Author Topic: Dalai Lama against Phelgyeling, a Dorjeshugden seat created by Fifth Dalai Lama  (Read 8587 times)

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We had not forgotten Phelgyeling, please transmit this post to Tashi. It's an old one, from May 2008, so that's maybe why he had not seen it. I think there are others. I'll look for them.
@ The readers: Tashi complained some days ago that this website had forgotten Phelgyeling Monastery, a great Protector's monastery, and that the Nepal devotees were sad about it. That is why we are bringing up this post again. Please be aware that the situation it mentions happened last year, so the call for action is no longer valid today. I gather that a couple of people left the Phelgyeling following the TGIE's call, but today the venerable monks are apparently in good shape.
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Ursula Bernis, PhD, interviewed a great number of Tibetans in the year 1997. Among them were the monks of Phelgyeling Monastery, whose predecessors received the transmission of the Wisdom Buddha Protector Deity Dorje Shugden from the Fifth Dalai Lama, along with a statue for them to venerate it.
As you will see, these monks were harassed quite cruelly already in 1996/97.
Two days ago the Society alerted us that Rinchen Dharlo, an official for the Dalai Lama that lives in New York, is travelling all the way from America to Nepal to meet there with a minister of the Tibetan government in exile. The objective of this encounter is to round up the people from Nyanang, organize them and send them against the Phelgyeling monks, to force them to once and for all give up the practice of the Protector, that they have been doing for centuries.
This is a direct attack on their human rights on one hand, and a meticulously planned heavy wrong action against the Sangha. This sacrilege is being committed by the Dalai Lama while he preaches to the world that one should respect and tolerate other people's religion. The world showers upon him praise ignoring his unlawful actions. No doubt this world is the external abode of samsaric mind, its projection.
What can we do beyond changing our own minds internally to influence that samsaric mandala?
  In this particular case and other specific ones we should write to the local authorities, particularly the local police, to physically protect the monks.
Otherwise, the only thing we can do is to go on alerting the world about the Dalai Lama's actions, time and again, time and again, until a significant number of independent thinking characters with a voice in the media understand.




 

FROM URSULA BERNIS' BOOK

 Phelgyeling Monastery now in Kathmandu, Nepal, was originally located in Nyanang, Tibet, not far from the Nepali border. It has a statue of Dharmapala Dorje Shugden made by the Fifth Dalai Lama himself, who converted the monastery from Kagyu to Gelugpa in 1665. The monks showed it to me. It is a revered treasure object, about twelve to sixteen inches high with only the face visible since, like many Buddhist statues, it is covered in brocade and kept in a glass covered container high up on a shelf. A young, English-speaking monk showed me around the small monastery, and the older monks he introduced me to contributed to the following history of the monastery. Kathmandu, November 10-12, 1997:

Since Nyanang was so close to the border, we were able to save many of our holy objects across the border to Nepal.  At first sixteen monks had escaped from Tibet. They were dispersed in Kathmandu valley and we could not meet regularly at first. In 1970, we finally gathered enough support and with the help of Tsenshab Serkong Rinpoche we were able to establish Phelgyeling at the foot of the Swayambhu mount. The area has been one of the most holy places in the Himalayas since ancient times and is believed to belong to Manjushri. On top is a huge stupa and on one side is the entrance to the underground lake where the nagas live and from where Manjushri brought the Prajna Paramita sutras. Phelgyeling had a hundred seventy monks before 1959 in Tibet. Now, out of eighty monks about twenty-five are children. We try to bring them up in the Buddhist way since we Tibetans are trying to preserve our heritage. There are plenty of schools in Kathmandu from which parents can choose to educate their children. Many want their children to grow up in the traditions of knowledge we have cherished in Tibet for hundreds of years.

