amsterdam between the ages of 18 and 23 who were born to Dutch dharma parents gathered from the far south, the east and the north of our country to liberate about a thousand worms by taking them around Guru Shakyamuni Buddha, and other deities, a stupa, Liberation in the Palm of Your Hands and offerings, reciting different mantras.
Amitabha Buddha Center, Singapore and Fred Cheong
Liberating 15 million lives
Liberated 180 Baramundi fishes
Liberated 80,000 other animals
Tibetan Association of Northern California, USA
Extensive Medicine Buddha puja and Tsog
Sera Je Secondary School
The School children numbering around 680 and staff congregated and offered prayers of Dolma, Sherab Ningpo, appreciation of Dieties and others.
Sangha at Kachoe Dechen Ling and Buddha Amitbha Pure Land - ongoing
Daily Medicine Buddha puja, sometimes up to 3 x Medicine Buddha Pujas a day
12 inch Medicine Buddha tsa tsa is being made every day
Bigu Nuns, Nepal
70 Nuns offering Tara Puja every day
White Umbrella and Tara puja
Kangso for a full day
Retreaters at Atisha Center, Bendigo, Australia
110,000 x Vajra Armor mantra
Extensive Medicine Buddha puja every 2nd day
Tara Puja every alternative day
All night Tara puja
All night sutra recitation (Golden Light Sutra, Vajra Cutter Sutra and Sangatasutra)
Nalanda Monastery, France
Namgyalma Tong Chu - with extensive offerings, offering 1000 offerings of each, each monk reciting 1000 x long Namgyalma mantra
Tibet - offered by Sangye
Prayers at Sera, Gaden and Drepung in Tibet
Offered gold for whole body of Jowo Shakyamuni, Lhasa, Tibet
Offered robes of Jowo Shakyamuni, Lhasa, Tibet
Offered golden light in front of Jowo Shakamuni, Lhasa, Tibet
Offered prayer flags in hill area of Lhasa
Kopan House, Sera Je Monastery, India
Extensive Medicine Buddha Puja
Three Long-life Deities Mantra recitation
Invocation to Guru Rinpoche for the Immediate Clearing of Obstacles
Tsangpa Khangtsen, India
1000 x Medicine Buddha Puja, by all the monks of Tsangpa Khangtsen
Namgyal Tsechok ( Long Life) Prayer
Maratika Amitayus Long Life Cave, Nepal
Maratika Lama is offering prayers and light offerings at Maratika Amitayus Long Life Cave for Rinpoche's long life
Chenrezig Nuns, Australia
Daily Medicine Buddha puja
Boudhanath Stupa, Nepal (offered by Ven.Jamyang Wangmo, Elea, Josh, Marie, Michel Henry and family, Nicole Perrin and Michelle Maviel)
Offered full whitewash, clothes and tsog at the Boudha stupa
Land of Medicine Buddha, CA, USA
Tara Puja once a week - ongoing
Extensive Medicine Buddha once a week- ongoing
Langri Tangpa Center, Brisbane, Australia
Medicine Buddha mantras – 243 malas
Manis – 6 malas
Long amitayus mantra – 26 malas
White tara mantras – 100 malas
Vajrasattva – 20 malas
21 Tara Praises – 143
Nyung-Ne retreat – 2
Medicine Buddha sadhana – 32 x
2 x Medicine Buddha puja – 29 attendees and 36 attendees
Tara Puja – 56 attendees over 3 pujas
White tara sadhana – 11 x
Vajrasattva sadhana – 12 x
50 Tara praises offered by the Armidale community
21 Tara Praises x 30
Adviced by Geshe Ngawang Drakpa - offered by Lillian Too
Offer paint to Boudanath stupa, Nepal
Offer gold to the face of Bodh Gaya Buddha, India
Offer gold to the face of Jowo statue, Tibet
100 x Sixty four torma offering Kalarupa (Drukchuma) offered by Kopan Sangha
Center Jampa Ling, Mongolia
Medicine Buddha mantra-6537
Longevity Buddha mantra-6684
Tara mantra-6537
Hayagriva mantra-6537
Recitation of mantra to increase-6537
Tara-180 (Ichinnorov- an individual recited at home)
Longevity Buddha mantra-147 (Ichinnorov- an individual recited at home)
Manjushri Lineage Buddha Dharma Centre, USA
Liberated 1.9 million animals dedicated for Rinpoche's long life
Institut Vajra Yogini, France
14 x Sangye Menla (Medicine Buddha) pujas
3 full days of intensive Sangye Menla practise
12 x Cittamani Tara pujas
One Tara night
One animal liberation practise (worms and crickets)
Sponsoring of 1 million animals to be liberated in Singapore
One Vajra Yogini self-initiation + 2 x 250 tsoks offerings to Vajra Yogini
4 Nyung-Nais
Extensive water offerings in the main gompa everyday
Recitation of Hayagriva, Sangye Menla and White Tara mantras at the end of each puja
Full whitening of the Kadampa stupa
Instituto Lama Tsong Khapa, Italy
Extensive offerings in front of throne
Every Day Medicine Buddha puja (till 2nd May) plus and additional 2 more pujas
30 minutes of prayers everyday during Master Program study (Hayagriva short praise with mantra, long Amitayus mantra (from the "Long Life Sutra") and the short praise to Tara (equalising the qualities of the 21 praises).
Gyuto Tantric College, South India (sponsored by Robin Quinn and the Quinn-Watson Family)
Medicine Buddha Puja
Cittamani Tara and 4 Mandala Offering Puja
Hayagriva Puja
Gyuto Tantric College, Mcleod Ganj, India (sponsored by Robin Quinn and the Quinn-Watson Family)
2 x Medicine Buddha Pujas
Tharlam Monastery in Yunnan, China (sponsored by Robin Quinn and the Quinn-Watson Family)
Medicine Buddha puja and mantras
Geshe Dawa and Lab Rinpoche and Tashi Choling Buddhist Institute Students in Sydney, Australia
2 x Medicine Buddha puja
Enlightenment for the Dear Animals in partnership with MAITRI Charitable Trust
Liberated 10 goats
VTK Ong
100,008 Green Tara mantra
140 rounds of 21 Tara praises
Longku Center, Switzerland
More than 58 Medicine Buddha pujas
Thich An Thanh, in prison in Arizona, USA
3,000 White Tara mantras
3, 000 Amitayus mantras
3, 000 Medicine Buddha mantras
Daily Medicine Buddha sadhana practic
Elena D
10,000 Mitrugpa's mantra recitations
Sheldon G. and Charmaine H.
Made 1020 tsa tsas (Stupas, Migrukpas, Green Taras, and Long Life Deities) and 200 water tsa tsas
Ven.Nyima has pledged:
100,000 White Tara mantras
100,000 Hayagriva mantras
1000 Long Namgyalma mantras
1000 Tse Do – Long life Sutras
21 times the “Eight thousand Prajnaparamita Sutra
Peter Islie
Offered White Tara long life thanka painted in one day on the Tibetan 8th.
One Green Tara thanka painted in one day on Tibetan 8th.
Yu Ying
Took 8 Mahayana Precepts for life
William Williamson, in prison in IL, USA
1. 2 days after he heard of stroke he stopped eating meat for life
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That is quite a long list, and I do retract back my word cheap from my statement, but what I do feel very sad about it was how little the students are doing. The word was to emphasize my frustration on this matter. Most of these things, when read, are only done by monastics, and only a handful of close students have been sponsoring and the like. What are the rest of the students doing? why is it that nobody even visited Lama Zopa? Is this how they treat their Guru these days? The names of the students who actually offered things and practices up is so little compared to the students who have taken refuge with Lama Zopa. The life of the Lama depends on the collective karma of the students...(I wish i was wrong with this tho) so if only 1% do the work and 99% of them dont do a thing...will it work?
I do rejoice at some of the offerings done dedicated to his recovery very much and it does make me happy...but I also do know that Lama Zopa has more students than this...and unless a Lama can continue living a long life despite having many students that break their samaya...i dont know, honestly. if a lama has 100 students and only 25 of them keep their samaya intact while the 75 ones engage in politics and acts that destroy and deny their own lineage, what will happen? If out of 100 students only 10 of them send gifts and do the pujas, what is the other 90 doing?
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I respect the Dalai Lama from my heart, but my root guru is Lama Yeshe and he advised us to practice Dorje Shugden and I will do so till the end.
If I must choose between the Dalai Lama and my root guru, Lama Yeshe, then I choose Lama Yeshe. He is the one that cared for me. Patiently taught me the dharma in a down to earth pragmatic level.
Well said! I've seen people running here and there to take initiation and associate themselves with big name lamas, who doesn't even know these monkey minds like their root lamas, and they start to criticize other centres and lamas based on their practically non-existence relationship with these big name lamas. When what they should really do is to follow their root lamas' advice to the heart.