Geshe Thardö, the abbot of Phelgyeling: I have been a monk for fifty years and came to Phelgyeling when I was seven years old. Serkong Tsenshab Rinpoche was my Guru whom I served for several years. Serkong Tsenshab Rinpoche established the monthly schedule of rituals and prayers for the monastery. [He shows me the schedule and explains,] the first day of the month we perform the rituals of the Sixteen Arhats, the second day Dorje Shugden and Palden Lhamo, and so on. In 1966, Serkong Rinpoche advised us to perform Dorje Shugden’s monthly fulfillment ritual (Tib. bskang.gso). Before that, we were only doing the ritual of requesting activities. Serkong Tsenshab Rinpoche came to the monastery for the last time in 1978. At the time he was a religious counsel (Tsenshab) to His Holiness and had taken up the anti-Dorje Shugden “advice.”  The young incarnation visited Phelgyeling twice, once before the more intense 1996 ban and once after.

He says that before the ban many people came to pray at the very special Dorje Shugden statue constructed by the Fifth Dalai Lama himself. The monastery today still uses the four exhortation verses (Tib. ‘phrin.bskul) composed by the Fifth Dalai Lama to Dorje Shugden  and the rituals composed by Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche. In early 1996, Dharamsala informed its government representatives, the Women’s Association, and the Tibetan Youth Congress to tell people not to go to Phelgyeling Monastery anymore because they rely on Dorje Shugden and are against the Dalai Lama. In May 1996 seven representatives of those organizations came to the monastery and asked to talk to the older monks. About six or seven older monks met with them in the kitchen. The representatives said that if the monastery continued to rely on Dorje Shugden, there would be problems with Tibetan politics and no freedom for Tibet. They also said that the Dalai Lama would die if Phelgyeling continued the practice.

Q: What was the exact exchange of words?

A: The representatives asked whether we relied on Dorje Shugden. The monks said yes, we did, but not just since we came out of Tibet. We have relied on him since the time of the Fifth Dalai Lama when the monastery was established.

The representatives told the monks that relying on Dorje Shugden is against our freedom and harmful for the Dalai Lama’s life. They told us to listen to the Dalai Lama. He said he had checked many times and found it is bad for Tibetan freedom.

The monks asked in return, if we stopped Dorje Shugden practice, when would we get freedom? If we got freedom, we would stop the practice but we would like to know when. The monks said there is no reason why Dorje Shugden practice would be bad for freedom. Dorje Shugden promised to help the Tibetan government; this is written in the fulfillment ritual. And it could not harm the Dalai Lama’s life, since he is Avalokiteshvara. Dorje Shugden is a protector of Buddhism, there is no way he can possibly harm.

One Geshe told the representatives that he wanted to sign something that says if we continue to practice Dorje Shugden, this is not bad for the Dalai Lama. He said, we did so many long-life rituals and prayers for the Dalai Lama and he promised to stay until he is at least eighty years old, so there is no need to worry about the Dalai Lama’s life being affected by our religious practice.

Some of the representatives in the group said that Dorje Shugden destroys the [fulfillment of the] Dalai Lama’s wishes. Not all within the group agreed. The monks told them that the Thirteenth Dalai Lama, Thubten Gyatso, gave many predictions concerning the future of Tibet. He knew exactly when he would pass away and wrote it down. He does not mention anywhere [in his autobiography, for example] that there would be any harm coming from Dorje Shugden in the future or anything at all negative about this protector. In the Shakabpa text,  it is mentioned that the Thirteenth Dalai Lama is a disciple of the previous Tomo Geshe Rinpoche. His Dorje Shugden oracle recommended to renovate the Potala and Ganden stupa. He said this would be good for the Dalai Lama’s life’s work.

The representative of the Tibetan government asked if there was a Dorje Shugden statue in the monastery. The monks told him, “Yes, but it was made by the Fifth Dalai Lama and is a precious holy object (Tib. phyag mtshan) for the monastery.” They asked, “Are you practicing Dorje Shugden? And will all these young monks practice it or will they listen to what the Dalai Lama says?” They told us that the Dalai Lama had said that old monks are like old trees, they don’t easily bend, but the young ones should change. The monks answered that the old ones do the practice and the young ones follow. That is the way a monastery functions, the young ones don’t run it. “If you want to ask them whether or not they will sign the statement promising to give up Dorje Shugden, go right ahead. We have to follow the Gurus, texts, and rituals which we have done from Tibet till now. This is also the wish of His Holiness for each individual to follow his Guru and that each lineage has to study their own texts and preserve its practices. Phelgyeling follows the Fifth Dalai Lama, the texts and studies which we have done until now. This is the Dalai Lama’s wish.”