I fold my hands to Yeshe Sangye for speaking up.
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It is a very interesting fact and something to ponder upon.
1. Lama Zopa is recognized, installed and enthroned by Dorje Shugden himself as a Tulku. If Lama Zopa does not believe in DS and think that he is an evil spirit, then why would he ever asked DS to check and recognized him. Even if he quietly consulted DS, he would not openly mention it in his own biography. I just wonder if he did it purposely to show that he is actually practicing DS secretly and waiting for the day that the ban is lifted and then he can pronounce to the world that Lama Zopa is actually a DS practitioner? ?
2. HH Dalai Lama gave a foreword to this biography of Lama Zopa. If he does not support DS, how would he give a foreword to a book that contradict to what he has been saying? I just believe HHDL is doing it in order to leave some traces to the future generation that he is actually respect and practicing DS. His ban to DS is for a big picture, i.e. purposely promote DS to those that do not like HHDL especially to the billions in China.
Therefore, the FPMT students and followers should see the truth behind all the bans. They should not just follow the ban blindly and create dis-harmony and discrimination to the DS practitioners.
HHDL, Lama Zopa and DS practitioners are one big Buddhist family! May the ban be lifted soonest and all can practice DS and live in harmony.
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Well said! I've seen people running here and there to take initiation and associate themselves with big name lamas, who doesn't even know these monkey minds like their root lamas, and they start to criticize other centres and lamas based on their practically non-existence relationship with these big name lamas. When what they should really do is to follow their root lamas' advice to the heart.
I fold my hands to Yeshe Sangye for speaking up.
Hi Spikyeddie! welcome to our forum :)
Some people are very insecure in their practice, so they think that by sticking to a high lama, they are correct and to cover their own lack of practice and results, they criticize other lamas that are more successful. these people often lack severely in Dharma practice themselves and are a bad example for Buddhists everywhere. Do have a check and see!
Here's some food for thought for the FPMT people.
If Dorje Shugden is evil and he recognized Lama Zopa as a tulku, would that invalidate Lama Zopa's tulkuship? How can a 'ghost' recognize valid tulkus? Has anyone heard of Nechung enthroning or recognizing tulkus? I dont think so. If a ghost cannot recognize any valid tulkus, and if Dorje Shugden is a ghost and he recognized Lama Zopa, then it cannot be that Lama Zopa is a high being. Does anyone see the logic here, and how funny it is to see FPMT members not getting the point and basically and indirectly undermining their own founder.
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i truly believe that Lama Zopa rinpoche is installed and verified by DS, there is no reason for lama zopa rinpoche to oppose DS and all related to him unless either he is not recognise by DS or there is a greater plan behind this.....which one is the real fact? only time will tell.
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Well, to have the Protector Dorje Shugden recognizing him and then to have the Dalai Lama also, recognizing him via the foreword is meaningful. If we put 2 and 2 together, then can we conclude that then the Dalai lama also recognize the Protector? Any other conclusion would be too confusing. The matter of fact is that a high Lama is recognize by Shugden and on that basis operates as a high Lama and acknowledge as a high Lama by the Dalai Lama. So, we can conclude that Dorje Shugden is an enlightened Protector.
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It is a very interesting fact and something to ponder upon.
1. Lama Zopa is recognized, installed and enthroned by Dorje Shugden himself as a Tulku. If Lama Zopa does not believe in DS and think that he is an evil spirit, then why would he ever asked DS to check and recognized him. Even if he quietly consulted DS, he would not openly mention it in his own biography. I just wonder if he did it purposely to show that he is actually practicing DS secretly and waiting for the day that the ban is lifted and then he can pronounce to the world that Lama Zopa is actually a DS practitioner? ?
It is for sure that Lama Zopa is a DS lama. He has never said that he does not practice DS personally in a direct way, in fact I dont remember him hinting that, and very skillfully avoided answering that question many times, but visits the previous Trijang Rinpoche's stupa and kopan even attempted to order Dorje Shugden pujas from Phegyeling monastery secretly but it leaked out. Just that the rest of his students prefer to believe otherwise.
2. HH Dalai Lama gave a foreword to this biography of Lama Zopa. If he does not support DS, how would he give a foreword to a book that contradict to what he has been saying? I just believe HHDL is doing it in order to leave some traces to the future generation that he is actually respect and practicing DS. His ban to DS is for a big picture, i.e. purposely promote DS to those that do not like HHDL especially to the billions in China.
HHDL for some reason is not allowed to show his devotion to DS directly and he shows his devotion and his approval discreetly. In many materials including some of his DS articles, he does show that he approves of Dorje Shugden in some way, and always beg people to check his statements on Dorje Shugden, as if he is trying very hard to have people take a hint.
Therefore, the FPMT students and followers should see the truth behind all the bans. They should not just follow the ban blindly and create dis-harmony and discrimination to the DS practitioners.
HHDL, Lama Zopa and DS practitioners are one big Buddhist family! May the ban be lifted soonest and all can practice DS and live in harmony.
The students could have focused more on practicing the Dharma and not talk about Dorje Shugden at all in their centers. The fact that they did not does show us something, does it not? I mean, once you study the Lamrim, there's no time to think about Dorje Shugden and the sorts. It could have been more beneficial for them to focus on study than to focus on getting rid of people who practice Dorje Shugden from the country.
Very interesting observations there, lotus1. People should really look beyond what is on the surface and think deeper before creating more unfortunate circumstances for themselves. In 4 years, FPMT centers around the world would have a huge crisis when the ban is lifted, and they should really change before that happens or they lose credibility.
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if we look at the loooooooooooooong list of pujas done, I think it substantiates who Lama Zopa is and how tremendous he has been effective in preserving the living lineage of Buddhism in the world.
Without doubt FPMT has grown in leaps and bounds under the patronage and direction of Lama Zopa Rinpoche. If we look into one of the causes of FPMT is to sustain and promote the Gaden tradition, there must be something or rather “someone else" behind the picture helping FPMT to grow in such heaps.
The minds of people in today's materialistic world is too hard to be tamed by Buddhas of the past. If Dorje Shugden recognizes this incarnation of the Lama from Lawudo, wouldn't Dorje Shugden be also inclined to assist this incarnation to pursue his efforts in continuing Lama Zopa's works as well?
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if we look at the loooooooooooooong list of pujas done, I think it substantiates who Lama Zopa is and how tremendous he has been effective in preserving the living lineage of Buddhism in the world.
Lama Zopa is still pretty much quiet at the front these days, isnt it? The pujas arent really helping, right? Perhaps they were enough to keep him alive for now, but I dont think so no amount of pujas done can heal and repair broken samaya and its negative effects. It does not seem logical that it works that way. It would be different if the students actually modify their behavior and attitudes and focus more on the teachings rather than on the political side.
Without doubt FPMT has grown in leaps and bounds under the patronage and direction of Lama Zopa Rinpoche. If we look into one of the causes of FPMT is to sustain and promote the Gaden tradition, there must be something or rather “someone else" behind the picture helping FPMT to grow in such heaps.
FPMT grew like mushrooms after the rain during Lama Yeshe's time, and it continued to grew during Lama Zopa's time, but everything came to an abrupt halt when Lama Zopa skillfully told his students to avoid Dorje Shugden out of respect for the Dalai Lama, many of them went overboard and FPMT stagnated almost immediately, yet nobody got the hint and continued to have their crusader complex.
The minds of people in today's materialistic world is too hard to be tamed by Buddhas of the past. If Dorje Shugden recognizes this incarnation of the Lama from Lawudo, wouldn't Dorje Shugden be also inclined to assist this incarnation to pursue his efforts in continuing Lama Zopa's works as well?
Which reminds me another point: If Dorje Shugden is sectarian, why would he recognize a Nyingma lama? It does not make sense at all. If he is sectarian, I dont think he would recognize a Nyingma Lama at all and he would only focus on Gelug tulkus. So what is it with this strange accusation that he is sectarian?
In any case, no matter how we want to see it from any side, Lama Zopa is a great Lama who is more than amazing in every way and a fully enlightened being, but his activities are marred and hampered by political students who could not care less about the Dharma, much less their Lama. On the plus side, FPMT is the spiritual home to many people around the world, and it is better than having no Dharma center at all.
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Lama Zopa does not need Shugden, but Shugden needs Lama Zopa.
With eminent and famous lamas like Lama Zopa 'endorsing' Shugden, it would give Shugden the limelight he so craves or is it his followers crave. But of course they will not endorse Shugden so Shugden people would have to make up a story such as Lama Zopa was ill and needed Shugden pujas.
So of course a unfounded story like this will work itself to the surface from murky waters. I don't think I can believe this story. :(
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Lama Zopa does not need Shugden, but Shugden needs Lama Zopa.