[The abbot continues:] Thirteen different societies or organizations came to the monastery and I wrote down exactly when they came, how many came, and what they said. They all said, you must stop Dorje Shugden. Many asked if we had any connection to Geshe Kelsang Gyatso. They came and told us we were listed as a member of the SSC (Shugden Supporters Community).  If you do not belong to them, write a letter to the government saying so, they demanded. Since Geshe Kelsang Gyatso is a disciple of Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, we have a spiritual connection. We know he relies on Dorje Shugden. We respect him but we don’t have any direct connection with him or get any money from his organization. Dharamsala sent several letters asking us to denounce Geshela, but we did not.

Even the people from Nyanang, the place we are from originally and our main supporters, came and told us to stop practicing. They asked us to write a letter stating that we no longer practice Dorje Shugden. They said, if you don’t, we will not come to the monastery anymore, support you, or have any connection with you. Every year the people from Nyanang request the monastery to read the whole canon of the Buddha’s words (Kangyur). This is a big event and also brings financial support for the monastery. After the ban, they stopped. The committee members in charge of organizing the yearly reading came and demanded from Phelgyeling again that we stop the practice of Dorje Shugden. They said it is the Dalai Lama’s advice. If you stop, we will have the Kangyur read again and will continue our relationship with you.

We told them that we had listened to the Dalai Lama’s speech and follow his advice. His Holiness is our Guru because we got initiations from him. He who gave us the initiation of Dorje Shugden is also our Guru. Therefore, we cannot stop. We already told all the organizations that came to persuade us, we cannot stop. We know that a religious action has to be done out of one’s own will; it cannot be forced by anyone else.

The committee of the Nyanang organization offered the money they usually spend on having the Kangyur read at Phelgyeling during the time when the Nepalis kill so many animals as sacrifice [Durga Puja] to a Nyingma monastery in the mountains. Every year the Tibetan government sponsors—that is, pays for—rituals in every monastery. This year (1997) the Tibetan government stopped offering rituals at Phelgyeling. Once a year the government makes offerings of a hundred thousand tsog (collection)  at Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche’s monastery. This year they announced, whoever practices Dorje Shugden cannot attend the rituals. Five or six months ago the Tibetan government sent a letter saying that we have to make rituals (Tib. zhabs brtan) for the Dalai Lama. We do Yon tan bod skyong lha gsum ‘phrin bskul every day, we answered. It is not true that we do not follow the Dalai Lama’s advice and wishes. Whenever we have asked the Dorje Shugden oracle, he says to do these rituals and pray for the long life of the Dalai Lama. We always do this.


Q: How do you see the future of the monastery?

A: The Dorje Shugden problem already started at the time of the Fifth Dalai Lama. But then he practiced it and built monasteries for Dorje Shugden. I think it will become like this. In any case, I don’t believe it will get worse.

Q: Why do you practice Dorje Shugden?

A: Very high Gelugpa Lamas practiced this. He is really a reliable protector. Serkong Dorje Chang, Pabongka Rinpoche, Dzemey Rinpoche, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche practiced it. They did not think there was a problem with it. If people don’t believe this, they have to get rid of all the texts by Pabongka and Trijang Rinpoches and stop the whole lineage. We cannot understand the Dalai Lama’s wish. Perhaps it is similar to the injunction in the Buddhist sutras against meat and alcohol, while in Vajrayana, you can use them. Buddha said do and don’t, both.

Q: Why did His Holiness advise against Dorje Shugden practice at this particular time?