With eminent and famous lamas like Lama Zopa 'endorsing' Shugden, it would give Shugden the limelight he so craves or is it his followers crave. But of course they will not endorse Shugden so Shugden people would have to make up a story such as Lama Zopa was ill and needed Shugden pujas.
So of course a unfounded story like this will work itself to the surface from murky waters. I don't think I can believe this story. :(
I think HHDL and CTA and their following are doing very well in giving Dorje Shugden the limelight for the past few decades. But Lama Zopa does it differently to help students and followers of FPMT to thinking for themselves and not be part of a bandwagon who follows the party which is 'mainstream'.
The Lama's job is to teach the students what to adopt and to abandon. FPMT has grown and so have their followers, it would sound very ridiculous for a parent to direct their child on what to do directly instead of giving them information and proper reasoning to do things. Lama Zopa has been taking a middle view of things recently, encouraging students both old and new to think on this subject.
An unfounded story? I do not think monks and members of the Sangha would dare make such false claims on a Lama's life and well being. A Lama is too precious to be of a joke, it's in our refuge vows not to take this lightly....
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Lama Zopa does not need Shugden, but Shugden needs Lama Zopa.
This did really put a smile to my face because it is clear that Shugden does not need Lama Zopa. Proof? He has a huge statue in China and he is worshipped by so many people around the world despite the ban. And...after Lama Zopa declared that Dorje Shugden was a no-no in FPMT centers, no news of new FPMT centers opening was heard of again and their centers worldwide were quiet. Lama Zopa's Maitreya project has also been silent since.
With eminent and famous lamas like Lama Zopa 'endorsing' Shugden, it would give Shugden the limelight he so craves or is it his followers crave. But of course they will not endorse Shugden so Shugden people would have to make up a story such as Lama Zopa was ill and needed Shugden pujas.
Lol, Dorje Shugden's followers do not need attention as they usually focus on their own Dharma practice as opposed to policing others about their choice of Dharma protectors, which is why in more ways than one they are more advanced than the anti Shugden people. It does not really matter if Lama Zopa endorses Dorje Shugden or not, but what matters is personal growth.
So of course a unfounded story like this will work itself to the surface from murky waters. I don't think I can believe this story. :(
Its okay because many other people will :)
This comment reminds me that there will always be naysayers that will say all kinds of things against Dorje Shugden, but at the end of the day it is results that matter and Dorje Shugden has the results that is concrete: look at how NKT has grown so far and look at FPMT in comparison. I dont think I need to elaborate more on this :)
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For many of us who have practised Dorje Shugden, we all know how the practice can help us to practice much more and to have the wish to bring more benefit to others as well. So I know Lama Zopa knows the benefits of the practice. When Lama Zopa was so ill he went back to make prayers in front of Trijang Dorje Chang's stupa, I mean the illness I attribute it to a broken samaya problem, hence the prayers in front of Trijang Rinpoche's stupa. What other reason can it be?
I can only hope that Lama Zopa knowing the ban will throw many people off the protector practice some of these many lay people would need another place to be hence FPMT serves as the place to study and learn until the ban blows over?
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http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-21/india/35256958_1_maitreya-statue-maitreya-project-buddha (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-21/india/35256958_1_maitreya-statue-maitreya-project-buddha)
Maitreya project: UP's loss is advantage Bihar
LUCKNOW: Its official, the Maitreya project has pulled out of Uttar Pradesh. The Buddha will not be smiling on Bihar's Bodhgaya. However, the plans for Bihar are not as ambitious as they were for UP. In an official announcement, Lama Zopa Rinpoche spiritual director of the Maitreya project, said: "The Maitreya statue will now be built in Bodhgaya, but due to restrictions there, the statue won't be as tall as originally planned (500 feet); now it is going to be 150 feet in height."
According of available literature, seven different places in India are of religious significance to Buddhists. Uttar Pradesh is home to four such places. Sanjashya (Bareilly) where the Buddha descended from the Tushita heaven is the first while Sarnath near Varanasi, site of the deer park where Buddha began teaching the Buddhist spiritual path is the second one. The eastern district of Shravasti is the place where Buddha spent 25 rainy seasons and performed many miracles is the third spot. Kushinagar, where Buddha gave his last sermon and attained salvation is the fourth destination.
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The three other destinations are in the neighboring state of Bihar, including: Bodhgaya (the site of Buddhist enlightment), Rajgir (where the heart sutra was expounded at Vulture's Peak) and Nalanda (the centre of Buddhist learning). "Maitreya is the Buddha of the future who, will teach the path of loving kindness and the place where he attained enlightment is good for spreading the message of Maitreya," said a local buddhist resident.
The maitreya project team was disheartened by the way subsequent governments in Uttar Pradesh and officials lingered on with their dream. "For the past nine years we have worked hard with Uttar Pradesh state government to locate the project in Kushinagar but because of very difficult issues regarding land acquisition, with the approval of His Holiness the Dalai Lama we have now decided to build the Maitreya statue in Bodhgaya," he said.
Rinpoche confirmed that Peter Kedge, cheif executive officer of the project, has been removed and Nita Ing has replaced him. "Peter also worked for many years in India, bearing many hardships and experiencing problems and difficulties there. The key difficulty, however, has been acquiring sufficient land together in one parcel. There have also been other significant setbacks, such as major donors being unable to fulfill their commitments through difficult economic conditions and untimely death," said the official website of the project.
He hope that the project would take off in Bihar for the larger interest of the people.
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FPMT has so much resources at their disposal yet they face such a torrid time in getting their project off the ground what kind of karma can create such obstacles? The broken samaya between Lama Zopa, FPMT with Dorje Shugden and Lama Yeshe, Zong Dorje Chang is creating huge obstacles for the growth of FPMT to the next level. It is illogical so many members and centers and sponsors and they can't get the project going?
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[url]http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-21/india/35256958_1_maitreya-statue-maitreya-project-buddha[/url] ([url]http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-21/india/35256958_1_maitreya-statue-maitreya-project-buddha[/url])
Maitreya project: UP's loss is advantage Bihar
LUCKNOW: Its official, the Maitreya project has pulled out of Uttar Pradesh. The Buddha will not be smiling on Bihar's Bodhgaya. However, the plans for Bihar are not as ambitious as they were for UP. In an official announcement, Lama Zopa Rinpoche spiritual director of the Maitreya project, said: "The Maitreya statue will now be built in Bodhgaya, but due to restrictions there, the statue won't be as tall as originally planned (500 feet); now it is going to be 150 feet in height."
According of available literature, seven different places in India are of religious significance to Buddhists. Uttar Pradesh is home to four such places. Sanjashya (Bareilly) where the Buddha descended from the Tushita heaven is the first while Sarnath near Varanasi, site of the deer park where Buddha began teaching the Buddhist spiritual path is the second one. The eastern district of Shravasti is the place where Buddha spent 25 rainy seasons and performed many miracles is the third spot. Kushinagar, where Buddha gave his last sermon and attained salvation is the fourth destination.
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The three other destinations are in the neighboring state of Bihar, including: Bodhgaya (the site of Buddhist enlightment), Rajgir (where the heart sutra was expounded at Vulture's Peak) and Nalanda (the centre of Buddhist learning). "Maitreya is the Buddha of the future who, will teach the path of loving kindness and the place where he attained enlightment is good for spreading the message of Maitreya," said a local buddhist resident.
The maitreya project team was disheartened by the way subsequent governments in Uttar Pradesh and officials lingered on with their dream. "For the past nine years we have worked hard with Uttar Pradesh state government to locate the project in Kushinagar but because of very difficult issues regarding land acquisition, with the approval of His Holiness the Dalai Lama we have now decided to build the Maitreya statue in Bodhgaya," he said.
Rinpoche confirmed that Peter Kedge, cheif executive officer of the project, has been removed and Nita Ing has replaced him. "Peter also worked for many years in India, bearing many hardships and experiencing problems and difficulties there. The key difficulty, however, has been acquiring sufficient land together in one parcel. There have also been other significant setbacks, such as major donors being unable to fulfill their commitments through difficult economic conditions and untimely death," said the official website of the project.
He hope that the project would take off in Bihar for the larger interest of the people.
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FPMT has so much resources at their disposal yet they face such a torrid time in getting their project off the ground what kind of karma can create such obstacles? The broken samaya between Lama Zopa, FPMT with Dorje Shugden and Lama Yeshe, Zong Dorje Chang is creating huge obstacles for the growth of FPMT to the next level. It is illogical so many members and centers and sponsors and they can't get the project going?