A: He gave Tamdin Yangsang initiation. If you practice Dorje Shugden, he said, don’t come. There were many people who rely on Dorje Shugden present at the initiation. We have to know the relation between these two—Tamdin Sangdrub is a Gelugpa mediational deity and Tamdin Yangsang is not Gelugpa, it is Nyingma. It is better not to mix them. If you rely on Dorje Shugden it would be better to receive the Gelugpa Tamdin, rather than the Nyingma as His Holiness was bestowing at the time. It is not that Dorje Shugden wants to harm Nyingmas, as some people have ignorantly said, they simply have different functions. It is the same religion but like making different dishes, they are separate. In Nyanang, the Kagyu and Nyingma monasteries practiced Dorje Shugden and Phelgyeling, our monastery, which is Gelugpa, performed the ritual dance (Tib. ‘chams) of Dorje Trollo, mostly a Nyingma practice. Here in Nepal, Guru Tsengye, from that Nyingma monastery in Nyanang, still relies on Dorje Shugden and I know of a Nyingma Lama in Changmang who relies on all the Gelugpa protectors.

If we wanted initiations from the Dalai Lama and money from the government we would also stop. But we don’t. We have this very precious lineage that comes to us from the Fifth Dalai Lama.


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« Last Edit: October 19, 2009, 04:53:51 AM by a friend »

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Just in case it´s not clear: we are trying to show the previous message, published May/2008, as an answer to Tashi, who said some days ago that we had forgotten Phelgyeling.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2009, 03:11:12 AM by a friend »

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Dear Webmaster,

Both the enthronement pictures/writeup of Dromo Geshe Rinpoche is very important, please can you feature them as a permanent part of this website??

This information on Pelgye Ling is very inspiring. They were harassed so much, yet remain firm. Please post as a permanent feature also?

Thanks.

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Phelgyeling Monastery now featured permanently on

http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=523

So is Kyabje Domo Geshe Rinpoche's enthronement ceremony story:

http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=516

Thanks to everyone for your contributions.

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Thank you Administration!

Thom, I hope you can tell your friend Tashi to alert the practitioners in Nepal.


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Tashi and crew are ecstastic with Team Pride................................. ::)

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I find this article a very interesting piece of evidence that we must all know especially when debating or discussing with some of the Dalai Lama crusaders/fanatics. many people like to accuse Dorje Shugden or Pabongkha Rinpoche as being sectarian on the basis that his students destroyed some Guru Rinpoche statues and thrown them into the river. And on that basis, Dorje Shugden/Pabongkha Rinpoche is said as sectarian. What is even worse is, that is just a rumor and it might not be true as accounts that talk about that will often fail to mention the name of the affected temple, the name of the river the statues were thrown into, the date and the area of where the incident happened, yet everyone takes that story to be real and uses it as an excuse to put down Pabongkha Rinpoche and Dorje Shugden. Now, what do they say about the 5th Dalai Lama converting by force many Nyingma and Kagyu temples? Is that a nonsectarian act? Why is it okay when the Dalai Lama forcibly converts the temple of another lineage into Gelug but it is not okay if some other lamas do it? why the double standard and the blindness to this fact?

It is very clear here that the name of the temple is mentioned and this temple still exists until today. The facts are undisputed. But why is it that the 5th HHDL is not called as sectarian? If the 5th HHDL is sectarian, since the current Dalai Lama claims that he and the 5th Dalai Lams is of the same mindstream, would it not also mean that he is also sectarian? Then why are these people saying that the Dalai Lama is not sectarian? Why zero in on Pabongkha but not on Dalai Lama?

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You have a point there Ensapa. There is so much weight of evidence that the 5th Dalai Lama converted Kagyu monasteries to Gelugpa and it is just some passing information about Je Pabongka converting the Nyingma Monasteries and people just jump on Je Pabongka.

if Nyingma lamas like Penor Rinpoche who is a buddha can open up his monastery to Gelugpa monks who practiced Dorje Shugden that shows Gelugs and Nyingmapas are not sectarian after all. So what is left then, it is people who want to stir and spread rumours for their own benefit. 

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Sincere followers of Dorje Shugden emulate the qualities of the protector himself. Resilience, patience and bravery are some many virtues which are worth noting and celebrating in today's world. If we look into the history of how the ban started and how these Shugden practitioners endured the sufferings laid down upon them unjustly, we see their true qualities shines forth and it is a proven testament of their practice.