Oh my. This is sad indeed. What happened to the project? It's been at least 10-20 years since the Maitreya project was first introduced. Aside from raising funds worldwide with an exhibition of Buddhist relics tour, and I also had a chance to visit it when it was in my country but for some reason I never really got to see the Maitreya statue. their website is also not updated since 2009. It would be quite sad because the number of people that this project can benefit is immense. But at least this is a sign that this project is well and alive. I believe that FPMT centers around the world should focus on raising funds for the Maitreya project rather than engage in silly games of politcking and being the 'correct' Dharma center for everyone to go to.
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FPMT is the correct dharma centre for everyone to visit. They teach the pure lineage of Tsongkapa and have the blessings of HHDL.
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FPMT is the correct dharma centre for everyone to visit. They teach the pure lineage of Tsongkapa and have the blessings of HHDL.
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Yeah but why has the Maitriya project been delayed for more than 20 years now? Why is it that FPMT centers have little or no news about their activities and their websites barely updated? Why are there no news of new FPMT centers around the world opening now? Ever since Lama Yeshe's passing, FPMT's activities have slowed down tremendously. I wonder why? If they teach the pure lineage of Tsongkhapa but does not make a connection to the pure lineage Gurus such as Trijang Rinpoche or Pabongkha Rinpoche, is the lineage that they teach is still pure, or is it merely a Dharma studies class that gives dry Dharma knowledge with no blessings?
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Aside from what Ensapa pointed out about the Maitreya project etc, I think the singularly biggest telling sign that something is wrong is that Lama Yeshe's incarnation, Lama Osel, has not stepped up into Lama Yeshe's shoes to be the successor of the organisation he founded - FPMT.
That Lama Osel is Lama Yeshe's incarnation is indisputable. Lama Osel's interest in Dharma and his closeness to Lama Zopa throughout the years is proof that he is who he is. However, i believe that as long as there is the ban on Dorje Shugden at FPMT, Lama Osel will not step in officially. This is regardless of whether Lama Zopa is secretly practising, because if the rule of the organisation is anti-Dorje Shugden, which is against the heart practice of its founder, Lama Yeshe, then the karma of the organisation will remain thus so.
Lama Zopa is not getting any younger and i hope that FPMT will quickly act to address this issue. The first step would be to remove the ridiculous requirement that Dorje Shugden practitioners are not allowed to join FPMT activities. The organisation need not immediately start the practice out of respect to HH the Dalai Lama, as Lama Zopa has stated, but the very least FPMT can do is that they quietly remove restrictions on Dorje Shugden practitioners, don't you think?
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Aside from what Ensapa pointed out about the Maitreya project etc, I think the singularly biggest telling sign that something is wrong is that Lama Yeshe's incarnation, Lama Osel, has not stepped up into Lama Yeshe's shoes to be the successor of the organisation he founded - FPMT.
That Lama Osel is Lama Yeshe's incarnation is indisputable. Lama Osel's interest in Dharma and his closeness to Lama Zopa throughout the years is proof that he is who he is. However, i believe that as long as there is the ban on Dorje Shugden at FPMT, Lama Osel will not step in officially. This is regardless of whether Lama Zopa is secretly practising, because if the rule of the organisation is anti-Dorje Shugden, which is against the heart practice of its founder, Lama Yeshe, then the karma of the organisation will remain thus so.
Lama Zopa is not getting any younger and i hope that FPMT will quickly act to address this issue. The first step would be to remove the ridiculous requirement that Dorje Shugden practitioners are not allowed to join FPMT activities. The organisation need not immediately start the practice out of respect to HH the Dalai Lama, as Lama Zopa has stated, but the very least FPMT can do is that they quietly remove restrictions on Dorje Shugden practitioners, don't you think?
To me the main reason why Lama Osel distanced himself from FPMT or not manifest as a Lama to teach them is because the members of FPMT has been upholding the ban with the wrong methods and intentions. Lama Zopa has made it very clear for all to see why he has to uphold the ban and the way he said it was very gentle and kind that is a request for Dorje Shugden practitioners to not participate in his centers' activities out of respect for the Dalai Lama's wishes. The members of FPMT however, saw this as an opportunity to make Dorje Shugden look like satan and got involve in lots of political games and have been hurting people who dont know anything about Dorje Shugden who step into FPMT. Why cant they just post what Lama Zopa had said verbatim instead of hurting others? Since when a Dharma center's duty is to hurt others?
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Reading the article again I feel the writer is making a plea to the people in FPMT. Remember your roots. Remember where you came from, how it all started through Lama Yeshe through huge Dorje Shugden pujas in Kopan.
In Vajrayana we all rely on the kindness of our teachers and the teachers who came before then and so forth.
Can teachers make mistakes, yes that is possible. But our duty is not to point out guru or practices are right or wrong our duty is to practice the dharma. And if the practice benefit, why not continue make a stand practice as to what we think is correct and beneficial.
But when there is overwhelming evidence that suggests otherwise from Dorje Shugden saving the Dalai Lama's life, till the HHDL allowing Trijang Rinpoche to practice Dorje Shugden still making this exception, so many things do not add up. Banning or witch hunting Dorje Shugden practitioners does not seem to be the right away at all.
I like to relate it science if a discovery is made earlier and from there a hypothesis is done based on incorrect information or knowledge, all subsequent findings based on the original findings are flawed. If Lama Zopa did get degenerated teachings from Lama Yeshe then Lama Zopa has to get all teachings and initiation from a Gelug lama pure and untainted that never practiced Dorje Sohugden before. A contaminated pot is poisonous no matter what good food and delicious food we put inside.
There are none I think within the Gelug tradition who have not received nectar like teachings from the likes of
Pabongka Dorje Chang, Trijang Dorje Chang, Zong Dorje Chang et etc all of who have relied on Dorje Shugden for the longest time.
Then only the unthinkable is left on the table.
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Reading the article again I feel the writer is making a plea to the people in FPMT. Remember your roots. Remember where you came from, how it all started through Lama Yeshe through huge Dorje Shugden pujas in Kopan.
In Vajrayana we all rely on the kindness of our teachers and the teachers who came before then and so forth.
Can teachers make mistakes, yes that is possible. But our duty is not to point out guru or practices are right or wrong our duty is to practice the dharma. And if the practice benefit, why not continue make a stand practice as to what we think is correct and beneficial.
But when there is overwhelming evidence that suggests otherwise from Dorje Shugden saving the Dalai Lama's life, till the HHDL allowing Trijang Rinpoche to practice Dorje Shugden still making this exception, so many things do not add up. Banning or witch hunting Dorje Shugden practitioners does not seem to be the right away at all.
I like to relate it science if a discovery is made earlier and from there a hypothesis is done based on incorrect information or knowledge, all subsequent findings based on the original findings are flawed. If Lama Zopa did get degenerated teachings from Lama Yeshe then Lama Zopa has to get all teachings and initiation from a Gelug lama pure and untainted that never practiced Dorje Sohugden before. A contaminated pot is poisonous no matter what good food and delicious food we put inside.
There are none I think within the Gelug tradition who have not received nectar like teachings from the likes of
Pabongka Dorje Chang, Trijang Dorje Chang, Zong Dorje Chang et etc all of who have relied on Dorje Shugden for the longest time.
Then only the unthinkable is left on the table.
I dont really believe that teachers make deliberate mistakes. They may appear to make mistakes because our perception of them is not pure. In other words, the very reason for their mistakes is our negative karma for causing us to perceive it as so. If we perceive the 'mistakes' as actions that they have done to kindly remind us that we are going the wrong way, we would be able to receive the blessings from the lineage Gurus. In the case of FPMT, they cut short their blessings by cutting off Pabongkha Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche and denying Dorje Shugden. No doubt that Lama Zopa is not wrong to not allow Dorje Shugden in his center, but it is the mistake of the students who choose to interpret their lama's instructions the way that they want as opposed to as it is.
Lama Zopa is quite senior in age but he still has to do with naughty students, especially those who run FPMT branches around the world. I have heard of a story from a friend in Malaysia where Lama Zopa visited it with the main purpose of removing both the president and the resident Geshe with another Geshe of the malaysian chapter of FPMT (the visit was not exactly announced and it seemed impromptu and according to my friend, he gave a Dharma talk and left quietly) after he found out that they were involved in political battles with other centers. The president was no longer allowed to participate in any position and all materials regarding her was removed from FPMT. Can you imagine making an old Lama fly all the way to a country in the tropical region just to manage these problems? Yes. Make your Lama work harder by not applying the teachings. It extends his life.
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Reading this article and the controversies within such a huge organisation like FPMT, shows how degenerated these self professed Buddhists are.
FPMT is indeed a great Buddhist centre with many chapters all over the world and yet the very principal practice of its founder, Lama Yeshe is discarded. How sad can that be. The truth about Lama Zopa and Lama Osel and the murkiness which we see will only be realised once the Ban is lifted.
May the suffering be stopped.