From my little and shallow observation, I see Shugden practitioners have very strong qualities of Guru devotion. It is explained by Jamgon Gyalwa Tsongkhapa himself that the pith of the path is to properly rely on the Spiritual master who is one with the meditational deities and sacred protectors. No matter how much hardship they face, they remain firm like an anvil to their Gurus.

They show patience and alot of forbearance for those who have harmed and maligned them. There can be no doubt about this. We don't find Shugden practitioners throwing sticks and stones onto others to show their unhappiness of the condition. In fact, they remain silent and patient, waiting for the time when the truth will prevail.

The tenacity of Shugden monasteries are really amazing. Having not 'fit' into the other camp, they create situations and support groups for their own by separating and building a monastery of their own from scratch. This is definitely possible also because of the protector's help but if their motivation was wrong, it wouldn't have manifested anyway.

Phlgyeling was no different and in keeping with their vows and commitments to their guru, they continue to preserve the lineage and now make it flourish forever more.
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:)

http://nyanangphelgyeling.org/


Wow. it's really amazing that this monastery is so well kept despite the ban and despite everything else. They have so many rare and ancient Buddhist treasures and this temple is very blessed indeed. Not only that, they have received so many important Lineage Lamas such as Pabongkha Choktrul Dorje Chang and the previous Zong Rinpoche. This is such a blessed monastery indeed, and the best thing of all is that it is way out of reach of the CTA's damaging paws.

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In Phelgyeling is where the Dorje Shugden statue that was made by the 14th Dalai Lama's predecessor so asking the monastery to not practice Dorje Shugden does not make any sense whatsoever. The mind oif the 14th Dalai Lama is no different from the mind of the great fifth Dalai Lama, why would the 14th Dalaia Lama do actions that is not consistent to what his predecessor has done in the past? Which is yet another inconsistency which so prevalently plagues this ban.

There is nothing consistent ever about this ban, wish the Tibetans and all those who oppose Dorje Shugden can see that for at least one moment.   

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In Phelgyeling is where the Dorje Shugden statue that was made by the 14th Dalai Lama's predecessor so asking the monastery to not practice Dorje Shugden does not make any sense whatsoever. The mind oif the 14th Dalai Lama is no different from the mind of the great fifth Dalai Lama, why would the 14th Dalaia Lama do actions that is not consistent to what his predecessor has done in the past? Which is yet another inconsistency which so prevalently plagues this ban.

There is nothing consistent ever about this ban, wish the Tibetans and all those who oppose Dorje Shugden can see that for at least one moment.

It's in history that the 5th Dalai Lama first mistook Dorje Shugden as an evil spirit and even wrote an extremely vicious and biting prayer against Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen, but then wrote a praise and liturgy to Dorje Shugden and even made a statue by his own hands. So, what is stopping the 14th Dalai Lama from overturning the ban and then apologizing to Dorje Shugden later? Why is it that so many people out there are unable to see that everything is impermanent and that they should not act as if they are and then regret the decision later and have enough regret to last them a lifetime when that happens?

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I was talking to a friend on the subject of the ban on Dorje Shugden by the CTA and Dalai Lama.  He is a Theravaden Buddhist and I was shocked that he knew so much about the Ban.

He mentioned that when Dorje Shugden first manifested was during the reign of the 5 Dalai Lama who resisted the manifestation of DS but later realised His mistake and gave great reverence to DS and personally engraved a statute of DS.

The next realisation from my friend was that the 5 and 14 Dalai Lama both have the same issue.  True to what my friend summed up and with great hope in my mind, may the 14 Dalai Lama have same realisation as the 5 Dalai Lama and lift the Ban.

This article gives a good historical background on above issue.

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It is very touching to hear that the monks of Phelgyeling do not give up their practice just because afraid of the pressure that the Dalai Lama gave. They showed the real Guru-disciple relationship and maintained the loyalty towards the 5th Dalai Lama. Even when the 5th Dalai Lama passed away.

Thanks for sharing this article